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Title: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on September 16, 2019, 09:51:18 AM
Ahhhh, the sweet taste of victory. Starting the season 2-0 sure is nice.

DAMN IT!!!!

Tomlin suuuuucks.

And my goodness, I have never seen a "decent" WR fall to the bottom of the suck pile like Moncrief. WTF???? He can't catch a cold, as the old timers say.
 ;)


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on September 16, 2019, 10:07:00 PM
I'd say "What were thinking getting rid of Antonio Brown?"  but then of course, it's Antonio Brown that's why.

Will Big Ben be out next week?


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on September 16, 2019, 11:02:53 PM
Out for the year


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on September 16, 2019, 11:14:28 PM
Ouch.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on September 17, 2019, 11:46:47 AM
Ouch.

That's okay, not like we were blowing people away with him this year. I like Mason Rudolph, the new starter, especially because I have him on my fantasy team (and NEED him too as I only have the Colts Brissett after Luck screwed me, thought only for himself and not us fantasy guys, and retired!!  >:()

 ;) :D


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on September 17, 2019, 10:05:47 PM
I had Big Ben as my backup in the HeroRealm league.  Thankfully, I have Deshaun Watson as my starter.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on September 19, 2019, 01:01:31 AM
What a year already;3 starting qbs out (yes, counting Luck with Brees and Roethlisberger).

Can the Packers play defense for all the year? Here's hoping!

Will Dallas continue to look like the wunderkin of the league, but eventually fade, self destruct, or implode again?

Who will beat the Patriots int he AFC championship game? Anyone? Can the Chiefs maybe actually do it this time?


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on September 19, 2019, 01:36:45 AM
Will Dallas continue to look like the wunderkin of the league, but eventually fade, self destruct, or implode again?

Dak was on the cover of Sports Illustrated this week.  We're toast.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on September 19, 2019, 01:14:15 PM
Oh Jeff, I'm sorry. Just when things were looking good.

 8) ;D :D


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on September 19, 2019, 01:17:58 PM
 :D :D :D :D :D

That's funny!!  ;D


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on September 23, 2019, 01:48:48 PM
Ah the Steelers
0-3 ... can't remember the last time we were sitting at that record. The last years of the Chuck Noll with Mark Malone maybe? Have to look.
Now true, we have played some good F'n teams, but good teams beat good teams.
No, let me change that, well coached teams beat good teams. I went horse yesterday screaming at some of the "coaching" decisions yesterday, especially in the last two minutes with Tomlins clock management.
 :'(

And all this is just sitting at the edge of the more personal factor for me, my fantasy team. I'm scoring in the top three or four each week, yet I keep playing the guys that score in the top two each week. Never fails. My opponent can score 47 points, 39 points and then play me and they score 144 points while I score my usual 130 or so. Meanwhile, we have an owner, in my division  >:(, that has scored a total of 120 points ... combined ... in three games ... and he is sitting at 3-0
 >:( >:(
Gotta love fantasy football!!  ;D

On a brighter note, I turned a quarter entry into $30 bucks at DraftKings this past week, so there is that. Go Cooper Kupp, whom by the way I drafted a couple years ago for my fantasy team because he shares a name with my dog, Kupp.
Hahaha
Just kidding, my dog's name is Cooper!!
(also the reason I drafted Amari Cooper and Cooper Pharoh, though that last one bombed)
 ;D
Also, again  ;D, on a side note and trying to forget both the Steelers and my woes  ;D, I also drafted, in a late round, Drew LOCK solely because I have AnDREW LUCK on my team. And yes, I still have Luck ... just in-case he changes his mind after sitting out a year.
 :D


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Wringer on September 23, 2019, 05:14:31 PM
at least Brissett did well for you


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on September 23, 2019, 09:25:42 PM
True that!
He is a solid "okay" QB. A safe, but not spectacular option. If only Hopkins, Eckler, Seattle's D could have scored a little more.
 :D (I have the Steelers D but of course sat them ... along with Kupp and Amari!!!  >:( ... but I would have still lost by 5 or so points. I think I would rather lose by a lot than by that amount  ;D)


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on October 07, 2019, 02:39:14 AM
1st half Packers.. Whoa!!

2nd half Cowboys.. Whoa! End of game Packers and Cowboys... This looks familiar...

Earl thomas hit to Mason Rudolph.. HOW IS HE NOT EJECTED!! MASON WENT UP IN THE AIR TO SEE THE THROW, AND THOMAS WENT HIGHER THAN THAT TO HIT HIM IN THE HEAD WITH HIS HELMET AS A WEAPON!! F***ING NFL!!


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on October 15, 2019, 05:41:27 PM
 ;D

I was screaming for days
"He launched!!! He is not allowed to leave his feet and lead with his helmet!!"
 ;D

I heard he sent a card to Mason apologizing. That's good I guess. And luckily all is well, it seems ... for now
 ;D


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on October 15, 2019, 09:56:16 PM
I'm in a Survivor Pool for money and I had only two Entries left for this past weekend.

I picked:
Entry 1:  Cowboys - anyone can beat the Jets right?
Entry 2:  Green Bay - At half time I was like "You've got to be kidding me."

Thank God the Packers pulled it out or I would have been totally eliminated.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on October 29, 2019, 12:03:17 PM
Well Steelers (barely) saved ya, Jeff.

And a quick story ...

I needed 20 some points from the Steelers D to win my Fantasy game this week. With under 1 minute left, I was still in need of 4 points. At or around 18 seconds left, we hit FitzMagic, the ball goes in the air, his lineman catches it, but then one of my guys rips the ball from his hands and runs in for the TD!!! The gives me 9 points (3 for the take-away and 6 for the TD). I WIN, I WIN!!!

However, no, the refs blew the whistle, blew the play over, AFTER my guy took the ball ... no take-away, no TD.
 :'(

I couldn't sleep at all last night  ;D

BUT, it was a good call. The lineman that caught the ball was in the Steelers grasp for a good bit before my guy took the ball, so it actually SHOULD have been called dead. At least they got it right, that time. The offensive pass Interference call and many more however ...??
 :-\


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on October 29, 2019, 09:08:52 PM
Oh man!!  I feel for ya Jimmy!  Those type of roller coasters kill me sometimes.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on November 05, 2019, 04:15:17 AM
Man...THAT was a crap weekend of football for me!! Glad I didn't watch that game!!


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on November 05, 2019, 12:57:17 PM
Oh man!!  I feel for ya Jimmy!  Those type of roller coasters kill me sometimes.

I just realized I called Perry “Jimmy”.  Oops!   :D


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on November 17, 2019, 10:52:14 AM
I just realized I called Perry “Jimmy”.  Oops!   :D

Well I've been called worse, for sure.
 ;D

A great explanation of Alabama QB Tua's dislocation and the difference/similarities to Bo Jackson's career ending injury. I feel so sorry for the kid (who truly loved the game). I hope he comes out okay.

HERE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3QSMsRWXLQ)


EDIT -
And then, after that, Jimmy ... how do you feel about THIS  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh6Vk_Wm9qM) stuff? You were a sports med guy, yeah (or something like that? sorry, man, I forget) Ever used it? Seems like a scam to me, but I am ignorant on this. And other things
 ;D


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on November 17, 2019, 06:02:08 PM
I am 50/50 on the efficacy of K-tape (to abbreviate it).

It's PHENOMENOL when applied to an acute injury with a lot of immediate swelling. Gets rid of all of it.

For some release of muscle tension/adhesions/trigger points, when applied appropriately, it can be effective. Not 100% of the time, but that becomes dependent on the injured person, how well they are doing home exercises and stretches, and also the 'individual' factor of whether or not the person is, well, a wuss.  8)

For improved athletic performance? For some, it works wonders. Others? Not so much. This is where research does not support K-tape, and I'm in agreement with it as well. That's when I think it's a voodoo taping, and all in the athlete's head.

It has its uses, but for me (anecdotally), it isn't as proven as it makes itself out to be.



Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on December 02, 2019, 05:10:25 PM
So! That football stuff!

So, my Packers will not last long in the Playoffs. Now, they will make the playoffs, maybe win a possible wildcard (but not if that wildcard happens to be Seattle or San Fran; maybe the Vikings?). Unless they find that mysterious ‘get hot’ card, but I just don’t believe it.

Those Steelers, Perry, they just don’t have quit to them! I had wondered when they were going back to Duck Hodges; he did seem a better option than Rudolph. It would certainly be interesting to see a game worthy Connor or Schuster be able to sustain playmaking capabilities. (I won’t say ‘healthy’ because few are obviously healthy; but game worthy is something else entirely).

Jeff...those Cowboys….what the fug? A dominant defense! Or maybe not. Dak is the man! Or maybe not. They’ve got the talent! Or do they? I’m sorry, Jerry is going to be real dumb. They’ll make Dak the highest paid qb in history...and he’s not worth that money. 30 mil a year? Whatever, Jerry seems dumb like that sometimes. Zeke can’t get going, and he’s a way better talent than Dak, I feel. And honestly, I really did think Dallas was going to cruise through this season, well, maybe 11-5 or something, but this pedestrian 6-6 seems a bit stunning right now.

Am I enjoying this season? You know what, I’m not sure. The ‘product’ doesn’t seem as interesting to me. F***ing rules more than anything! I used to know what a catch was! Now? Not so sure. This Pass Interefence challenge is a bullshit stopgate by the League to show they shouldn’t have it. Which is dumb, because a pure MISSED call like that NFC championship game is something the league doesn’t want. Also, the crap enforcement of rules they stress, then back off from is ridiculous and incongruent. You can’t drive a qb down to the ground. Packers lost 2 games off of calls against them due to that! Now? Only a real flagrant call happens. What about no lowering of the head by the offensive player to drive forward for yards? That shit got dropped pretty quick.

I almost really don’t blame officiating. I ‘blame’ inconsistencies of enforcement, and everyone having a seperate opinions about it, without enforcing what needs to happen. Let the refs call things by the eye-’yup, looks like a catch to me-feet down, ball in hands, no help from the ground-good!’ and if that’s wrong, because it’s fast, check the replay, screw 1/16th speed, and let them go ‘oh no shit? That other foot did drag; okay it’s a catch.’ this continuing motion to the ground, if settled in hands can touch the ground while following through the action of completing a catch during a football move.

WTF? Just play ball.

Also...I’m more or less looking forward to this Niners-Ravens Superbowl. Sure, it’d be cool if Brees/Saints would get there and win, as his window is really closing, and well, they got cheated of the chance like twice (okay, one blown tackle/hit ‘miracle’ and another blown call). There’s no Pats in the SB this year. I have no faith that the Chiefs can really summon up a monster game to get past the Ravens. What about Tennessee? That’s a playoff game where the team needs to come up big in all the things that they do so well. I think they’ll ‘make noise’ in the playoffs.




Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on December 02, 2019, 05:33:20 PM
Jeff...those Cowboys….what the fug? A dominant defense! Or maybe not. Dak is the man! Or maybe not. They’ve got the talent! Or do they? I’m sorry, Jerry is going to be real dumb. They’ll make Dak the highest paid qb in history...and he’s not worth that money. 30 mil a year? Whatever, Jerry seems dumb like that sometimes. Zeke can’t get going, and he’s a way better talent than Dak, I feel. And honestly, I really did think Dallas was going to cruise through this season, well, maybe 11-5 or something, but this pedestrian 6-6 seems a bit stunning right now.

They have not beat a single team with a winning record.  Think about that for the "this is the superbowl year!" team.  I've never been one to blame Garrett but man, this makes no sense.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on December 03, 2019, 10:12:03 AM
I am soooo damn glad Rudolph is gone. I liked the kid at first and thought he may develop, but he has regressed so badly week after week ... not willing to take a shot downfield, no pocket presence, arm strength has actually gotten less over time and he is too slow going through his reads/holding onto the ball waaaaay too long

Will "Duck" Hodges (why oh why coulnd't his last name been "Dodgers"?) be great, meh, maybe, but he is certainly better in all of the departments I mentioned Mason sucked at above.

(https://i.postimg.cc/N0rC3hhz/duckdogers.jpg)


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on December 24, 2019, 04:43:14 AM
OH I LOVE THAT THE PACKERS WIN THE DIVISION-AT MINNESOTA-AND-THEY GET TO KNEEL DOWN TO WIN THE GAME AND DIVISION!!!


BWAHAHAHAHAHA SUCK IT VIKINGS BWAHAHAHAHA!

I have no aspirations of the Lombardi trophy coming to GB this year...but we took a dagger to the Vikings' nation heart at home. It's as if the Packers proved-again-what a bad signing Cousins was...and only the Packers reap the benefits of it.

They even spotted the Vikings 10 points off of turnover!!

BWAHAHAHHA!!!


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on December 24, 2019, 03:27:52 PM
Congrats Jimmy!  At least someone I know will be in the playoffs.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on December 30, 2019, 01:19:36 AM
Jeff, what's the in-state opinion on Jason Garrett?


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on December 30, 2019, 01:10:11 PM
Jeff, what's the in-state opinion on Jason Garrett?

Most think it’s time for him to go.  He is still well liked and thought of as a good coach but clearly he needs to move on.  We have too much talent not to make the playoffs.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on December 30, 2019, 02:48:51 PM
Sadly, Jerry Jones will never (again) hire the coach he needs. A coach that will tell him to STFU and let him coach. He and Jimmy Johnson went at each other like cats and dogs yet the coach did what he had to do and they won. A lot. But Jerry wants ... needs ... a yes man in the roll. His choices for coaches since Jimmy's departure (other than Bill Parcels ... who other than finding Romo didn't have a great group of guys in my eyes) is proof of that. Switzer? Gailey? Phillips? Weak ass men that can't stand up to the man in charge, even when they need to. I'm not even going to touch on freaking Dave Campo!!  ::)

Hell, Aikman wants to be the GM there but said he would never, will never do it as long as Jerah' is the owner as he knows Jerah' wants to be GM, Coach, Trainer, Owner and at least 5 or 6 other positions.

Meanwhile, the Steelers, came one game shy of possibly making a horrible coach (in my opinion) the Coach of the year!?!! There was actually talk of that a few weeks ago. Because we backed into wins regardless of his stupid calls, stupid game plans and lack of adjusting to game flow, the talk was he was in line for coach of the year. Ridiculous.
Like yesterday (which I am soooo damn happy we lost and didn't make the playoffs ... we would have been slaughtered in front of the world) I stopped watching the game when after half-time he still had Duck F'n Hodges in at QB instead of using this time to see if the also horrible Paxton Lynch could be ANYTHING worth a spot next year. We sure as hell know the Duck and Mason "I can't guide a sled on a clear night" Rudolph are not deserving of a roster spot next year, so why not see of Paxton deserves at least a spot on the practice squad?? Tennessee was already up by 2 TDs and it was obvious they were going to win, why not take a shot at a spark? You did after all go for it on 4th and 9 from our own 34 yard line a few games ago and not by way of a passing play, oh no, you chose to go for a running play and to top it off you didn't hike it to the "up man" making it only 12 yards we needed to get ... with a guy that is used to rushing ... oh no, you decided it would be better to USE OUR DAMN SLOW ASS PUNTER?!?!?!?! So you hike the ball 10 F'n yards back to the punter, making it now 19 yards from THAT spot that he has to run?!?!?! With brilliant decisions like that how could you not win coach of the year???
 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
 >:( >:( >:( >:(
 >:( >:( >:(
 >:( >:(


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on December 31, 2019, 05:35:10 AM
I had kind of thought that would be Jeff's answer, and from this Wisconsin guy, that's about what I would think I was led to believe from media and other accounts.

However, I believe that I would have a response like Perry did for Tomlin, but in media circles, and this layperson viewer, would think that he is a pretty decent coach. However, Perry would disagree there. :D

That said, I'm hopeful about Matt LaFleur with the Packers here. But man, even with a 13-3 year, it was rough. <ok yes, yes, I'm getting glares from the both of you>

But there have been whole halves, in damn near every other game this season, where no offense happens. At all. And some of the plays that have come during each of those 3 and outs were...f***ing dumb. Like, 'what are you thinking LaFleur?' You got the job, who are you trying to impress. I mean, against the Bears, I think there were 3 3 and outs where they didn't move the ball a foot. Like, where the hell is a damn slant? Just throw a damn slant pass. Do it. How about the TE 8 yard curl and stop? Some of that definitely comes on Rodgers; just throw the ball. Throw the damn ball. Try throwing a guy open for a change, and throw it in the best place for your receiver to fight for it. He has not done that this season, or at least sparingly.

Now, don't judge this critique only by that last game; he was awful. That offense was awful. F***ing Jimmy Graham should have been ditched last year; he in no way resembles the player he was 5 years ago in New Orleans. Everyone thought the Saints were insane to trade him to Seattle; turns out, I think they knew something. Because he did not flourish in Seattle either. And the dude can't run block.

And what I wouldn't give to have Randall Cobb back from your Cowboys. A quick position receiver? Gets open enough to make that 7 yard catch? Almost every time? YES PLEASE.

This offense has not come alive in a while...and too often, I wonder if Rodgers is more suspect than not. Remember, he's had 2 broken collar bones in the last 4 years. He's 36 now...and maybe we're spoiled now with Favre, Brady, Brees, but Elway retired at 38. Marino's numbers and play really started slipping at 36, and he retired 2 years later. Montana was 38. Kurt Warner was 38. Rich Gannon 39. Eli may not play again at 38. Philipp Rivers is 38 and has lost some spark. Roethlisberger will try to come back after surgery at 39.

I'm just...sad looking at the end mortality of Rodgers' football career. 1 year, 4 years; the best may be done. And I know I'm spoiled with watching 2 consecutive Hall of Fame, Superbowl winning quarterbacks for 28 years. WOW.

But there's a wee part of my mind that worries...well...it's taken A LONG TIME for the 49ers to recover to any kind of their current greatness. Look at the Raiders post Gannon. Or if I would be a Vikings fan (I'm ignoring the obvious Browns and Bengals situation).

and no, no one deserves a ring. I also think statements of '...he should have 3 or 4 rings by now on a better team' are also dumb as hell. The Patriots are an amazing anomaly; probably never duplicated? But to say Rodgers and Favre were 'wasted' because they each only have 1 ring, or only 3 Superbowl appearances between them both is asinine. Turns out, there is this whole other part of the team called 'defense' that has a big say in what happens in those games. Would I love to have had a Superbowl win for all the NFC championship games I've watch them in (7)? Sure! But hey, that many appearances, without being the Patriots, hey, that's great for the organization and fandom too.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on December 31, 2019, 01:55:39 PM
 :D :D :D
Good rant Jimmy!!!

Jimmy's reply, in-depth and from a knowledgeable fans point of view, is exactly how I feel about Tomlin. He is a bad "Head" coach.

Oh sure, he can talk the talk, he does that with perfection, he is the one person I would have talking to the media everyday. Hell, no doubt he is a "media" guru and a motivational wordsmith beyond measure, but his lack of actually "coaching" drives me up the wall. Let's not forget (I'm not going to go into all the bad calls I have seen over the years like his "Coaches Challenge" success rate for one three year period being below 25% at one point ... and some of those were so damn obvious that Matt Murdoch, watching the game on tv, would see he would lose if he threw the flag  >:( >:() that this is the guy responsible (as much as anyone can be "responsible" for another's actions) for producing the ego monster that is Antonio Brown. Oh sure, again, Brown is his own person and should be held accountable for ALL his actions, but this "coach of men" allowed him to become the monster that Brown is today. Time after time this "head coach" let him Brown be late to meetings, this "head coach" let Brown record the locker room, this "head coach" let him talk down to other players and act like he was above any and all rules. Does Belichick allow that shit? Sean Peyton? Hell no.
And then when the Steelers organization finally says "enough" it is far too late. Brown is a guy that needed some authority or in the very least he needed some help and this "coach of the year" candidate did NOTHING but allow his crap to continue

*pant, pant, pant*
 ;D ;D


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on January 04, 2020, 08:38:50 PM
Wild card weekend!

I'm calling:
Texans over Bills
Titans over Patriots!!!!

Saints over Vikings
and....
Eagles over Seahawks!!!!


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on January 05, 2020, 05:23:32 PM
YAY Pats go down!!!

So happy about that. Man, you have no idea.

So, good calls Jimmy. Batting .1000 so far  ;D

I wanted the Bills to win, no reason really, other than I spent a lot of time at The Dirty Buffalo watching Steeler games that were not on TV and I got to know a good group of Bills fans while there. They had a real shot, but I am so confused why they didn't run the ball at all in OT and hardly at all at the end of the 4th. I mean Josh Allen was making horrible mistake after worse mistake and yet they don't run? Crazy. And the way Watson got out of the sack ... yeah, the Bills lost that game but letting them come back from 16 points down at the half.

The Patriot game... hahaha, just so much joy. Nice to see Tannehill (a QB I originally drafted before giving up on him) do so well with his new team. Hoping they go far, but I need to see who I really want in the AFC to go. I just know No Pats (check) and no Ravens .... ohhhh
 :D

Hoping for the Saints today (only because of the total reem they got last year), but won't mind to see the Vikes take it.
I'm sure Jimmy agrees.
 ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

And while I am a Seahawks fan by marriage, I am secretly pulling for the Eagles. Any team that can come back and get into the playoffs with the injuries they have had to their starters ... and the back ups to those starters ... yeah, that is my Cinderella team that I hope for.
I am sure Jeff agrees.
 ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on January 05, 2020, 09:32:38 PM
I am sure Jeff agrees.
 ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Yeah...uh...no.  Go Seahawks!

I’m of course pulling for the Texans.  If  they lose, I’ll pull the Ex-Dallas Texans now known as Kansas City Chiefs.

But I picked Baltimore to win the Super Bowl this year.  Just hoping I was wrong.   ;D


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on January 05, 2020, 09:35:56 PM
Man, I know that one play or bad call never makes or breaks a win ... sorry, you have enough plays on Def and Offense to make up for bad calls ... however ... man, the Saints got hosed again by the last TD. Rudolph pushed off like crazy and they didn't even review it?
Not a Saints fan and again, it is never one play, but daaaaaamn.
 ;D ;D ;D

Gonna hear from the Saints fans again this year how they were hosed by one bad call  ;D And it was a bad call.
(You have to review that.)


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on January 05, 2020, 11:26:32 PM
OH man, I just realized that I'm the fantasy Saints. Dammit! Across both my leagues too!!

There are always plays to make or break a game. I'm sure there are plenty of push offs in the other 59 minutes that could be called. But to not even decide to review it? C'mon!!! that is a full arm extension.

Davante Adams for the Packers has had 3 calls of offensive pass interference this year. One call was with his arm against the chest of the defender, and the defender slipped while turning back around looking for the ball, and his arm straightened out-called it!

But the refs refusing to call the right call at the end of the game, last play? Screw that!

OR, OR OR!!

Against the Texans,  That Texan guy did not down it in the end zone, flipped the ball away, the ref ran away from it, Buffalo recovered, ruled Buffalo Touchdown? But 'common sense prevailed' and they gave it back to the Texans? FUCK THAT. Either follow the Rule of Law, or all things are subjective. He didn't down the ball. It'd be the same thing if the qb went to spike, just did the motion, never let the ball hit the ground, then tossed it to the ref who didn't catch it, and it was recovered by the defense. No different.

Rules are rules. Don't decide arbitraliry 'that's what he meant to do.' That's egregious to me.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on January 06, 2020, 02:47:57 AM
I hate the Seahawks. I hate Pete Carroll so much. I'm always still bothered that he jumped ship from the Patriots when the going got tough with that team (and I maybe want to believe he said he wouldn't leave), but then he bailed from USC for Seattle when it looked like penalties would come against him due to kickbacks with the program there.

Also, that damned defense has always been so good, and Russell Wilson....just finds ways to win! With nobodies!! And that damn team wins!


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on January 06, 2020, 11:01:34 AM
Damn Philly almost pulled it off again ... after losing two more starters, one of which was their QB on a total cheap ass shot to the back of his head  >:( (meaning they almost won with a 40 year old never-was), they had a shot. Sure, not a great shot, but for a team that had been so devastated with injuries, I lift my glass in a toast. Great coaching and great drive to almost pull it off!


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on January 06, 2020, 03:38:20 PM
Congrats to the 'Boys fans out there. Talk about getting a coaching upgrade!!

Wonder what Jimmy thanks though. He may have more "fan" insight than us other guys.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on January 07, 2020, 12:10:24 AM
Congrats to the 'Boys fans out there. Talk about getting a coaching upgrade!!

Wonder what Jimmy thanks though. He may have more "fan" insight than us other guys.

Poor McCarthy is coming to a town of beat down fans.  I'm excited for the change and McCarthy is a good upgrade but my pessimism says "wait and see".  After all, Jerry is still there.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on January 08, 2020, 01:47:03 PM
As I said before, I've always called McCarthy a lunkhead. Like, he's not an idiot, he's not a fool, but he's...that lunkhead who walks through a crowded cafeteria and knocks people's trays to the floor. He's the guy who'll wreck something in the garage, when the correct tool was there if he would have just looked.

Now, I don't know all what Rogers truly did and didn't do. There are a million talking heads which will call him aloof, in his own realm, sensitive and bruises easy, and honestly, not a damn one of them talks to him. They all repeat what each other said. But, what I don't know is, well, the last 2 years with McCarthy, in every 3rd and 1 situation, it was a shotgun snap with an empty backfield. Like, there was no illusion it would be a run. And that's where it got me many times throughout the tenure with the Packers; worse so in the last 4 seasons...the playcalling was ...foolish. Where I would go "What makes you think that dopey play was going to work, ya lunkhead?!"

If your team is rushing less than 75 yards per game, and the team you are playing is only allowing you 1.7 yards a rush, and you've only run the ball 11 times in the game, but 1 min left in the game from the 1 yard line, you run straight up the gut to no success each down? WHY would you think that would suddenly work based off of everything you just called?!

Too many situations like that were called. It was confusing and befuddling at times.

BUT

BUT

It was also well known how pissed and frustrated McCarthy was with our GM Ted Thompson, who refused to do free agency at all, and only buidl through the draft. He's a year removed now, but from his last 3 draft classes? We have 3 starting players. That's it. The talent has not been on this team for a while. McCarthy was real hamstring with having no TE, or when we did get Jared Cook, isntead of paying him, let him walk in free agency! What a missed chancE!!!! Then get that worthless Jimmy Graham instead. Ugh.

Haven't had a running back worth a damn in years. Since Eddy Lacy flamed and washed out after 2014, we haven't had a 1,000 year rusher for 5 years. That's pathetic.

So, McCarthy was also dealing with a huge lack of talent, and lack of production on defense. Defense was filled with guys, all drafted, who kept getting paid by the Packers, but were not starting guys on any other defensive team. Nick Perry being the worst offender. Every D-end since BJ Raji's sudden retirement.

But...when the man has the pieces...that offense is great. Our Superbowl era of Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, and even with Jermichael Finley got involved? Man, just awesome.

And I truly hope he's looked at the way offenses are run, realizes his faults, finds what he's done well and merge it well.

Not that I want to see Dallas do it.  :D :P ;D, but I want to see him have success with the team. Also...should he mold that team into a Superbowl winner? Being a Superbowl winning coach on 2 different teams? Those teams being the Packers and Cowboys? what a legacy!!!


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on January 08, 2020, 02:23:19 PM
I for one hope Dallas and Green Bay both win the title with-in 3 years time. BUT, I want the Steelers to get at least one more before Dallas gets theirs ... cushion ya know.
 ;D

How about this, as Big Ben is injury prone and getting up there, let the Steelers win this next, upcoming year, then Green Bay and then Dallas. Dallas is the youngest so they can wait.
 :D :D :D


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on January 08, 2020, 05:26:48 PM
Sounds like a great plan to me! ;D


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on January 09, 2020, 03:11:22 AM
Lol!  As long as we get one soon I’m good!


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on January 11, 2020, 08:33:59 PM
Jeff...

Just thinking on things. Lombardi Packers epitomize what it means to be a pro football team.

(What? What's with the looks?  ;D 8) 8) :D)

Superbowl II was played January 14, 1968.

The Packers would then go on to a very quick downward slope to aging players, playing past prime years, and not getting things right. Poor coaching choices, players brought in who just didn't pan out, and a derth at defensive skill for years. And years. And years.

Wasn't until Ron Wolf, Mike Holmgrem, Brett Favre and Reggie White's signing turned Titletown, USA, around.

Superbowl XXI was played January 26, 1997.

It was 29 years, 12 days between Superbowl wins.

Now, I hope this isn't salt in the wounds, but it is an eye opener when I decided to go look and compare.

The Cowboys last won a Superbowl January 28th, 1996.

In seventeen days, that will be 24 years ago.

24 years!!!

Comparing that time period to the Packers isn't succinctly apropos. The Packers were garbage. I don't think they won a division crown within that time period at all. At least the Cowboys have, just with loses in the playoffs in your same 2 and a half decades.

But still, even in my 'memory' that doesn't seem 'that long ago' but the comparison with like and like, wow!


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on January 12, 2020, 04:34:17 AM
Well, I forgot to put picks in, but yeah, I would have picked the 49ers over the Vikings-loved it!

And I would have wanted to pick the Titans, but I would have been afraid to really pick them. But I'm glad they did! That was awesome! I love a running back/running team that just OWNS the field!!!!

Tomorrow? I really do think the Chiefs beat the Texans. The Texans, while talented in the games, with a Deshaun Watson who, to me, plays like Brett Favre (party charm, part luck, part will and drive) to get games won, no matter who many INTs he throws, or how he has to play, will just fall to a Chiefs team that has just played solid, not spectacular at all times, but solidliy good defense the end of the season. And Patrick Mahomes is certainly far, far better than Josh Allen of the Bills.

Packers Seahawks....the home team is 7-0 in the last 7 games. I'll pick the home team. Of course I'll pick my team!!! ..but man, I just don't have the faith. But you know what? I haven't 'believed' all season. I've enjoyed being stunned all year. You don't just luck into 13-3 record. You have to beat the teams in front of you, no matter who they are, or how either team plays.  And man, is Seattle just beat to crap! I mean, the Eagles, who were starting  2 guys selling beer in the stadium and an uber driver who just showed up, barely lost! That gives me hope that the Packers really won't worry me that much.

But there's no way the Packers beat the 49ers, right? I don't 'believe' that will happen. ;)

But I wouldn't mind being stunned all the way through a Superbowl win this year. ;D


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on January 12, 2020, 01:44:04 PM
First off ... *ahem* ...

RAVENS GO DOWN!!!!!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Okay, I wanted that so bad and watching Tannehlll shine, whom as I stated, I gave up on long ago, was fantastic. Okay, "shine" is not really true, but man did he look fantastic getting those first two TD's. And Love the call after the stop on 4th and 1 (hahaha, bastards), go for the long ball if it is there. BOOM, was it there!!! Little dude smoked 'em.

Now for the NFC (around week 8) I actually picked the Cowboys to play the 49ers for the championship and sure, I missed the one, but I am even higher on the other now. That is not to say that they can't go down, but I think if all the remaining teams play their best, the 49ers are the best team in the league. Sadly. Haha. If that comes true that makes 3 teams with 6 rings now and while New England looks like they may not reach seven anytime soon and the Steelers have a great shot next year if ... IF Ben comes back to form ... San Fran could easily win the next two back to back, getting them to 7 first before all the rest.
 :'(

As for today, I am sticking with the Chiefs, for one. I agree with Jimmy about Watson (being both good and lucky ... like a certain QB from the North-East  >:() and then ... man ... I think Seattle has a shot, but AT Green Bay? I think the Pack takes it, mainly because of two reasons: Seattle took a huge hit losing it's RB's (even though they got the old man back) and their once praised Defense is now middle of the "pack". And if the two Aaron's get going ... whew!!

Oh, in the AFC I had Ravens (boo ... but YAY!!!!!  :D) and Chiefs battling for the championship


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on January 12, 2020, 08:56:31 PM
End of the first Q Hou 21, KC 0

Obviously, I’m rooting for the Texas team!

A Titans vs Texans AFC Championship would be awesome.  Mainly because the Titans used to be the Houston Oilers.  Houston vs Ex-Houston!

Of course, there’s still a lot time left in this game...


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on January 12, 2020, 09:18:05 PM
But Kansas City used to be the Dallas Texans too!

Talk about torn loyalties! Lol


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on January 12, 2020, 09:21:04 PM
WHATY IS HAPPENING?! TEXANS COUGH UP ON RETURN, 1ST AND GOAL AFTER JUST SCORING 3 SECONDS AGO FOR THE CHIEFS!!


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on January 13, 2020, 03:16:42 AM
Well, I'll be.... an NFC Championship appearance! Who'da thunk it?!

Oh well, a loss next week. "It's just nice to be there."

Just been a disbeliever all year; hard to change now!


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on January 13, 2020, 03:52:30 AM
But Kansas City used to be the Dallas Texans too!

Talk about torn loyalties! Lol

I know, right!  Can’t believe Houston blew that lead and then just plain got slaughtered.  I’ll have to root for the Dallas Texans next week!

The Pack in the NFC championship?  Maybe you’ll get that next ring sooner than you thought!


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on January 13, 2020, 04:06:04 AM
And congrats to Bill Cowher and Jimmy Johnson.

What moments to witness.

While, I have to *hate* him, ;) , I can't believe it took until the extra 100 people inducted special into the HoF on the 100th anniversary to get Johnson in. As the architect and leader that made the Cowboys into the dynasty that removed the Niners dynasty, it shouldn't have taken that long.

And no slight to Cowher's accomplishment of longevity, winning success, and trophy, but yeah...I guess I would have put Johnson in over Cowher on a list.

But I could be egregriously wrong in that assessment as well.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on January 13, 2020, 10:53:29 AM
First down my ass!!
 ;D
Not saying Green Bay would not have still won the game and I understand how one blind ass side judge (or field judge, I forget which is on which side) can miss a call so obvious (in so much that it was obvious he slid to where you marked him down) but how do we keep going to the F'n booth for review and getting the damn calls wrong there as well? Yes, GB would have probably went for it, but no, it was not a damn first down.

As for the KC/Houston game, I joked with the wife when KC went down by 24 that the game was going to get good when KC started their comeback. She laughed at my obvious attempt at humor and took the dog for a fast walk to the bridge (a little walkover for the stream we have near the house). By the time she came back, about ten minutes later, she came into the tv room and I pointed to the screen  :D Now I didn't expect them to come back in under 4 minutes of game time, but ...
 :D :D :D
Wow.
And it was funny how KC screwed up so badly at first and then the bug jumped ship, and then Houston couldn't do anything right.
The game became a blowout, but that first half was amazing football!!!

Now ...

As for Cowher getting in with Jimmy J ... I understand your thinking Jimmy, based on amount of time if for nothing else. Do I think Johnson should have been in before now? Hells yeah!! Do I think he is more deserving, or should be picked over Cowher? I will first answer thusly ... I think both teams got the exact coach they needed at the exact time they needed them and both coaches are deserving of the honor.
 :D

Nice sidestep?

Okay, here ... is Johnson the better coach? Well I can understand people saying so, yep, I can, and while I can't allow myself to say the same, even though I may agree ;D, I will say that while Jimmy was a great coach for the team he was on, Cowher WAS Pittsburgh. No coach, in the modern era, has been more aligned, more a perfect match with the city he represented than Bill "Steel Jaw" Cowher. Now this is where you and a lot of people may disagree with me  ;D, not even Lombardi in Green Bay.
 :) :o :)


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on January 13, 2020, 02:04:46 PM
Johnson should have gone in before Jerry Jones.  But I’m ok with him going in with Cowher. Both were great coaches and I’ve always liked them both.  Obviously I’m a bigger Johnson fan, but I can’t really say who was the “better” coach.  Johnson couldn’t repeat his success when he was at Miami so it really just depends on a lot of different people to have a winning team.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on January 13, 2020, 03:30:14 PM
All kidding aside, I really can’t say who was the ‘better’ coach at all. I know I always liked Bill Cowher for what he was like with that team-and I liked the Steelers. If there’s a place that feels ‘like’ Green Bay to me, it’s Pittsburgh. Dallas? C’mon, they ruined 3 years of Brett Favre playoffs! I hated seeing those games in Texas Stadium! ARGH what nightmares! Those Cowboys just seemed unstoppable. If not for Steve Young’s play, I think Dallas would have won 4 straight Superbowls.

And man, when Jimmy Johnson went to Miami, I was so excited. HE would get Marino his ring. I just knew it! With a better thrower in Marino, how could they be stopped? Well, they were, and I was sad for it.(neither here nor there)

However, I think Jeff, you said it best. To go in at the same time, I think that’s a great place for both those coaches. I know I think back to that era when I really started to...pay attention, and then know football, and it was Johnson and Cowher, ending of Walsh, coming of Seifert, Schottenheimer, Marv Levy, Holmgrem, ...so yeah...good coaches there! (can’t believe how many I’m forgetting!)((or what my point was. Just that they were great coaches, and had terrific teams).


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on January 13, 2020, 05:04:07 PM
If not for Marv Levy, I think Dallas would have won 1 straight Superbowl.

Fixed that for ya
 ;D ;D

Just kidding, just kidding.
 :D :D :D


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on January 13, 2020, 08:49:41 PM
Obviously I’m a bigger Johnson fan....

Hmmmm.  In retrospect, I should have phrased that better.......


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on January 17, 2020, 12:10:37 AM
So!

I think the Chiefs will beat the Titans. I may be misunderstanding the Titans magic this year. Perhaps they are the 9-7 Giants that beat my 15-1 Packers to go on and win the Superbowl. Maybe...but I'm rooting for the Chiefs.

And of course I'll root for the Packers! But I have even less faith that they'll win. If the Niners play like last week...I don't know. The Packers still had some drives and offense of nothing last week. But shit, I could be surprised and they win! Then they could be in a Superbowl!

Then I have to worry about watching a Superbowl loss....cuz I don't believe enough...


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on January 20, 2020, 03:12:46 AM
Sorry about the Packers Jimbo.  That really sucked.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on January 20, 2020, 11:37:55 AM
First off, before I even touch on the game, I want to say I'm sorry ... to Jeff.
I am never one to let a good dick joke go by the way side but I did just that not too long ago. I kept forgetting to respond to this and well darn it, in Jimmy's time of need it just seems like the perfect time to make amends ...

Obviously I’m a bigger Johnson fan....

Hmmmm.  In retrospect, I should have phrased that better.......

Dude! That is funny!!
 ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

More on the games later.

(but yeah, sorry Jimbo  :-[)


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on January 20, 2020, 01:15:30 PM
Oh I loved Jeff's joke. Sorry to not respond better. That was great!

Oh well Packers. They, to me, played with house money all year. New coach, new staff, new system, a fresh start from the dreck that was McCarthy's stifled offense and team from Ted Thompson's dementia  dimensional approach to 'buidling' a team meant that this, unfortunately, was a 'learning year' that turned into an NFC Championship game!!  :o :o :o

But all the deficiencies from the past 2-3 years on defense and offense could not be turned around in one year of our newly risen GM and head coach. The team still only has 1 WR worth a damn. No TE of game changing worth (I don't care if he caught a big play, or a TD, Jimmy Graham does not have 'it' because 'it' does not show up in every play, nor every game. It's not 2008; he's not great anymore, or at all. Hell, Antonio Gates who just retired after this year would still have been better to have here!!). Our middle of the field defense is weak with our middle linebacker Martinez (and I like the guy, very personable, very team oriented, very much 'that guy' to have on your team, but any other team and he's locked into the #2 rank of that position...or his defense is just bad). Savage is still a young guy learning his safety role.

BUT...as we all say together, "well, there's always hope for next year."

But as more and more writers point out...with a team with such a locked in contract to the QB, there's not enough for the rest of the guys. And more and more...that starts to look like a hindrance. San Fran's defense may be dismantled in a year or more when all those 1st round d-line guys want their money and go elsewhere. Seattle looked really pedestrian this year, but that's because Wilson has all the money and the defense doesn't.

I listened to a great NFL/SI podcast writer journalist thing that talked about this. During the regular season, that near HoFame QB can will you through everything. 10 wins, a division title, hell, that first round bye. But in the playoffs? They remarked on how  in the playoffs Peyton Manning alone could not will a team to victory by himself. Only when his team's defense ranked in the top 10 statistically at all for the year did wins and a Superbowl become possible.

We talk about the Patriots and Brady..but honestly, it was the defense that always would carry them to the win. So, I see truth to this.



Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on January 25, 2020, 01:03:58 AM
I do wonder what Rich, Mr DVDavenport himself, would have to say on the retirement of Eli Manning.

So here's this; I bet he is first ballot hall of famer. I don't particularly agree. He was great through 2 post-seasons, and I believe was wrongly awarded the MVPs. That defense won both those games, and the helmet catch was on the WR, not Manning. Dude just chucks a ball up and gets lucky. That's Hall of Fame?

And that's something I have against the HoF. Every position demands exellence at all times. But look at how few O-line get in, and there are a sure a helluva lot more them than Qbs.

A 500 qb who barely did very well in the era of QBs being allowed to do whatever they want to do. I've just never been impressed with his career.

But he's going in. OH well.


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on February 02, 2020, 07:33:37 PM
Calling it!

Um..... Chiefs 27, Niners 21

Only because I hope so! If every other Superbowl is still true, the greater defense totally equalizes the awesome offense.

Broncos over Panthers.
Seahawks over Broncos.
Patriots over Rams.
Giants over Patriots

Then there were the Superbowls of futility; where offense or defense has no part; Eagles Patriots, Patriots Falcons


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on February 02, 2020, 08:49:20 PM
Dude just chucks a ball up and gets lucky. That's Hall of Fame?

I agree, but on the flip side of that, another dude gets lucky as hell and is picked by the best coach to ever play the game, who is in one of the easiest divisions ever (for the time he was with the team ... I mean Jets? Dolphins? Bills? During the 2000's? BAH), has an offense coordinator that plays dump off ball, which is perfect for this skidish as hell kid. Has, for a time, two amazing TE's (that perfectly fit into that game plan of dink and dunk), has a kicker who'll win more playoff games than he will, gets lucky as hell in Oakland on a horrible bullshit rule (IT WAS A FUMBLE), gets incredibly lucky that a certain opposing coach passes on the one yard line instead of calling a rush ...when they have Lynch in the backfield, and who then also gets extremely lucky facing a pathetic Falcons game plan in the second half of one Super Bowl. Yet this guy is consider the greatest of all time at that position?

All perspective I guess.
 ;D


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on February 03, 2020, 03:21:40 AM
Dude just chucks a ball up and gets lucky. That's Hall of Fame?

I agree, but on the flip side of that, another dude gets lucky as hell and is picked by the best coach to ever play the game, who is in one of the easiest divisions ever (for the time he was with the team ... I mean Jets? Dolphins? Bills? During the 2000's? BAH), has an offense coordinator that plays dump off ball, which is perfect for this skidish as hell kid. Has, for a time, two amazing TE's (that perfectly fit into that game plan of dink and dunk), has a kicker who'll win more playoff games than he will, gets lucky as hell in Oakland on a horrible bullshit rule (IT WAS A FUMBLE), gets incredibly lucky that a certain opposing coach passes on the one yard line instead of calling a rush ...when they have Lynch in the backfield, and who then also gets extremely lucky facing a pathetic Falcons game plan in the second half of one Super Bowl. Yet this guy is consider the greatest of all time at that position?

All perspective I guess.
 ;D

I'm throwing a flag on the play but there's a discussion for tomorrow.

CHIEFS WIN! WOOOOOOO!


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Perry on February 03, 2020, 01:19:47 PM
Happy the Walrus finally got a ring.
The MVP voting though? I mean, I guess he had to win it, but only because there was no true MVP. The kid was pretty bad to awful all game, but no one else, especially on Defense, shown through other than Mahomes. I like the kid, great talent, but he played perhaps his worse game in that game.
 :-\

Over all, an "okay" game. There's been better, been worse  :-\


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jimmy T on February 03, 2020, 02:30:57 PM
That Damien Williams should probably have gotten the MVP, but any come from behind win, against all odds will always favor the award going to the qb. Oh well!

But WAY better Than that Patriots Rams clunker from last year!!!


Title: Re: NFL 2019
Post by: Jeff on February 03, 2020, 02:33:03 PM
If his worst game was winning the Super Bowl then he must have a promising career ahead of him.  ;D :D

In all seriousness I enjoyed it. I made the mistake of going to a neighborhood party so it was hard to hear the game most of the time.  Fun party but if you really want to watch the game it’s always better in a small setting.  But theChiefs won so I’m happy.