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Title: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on September 18, 2019, 07:15:13 AM
Man, I thought we had a Novel section on HR, but I guess not.
 ;D

Hey Jimmy,
I know I have mentioned and asked you Fantasy stuff before, as you are (were) so entrenched in that mode of entertainment, but as I have decided, after watching this guy named Daniel Greene's videos for the past two weeks or so, to give Wheel of Time another go, I thought I would ask you, my fantasy guru  ;D, if you've ever seen any of his Youtube stuff.

Having read the first book of Wheel of Time so long ago, this guy Daniel has gotten me fired up to finish the series. I will have to reread the first one again as it has been about 7 years since my visit with that world, but I am excited to do so. That said, Daniel reminds me of you ... or more specifically, some of the limited conversations on fantasy books and authors you have had with me so long ago here at the Realm ... and as I have soaked up your thoughts and opinions, I would like to know if you feel the same as Daniel Greene does on most of the fantasy stuff out there. He has read, I think, every series that can be read (or so it seems) and would love to compare thoughts between you two.

One reason I think you and Daniel are simpatico is the opinion I think I remember you giving me on Terry Goodkind. I think, if I remember correctly, you are not a fan. I hope that is true or this entire thing goes to crap right out of the gate.
 :D :D
If that is true, then yeah, I think you will enjoy his vids and, perhaps, both of you will help me along the journey of diving into fantasy novels, again.

Anyway, if you hate this guy or just don't have time for watching his vids or giving me your thoughts, that is cool, I know watching someone you don't care for is not fun and life can be a busy thing to deal with on its own. But f you enjoy and or relate to this guy's thinking, please check out more of his videos ... and let me know about them. Would love to discuss with you and to hear your thoughts on this guy's stuff or thoughts. Fantasy guy ~ fantasy guy.
Thanks regardless

OH YEAH! Is Wheel of Time your favorite? If not, what is, if I may ask?

Daniel Greene on Terry Goodkind



EDIT -
AND please, if nothing else, as I am going to dive in this to the end, hopefully, help me here? Again, ONLY if you have the time. Could you watch the vid below and let me know if it is indeed a spoiler free vid on Wheel of Time history? I don't mean total spoiler free, I kinda want a little details to make reading easier, but in his most recent video (not here) he stated that some people complained about "spoilers" being in this video yet he stands by the feeling that there are no true spoilers, only the history and what may help new readers ... or slow readers like myself.
 :D

Again, thanks so much if you do and thanks for at least reading this if not  :D :D ;D



Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on September 18, 2019, 06:05:28 PM
I will truly watch both of those!

And you remembered correctly, I am no longer a fan of Goodkind. I'm eager to hear this guy's thoughts! LOL

The Wheel of Time stands as this amazing...event is the wrong word....but it's...something, I wish I could describe!

The last time I read it, I kept a notebook next to me, where I tracked sword forms, names, Ajahs, use of the one Power, time lines and events. Really immersed myself in it. Damn good of me; really came to appreciate it even more!

But I'll be there along the way to chime in and discuss for sure Perry!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on September 19, 2019, 05:57:49 AM
Sounds good!! Thanks man!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on September 20, 2019, 06:55:48 AM
Ha! Yeah! Daniel Greene is the man!!

So, I never heard /read bout the Robert Jordan cut, but I've read other parts of those reddit interviews, along with book interviews, and I've long though 'F*** Goodkind. F*** him straight to hell. F*** any success he's had; f***ing die.'

Now I just MORE emphatically feel that way.

But, as a note in his books, where I quit reading, was Faith of the Fallen. The lead character, I SHIT YOU NOT, gave a speech to men who tried to poison the protagonist to blackmail him to save him from their own despotic emperor, 92 PAGES!!! This event (the poisoning), the speech, and subsequent decision, on a hill, take 92 pages.

I'd like to force feed Goodkind the inside of his own asshole so he gets a taste of his writing.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on September 20, 2019, 09:56:24 AM
I could never get through the first Wheel of Time book.  What I read was really good I just couldnít find the time to commit to reading it.  Iíll check this out.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on September 20, 2019, 11:36:30 AM
WoT is...an adventure. It's an immersion. I'm not sure you can casually read it. It's...an undertaking that is it's own reward, or enrichment and fullfillment for having traveled the path.

And damn..but the awesome moments are AWESOME moments my friends have relived again and again in the telling of it to each other!!!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on September 20, 2019, 01:31:14 PM
I could never get through the first Wheel of Time book.  What I read was really good I just couldnít find the time to commit to reading it.  Iíll check this out.

I can't stress this enough, if you don't have time to read get the audio book. I get through more books that way than I ever would if I had to use my eyes  ;D Driving to doggie daycare twice a week I hit play on my phone and BOOM, listen away. Walking the dog in the graveyard on days I can walk and I don't take him to daycare, BOOM another hour or so reading time in. Anyone that that goes to work should be an Audible member.

And hey, if you don't "Read" a lot, do what I did and sign up for their (non-advertised) bronze package and instead of paying $15 a month to get 1 credit (book) a month, you pay 15 every other month and get the 1 credit (book). You also get two "free" books a month, yep each month, even on your non-payment month. Some of them are really cool too.

Now true, paying $15 for what is essentially one book every two months I try to make all the books I get from audible really big books (or long in the case of audio), to get the most of my money, but even if I get the occasional 8 hour read it is worth it.

Especially IT. Best audio book ever.
 ;D

Just call Audible, the number will be somewhere HERE (https://www.audible.com) and tell them you want the bronze membership, I think that is what is below the Silver. Just say you want to pay once every two month ;D And you get at least one free book just for joining. It used to be two, but I think it is one now.

Reading with your eyes is also a great way to ... read  :D, so if you are not an audio guy I get it, but I use my eye reading time to read comics so I just don't have the time to look at other words that much. When I walk or drive I get so much reading done, and sadly, can't read my comics when I am on interstate ;D

But yeah, Audible is where I got all the Wheel of Time books and all my Stephen King books and all my Necroscope books and Dune and the Legend of Drzzt (One of my free books when I first joined, which I have never even started) and where I will get all of Sanderson's own stuff as well, when I get through the Wheel books  ;D. I did enjoy the first one, Eye of the World, especially the part when they were in that one abandoned town and ... the gold and ... well ...  ;D, but yeah I got sidetracked before hitting book two.

Thanks for the time, Jimmy, and let me know (again, when you get a chance) if you think it is safe for me to watch the second video or if it is too spoilery, keeping in mind I did read the first book so I am aware of some things like the One Power and the like. Or I should say I know OF the One Power, but not anything that isn't in the first book
 :D

EDIT - Oh, and just in-case you want to hear a sample of that Eye of the World (Wheel of Time book one) audio book, click HERE (https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Eye-of-the-World-Audiobook/B0036NHZ10?qid=1569011491&sr=1-1&pf_rd_p=e81b7c27-6880-467a-b5a7-13cef5d729fe&pf_rd_r=X6GJ9ASZW0FZY3FVKSPS&ref=a_search_c3_lProduct_1_1) and hit the sample button under the picture.
At first it was weird to hear this guy's way of doing the narration, but after a little while I really, REALLY got into his style!!
 


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on September 27, 2019, 06:36:25 PM
I don't believe anything of note is truly spoiled in the WoT video Perry. You're safe to watch it. :)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on September 28, 2019, 06:59:39 AM
Sweet sir! Will watch directly then. Thank you!!!

Also, just a little update, I listened to the first chapter of WOT: Eye of the World (or Preface I think ... maybe?) the other day and instantly got into it again. Like I said earlier, I've "read" (listened) to this first book before, but it was actually nice listening to it a second time. It brought back the memories even though, from what I remember, this ... opening volley ... interaction ... doesn't get too much attention in this first book, yeah? If you know what I am talking about  ;D It may be more involved in this book, but I can't recall it being brought up. Not in the first book. Again, that is why I am going to be reading this again ... I just can't remember too much of it.
 ;D

Of course I still have to finish Stephen King's newest book "The Institute" first, and I'm only about 1/4 of the way through so I won't be getting back to WoT too soon, but I had to take a quick listen the other day. Just had to.

Pssssst, if you know what I am talking about with that opening scene, before we meet Rand, is that ... discussion(;D) mentioned or discussed more in this first book? I think they may touch on it now that I think about it, but it is bugging me for some reason. Damn memory
 :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on October 17, 2019, 05:14:02 AM
Okay Jimmy, just an update.

I got through King's The Institute and jumped right back into Eye of the World again. I am just up to the part where the group
just crossed the Taren River heading to Baerlon
That was a fun part of the book, but I remember so much more coming!! If I were to breakdown the major events I do remember it would be them at that dead city (whose name I forgot, but that part was really fun) and then the ending battle with the ... ya know  ;D I honestly don't remember much more than that. And THAT is why I am rereading this before moving on to part two. I remember so little.
It is kinda cool remembering things as I go, like the fog that hid the team and all. Yeah, I am digging this.
Is this your favorite Fantasy series? And I know I had asked you before, but what about Sanderson's Stormlight? I want to start that when I am finished with all 14 of these books (ya know, 10 years from now  :D :D) and I'm not sure I will read the prequel New Spring unless you think I should ... I heard if I do read it, I should read it after WoT book 5: The Fires of Heaven. And making it a total of 15 books of course
 :)
But hey, by then Sanderson should have more books out in his Stormlight series as well! A win/win
 :)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on October 17, 2019, 08:19:05 PM
Shadar Logoth-that's the haunted city. :)

My favorite fantasy series? Hmm..I would probably say it's the best fantasy series I've ever read.

My favorite series goes back to the roleplaying D&D books, Dragonlance 'Legends' series. It's a trilogy that's the sequel to the 'Chronicles' trilogy (which, in itself is a rather rough series in book 1, but evens out much better by book 3). The sequel deals with focusing on one of fantasy's greatest characters-IMHO-Raistlin Majere, and his brother Caramon. Read and finished them in my teens, so it still hearkens well to me, and I still read them about once every 3 years, no doubt!!

But WoT is by far the best, even with it's up and down lumps that occur around books 8-9.

I actually never read New Spring. It's mostly about how Moiraine and Lan really get their clues focused, and the drive to find the young men in Two Rivers and Edmond's Field.

I like the Stormlight so far-it's interesting-greatly interesting!-but not...magical to me yet.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on October 18, 2019, 05:57:27 AM
Cool!
I remember all thsoe D&D books at the old used book store back when I was just getting out of High-School. They all looked cool. I liked that they had different "realms" (if that is the correct word/phrasing). Even stuff like ... Ravencroft (is that right?) I had thought about trying, but never did. OH! Forgotten Realms ... yeah? Is Dragonlance in that or is that something different?

Sorry, never been a D&D guy as I could never sit long enough for a campaign  :D :D but I do love the world. As much as I know about it of course.

I like the Stormlight so far-it's interesting-greatly interesting!-but not...magical to me yet.

I have read where Sanderson is the one that actually completed the WoT books, after the death of Jordan and most (if not all) are saying he did not just a great job but an amazing one. Keeping the voices true and what came before important. I just figured the Stormlight would be the next for me based on that alone.
How far are you in? The first book? Halfway through that? Into the second?
sorry for getting all into your biz
 :D :D :D :D
I'm just kinda excited about this again. Fantasy world in general. I have no idea why, but I am. Maybe it is that new DC series Last God by Phillip Johnson, who I know nothing about. I gurss he is ore on the gore side of fantasy and I am not sure if you enjoy that darker side or not but if you do and you are  ;D, have you read any of Johnson's stuff? Do you think the comic has a shot at being god?
Again, sorry
 :)

Edit -
And for those that have not seen the preview pages of the new Black Label high fantasy comic "Last God"-
Click HERE (https://www.cbr.com/the-last-god-dc-black-label-first-look/) for CBR's little look see.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on October 21, 2019, 07:23:13 PM
Some of D&D's lines were really good and special for novels for a short while.

And yes, Ravenloft was a cool place. Vampire of the Mists, then P.N.Elrod's gentle retelling of Strahd Von Zarovich's tragic beginnings in 'I, Strahd' is particulary good.

Dragonlance was a world setting unto itself. No real Shakespeare there, but novels that I simply felt enjoyment reading.

Forgotten Realms, another setting-chief setting, actually-is my mileu, and where  I still roleplay my games in today. Sadly, since being bought by Wizards of the coast (Magic the gathering makers), then bought out by Hasbro, they will no longer do novels.

Brandon Sanderson..I have no idea how he writes so much so fast! IT's like the guy is limited by physics in his ability to tell 19 books at the same time. He did an AMAZING job finishing the last 4,000 pages of WoT. Loved it.

Stormlight I've read the first 2, and just have not been able to create the ability to read the 3rd due to...children.

I want to read Johnson's comic! Never read a novel by him.

In the next....wait, no it's out! TOMORROW!!! The Burning White by Brent Weeks comes out tomorrow! Book 5, finishes his Lightbringer series, which I have ADORED reading; every book has had just amazing revelations and truths to it, and each finale was just 'whoa!' can't wait to finish this!!

Most other book series I read was the 'Demon Cycle' by Peter v. Brett. STarted so cool, so amazing, great world building, loved the climbing events...then it slowed in books 3 & 4, and honestly just pbbbbbbttted out like a loose balloon to end it. .


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on October 25, 2019, 07:21:25 AM
Man, I will try and check out some of your recommendations (recommendations by way of just talking about them, not that you actually recommended them to me  ;D), but I am going to try ... TRY and get my list of novel reading/audio going as follows:

- Eye of the World (Wheel of Time #1) ... close to halfway point
- The Great Hunt (Wheel of Time #2) ... only reason I am rereading #1 is to get to this with a little memory  :D
- Head full of Ghosts (Paul Tremblay) ... may need a "fantasy" break after two in a row  ;D
- Grave Peril (Jim Butcher's Dresden Files #3)
- The Dragon Reborn (Wheel of Time #3)

And I still have to fit in time for Sanderson's Stormlight and and some point I really want to start the Witcher series of books. There is just so much I want to read/listen to!!!

I just hope I don't spend too much time between WoT #2 to #3 or I will have to reread #2 like I had to do with #1
 :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on November 12, 2019, 10:08:44 AM
Alrighty then!!
Getting close to the end of Eye of the World now. I just met (again) the Green Man (or the last remaining Ent  ;)) and I kind of remember what happens next!

I do remember this being so close to Lord of the Rings in story, characters and tone, and I do know that Robert Jordan talked about how he did that, brought a more modern take on LotR on purpose and in homage to then sprout off and go to building a completely different world/story, or some such, but I didn't realize how much I do really enjoy all the similarities and slight differences. It is hitting me much more this time through for some reason.
 8)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on November 14, 2019, 07:23:35 AM
And FINISHED!!!

Woo-Hoo.

Now for a decision ... what to read next? Do I jump right into book #2 of the Wheel of Time or do I take a break? I am worn down a little, that was a long book, but at the same time I did reread this puppy so I could get to book two ... hmmmm, not sure what I want to do yet. Oh and
R.I.P to the Greenman
. I didn't remember that part until they ran into him and when they did my brain recalled it all from the first time I read the book, and I think I let out a little sigh.
 :-\


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on November 15, 2019, 06:03:29 AM
It's funny; I think there are maybe 1-2 other references to the importance of what the Green Man represented, but in the end, that book was written to be a one off single title should the publisher decide to not pick up and publish The Great Hunt. :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on November 16, 2019, 06:06:49 AM
So, swung into the LCS yesterday, the small one right up the street from me, and met a guy I had not seen in a long time. Started telling him I just read the first WoT book and how I was thinking about starting the second and he told me to check out this new book series by this guy "Nick Aims".

So when I got back home and settled in I looked for this "Aims" guy and was led (thanks Google) to a guy named Nicholas Eames. I assume that is who he was talking about. It sounds like aims :D So I checked in on this book called Kings of the Wyld and after seeing some reviews I decided to give it a go because hey, worse case I don't like it and Audible gives me my credit back (so cool that they do that).

Just started chapter two this morning and yeah, this is good. It has just the right amount of humor and I am getting to know the lead character pretty fast. I like it. If you are looking for a Fantasy/Barbarian/Mercenary type book I say give this a try. But I will be back in a few to let ya know if it gets better or worse or what, but for now, I really enjoy this darn thing!!

HERE (https://www.amazon.com/Kings-Wyld-Band-Nicholas-Eames-ebook/dp/B01KT7YTXW) is the amazon link (as always I suggest getting the book free by signing up for Audible) but for readers of the page you could also check out Ebay (is that still around? :D) for a cheaper copy. But you could also give me a few more days to get my opinion as I go deeper in. Again, I only got through one chapter
 :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on December 02, 2019, 06:11:52 AM
Guys, I implore you, please make Kings of the Wyld the next book you buy. And what I mean is buy it this year, before the start of 2020. Why? Because I want to discuss it with you, that's why.
 ;D

This is one of my favorite books I have ever read and quite possible my 2nd favorite of all time, right after IT (though I admit I am on the high of "currently reading" which always makes things higher as you are living them in the moment). That said, I have faith this will be a top 10 book for me when I am done and think back on it years from now. Let's just say this, I have already bought the 2nd book in the series without finishing this first. That is how good this is. Now I am only just over the halfway mark, so I suppose it could suddenly nose dive, but I highly doubt it will do that.

This book is about a group (or a band as they are called) of old mercenaries who together were called Saga, one of the most famous bands of the realm, coming together once again, so many years later, to ... well, I don't want to spoil it, but it this group of five out of shape, old barbarians/fighters, a wizard and a bard( ? ;D) setting out to do something that ... well ... again, I won't spoil.
It is the most entertaining (and humorous at times) book that I have read in ... I don't know how long. 

Best thing about this, for me, it was the perfect book to read after the first Wheel of Time book. That book, WoT, is more "grand literature" while this is more ... a book written by a guy writing a book  ;D

In-fact, I had always thought that "High Fantasy" meant books like Lord of the Rings or Wheel of Time solely because they were written in that grand literary style of work. Those with ... complicated structure (that is not the phrase I want to use, but I hope you get what I mean) and the like, while "Low Fantasy" was a more relaxed form of writing. More down to Earth but I recently found out that I was kinda right.  :D Low Fantasy is more down to Earth but not because of writing style, but because of location. Low Fantasy are books set on Earth. Truly "down to Earth" as it were. That is it. Books like ... spoilers in-case you don't know ...
The Shannara series or Wheel of Time
are those that, regardless of how it looks, are set on Earth or a version of it, just in the distant future ... or past. High Fantasy is just books set on an entirely different world.

I only mention that because while, so far, this book seems to be High Fantasy and had I known that before going in, and going by what I USED to think, I would not have picked this book after reading Wheel of Time because I would have thought it was written in the same, high brow manner.
(And I don't mean that as an insult. I truly enjoyed Eye of the World, but I was wanting to take a break from that kind of writing for a book or two.)

This book is nothing but superb, fun as hell, funny as hell while still have the feel of threats being real. Yes it has Golems and Dragons and all kinds of famous fantasy AND mythological creatures, but I can guarantee you have never seen them like this. Well, the dragons maybe, but then again ... ohhhhhh ...

Man ... guys, please, do yourself a favor, get this book. Make this the next book you read. You will enjoy it. At least the first half anyway
 :D
And here ... or HERE (https://www.amazon.com/Kings-Wyld-Band-Nicholas-Eames-ebook/dp/B01KT7YTXW) is the link to order it and no, this is not a link where I get money or anything.  :D This is just an Amazon link that I typed in Google. Not trying to get anything out of this other than have you guys read a great book so I can discuss it with you. However, it looks like it comes up to the Kindle version as default, so make sure you hit the paperback option (or the even better Audiobook ... which is AMAZING!!!!!)
 :-*
(Just look at those reviews!!!!!)
 ;)
(Or don't and get the full unspoiled surprise as you read!!!)
 :)
(Just get this book!!!)
 8)
(Okay, I will stop this now)
 ;D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on December 02, 2019, 09:50:13 AM
Perry, based on your review, you can bet your sweet bippy Iíll find this book to read. I wonít let a recommendation like that go away!

**

I may Ďquibbleí a bit on the high/low fantasy definitions-okay, not quibble, discuss! I sound negative when I call it quibbling. Like, the book doesnít have to be Ďsetí on Earth itself to be low fantasy. Iíve always found Low fantasy to be more Ö.man versus mankind, less Evil Magic Big Bad as the antagonist. While Shannara books were waaaaay later incorporated into a future Earth World, there is nothing Low Fantasy about any of the first 10 books at all. Or..any of the ones properly called ĎShannara.í

Now Game of Thrones? Low Fantasy to me. There are the elements of some magic, some dragons, but those things are extreme outliers to a world designed entirely within the human caption of what our reality is on this world. Low Fantasy makes you know how much pain and blood is in the battle for a hill. Low Fantasy will show you how heavy a blade truly is, how cumbersome armor can be. There are no magic blades to whip and zing all around without effort or fatigue. Low Fantasy isnít...fantasticalÖlike the series ĎPrince of Thornsí (Broken Empire Trilogy) by Mark Lawrence is so Low Fantasy, I would call it gutter fantasy. It's so base, and debased, I forced my way through to the end of book 1, was not awed by the Ďcatchí of the premise, and refused to even pick up book 2. Itís a book of rape, murder (not Ďkillingí enemies, but murdering people), and vile acts of the lowest type of people to get revenge on...a life lived because of past hurts. Itís books like GoT that has allowed Lawrence to find readers.

Anything you would presume to be High Fantasy, you would probably be correct. Their worlds are completely synonymous with the knowledge or feeling of magic or magical beings. I would call ĎAmerican Godsí by Gaiman as High Fantasy. Sure, itís Earth, but all the myths and legends of our world are real, rise and fall, and work within our realm completely.

Thatís just my opinions. :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on December 02, 2019, 12:02:20 PM
Hey no, I get ya, I'm only going by what that ... youtube Fantasy guy said.  ;D He and another (cute) fantasy youtuber have said that "here" is indeed the definition of High and Low Fantasy. I thought it was something else as well.

Maybe they are wrong, I don't know ... I will try and find the video
 ;D

EDIT - Daniel Greene!!! That's his name. And Merphy Napier is the little cutie that told me what the difference in high and low was ... it is right at the 17:48 mark or so if ya want to skip to it
 :)



Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on December 02, 2019, 12:28:43 PM
Lol no big deal ;D

As long as it's fantasy and not insulting to the reader, then it's a good read!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on December 03, 2019, 02:42:04 AM
Right on!  :)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on December 03, 2019, 12:00:23 PM
Been thinking, this Kings of the Wyld book could have easily been written by Jason Aaron. Just the right amount of humor to break things up but with a lot of heart, action, might and magic. Fantasy, but with a spin on a lot of the creatures and tropes and funny, but not a funny book, ya know? I like those types of books




Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on December 04, 2019, 06:00:43 AM
The way I'm reading you, it's almost sounds like a more adult version of David Weddings writing. His is high fantasy, all the common tropes, but man, the humor was spot on.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on December 04, 2019, 08:32:46 AM
Hmmmm, could be. Not for sure as I have never read "Weddings"  :D.

But so ya know, this is on the adult side as there are certainly adult situations and the occasional curse and/or "F" drop (not a lot at all and when done it is perfect for the situation  :D) but it is certainly not like say ... Ice and Fire or anything like that extreme as for being adult. This is more PG13+ or a very low rated R as apposed to Game of Thrones HARD "R" and its "I'm not even letting my 19 year old daughter watch that!" stuff
 :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on December 04, 2019, 11:11:31 AM
Damn auto correct!

David Eddings, writer of The Belgariad world and Elenium works


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on December 04, 2019, 11:31:45 AM
David Eddings, writer of The Belgariad world and Elenium works

Yeah, I got ya. Never read anything from him yet. But I am new to this fantasy stuff ... mostly new anyway.

Also, check your phone  ;)

EDIT - Yes, check your phone ... now that I added you to the conversation. DOH!!!
 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on December 18, 2019, 07:46:55 AM
Okay Jimmy, before I talk too much about The Great Hunt (WoT book #2), how much do you remember of the book?

On a side note, while I am here, I got mad at myself yesterday. I was listen to this book and was at the part where they introduce Liandra (sp?) of the Red Aja (again ... not sure of the spelling) and they talk more about the colors like Yellow Aja, White Aja, etc .. including the "don't even talk about them and they don't exist" Black Aja. This all happens very early in the book. Well it got me curious about the differences in all the colors of the Aja. What each color (clan) represents for how they live or operate and all that, so in my infinite wisdom  ::) I wanted to know what makes say ... the red Aja different than some of the others and so I typed in a question about it and I don't remember what exactly I typed but the first damn line of the answer that came up said something along the lines of -
Liandra, known as a Red Aja but is actually Black Aja
>:( >:(

I wanted to kick my own ass.
 >:( >:( >:(

Was that going to be exposed in THIS book, or did I spoil something that was way down the road? If you remember
 :)

EDIT - Oh ... I have just got to the part where
Padan Fain "escaped" the dungeon and we the see that Matt, unconscious, has lost THE dagger
, so again, I am early in but liking it so far.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on December 30, 2019, 10:06:05 PM
My second (okay, third time this book), but second time rereading the entire series, I took notes. I wrote down EVERY character and the briefest description. I took notes on prophecy, sword forms, movement of characters, Ajahs, relations, oh yeah, I did. Because I really get into stuff so I really immerse myself in that manner. It's not required! But man..I kept picking up so much more.

That said, the Red Ajah is rather aggressive; the also are the primary hunters of male channelers and stilling False Dragons. They are...rather men hating women, as they view them as the ones who will primarily abuse the One Power.

Sorry about that little Spoiler for you; that sucks! Blues are 'adventurers' , Yellows are more healers, Green are the warrior type channelers, ready for war, Brown are librarians, Grays are diplomats, and Whites are philosophers.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on December 31, 2019, 05:51:15 AM
SWEET!
Thanks man

That will help when I hear them come up in the future.

AND WOAH ... just had a deja vu moment ... Have I asked you about Aja's prior to the one above? In relation to you? WOW. That hit me hard just now. Freaky

As for the spoiler, yeah, I'm still mad at myself. I know better  :(


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 09, 2020, 08:00:41 AM
So I am approaching the halfway mark (of the 26 hours plus long) of book two of Wheel of Time, The Great Hunt, and I am already starting to wonder if I want to go straight into book 3 or not.

I usually try to wash out the taste of these epic reads by listening to something more ... well, actually ... less grand literature feeling  ;D but I have been eyeing that new Joe Abercrombie series The Age of Madness, or more precisely, the first and only book yet released in the series; A Little Hatred. It is getting rave reviews, yet I am not sure if I want to go fantasy again or not and certainly not sure if I want to go epic fantasy back to back.

So hey, Jimmy, and I apologize if I have asked this before OR if you have already voluntarily gave me the information I am going to ask but ... are you a fan of Joe Aborcrobie? If not, you don't feel he is similar to Goodkind do you?

Thanks again for letting me bounce Fantasy stuff off of you, kind sir. Just coming into this for the most part so I do appreciate the thoughts of a veteran such as yourself, Mage Jimbo
 :) 


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on January 09, 2020, 09:15:36 AM
I never did finish the first book and now your making me want to get it on audible!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 09, 2020, 11:21:30 AM
I never did finish the first book and now your making me want to get it on audible!

Ha, well it is a good book, but its also a very slow burn. Very enjoyable, for sure, but if pace was the reason you stopped, I understand why you dropped off the first time. That said, having listened to it twice now (to refresh my old memory so I could more easily enjoy the rest of them), I am only sad that I waited so long to get to the second book. I would be on book three by now  ;D

I guess the best questions, to see if it would be worth trying again are:

Did you "read" it or was it an audiobook the first time around? I ask only because with an audiobook, the great thing, is that you can read while just driving or any other times your hands are busy  ;D ... ya know, times you really couldn't read. To me, audiobooks are amazing in that regard. I am on book two of this humongous story and I wouldn't be past chapter 3 if I had to read it. I would fall asleep all the time. Not due to boredom, things do happen and they are great, but it is very much a character book, although it is a very slow build, but shouldn't it be? I think so. Speaking of "slow" ...


What was the reason you stopped the first time? If it was because nothing happened, I will say that it does take a few chapters for the action to occur and even then ... well ... tell ya what. Here it is a nutshell - The first book is Lord of The Rings. When I say that ... it is more "based on" or an "homage to", but it is certainly in there. Jordan was well aware of it, though I'm not sure if his only reason was to get people in with something they are familiar with or what, but I do know it goes well on its own tale after that first book (and honestly, during). I don't mean to say it is a carbon copy, but it is so much Lord of the Rings in substance, (some) characters and style that you can see LotR in it, but you can also see it isn't just LotR as well

Regardless it is something you need to commit to I think. You really do need to be in that "Epic" mood. If you just want to take a couple hours and re-watch Return of the King (Lord of the Rings part 3) then you take 171 minutes and watch the movie this is not the series for you, but if you want to see the epic that is LORD OF THE RINGS!!! ... you sit your butt down for the 228 minute extended Fellowship of the Rings, the 235 minute Two Towers and the 263 minute Return of the King
 ;D ;D ;D
You don't have to go all in as far as Jimmy did, reading the entire series more than once ... (Kudos on that, buddy), but it is something that demands a lot of time. But if you are just listening to it ... Hell, how long did KotW take you to get through? Well this one will take about three times as long, easily. Not only is it about twice as long (KotW = about 18 hours / EotW = 30 hourse) but the pace moves a lot slower.

But it is still good. Not saying it isn't worth the time, at all (Hell Jimmy and I both read it more than once  :D :D) but it is much, much, much more of an epic as well so it needs more time.

I think, being one of the most appreciated fantasy series of all time, it does deserve a listen, but if you found it too slow the first time you are probably gonna feel the same. However, if you can get past that, man are you in for a grand adventure once all is done. That is my goal. I hope to make it
 :)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on January 09, 2020, 11:29:25 AM
No, I really enjoyed it but I was reading the hardback and I had that giant backlog of comics looming on me.  Then we sold the house, moved to an apartment, built a new house, moved again....you get the idea.

Thatís why I said I should get the audio book.  Iím much more likely to have the time to get through it in the car.   ;D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 09, 2020, 11:39:23 AM
Yeppers!!!  8)
(And totally glossed over the audible mention)
DOH

A lot easier for me.

Just keep in mind it is much, much slower than KotW.
But also much, much more epic in scope and story.

Sort of like the first Battlestar Galactica episode compared to the expanded SW universe
 :D :D :D

If you do decide to do it, I look forward to hearing your thoughts as you progress
 8)
(But let me know a day or two before you buy it ... I may be able to do that Christmas thing  ;D)



Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on January 11, 2020, 01:06:17 PM
Whoops!!

I have not read any Abercrombie fantasy. I know it tends to make Top 25 lists of Fantasy books in the years of his publications. That's all I can say, sorry on that!

And Jeff...I love the Wheel of Time. If the fantasy genre really is a thing you enjoy, and if you love some FAKKIN' AWESOME MOMENTS OF POWER!!! you'll enjoy the series.

Of course, many of the females in this book will make you chafe and hate. A. LOT. LOL!!!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 12, 2020, 07:16:40 AM
Whoops!!

I have not read any Abercrombie fantasy. I know it tends to make Top 25 lists of Fantasy books in the years of his publications. That's all I can say, sorry on that!

Okay, dang, I was hoping you would know, but you can't have all knowledge ... I guess  ;D. Thanks man.

As for Wheel of Time, I have been enjoying it, for sure, and I am not trying to throw a stick of dynamite in a room, but there are times where it feels, well, almost dated in its style. Now it is not as dated as say Tolkien or the like, not saying that. And I enjoyed reading Tolkien, with its what seemed like Old English sentences from time to time  ;D, but this is also a little ... well ... look, it is an epic story. Ya know? Those tend to go a little slower, which is fine, as it does get you deep into the characters. But, like Jimbo mentioned with the women  ;D, sometime you can get too deep. I will say while the slowness does not bother me ... and I do say this really enjoying my time on this book ... honestly ...  ;D ... but if there is one thing I am tired of it is this -

I am really getting tired of all the damn complaining by the main characters. Oh my god do they bitch and moan ... a lot!!!!

 :D :D ;D ;D


Now I know that is also on purpose, to show their growth and yada, yada, but honestly, some of these characters just need to shut the hell up.
I know that sounds bad, but I say that with the best intention.  :D

I have been trying to put together a way to explain this book, using comic references and I think I have got it. I think  ;D

This series, so far, to me, is like Stan Lee and Brian Bendis got together to write Superman.

No hold on, I know that is not going to make Jimmy happy  ;D, but hang with me ...

It is written like a Superman book in so far that it has that "do goodness", early American vibe to it. Not that it is in that style, but it is, at it's base, a story of the bright/good vs the dark/evil and hey, of course it is. It is an epic fantasy series that is about good, simple folk stopping the evil that ... well I don't want to spoil that ... it is hard for me to explain, but yeah, if this was a DC book, it would be Superman based. If ya get me.

Now, for the Bendis comment ... this book talks a good deal. A lot. Tons of talking. Now it is better than Bendis, for sure, and Robert Jordan can write groups of people much better than Bendis ever has  ;D, but yes, while there is action (and it is good!), there is also a lot of description and people talking. BUT, I want to make this clear, it isn't a bad thing. It is more of a "sitting around a fire hearing a good story" type of talking. It is fine. It is great even. But it is there. And hey, this is also a what 14 or 15 book series? So of course there is going to be a lot of talking. And I also want to say that it isn't talking just to fill out the series. The talking is important, even though it has a crap ton of bitchin' and moanin'  :D, it is worth it.

For the Lee comment, it, at times, is written in a way that does feel a tad dated to me. It is certainly more modern than the Hobbit or LotR, but there is a style of writing that very much reminds me of early Superman comics. And not those weird ass ones where little Supes fly out of Supe's finger tips, but just not current in it's prose style either.

All of that said, I still say it is a great series and, so far, I have all intentions of finishing it, and that is not something I would say if I was not enjoying what I was reading/listening to. Just know it is a large task to read this series, but I do think it is worth it.

Hell, this morning I was walking my dog in the woods by our house, there is a nice natural bike path back there, and just slowing walking with my dog through the woods listening to this book was a moment of bliss. It honestly felt, for a moment, that I was traveling with these characters ... going through the woods, the remaining rain dropping from trees making such a nice sound, thinking of the journey these characters are taking ...

Yeah man, there are issues, but this series is more than worth the time you will spend on it.

Oh, and Jimmy, I am now at the part where Thom is ... a coded spoiler  ;D ... where he is
surprised in his room by the two guys in the wardrobe
:o


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on January 12, 2020, 09:53:10 AM
There's a series, by Stephenson Donaldson, long time fantasy writer of the Thomas Covenant works. It was first published in 1977...and the prose can tell. It's just...older/rougher/'handspun'.

Where the writer really just..well, goes 'Tolkien' LOL  :D wherein you know every curve of the road, every leaf on a tree, geographical ascent of the hill, how much minerals are underground, air quality, and also the spiritual mood of all wind zephyrs and stone spirits..

Right? You know what I'm talking about?  ;)

Donaldson is like that. I keep picking it up and putting it down, because it takes work to read. It takes effort, and well, I believe it will be worth the effort, as I really want to read those 10 books that encompass 25 years, but man...it's hard to get going!

I could see early Jordan being that. I can't 'feel' that right now through memory, but it's certainly there! He certainly tales a lot of time with clothes and food and dress and hair though!!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 13, 2020, 03:06:10 AM
Ya know, everyone warned me about Jordan's style, where he goes off a little over descriptive at times and while I do see it, it doesn't bother me. At least not yet. Maybe he gets more into that later in the series ... I hope I am not jinxing myself  :D
I think what helped me with the descriptive aspect and it not getting to me is that I read and listen to a lot of Stephen King and that guy ... jeez ... he also loves to dive into the descriptions. Maybe I am used to that style.
 :)

And I do want to point out that "Dated" is not truly the word I wanted to use as I don't think it is an accurate description of my feelings on the way this book was written. It is just a different way of writing is all. Again, and I know I am running this word into the ground, but it is a more "epic" style (and please don't confuse my word "epic" with "High" fantasy. Not what I mean, even though the old me would consider this both.
 ;D

But look, if you are looking for a "Game of Thrones" style of fantasy, dark fantasy if you will, this is not the series you should go with. That is more Batman and this Superman  ;) ;D But if you want that epic storytelling in the (another group of words I hate using to describe this) Lord of the Rings style, then you can't go wrong here.

Moving on ...
 ;D

I am about 3/4 of the way through book 2 and I think I will try Joe Abercrombie's "A Little Hatred" next. That is book one of his newest series ... although perhaps I should read his "First Law" trilogy first as I think this book, while the first in a new series, is set in the same world as First Law.
Hmmmm
We shall see. I guess.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on January 19, 2020, 08:18:23 PM
I went ďcampingĒ with the guys this weekend down in southeast Texas.  I put it in quotes because we stay in a cabin - not actually roughing it.

Anyway the drive to the cabin is 3 hours and of course another 3 hours back.  So guess what I did for those 6 hours?

Yes!  Iím on Chapter 10 now which is exactly where I left off a few years ago.  Iím at the part where the band has finally left home and they just took the ferry across the water.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 20, 2020, 04:34:43 AM
Sweet.
 :)

Not much to say yet, as you are basically where you were before so ... no new stuff yet, but soon, sir, soon
 ;D

And Jimmy, I am at the part where ... well ... what I was spoiled on has just been shown. And I love the idea of ... that connection between the ... man this is hard... hahaha ... between the neck ring and ... if ya get me?
I'm glad that damn spoiler has happened early, it's done now, and not too deep in the story. Not too deep in? I have listened to what? About 50 hours of audio and it is "Not too deep in"?
 :D
Well, not when the entire thing is 448.8 hours long
 :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on January 20, 2020, 05:34:15 PM
I don't get you...but I'm glad you are enjoying it!!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 21, 2020, 03:19:32 AM
I don't get you...

 :D :D Trying not to post spoilers that entice Jeff.  :D In book two, when the four ladies leave the white tower and go through the ... traveling place  ;) and then we find out that thing I was spoiled on, that we spoke about earlier and... oh never mind
 :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 21, 2020, 07:33:18 AM
Hey Jeff ... you get any further along? If not, no worries  8)
Want to ask you something but want to make sure I know where you are first.

And man, although this second book has been a little bit ... not slower, that is not it at all, but a little less action oriented I guess is what I am trying to say, maybe ... but anyway, I am at the point now where this is like a Hickman book  ;D In so far as there is something really cool (and powerful) brought up early'ish (regarding a boat captain and what he encounters on the way to somewhere) in this book that is not fully explained at the time you first come to it, but then ... now for me ... you get the story behind said thing and it is really cool!!! So Yeah, very Hickman like. Throwing something out there that leaves you questioning at first, only to get more information and enjoyment out of it at a later time in the story.
 :)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on January 21, 2020, 09:53:39 AM
Iím on chapter 14, The Stag and the Lion.  They just arrived at the Inn.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on January 21, 2020, 01:24:50 PM
Iím on chapter 14, The Stag and the Lion.  They just arrived at the Inn.

And now I'm on Chapter 18 -
they just fled the city of Baerlon and the Wisdom, Nynaeve,  from their home town has joined them.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on January 21, 2020, 05:45:13 PM
Yeah, but the end of TGH is FAKKIN YUUUGE in scope of what goes down and how it all happens. Blows the book out of the water and is what makes many big fans of this entry! Just you wait! :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 22, 2020, 04:49:38 AM
Iím on chapter 14, The Stag and the Lion.  They just arrived at the Inn.

And now I'm on Chapter 18 -
they just fled the city of Baerlon and the Wisdom, Nynaeve,  from their home town has joined them.

Ahhh, so you found the White Cloaks at Baerlon.

So do you see the Lord of the Rings influence? Again, it isn't a bad thing, and it does go well off of that feel the deeper you go. Heck, I think it was kinda brilliant to give people a totally new fantasy story yet encase it in a very similar one they already feel comfortable with reading. It is like getting to know these new characters by associating them with some from the past.

And you say you are on chapter 18 ... not sure how far you are along, so I won't say much but ... ohhhh  chapters 18 and 19 are cool!!

Yeah, but the end of TGH is FAKKIN YUUUGE in scope of what goes down and how it all happens. Blows the book out of the water and is what makes many big fans of this entry! Just you wait! :D

Sweet! Looking forward to it!! I am pumped once again over the last few chapters. About to head out for my walk. Hope to get past 42? ... or 40 .. something  ;D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on January 22, 2020, 08:41:34 AM
Iím on chapter 22 now.

Weíve escaped from the abandoned city in the woods.  That was a really cool part by the way.  The trap of the treasure and all.  They should have known it was a trap.  Stupid Matt.

Just like Lord of the Rings, the party is now split apart but all headed for the same place.  I donít know where Egwene is yet but I imagine this next chapter will catch up to her.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on January 22, 2020, 10:12:26 AM
it's funny, I once read somewhere with all the fantasy tropes out there there's essentially like only three four maybe eight stories;maybe that's for all stories. Well fantasy it seems to be there's a great propensity for stories of a) take something somewhere b) go here or start here and go there kill something and c) go from here to there and become something different while there. and there's a lot of that in this book. Also there's so much world building that yeah you are going to see every single country in the world!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on January 25, 2020, 10:16:35 PM
Starting chapter 30........


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 26, 2020, 07:50:31 AM
Starting chapter 30........

GET ON IT!!

Jeff, like I said on the video, you may pass me before I get through this book!! Especially book 3. Yeah, if you opperate at that pace, I see you passing me no later than book 3  :D
That is, if you stay on without taking a break, which I have to. I really enjoy what I am reading, and the part I am at now makes it even more enjoyable, but I do plan on taking a break from this realm after this book. Probably will for the entire run.

Of course another thing pushing me to finish the series is now Amazon's production is soon to release the Wheel of Time series and I would like to at least stay ahead of that. As much as possible, if they go somewhat linear of course.

I also keep forgetting to ask Jimmy (and now you as you are so far along in the first book) how he feels about the casting for the show? I think they did a really good job with the casting, though originally I would have liked a little older looking Nynaeve, just a tad. I think she is 6 or so years older than Egwene in the book and at first, with the picture I saw, the actor looked to be even younger, but now, honestly looking over the actor again, I think that her look  is about right. With this new link/images I can see a very slight age difference in the two. That's good.

I will say that I have no issues with any of the casting though I will add that while I think the Loial casting is pretty darn good ... man oh man, that Padan Fain casting is perfection!!! I can see that even at first glance. That was a great call! Also can't wait to see Perrin's contacts when the time comes!
 ;D

So what do you guys think?
Take a look HERE (https://dragonmount.com/tv/s1/cast/) if you need to see, just scroll down just a tad for the characters
 :)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on January 26, 2020, 08:22:45 AM
Yeah, Nynaeve is 8 years older than Egwene, but only 4 older than Rand, Perrin, and Mat. By the time Nynaeve is, um book 2, she's 24 years.

That's...ok, this will sound bad typing, but a diverse cast! But I've said before too, get the best actor. I loved Elba as Heimdall, and I can like this cast as well. Lan is a bit..younger than I would like. Tam's actor almost looks a better actor age for Lan (from a pure book standpoint), but whatever.

I also have no faith in things being converted well to watching. GoT tried to do a good job casting  and did well enough, but the Shannara (on MTV, mind you) was the worst thing ever.

So, we'll see!!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on January 26, 2020, 09:31:31 AM
So, I just realize I said 'good job, neat casting!' then threw shade all over the project by saying 'they'll do a crap job of doing it any good!'

More to my negative point, I don't believe they'll be...that good in cutting out what needs to be done from the books to make it a cohesive series. Then, there's also when the writers' start adding 'their' stuff, or believing they can improve on what Jordan wrote.

That's where I'll get irritated. Assuming I have time to watch it!  :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 26, 2020, 10:20:33 AM
Daniel Greene was just talking about what will be the hardest thing for them to deal with, from special effects to what to leave out (like Gray Man/Souless was something he mentioned) but I remain hopeful they will pull this off. I have seen a lot of Amazon productions, the ones they make, not the ones, like Netflix does a lot of times, they buy at auctions and so yeah, I'm hoping for the best. Or at least the not-so-terrible
 :D

But I say that feeling the exact same way that you do about this, but about Netflix's Locke and Key (SEVEN MORE DAYS!!), so I know what you are afraid of. I already know there will be a lot of changes to that series. Okay, I don't know, but I can guess.
 :-[
Another factor in my fear is, from what I have heard, those that have seen the original Locke and Key pilot (the one that got rejected) said it was pretty darn good and close as hell to the comic.
Yeah, even more worry then?
 >:(

But in other ... news?  ;D I just hope that someone comes up with a good enough script for King's Dark Tower series, as that pilot and the series pick-up option has now been booted by the Amazon folks.
 >:(
Better luck next time?
 :-\


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on January 26, 2020, 10:54:44 AM
I found myself taking a moment, and mulled it over.

Is a visual Dark Tower something I need? Want?

No offense to any actor, but the writing of Roland suffering an attack from the lobstrosity I don't think can be visually matched on film. I think King's writing is what drives the first 2 books especially. I guess I'm (whining) that perhaps we are better off without having a DT show.

And that's the reservations I put towards WoT as well. Too pessimistic, what with I believe a proven track record of books to series kind of sucking.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 26, 2020, 11:20:47 AM
If John Carpenter can make the movie The Thing, waaaay back in the day, there is no reason, absolutely no reason that they can't work out how Roland
and his hand ... oh yeah ... and toe meet those beach lobster monstrosities

(https://i.postimg.cc/63snXKYm/roland.jpg)

And yes, I want to see it!!!
 :)

EDIT -
And that's the reservations I put towards WoT as well. Too pessimistic, what with I believe a proven track record of books to series kind of sucking.

Because books are always better. Nothing in a show or movie will ever compare to your own imagination or expectations. That is true with any "movie picture" thing. Or at least 90% of them. Don't compare them, they are totally different mediums.
Enjoy them for what they are, sir
 ;D

Except for that Shannara crap. I didn't read the books, have no desire to, and yet even I thought that stuff was horrible.
 :D :D





Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on January 26, 2020, 01:56:47 PM
Iím sure I will take a break between books.  I was in the middle of a different book on Audible when I switched over to this one.  Iíll want to get back to that and finish it before I start book 2, most likely.  But I am enjoying this.  Nice diversion from the real world.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 27, 2020, 10:20:16 AM
Well just finished book two. Okay, not "Just finished" as in this second finished :), I finished it on the walk this morning. Good ending, though certainly a little more Lord of the Rings influence there as well, but hey, all good. I still enjoyed it. Very much so.

I will say, for an addition to the negative column, that I do get tired of all these damn women just looking at Rand and instantly thinking of marriage though. I mean to throw down and get busy for a night, sure, okay, Rand = Brad Pitt, but lord ... these chicks go all overboard with the whole "coupling and him having me as a bride" thing  ::)
 ;D

As for next, I will get to book three after I listen to ... I'm not sure yet. Probably Joe Abercrombie's The Blade Itself, book one of the First Law Trilogy, but I may take a break away from that type of fantasy all together. Not sure yet.

I do know, after finishing this epic book, I need to read issue #45 of East of West to finish off that epic series. Hopefully tonight. Man, I hope I get to it. I think I have read a mere two comics so far this week
 :-\


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on January 27, 2020, 02:41:23 PM

I will say, for an addition to the negative column, that I do get tired of all these damn women just looking at Rand and instantly thinking of marriage though. I mean to throw down and get busy for a night, sure, okay, Rand = Brad Pitt, but lord ... these chicks go all overboard with the whole "coupling and him having me as a bride" thing  ::)
 ;D


There was a point when I wondered if 'Robert Jordan' was a woman writer. The, well, men-bashing, matriarchal control and fear of the Aes Sedai, and the continued plans to use Rand because he was a male out of control.

It seemed right to me for a long time. I know I'm wrong now, but it seemed appropriate at one point!

But, I was also able to get out of that mindset by 'abandoning' putting Judeo-Christian values on to the book, and take this hugely realized world for everything it gives us as a reader-then a lot of the womens' and society values begin to really make more sense. 


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 30, 2020, 07:58:08 AM
So Jimmy told me the prologues on some of these books can be ... quite wordy, WOW, he wasn't kidding. Just got through the prologue of The Dragon Reborn (book #3) and it took over an hour
 :D :D

Am also listening to the first book of Joe Abercrombie's First Law trilogy (The Blade Itself) and I will say, having not read The Song of Ice and Fire and only watching the series it is based on, Game of Thrones, that it is very much in that vein. Brutal, but it also has a little dry humor to it. Now I am only about an hour in that as well, about up to chapter 3 I think, so it could change, but yeah, I think I will enjoy the "dark" style of this one as well.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on January 30, 2020, 08:37:45 AM
Still on book 1 and about to start chapter 39.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 30, 2020, 03:42:36 PM
Still on book 1 and about to start chapter 39.

Sweet
(Now get on polo!!!)
 ;)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on January 30, 2020, 06:42:56 PM


Am also listening to the first book of Joe Abercrombie's First Law trilogy (The Blade Itself) and I will say, having not read The Song of Ice and Fire and only watching the series it is based on, Game of Thrones, that it is very much in that vein. Brutal, but it also has a little dry humor to it. Now I am only about an hour in that as well, about up to chapter 3 I think, so it could change, but yeah, I think I will enjoy the "dark" style of this one as well.

I'd be curious if you would like to make it through the first 3 chapters of Mark Lawrence 'Prince of Thorns' then.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on January 30, 2020, 09:08:23 PM
Getting ready to head home from work and listening to Chapter 40 on the ride.  I'm at the part where ding dong Rand fell off the wall into the Queen's courtyard without knowing he was sitting on the Queen's wall.   :D :D :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 31, 2020, 05:23:48 AM
I'd be curious if you would like to make it through the first 3 chapters of Mark Lawrence 'Prince of Thorns' then.

Quite possibly   :), but it may take me 10 years to get to it.  :D Going to try and finish these three series first, as I have heard they are some of the best loved:

Wheel of Time (14 books and a sequel that I am to read "only after book 5" ... which I may skip anyway)
The First Law Trilogy/World (currently 8 books. Well nine counting the latest that just came out)
The Gentlemen Bastards (a small 3 book series!!)

Of course after that small bit of reading I plan on hitting up the Stormlight Archive series, soooooo ...
Lots of listening ahead for me.
 ;D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on January 31, 2020, 05:26:10 AM
Getting ready to head home from work and listening to Chapter 40 on the ride.  I'm at the part where ding dong Rand fell off the wall into the Queen's courtyard without knowing he was sitting on the Queen's wall.   :D :D :D

 ;D Yeah, funny that. So they already walked the False Dragon through the streets.

I almost said something else ... like a moron ....  :-\

T'was nothing major, but yeah, would've been ill timing and all spoilery
 :)  ;D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on February 05, 2020, 05:43:21 PM
I've started Book Two - just read the Prologue and first chapter so far.  Prologue really sucked me in.  Looks like I might not be getting back to that other book I was reading before I dove into the Wheel of Time!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on February 06, 2020, 06:52:05 AM
I've started Book Two

YAY!!!

Yeah, that prologue of book two is sweet!!! "The man who is known as Bors ..."
It really got me going as well. Made the jump in exciting, yeah? 

Speaking of prologues, man, the one in book 3 is long  ;D It took about an hour and half (running at normal speed) to get through that puppy. That's a lot of pages  :D

I am currently on Chapter 5 of book three, but also on Chapter 11 of The Blade Itself (Book One of the First Law trilogy by Joe Abercrombie). Reading two books at once does have its issues but the main one is that I like both stories now so much that I can't decide on which one to concentrate on  ;D The are TOTALLY different styles of books with TOTALLY different narrators, so I am not, yet, getting confused at least.  :)
Jimmy, if you ever get the time and want yet another series (I know you have blasted through a ton of them), and you are in the mood for that darker style, I can say this series, or at least this book, is a worthy read. Really enjoying a few of these characters in this book. Greatly. Especially this one character called Logen Nine Fingers. So far, one hell of a hero.  :)

But back to the topic ...

AND SPOILERS WILL PROBABLY BE DISCUSSED, SO WARNING TO OTHERS ...

______________________________________________________________
SPOILER LINE ... (possibly)  ;)
______________________________________________________________

Now that Jeff is finished with book one, what do you guys think will be in the first season of Amazon's Wheel of Time show? Do you think they will finsh season one as book one did (lord I hope not, too rushed) or will they even go so far as to mix up a couple books?

I can see them stopping the season before getting to the end of book one, but you also know how people think and they will say you almost need that additional tension at the end of the book in season one of a TV series. I personally think they can find the tension elsewhere in the story and don't need to whip through to get to the end of book 1 by the end of the first season, it would be way too rushed, but you know execs!!  >:(

I enjoyed the heck out of book one, but, for television, for a season, do you think they can just world/character build only? Maybe only use the first ferry conflict as mid season tension and then maybe have the ending of the series be at Shadar Logoth? They may do that ... I guess it depends on how many episodes. I think if they do 6 ... or maybe even 8 episodes they could end the first season there, but ... yeah, I guess it depends on pacing as well.

I say if Netflix can have success with shows like the Crown, which I enjoy, they can damn sure do this show as a well paced, slower show!!!

And of course, another thing, it is so much harder to bring novels, especially ones of this size, into a shorter time frame because much is always lost. I know the show will piss Jimmy off for that reason alone (along with many others I am sure :)), but I just hope it is slow paced enough to get it right, yet fast paced enough to keep the viewers. I don't want say ... The Witcher pacing on a show that demands much more character development due to not only the way the characters are written, but the sheer amount of them
 :D
 :)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on February 06, 2020, 10:08:38 AM
And hey, if you want to see the new "leaked" image (photo) of ... a scene from the series  ::) ....  :D ... and don't worry, even if you haven't read the book it isn't what I would call a spoiler shot ... click HERE (https://i.imgur.com/wcwkGrk.jpg)

I wonder if ... and this part is spoiler stuff so beware .... I wonder if this is

1- After the Trolloc attack on Emond's Field, early in book 1 (but I don't think Rand was there for that. Damn memory)
2- After the ferry separation and after Mat has the dagger (and thus his look)
3- A dream sequence
4- Something else
 :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on February 09, 2020, 07:01:07 AM
Yeah sorry, the wife was away at a teacher conference for 4 days, so it was solo with the 2 kiddos-and one with a sinus infection. I haven't had much time to say anything!!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on February 11, 2020, 06:57:08 PM
The other part I believe in is that if you can't do the entire series, all 14 books, then what's the point of doing a single season? Or a single book? Or...maybe only 3 books. Or 4. I mean, they would have to, quite honestly, film year round to prevent everyone from aging out of the roles.

Unless they would always recast new people for each 'book'. Like the Crown! That may be fun! :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on February 26, 2020, 01:25:29 PM
I don't like these, Jimmy, but what do you think?
The newly available Wheel of Time dust covers by Juniper
Would you do this?




Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on March 04, 2020, 11:56:19 AM
While I wait for Jimmy's thoughts on the matter above  :P

 ;D :D

I just finished Joe Abercrombie first book in The First Law series, The Blade Itself and Jeff per our oh so brief discussion, I do think you should get it ... unless you want to wait  ;D That is up to you, but I strongly recommend this book. Hopefully it will continue to be good, at least for the next two books, but yeah, it was good!!

It is a little different than Kings of the Wyld but it is also very similar. It doesn't wrap up in one book like KotW, or like KotW seems to at least  ;) but there are similarities. There is a group, or a "band" involved in this book as well, there are fantastic characters throughout and it has a lot of action without being too ... actiony?  :D.

The last half is even better than the first, and that is a great thing.

I say take a swing, buddy. I think you will enjoy this one. But don't forget to listen to the sample, the one I had above somewhere, to make sure the narrator doesn't bother you. I love him, but certain people sometimes don't like certain other people's tones, accents or speech patterns, so just double check?

And then ENJOY!!!

And Jimmy, my man, just hang in there. It sucks I found out what I found out and sucks more they won't change it, but I do get another credit in about a month, so just hang in there as I also think you will like it
 :)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on March 04, 2020, 01:15:48 PM
Thanks Perry - I will add it to my library so it is there.  I've stalled out on my book "listening" as I catch up on some podcasts but if it is already there I'm more likely to get to it sooner.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on March 04, 2020, 09:00:23 PM
I won't lie,I got a good little chill seeing them all lined up in a row like. But... Then I lose all the original art work, and the memories associated with that too... No,I wouldn't do that myself. But man, what a good racket juniper has for creating that element to sell!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on March 05, 2020, 04:36:25 AM
But man, what a good racket juniper has for creating that element to sell!

RIGHT?? I hear they have more, but I keep forgetting to go look.  ;D

I agree though, I wouldn't change it, although I think my reason is only because I don't like the way they did the cover, at all.

But yeah, your shelf looks fine the way it is with that original art  8)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on March 22, 2020, 03:08:53 AM
Okay, it's time ...

Joe Abercrombie's First Law Trilogy -

I am currently on the second book, about 2/3rds done and guys ... oh, I think you are gonna love this stuff.

Again, it is like a mix of Song of Ice and ... Game of Thrones (to make Jimmy happy, he loves the fact it is known by that now instead of its true name  ;) ;D), Kings of the Wyld and ... what I imagine ... Tolkien's Silmarillion would be (I've only heard a little bit about what it is about. Never read it, so not 100% sure on that  :))

No spoilers, but ... oh ... I better not even try and say anything.  :D I'm just trying to get the juices before you guys read the first book, THE BLADE ITSELF. But no cheating!!! Just wait to read the book(s), no peeking. Don't spoil anything for yourselves. You will do no favors to Google one damn thing about this series. Okay?
 ;D

Jeff, you said you got it soon after we talked about it, you gonna get that jump on Jimmy? You know he is a very fast reader. Heck I think he got through Kings of the Wyld in three days or so.
 :o
Us "normal" readers can't keep the pacing of that speed reading beast  ;D

(Man, I should probably stop hyping this book. You guys may hate it)
 :D :D

Ya know what? It isn't a good book series at all!!!
 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on March 22, 2020, 06:43:48 PM
Iím still working (slowly) on book two of the Wheel of Time series.  But Iíll line it up for when Iím done with that.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on March 22, 2020, 07:11:54 PM
Ok! My name is in the queue for The Blade itself, I'm number 40, of people trying to get 1 of 5 copies, so we'll see!!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on March 23, 2020, 02:14:14 AM
Iím still working (slowly) on book two of the Wheel of Time series.  But Iíll line it up for when Iím done with that.

Hurry!
 ;)

Ok! My name is in the queue for The Blade itself, I'm number 40, of people trying to get 1 of 5 copies, so we'll see!!

Oh, okay. Well then, let me know if you get it soon, like in the next 8 days or so and I will adjust my plan ;)

And is that the audio version? You may be better off trying to reserve the second book, Before They Are Hanged (what I am listening to now) if they have it and if you can keep it out for a few weeks. But up to you.
 :)

EDIT - and while you wait, Jimbo, if you want to listen to a free audio book or read one for that matter, Scribd is now offering a free 30 day trail, NO CREDIT CARD NEEDED. The options are limited in this free selection, but I did see the have Tolkien, Mark Lawrence and Gaiman (if you want to listen to any of their books you haven't yet gotten to).
You should be able to click THIS LINK (https://www.scribd.com/audiobooks/Fiction/Science-Fiction-Fantasy) and get to the Fantasy section, but let me know if you can't or it doesn't work and I will send you a different one to the main page.
Again, no credit card needed at all, your free trail just expires and you can't read further unless you then pay, so hey, sounds great.
(And yes, I looked for First Law but they don't have it  :-\)

But hey, don't tie yourself down either, First Law is the goal here
 :D ;D ;D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on March 30, 2020, 08:20:27 AM
First Law Update!

So I finished Before They are Hanged, book 2 of Abercrombie's First Law Trilogy and just started Book 3 "The Last Argument of Kings". 

Book two was just as fun as the first but we learn more about the characters and they learn more about each other as well.. I do have a question for the series, as ... well, crap, I can't say much at this time, but yeah, there is something here that I find ... curious.  :D

Waiting for my boys, my homey's to get started on this series is killing me!!!
 ;D

Gonna keep posting nonsense like this until they finally begin the damn series so I can talk about book one!
 ;D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 04, 2020, 11:10:56 AM
Only the first 2 chapters of The Blade itself;

I don't like the pronunciation of "Al-BEE-no", and 'gri-MACE-ing.'

Huh? What up with that?

But I"m with it!! ;D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on April 04, 2020, 11:26:53 AM
Ok I guess Iíll abandon Wheel of Time and move on to this.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on April 04, 2020, 12:55:09 PM
I don't like the pronunciation of "Al-BEE-no", and 'gri-MACE-ing.'

Yeah, them damn English and the way they pronounce some of those English words ... I hear ya!  ;D
I don't know about you, but I use the URB BAY-zil (which has a hard A with a "Z" sound) when I cook and they use the HERb BAH-zil (with a soft sheep sound and a "Zed") when they cook
  :D :D

EDIT - I will admit I was well done with the first book before I realized he was saying the word "Shanka" for the flatheads and not just mispronouncing the "R" in what I thought was the word "Shanker"
 :D :D

Ok I guess Iíll abandon Wheel of Time and move on to this.

Don't abandon, just put aside for a bit.
 ;D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 04, 2020, 01:06:46 PM
IT's Shanka not Shanker?! LOL news to me lol!!

I had to look up characters, because I could not tell if the character was named  Doctor, Dokka, or what (it's Glokta).

THAT'S the only problems I truly have with audiobooks; if I cant see at one time the lettered spelling of the fantasy words, I get slowed down in listening to the book trying to 'interpret' what the word is in my brain. Especially when I listen to it at 1.7 speed or so.

(also, really digging the melancholy memory waxing of very early Logen stuff)

Like, Perry, Jeff, listening to Wheel of Time would probably have driven me insane trying to figure out the spellings or what words were being said!  :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on April 04, 2020, 01:20:40 PM
Like, Perry, Jeff, listening to Wheel of Time would probably have driven me insane trying to figure out the spellings or what words were being said!  :D

Yeah, but some of us are not quite as anal about it so we don't care  ;) ;D

Messing with you of course, but other than noticing it wasn't Shanker, I don't care how you spell the stuff. I prefer the vocals, hearing the characters more than seeing their names. Plus the best thing about the audio book is you know how to pronounce the damn things.

But yeah, Glockta, Glokcta, Glokta, I don't care, I know who I am listening to ;D

And be careful looking up spelling man, A sure fire way to get spoilers in fantasy books. I learned the hard way. I will never again look up another character until I am caught up with the series in question
 :)
EDIT - or I have you to ask
 :D ;D :D :D 8) 8)

As for your 1.7 speed, I don't know how you can do that man.  :) I tried it, but I found I missed all all the nuances of speech and the verbal banter too much when I do it that way. I want to do it, I would love to knock out a book in almost half the time, but I just can't do it. I'm not knocking ya, I'm jealous
 :'(

And hey, do you mean you are through chapter 2 or are you up to, at chapter 2 and that is counting the prologue?
Just want to make sure if I say something I know where ya are so I don't put foot in mouth


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 04, 2020, 01:34:34 PM
I'm currently at 'Playing with Knives.' Yeah, I see the chapters are not numbered, so it's still Part 1.

I don't always stay at 1.7-1.5. Conversations I'll slow down for as well. Explaining what the woods or city looks like? Eh, 1.7 for me then. :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on April 04, 2020, 03:06:37 PM
 ;D
Right on!!!
 ;D
Good idea!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 05, 2020, 11:21:49 AM
Chapter 11 'On the List'

17 h 38 m to go.


<<<JEFF AVOID>>>


I'm enjoying the slow building of the ...uh, world buidling. :)

There's one part where there is a growing plot, which I'm enjoying following. Logen's Lament, as I listen to it, actually reminds me of some short story stuff I had written for myself; the aged fighter, the one that's left, looking back at his 'glory' and calling it 'for what?'

But man, too many lisps!!!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 05, 2020, 11:42:41 AM
And Perry, the Mazalan series is something on my 'modern list' of classics and need to read. Only heard great things about it too. Published after...what, 92, 96? I wouldn't expect it to be Tolkien-, or Jordanesque.

But I want to read it!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on April 06, 2020, 03:07:14 AM
But I want to read it!

Yeah, that is a commitment I will have to wait awhile for. I have so much to read coming into this game so late.

After I get up here, with Abercrombie, I still need to get back to book 3 of Wot, plus I want to try that Gentlemen Bastards series that everyone seems to praise. And that is still just the tip of the iceberg


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 06, 2020, 05:21:39 AM
I just went to look up the Gentleman Bastard author Scott Lynch; he's got the same birthday as me April 2! Lol, but a year older though than me.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on April 06, 2020, 05:37:39 AM
Crap, yeah, forgot to send the birthday wishes, even after I knew  >:( >:( >:(

Sorry, Jimbo!

anyway, I see from where you are ... or were at one point  ;D ... you have met
Fenris the Feared!!
Loved that intro to him

Also, while I am here, and going back a chapter or so from where you were ...
I really enjoyed Logen's journey to reach the "First of the Magi", Bayaz. It really opened up the character of Ninefingers for me. From the decision to carry the apprentice to our even earlier discovery that he talks to spirits, which I was NOT expecting from a barbarian like himself. And the fact he sucks up the spirit, keeping it under his tongue to use as fire starter material when he needs it to set that guy on fire later :D :D Just not something I expect from a barbarian. Especially as I had set him, as I always seem to do, in the mold of Conan. I guess that is an easy thing as he is the most famous of the "barbarian" archetypes ... and a true favorite of mine anyway.  :)

Jeff? You started yet?
 :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 06, 2020, 07:08:48 AM
I do like a world with a bit of magic. I don't like that magic seems to be fading, but seems to be a lot of current fantasy books; mankind has lost the ways of old and must grub in the dirt to succeed. Now, I type that and it sounds like an awfully cast stone even at this book; it's not! I just like my Tolkien influenced fantasy as well.

I REALLY like Bayaz as well.
Fading powers or not, when he faces Bethod, Calder and Scale, and their pitiful 'sorceress' I was like YEAH I want to follow that man.

Agreed on Logen. Already a big turning point with Qwai and Pot. Poor Pot!

(also, I don't know how much to put in spoilers or not!!)

I'm through Chapter 13 as the narrator says. Meeting the Northman 'diplomat' and their pronunciaton of intent was awesome!

And man, does he write Jezel as the most vain, narcissistic, self centered man I've ever read through.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 06, 2020, 07:10:51 AM

Also, maybe at 1.4+ speed, more of the narrator's voice may become more 'lispy' just due to the speed and his accent together. But, I hear the obvious lisp with Glotka, and then Hoff, and King Guslav too. Is it just me, or was it in the narration?


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on April 06, 2020, 07:11:21 AM
Lol no I havenít.  Quarantine at home has actually given me less free time!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on April 06, 2020, 07:39:11 AM

Also, maybe at 1.4+ speed, more of the narrator's voice may become more 'lispy' just due to the speed and his accent together. But, I hear the obvious lisp with Glotka, and then Hoff, and King Guslav too. Is it just me, or was it in the narration?

Well, this may come up later, I am not remembering when some of this was discussed, so sorry for spoilers if you have yet to get to this,
but with Inquisitor Glokta, I put the narration style with the lisps in his vocals, being pretty much based on the torture (especially to his mouth) that he endured while he was captured by the Gurkish.

As for other lisps or manner of speaking ... just different regional British tones ... I don't notice any other ... what I would call lisps or anything, really. Certainly different tongue positions and syllable variances but within typical "blue blood" speaking.  ;D I think the main reason is that the narrator is English and he has about 30 different voices to try and come up with  ;D I personally love Glokta's speech and vocalization as it reminds of an old British cartoon I used to watch
 ;D

Oh, and yes,
Bayaz facing Bethod and his little witch ... hahaha, shut her ass down with a quickness!!
:D :D

And HERE (https://atlasoficeandfireblog.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/first-law-map-with-scale.png) is a map that may come in handy in a few more chapters ... Or at some point anyway
 ;D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 06, 2020, 07:49:55 AM
I expect it with Glotka, with the others the 's' sounds maybe just sounds that way from the accent, to be honest.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on April 06, 2020, 08:21:12 AM
I expect it with Glotka, with the others the 's' sounds maybe just sounds that way from the accent, to be honest.

Could be. I'm not really hearing it, but I went to a shit ton of rock concerts as a young one  so my ears may be missing it ;D
Haha. Had a great hook-up when I was in my late teens as my ex-wife (girlfriend at the time) was a manager for this music store called "Tracks" (ever hear of those? I was never sure how nationwide they were and could have only been local, but I don't think so). Anyway ... she was able to get us backstage passes from time to time, meet and greats almost all the time (Sadly, as that is when I found the Nikki Sixx was a dickhead!!) and we were almost always locked in for spots right under the speakers at concerts.
 :D
I will never forget that damn canon AC/DC had for that damn song "For Those About To Rock ..."

"For those about to rock ... Fire"

BOOM

 :o :o :o :o :o

*ringing in ears for the next hour
 :-\

 :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 06, 2020, 08:57:49 AM
And I'm betting on your dinosaur halycon days of yore, ear plugs were not a thing. ;)

It took about a half dozen concerts of Metallica, Anthrax, Priest and Motorhead and said 'nope! I need ear plugs!' 8) :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on April 07, 2020, 02:57:50 AM
And I'm betting on your dinosaur halycon days of yore, ear plugs were not a thing. ;)

 :D :D
Yep, correct. Well, that and being totally stupid and not wanting to do it  ::)!!!

Never saw Motorhead.  :-\ I only saw Anthrax when they opened for Ozzie, the ... the second time I saw him, I think ...?... and they, like every single band that I saw with Ozzie, in the three times I saw him, sounded so much better than he did that it was ridiculous.
 >:(
Anthrax was great, really fun (loved how they played up "Got the Time" with the audience), Ozzie's band was great, Ozzie was horrible. Each. And. Every. Time.

Hmmm, Just thought about it more and ... yeah ... Zach was the guitarist then, I think ... so maybe it was the third and final time I saw Ozzie?? ... Damn ... I can't remember now
 :D


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 08, 2020, 07:35:14 PM
I'll be finishing the book tomorrow. Probably during morning cartoons. Only a little over 2 hours left.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on April 09, 2020, 02:28:08 AM
I await your thoughts
 :)

Off now to see again where that first book ends, so I don't say too much in response. I still have about 11 hours left in book three, but have no true recollection as to when/how that first book ended as the story has just been one long book for me, having been listening to it and no other book since I started this trilogy
 :-\


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 09, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
Finished!

So, oddly, the book kind of just stops. Well, it stops for everyone else but Glokta, who gets his own swansong soliquoy to the book. He's getting sent south to investigate a city, surrounded by enemies, and he has to take Practica l Vitari with him.

LOVED the Bloody Nine chapter. A barbarian entering a RAGE!!! What coolness!

I did enjoy the chapter part where Ferro was overhearing the conversation between Bayaz and Yulwei; as Bayaz talks about needing certain people for his trip and task-so, a very SPECIFIC need for a barbarian who speaks to spirits, a woman who doesn't get hurt or need healing, but what can Jezel offer? Hmmm

Also...fuck, Jezel, can you think of anything else at all about yourself? His obnoxiousness knows no boundaries!!

I found myself most fascinated with Collem West; I loved that he started getting chapters himself, to see a commoner raised up to such a high officer position, and I loved reading about his status when dealing with the nobility and blooded of the city.

I looked up reviews early on just to get a feel of the book; it's not nearly such a grimdark novel as it was labeled as. I was quite pleased with this book. In fact, man, when Logen's old band tries to tell Bethod of the shanka's in the north? Where the Weakest Forley WALKS freely to his own death-and does die for it!!-loved the group's reaction in the fight, as well as the funeral for him as well.




Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on April 10, 2020, 01:53:27 PM
Your comment about
the books end, the way it kinda just stops, is something I probably should have warned you about. This is a trilogy but most books, in series or not, tend to have it set for some sort of actual ending of each book. Yeah, this is not like that. It is almost as if the book was complete as one book and they just split it in thirds ... like they did another epic fantasy (LoTR)  ;D
 It didn't bother me as I had book #2 raring to go as soon as the fist ended, but I guess I should have warned you.
 :-\ Not that it ruins the book, but yeah, it isn't a really satisfying end to book one when you don't have book #2.

The "Rage" from Logen is AMAZING!!!!
(and I have a theory on it, but I need to wait until you get through book 2)
 ;)

I won't speak of Jezel yet. Again, I need ya to get the second book!!!  ;D

Love West also

And yes, it is not as "Grimdark" as I was expecting either. I heard he (Abercrombie) was like the king of grimdark and yet I found the book to be not so bad at all. Sure it isn't say as bright as some books, but it is no Song of Ice and Fire, either. It has it's moments, it shouldn't be read by anyone under 14 or 15, but it isn't that bad ... as far as dark books go at least.

I found it perfection.  ;D

Now I just have to wait for you to get book 2 ... and for Jeff to start the damn thing
 ;D ;D
Ready for your free book when you sign up for audible? Or hell, ask for the silver package, the one I have, and it cost $15 every two months ... you only get one book every two months, but ...
 :D
(and heck, if you do decide to sign up for audible, Silver (every other month) or regular (gold - every month) just let me send the link to you so I get credit for it  ;D)

But hey, at least try and hit your library up and see if you can grab book two - Before They Are Hanged, there ... or maybe they can order it for you? Mine does that. Maybe even in audio format as ... well ... I just love this audiobook but I am sure you would like the paper version as well!! But yeah, if they don't have it, they can order them!!!

I've been busy the last two days, the wife took 10 days off (Now I am like Jeff, no time alone!!!  :o :o :o    ;D) and not had a chance to get to my book in awhile. Still have about 11 hours or so left and it is killing me!!!

I want to say more about book one, but I can't think right now, but I will be back!!
 ;D
Soon!



Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jeff on April 10, 2020, 03:27:19 PM
And I still have not had the time to listen to this or any other book!  Mainly killed it because of no drive time to work which is where I do most of my Audible listening.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 10, 2020, 04:41:32 PM
And I still have not had the time to listen to this or any other book!  Mainly killed it because of no drive time to work which is where I do most of my Audible listening.

Samesies!

I probably would have been done sooner if I would have had my commute. ;)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 10, 2020, 04:44:22 PM
Perry, I am thinking of doing the free trial from Audible and getting book 2. Or, I'll check my library's digital availability for the books 2 & 3.

I know it sounds cheap enough, but I'm just buying...well, anything right now. ;)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on April 10, 2020, 05:42:12 PM
And I still have not had the time to listen to this or any other book!  Mainly killed it because of no drive time to work which is where I do most of my Audible listening.

Go for a walk, sir.  :D :D
(Ahhh, walking ... that is when I usually listen to my books but the wife being off these last few days has killed that as she wants to walk with me? WTF??  :D No, I get ya, Jeff, just messing with ya. I get what you mean, no time truly alone. Trust me I do)
 :D

I know it sounds cheap enough, but I'm just buying...well, anything right now. ;)

Hell, I get ya, I understand! I would certainly ask the library to get it anyway. Why buy when you can borrow?
 ;)
but just if you do go the audible route ...  ;D

But I hope the library (or used book store even) has the book if not the audio.



Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on April 12, 2020, 02:59:08 AM
Hey Jimmy, Just to let you know, if your library turns out to be a no-go and you still want to read the next two books ... and you just want to save some money for now ... who among us doesn't  ;D ... there is another, different, audiobook company has been trying to enter the game for a few and they just sent out an e-mail on their latest promotion.

Sign up for a free month trial and get TWO free books (it says 3 free, but I only assume that one, I am almost sure, comes with a hitch). I figure as fast as you read, you could get through the next two books of First Law before the month was out.
 ;D
PERFECT!!!

I am thinking about signing up anyway, as they appear to be cheaper than Audible {EDIT - And no, they are the same. I thought they were 2 credits a month for $15, but they are 1 credit, just like Audible-end EDIT}, but I need to get more information on stuff like their app, how it streams, the DL ability, library content, etc ...cheaper is not always a better deal after all, but heck, for a try out, for you ... this would be an option, yeah?
(Just make sure you cancel before the end of the time period if you want to cancel!!!)

I did that with audible a few years ago, before deciding to join ... used their free month, got out and then came back to them a few months later, so don't feel bad about using a free month. It is there for that reason. Because they know you will want to keep going at some point.
 ;D

Anyway, I can't speak on the quality, but I am sure it is good, so if ya want to try it out, to at least get past the second book  ;D HERE (https://www.audiobooks.com/signup) is the link
(And no, I am not affiliated with them nor do I get any credit from this, just trying to get you through this great series as quickly as I can, buddy)
 :)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on April 15, 2020, 02:43:51 PM
Any luck at finding #2 at the library, Jimmy?


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 17, 2020, 07:54:25 AM
Ah, it's been a bit of a brief pause for me here currently. Just some life stuff, and trying to find a good place.


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on April 17, 2020, 08:54:30 AM
Alright, buddy.
Best thoughts and wishes are what I'm sending!


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on April 27, 2020, 02:44:00 AM
FINISHED!

The First Law "trilogy" is done, and I am kinda pissed!
 >:(

Without spoilers, as I still think you guys should read/finish this, the reason why I am mad is that the same thing happened at the end of this third book that happened at the end of the first and second book ... it ended without an ending. Now, for an ongoing series of books, which this obviously is (I have had the next one in my Audible library for quite awhile now), what it ends up being is a great, fun, exciting, heartwarming (rarely) and brutal (often) read, a great set of three books. However, the one thing it is not? An F'n "trilogy". Sure, technically it is, hell any series of books with at least 3 in its run at some point is a trilogy by definition, but to me it takes more than just having the term trilogy on your books to be a trilogy, there should be an appropriate end to some of the story by the end of the book. Not here. We are left with so many questions ... so many things left still to be resolved, it is ... its .... well, it just gets me.

Now again, I have the next book so I am not left hanging, but if I didn't? If this was truly the book that I THOUGHT was the last in the series? I mean why call a story a trilogy when it leaves almost everything that was brought forth in the story unanswered? Okay, that isn't truly what happened, we do get lots of answers and lots of endings, but at the same time, we are shown more and more of them throughout this last book that yes, we are almost "back to a new beginning".

Now I am not taking about a prologue, or something that denotes the end of this series of three and a sneak peek into the next, no, the story just keeps going ... until it doesn't.

WTF?!?!?!

What if, at the end of Return of the Jedi, the last scene we were shown was the force field that surrounding the new Death Star being shutdown. The Rebels reach the spot, shut off the satellite dish and then ... ROLL THE DAMN CREDITS!!!! That is what this feels like.

A tease is a tease, but damn it, Joe!!!
 ;D ;D

Still, what we are shown here is fantastic. A great series this will be. Series. That is what this is. What it isn't ...  is a trilogy!
 ::)

Now I have to decide if I want to start the 4th book in this next "trilogy"  ::) ::) or if I want to return to book 3 of Wheel of Time, start the new Stephen King book that just hit or finally dive into the Gentlemen Bastards series. I am not sure yet what I want to read, but I am sure I will enjoy. Hopefully as much as I did this!
 :) 8)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Jimmy T on April 27, 2020, 11:04:41 AM
I will say a partial "ARGH!!" to that, but eh, reading is reading, and there's nothing wrong with reading!

(is what I'll say now before having the product myself)


Title: Re: Jimbo! Fantasy stuff ...
Post by: Perry on June 08, 2020, 05:36:09 AM
Sooo, I've been doing a little more (a lot more) "reading" (listening to audio books) as of late so just thought I would update.

I did finish "A Little Hatred", book 7 (kind of) in Joe Abercrombie's world (The First Law Trilogy, the First Law World Trilogy and this, the first book of his new Age of Madness Trilogy). I have yet to go back and listen to the 3 "First Law World" books which are not books in order, but books featuring/showcasing characters of that world. Sorta like a spotlight feature with stories happening before First Law, or so I've been told. Still something I probably could have done before reading A Little Hatred.

A Little Hatred is, like all the other ones I have read from Abercrombie, a very well done book. I have no problems with the story, plot, characters, etc and I do enjoy everything ... other than the way he uses the world trilogy in a manner that I hate; not ending any book, or even the trilogy, with a damn ending!!
 >:(

 ;D
Once you get past that, the story is amazing! I still recommend this entire world, fully!!! Especially the audio!!!

After finishing that book, instead of going into the First Law World books, I decided I needed a break from fantasy. Well, as it turns out I went back into fantasy but not in the same form.
 :D

I decided to listen to my boy Stephen Fry's Mythos. A book about Greek Mythology. I have always loved that topic and I really enjoy Fry's voice and way of writing so when I found out the Audible US had finally received the green light to have his second book in the series, Heroes: The Greek Myths Reimagined, and still having 4 gifted credits to use, I jumped at the chance to get it along with the aforementioned Mythos at the same time.

It was a nice, much needed break ... for awhile  ;D I reached the halfway point and it hit me, that as much as I am enjoying the retelling and clarifying of my beloved Greek Myths, I also missed the telling of totally new tales. So I went ahead and decided that I would listen to Mythos while I was in the car and when I was out for a walk with the dog I would listen to my next title that I have been trying to get to. A great compromise.
 ;D

So,, while I (and the wife, now  ;D) am still listening to Mythos, I also started Scott Lynch's "The Lies of Locke Lamora" (Gentlemen Bastards Trilogy: book 1)

Now what I can tell you about this? I think it is going to be a very cool book. It seems to be setting up to be along the lines of Count of Monte Cristo ... ish. A book I really love. I can also tell you that while it is far too early for me to recommend this book as a "must read", it is not too early to tell you to not, not matter what, get this as an audio book.

The narrator reads/sounds like Monte Python doing Shakespeare in the Park. It is not good, at all. There is one character in here at an early point of the book that sounds like freakin' Depp's damn Captain of the Black Pearl. UGH. Dude rolls his "r"s so much at times it almost sounds like an inside joke. I don't know how this guy got the job, nor do I know he he got the job of narrating another Fantasy series that I have on my list (that I will never get to it seems) with Book of the Fallen by Steven Erikson. I really wanted to add that to my list, but with his name attached (after the first 3 I think), I don't see it happening.

Now I hope I get used to his voice more, I am going to finish this audio as I have heard this book is really, really good, but so far it is starting off as a struggle.

I will let you know how it goes.
 :)