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Title: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Jeff on July 14, 2021, 06:41:13 PM
All caught up on MU.  Time to get caught up on DCUI!

ComiXology Unlimited
Black Hammer: Visions #6
Radiant Black #5
Seven Secrets #10
Stillwater #8
Time Before Time #2
Rorschach #10

DC Universe Infinite
Flash #761
Flash #762
Flash #763
Flash #764
Flash #765
Flash #766
The Batman痴 Grave #8
The Batman痴 Grave #9
The Batman痴 Grave #10
The Batman痴 Grave #11
The Batman痴 Grave #12
Green Lantern 80th Anniversary 100-Page #1
Green Lantern Season Two #5
Green Lantern Season Two #6
Justice League Dark #25
Justice League Dark #26
Justice League Dark #27
Justice League Dark #28
Nightwing #76
Nightwing #77

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Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Jeff on July 15, 2021, 02:54:15 AM
ComiXology Unlimited
Black Hammer: Visions #6
Radiant Black #5
Seven Secrets #10
Stillwater #8
Time Before Time #2
Rorschach #10


DC Universe Infinite
Flash #761
Flash #762
Flash #763
Flash #764
Flash #765
Flash #766
The Batman痴 Grave #8
The Batman痴 Grave #9
The Batman痴 Grave #10
The Batman痴 Grave #11
The Batman痴 Grave #12
Green Lantern 80th Anniversary 100-Page #1
Green Lantern Season Two #5
Green Lantern Season Two #6
Justice League Dark #25
Justice League Dark #26
Justice League Dark #27
Justice League Dark #28
Nightwing #76
Nightwing #77

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Black Hammer: Visions #6 - Ha ha ha!  I liked this issue with Cthu Lou.  Funny tale about a henpecked out of work plumber who needs to save the world.
 
Radiant Black #5 - This has gotten really interesting with the previous issue and this one.  I didn稚 expect the big change and the scope gets bigger with this issue.

Seven Secrets #10 - This comic is back on track.  Plenty of intrigue and I知 getting into the mystery of it all.

Stillwater #8 - Man I知 ready for some comeuppance.  The bad guys are winning an awful lot.  Good trip into the sherif痴 past this issue.

Time Before Time #2 - Oh yeah - more time travel fun.  Things have gotten messed up for our time traveling hero and the FBI agent that messed it up.  Lots of interesting characters in this story and this issue is ramping up the drama.

Rorschach #10 - Finally the pieces are all falling together and explanations are being revealed.  This issues starts linking it all.


Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Gay Titan on July 15, 2021, 10:01:18 AM
Detective Comics #1039
Excalibur #22
Infinite Frontier #2
Mister Miracle #2
Power Rangers Unlimited #1

Back issue bins:
DC Special: Cyborg #3
Hawk & Dove (1989) #1
Hawk & Dove (2011) #1-3
Tempest (1996 mini) #2, 4
Terror Titans (2008 mini) # 1, 2


Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Jeff on July 16, 2021, 03:00:07 AM
ComiXology Unlimited
Black Hammer: Visions #6
Radiant Black #5
Seven Secrets #10
Stillwater #8
Time Before Time #2
Rorschach #10


DC Universe Infinite
Flash #761
Flash #762
Flash #763
Flash #764
Flash #765
Flash #766

The Batman痴 Grave #8
The Batman痴 Grave #9
The Batman痴 Grave #10
The Batman痴 Grave #11
The Batman痴 Grave #12
Green Lantern 80th Anniversary 100-Page #1
Green Lantern Season Two #5
Green Lantern Season Two #6
Justice League Dark #25
Justice League Dark #26
Justice League Dark #27
Justice League Dark #28
Nightwing #76
Nightwing #77

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Flash #761 & 762 - This was the end of Joshua Williamson痴 run on Flash.  Ending with an epic battle with Reverse Flash and including speedsters from all time was a great way to go out.  Hoping the new creative team can maintain the quality starting in #763.

Flash #763-766 - Well.........the new team isn稚 the worst.  It could be just hard to transition to new team when your used to the old one.  But man, Barry does not sound like he痴 supposed to.  And Iris really doesn稚 seem like herself.  The Dr Alchemy arc isn稚 terrible but I can稚 say I enjoyed it either.  But this team seems to have just been here for this story.  I can skip issue 767 since it is part of Endless Winter which I already have read.  Then the next issue gets another new creative team and costars Wally West.  So I値l dive back in after I read Death Metal and see what they do with Wally.




Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Perry on July 16, 2021, 12:42:24 PM
Flash #763-766  [...]  So I値l dive back in after I read Death Metal and see what they do with Wally.

You can skip the next issue (or read it with all the other Endless Winter tie-ins) but you do want to make sure you try #768, the current creative team starts there and ... well, yeah heavy into Wally  ;) (I've been getting updates at the LCS)
 :D

Edit - May as well throw what I have been reading up (better than throwing up what I have been reading) ;D

Fantastic Four #575 (2010)
Fantastic Four #576
Fantastic Four #577
Fantastic Four #578
Fantastic Four #579 - And my re-read of Hickman's FF continues! Mostly just build-up to the main stories, but done so well it doesn't feel like it.

Defenders #22 (1975)
Defenders #23 (1975) - The Defenders battle The Sons of the Serpent, a radical, racist group intent on hurting the poor and/or anyone that has a skin color other than white! Wow, how dated is THIS story? :D All joking aside, this is a pretty brutal story, one that I am surprised I don't remember. People being set on fire and others being crushed to death make this book more adult than I remember it being and one I think I should have remembered. Ah, the old brain is just mush now however  :D
I will also add a couple interesting "inking" notes I have with these two. I do love the cover art by Gil Kane on both of these, but with Joe Sinnott (#22) and Klaus Janson (#23) inking, it doesn't look like the usual Kane, and that is cool. I like the look here. On both. Maybe the Janson work a little more, actually. Its more ..."tight"(?) looking. And oh yeah, number two ... I have heard it before on a couple classic comics podcasts that Vince Colletta killed a lot of Kirby's pencils. People seem to hate him inking the King. Well I kind of understand having witnessed his stuff on issue #23 (the inking by Colletta is ... not to my liking), but man ...  I have to say that Mike Episito's inks on issue #22 were even worse for me. He kills Sal's pencils. Drowns them out so badly. No finesse. 
Last thing I'll say ... this was a good read. I think this is where the book gets rolling!!

(https://i.postimg.cc/hGnxN4Sv/Defenders-Vol-1-22.jpg)  (https://i.postimg.cc/q7GnrfRL/Defenders-Vol-1-23.jpg)


Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Jeff on July 17, 2021, 04:27:38 PM
ComiXology Unlimited
Black Hammer: Visions #6
Radiant Black #5
Seven Secrets #10
Stillwater #8
Time Before Time #2
Rorschach #10


DC Universe Infinite
Flash #761
Flash #762
Flash #763
Flash #764
Flash #765
Flash #766

The Batman痴 Grave #8
The Batman痴 Grave #9
The Batman痴 Grave #10
The Batman痴 Grave #11
The Batman痴 Grave #12

Green Lantern 80th Anniversary 100-Page #1
Green Lantern Season Two #5
Green Lantern Season Two #6
Justice League Dark #25
Justice League Dark #26
Justice League Dark #27
Justice League Dark #28
Nightwing #76
Nightwing #77

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The Batman痴 Grave #8-12 - Bit of an anticlimactic ending.  Story overall was interesting and a fun read but the villain turned out to be a bit of a bore.


Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Jeff on July 17, 2021, 06:54:42 PM
ComiXology Unlimited
Black Hammer: Visions #6
Radiant Black #5
Seven Secrets #10
Stillwater #8
Time Before Time #2
Rorschach #10


DC Universe Infinite
Flash #761
Flash #762
Flash #763
Flash #764
Flash #765
Flash #766

The Batman痴 Grave #8
The Batman痴 Grave #9
The Batman痴 Grave #10
The Batman痴 Grave #11
The Batman痴 Grave #12

Green Lantern 80th Anniversary 100-Page #1
Green Lantern Season Two #5
Green Lantern Season Two #6

Justice League Dark #25
Justice League Dark #26
Justice League Dark #27
Justice League Dark #28
Nightwing #76
Nightwing #77

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Green Lantern 80th Anniversary 100-Page #1 - Good anthology.  Particularly liked the future story with the Earth Green Lanterns sitting around at a bar reminiscing of the old days.  Like all anthologies, some good some bad.  Overall though, I enjoyed the read.
 
Green Lantern Season Two #5-6 - The weirdness is starting to wear on me.  Plus the art isn稚 to my liking.  It痴 like a Jack Kirby want-a-be but not as good.  But since it痴 Morrison痴 last DC work I値l keep going.



Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Perry on July 18, 2021, 01:15:21 PM
Well once again I fall short of my goal and therefor not much to talk about. I wanted to get a lot more reading in yesterday, but my boy Dave came over for our online fantasy football draft (a draft I had no picks in this year :-\) and so many adult beverages were served and my reading was pushed aside. I only have a couple from the night prior ...

Defenders #24 (1975)
Defenders #25 (1975) - Finishing up with the Sons of the Serpent arc with a few guest stars. We had help from Power-Man, Son of Satan, Yellow Jacket and Daredevil. All were helpful in their own way, except for DD. I swear, it seems if you are not reading Daredevil in his own title the writers seem to make him a lot less useful, bordering on straight out useless
 :D
Oh, and spoilers ...
we find out whose been behind the Sons of the Serpent's attacks and funding, and its none other than Nighthawk/Kyle Richmon's (Rich-Man) very own financial advisor; Jean Claude Pennyworth. Ha, Pennyworth? Like Alfred? And oh, wait again ... his name, the initials come out like J. C. Pennys? (that's kind of funny for us older peeps :D). And to top it off, this Serpent Supreme is a black guy. So he was using Nightwings own money to fund the racist gang against his own people! He tells Kyle, after being caught, something along the lines of 'Why is that so strange that a black man can't hate black people, do you like every white man because you are white?'
And Kyle answers with 'Well, no, but I'm not out trying to wipe them all out either'
 :D
Still, I have to say (even though this villain wasn't the best) that I'm really enjoying reading this title since we hit issue #22. Seems like the wheels are starting to roll now.
And next we get the original Guardians of the Galaxy (but I have to read Giant-Size #5 first it seems)  ;D

 ---- Daredevil swinging in to help!! ----                   ---- And the result? ... hahaha ----

(https://i.postimg.cc/26s0pzBX/Defenders-Vol-1-24.jpg)  (https://i.postimg.cc/PrkS25HC/Defenders-Vol-1-25.jpg)

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Fantastic Four #575 (2010)
Fantastic Four #576
Fantastic Four #577
Fantastic Four #578
Fantastic Four #579
Defenders #22 (1975)
Defenders #23 (1975)


Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Jeff on July 18, 2021, 07:50:28 PM
ComiXology Unlimited
Black Hammer: Visions #6
Radiant Black #5
Seven Secrets #10
Stillwater #8
Time Before Time #2
Rorschach #10


DC Universe Infinite
Flash #761
Flash #762
Flash #763
Flash #764
Flash #765
Flash #766

The Batman痴 Grave #8
The Batman痴 Grave #9
The Batman痴 Grave #10
The Batman痴 Grave #11
The Batman痴 Grave #12

Green Lantern 80th Anniversary 100-Page #1
Green Lantern Season Two #5
Green Lantern Season Two #6

Justice League Dark #25
Justice League Dark #26
Justice League Dark #27
Justice League Dark #28

Nightwing #76
Nightwing #77

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Justice League Dark #25-28 - the end of the Upside Down Man story and essentially the end of the series.  I don稚 see any other issues after #29 (the Endless Winter tie-in). Fun romp and while I would like more from this team, I was getting tired of the never ending story arc.  Probably time for a new creative team or a series reboot.


Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Jeff on July 19, 2021, 02:32:04 PM
ComiXology Unlimited
Black Hammer: Visions #6
Radiant Black #5
Seven Secrets #10
Stillwater #8
Time Before Time #2
Rorschach #10


DC Universe Infinite
Flash #761
Flash #762
Flash #763
Flash #764
Flash #765
Flash #766

The Batman痴 Grave #8
The Batman痴 Grave #9
The Batman痴 Grave #10
The Batman痴 Grave #11
The Batman痴 Grave #12

Green Lantern 80th Anniversary 100-Page #1
Green Lantern Season Two #5
Green Lantern Season Two #6

Justice League Dark #25
Justice League Dark #26
Justice League Dark #27
Justice League Dark #28

Nightwing #76
Nightwing #77


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Nightwing #76-77 - Decent end for Dan Juergen痴 run.  Looking forward to the start of Tom King痴 next issue.



Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Jeff on July 19, 2021, 02:41:03 PM
Big drop for MU today.  Adding these to try and catch up on DC mainly.  It痴 ambitious for two days but I could be up for it.

DC Universe Infinite
Batman #103
Batman #104
Batman #105
Batman Annual #5
Punchline #1
Batman/Catwoman #1
The Green Lantern Season Two #7
The Green Lantern Season Two #8
The Green Lantern Season Two #9
The Green Lantern Season Two #10

Marvel Unlimited
DAREDEVIL #29
FANTASTIC FOUR #30
IRON FIST: HEART OF THE DRAGON #4
IRON MAN #8
MAESTRO: WAR AND PAX #4
THOR #14
WOLVERINE #11


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Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Gay Titan on July 19, 2021, 09:19:55 PM
Big drop for MU today.  Adding these to try and catch up on DC mainly.  It痴 ambitious for two days but I could be up for it.

DC Universe Infinite
Batman #103
Batman #104
Batman #105
Batman/Catwoman #1

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Those are really good issues! Bat/Cat is a great series so far.


Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Jeff on July 20, 2021, 02:26:15 AM
DC Universe Infinite
Batman #103
Batman #104
Batman #105
Batman Annual #5
Punchline #1
Batman/Catwoman #1

The Green Lantern Season Two #7
The Green Lantern Season Two #8
The Green Lantern Season Two #9
The Green Lantern Season Two #10

Marvel Unlimited
DAREDEVIL #29
FANTASTIC FOUR #30
IRON FIST: HEART OF THE DRAGON #4
IRON MAN #8
MAESTRO: WAR AND PAX #4
THOR #14
WOLVERINE #11


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Batman #103-105 - Rodney was right.  Very good story.  Love the use of Harley and Clown Hunter in this series. I hope the quality continues when we come back after Future State.

Batman Annual #5 - The origin of Clown Hunter is finally seen.  You can稚 help but feel bad for the boy.  Despite my dislike for the art, the story more than made up for it. 

Punchline #1 - not bad, not great.  Really just a setup issue for whatever is planned for Punchline in the future.

Batman/Catwoman #1 - Well I liked this but I am more than a little confused.  Not surprising at the start of a Tom King book.  I知 definitely intrigued and need to read more of this.


Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Jeff on July 20, 2021, 06:47:59 PM
DC Universe Infinite
Batman #103
Batman #104
Batman #105
Batman Annual #5
Punchline #1
Batman/Catwoman #1

The Green Lantern Season Two #7
The Green Lantern Season Two #8
The Green Lantern Season Two #9
The Green Lantern Season Two #10


Marvel Unlimited
DAREDEVIL #29
FANTASTIC FOUR #30
IRON FIST: HEART OF THE DRAGON #4
IRON MAN #8
MAESTRO: WAR AND PAX #4
THOR #14
WOLVERINE #11


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The Green Lantern Season Two #7-10 - Morrison is so weird and confusing yet somehow his stories make some kind of sense in the end?  Especially confusing with a multiverse ultrawar.  Only two more issues to go.  I think I致e enjoyed this but I do need a break.



Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Jeff on July 21, 2021, 01:22:26 AM
DC Universe Infinite
Batman #103
Batman #104
Batman #105
Batman Annual #5
Punchline #1
Batman/Catwoman #1

The Green Lantern Season Two #7
The Green Lantern Season Two #8
The Green Lantern Season Two #9
The Green Lantern Season Two #10


Marvel Unlimited
DAREDEVIL #29
FANTASTIC FOUR #30
IRON FIST: HEART OF THE DRAGON #4
IRON MAN #8
MAESTRO: WAR AND PAX #4
THOR #14
WOLVERINE #11



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DAREDEVIL #29 - Still a solid read.  I like the Electra Daredevil and her arc is good.  Matt痴 struggles in prison, though expected, are fun to read.  The Mike & Butch mafia stuff, good.  The Wilson Fisk stuff, good also.  Wish I could read more right now!

FANTASTIC FOUR #30 - King in Black tie-in, yuck. Glad it痴 over though I hate that it just said 迭ead King in Black #5 for the ending. Then jumped to days later.  Hopefully the new arc will be good or I値l be out on this book again.

IRON FIST: HEART OF THE DRAGON #4 - I hope next issue is the last as I知 not really enjoying this title.  It痴 too haphazard.  Makes me sad because I like these characters.

IRON MAN #8 - Ah ha! A Hellcat focused issue. I love it.  I like the Patsy Walker stories that include characters from her past.  Would love to see more of this.

MAESTRO: WAR AND PAX #4 - definitely past time for that resolution.  Now for the battle we致e all been hoping for! Doom!

THOR #14 - Wow.  Harsh.  Should I feel sorry for
Donald Blake?  Or did he deserve it?

WOLVERINE #11 - I知 not a fan of vampire stories (Redneck being the exception) but this isn稚 bad.  I like the Omega Red angle and whomever this Louise person is.  I just hope it doesn稚 drag on much longer.


Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Jeff on July 21, 2021, 01:23:30 AM
Woo hoo! I made it!  Just in time for tomorrow痴 new comic Wednesday.


Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Perry on July 21, 2021, 10:58:02 AM
The Green Lantern [...] I think I致e enjoyed this ...

That's how I feel 75% of the time I read Morrison  :D

DAREDEVIL #29 - Still a solid read.

I like Zdarsky, I like DD and hell I liked the first 9 issues of this run, but dang it I just never go back. I have to resolve that soon!

FANTASTIC FOUR #30 - King in Black tie-in, yuck. Glad it痴 over though I hate that it just said 迭ead King in Black #5 for the ending. Then jumped to days later.

I actually flipped through this issue Monday when it hit, just to take a peek inside. Still Slott being Slott. Was totally floored by the "two days later" aspect of it. We've all seen the "... and then, later on" used in comics, but like this? What a total half-assed way to do things (or "Things"  :D).
But yeah, either make the issue a tie-in or don't. Having Johnny and Ben walk out as ... whatever... possessed and then have Ben and Reed sitting, talking at the bar? Stupid. And I hate that Johnnie love thing. Ugh.
I just can't.

IRON FIST: HEART OF THE DRAGON #4 - I hope next issue is the last as I知 not really enjoying this title.  It痴 too haphazard.  Makes me sad because I like these characters.

I was so going to grab this series as I am a fan of Danny (not the Netflix version of course  :D), but saw this was being written by Larry Hama and ... I tend to stay away from the older writers unless I am reading the older stuff. Not saying they CAN'T write to today's manner and ways, but ... lets just say I haven't found too many 'modern' issues I have enjoyed. I think I need my headspace to be in the 70's, 80's or whatever to get into the older writers style vs them coming into my more modern era of expectations. If that makes sense?

IRON MAN #8 - Ah ha! A Hellcat focused issue. I love it.  I like the Patsy Walker stories that include characters from her past.  Would love to see more of this.

I have keep reading this mainly due to Hellcat (really like seeing those B-listers) and this only fortified my feelings. Loved seeing you know who as well, even if he was a mind thing  :)

THOR #14 - Wow.  Harsh.  Should I feel sorry for
Donald Blake?  Or did he deserve it?

Ya know, I remember feeling the same way, a little sorry for the guy. Not sure how I feel about it to this day. I mean on one hand Hells Yeah he deserves it, but, was it his fault he went the way he did?
I do kind of like that I am still not sure though. Leaves the weight right on ya.

WOLVERINE #11 - I知 not a fan of vampire stories (Redneck being the exception) but this isn稚 bad.  I like the Omega Red angle and whomever this Louise person is.  I just hope it doesn稚 drag on much longer.

What happened to Scott Eaton's art? Was this all the inker? I don't think so. I may end my reading of this title with the next issue. I am trying to keep up with Wolverine, THE Wolverine and not X-23 lazy crap, but I am just not enjoying this writing style. I think Percy has finally broke me. Issue #12 needs to be a banger or I am out.
 :-\


Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Jeff on July 21, 2021, 02:01:41 PM
What happened to Scott Eaton's art? Was this all the inker? I don't think so.

I agree it was weird this issue. Not as good.


Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Perry on July 21, 2021, 08:51:53 PM
Crap, forgot to post last weeks last bit of reading

From MU (This Monday - 7/18)

Iron Man #8 - A good Hellcat mental deep dive issue. Liked the look of her ex  :D

Thor #14 - Reread to ease going to Thor on MU. Good finish to the arc. Now the hard part, the wait for the next issue

Black Cat #5 - Digging this Indiana Jones style comic featuring Marvel's female thief. Hope MacKay's MK is as good as this. Okay, hoping for even better for personal reasons  ;)

Wolverine #11 - One more issue of this and I'm gone. I want to keep up with Wolverine, I like him, but I can no longer deal with Percy

Guardians of the Galaxy #13 (#175 Legacy numbering) -"A new age of space starts here!" Well you can have it. I have no idea what I just read. I wanted to like this due to Super Skrull and Ewing taking the title to a new territory, but damn, I'm going to have to read this again to even begin to grasp everything I missed. I loved his Ultimates (especially with what he did with Galactus) and you needed to pay attention to that series to fully grasp things as well, but perhaps Ewing has gone too far or this is too far a departure from what GotG "feels like" for me?


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Defenders #24 (1975)
Defenders #25 (1975)
Fantastic Four #575 (2010)
Fantastic Four #576
Fantastic Four #577
Fantastic Four #578
Fantastic Four #579
Defenders #22 (1975)
Defenders #23 (1975)


Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Jeff on July 21, 2021, 10:32:11 PM
Guardians of the Galaxy #13 (#175 Legacy numbering) -"A new age of space starts here!" Well you can have it. I have no idea what I just read. I wanted to like this due to Super Skrull and Ewing taking the title to a new territory, but damn, I'm going to have to read this again to even begin to grasp everything I missed. I loved his Ultimates (especially with what he did with Galactus) and you needed to pay attention to that series to fully grasp things as well, but perhaps Ewing has gone too far or this is too far a departure from what GotG "feels like" for me?

I gave up on this after issues 6.  Just wasn稚 as good as his Ultimates or Immortal Hulk.


Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Perry on July 21, 2021, 11:46:07 PM
I gave up on this after issues 6.  Just wasn稚 as good as his Ultimates or Immortal Hulk.

Understand, so did I soon after that, but came back to try this one as it was a promoted as a new "direction". And it is. I just felt all kinds of head-scratchy
 :)


Title: Re: Weekly Reader, July 14, 2021
Post by: Jimmy T on July 24, 2021, 01:48:07 PM
I think I"m back on issue 9 of this GotG. I too feel like it's not worth the effort, or it's so far...off from what I expected, and yes, wanted, that it's been a chore to get back to.