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So I saw the new pic of "Titans" Dick Grayson as Robin on Twitter and decided to drop in and ask if this new show will get you guys to try DC's new "Digital Service"? Or will you wait until the new animated Young Justice: Outsiders begins? Or will any of those get you to try? I guess it all depends on price, but would the same price of All Access ($5 a month) get you to join?

I was excited about both until I learned that Titans will be ran by the same guys behind Arrow and Flash and I am just not sure I want that kind of style in my Titans. If it is a little heavier, just a tad less high school drama like (no offense to those that enjoy those shows), I would surely enjoy it more so I am hopeful as it is paid programming they will go just a pinch more ... well ... you know.

I am looking forward to Young Justice 100% however. Really liked that show when it was on.

I’d be willing to give it a shot! 

I just loved seeing the appropriate awesomeness of the Tim Drake Robin suit! I LOVE THAT SUIT TO DEATH AND I DON'T KNOW WHY!!!!

and let's not forget these two...

(http://cdn1us.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeekus/files/2017/12/alan-ritchson-minka-kelly-titans-hawk-dove.jpg)

MEGA-COOL!!!!   :o :o

Sweet pic!  This has potential!

I'm just afraid that Starfire and Raven are going to be super-cheesy and the other characters will get lost in the background.

Well I am sure by now most of you, if not all, have seen the images coming from the set of The Titans show.

I am saying absolutely nothing more than I will not be watching this.

Best of luck to the cast and happy viewing to the fans that watch!!

Don't forget - the original images of the Flash were bad too and it turned out to be a good show.

Yeah ... but did it, though?
 :P

 ;D ;D

Okay, sure, I watched Flash, well for the first two seasons ... maybe even three, but lots more things can ... no, nevermind, not gonna do it.
Hope you guys enjoy the hell outta the show!!
 :) 8)

Maybe I will be doing stretches to see if I can more easily get my foot into my mouth?
 :D :D

Gotta admit, didn't expect ... THIS kinda trailer  :o 
Adult language!!

Looks good!

i was IMMEDIATELY turned off by Robin spewing out the F word.  Why does all the DC stuff have to be so dark (with the exception of Flash and Shazam.  I know, I know.  Stop looking at me like that, Perry!)

 :D 8)

I will say this about Robin throwing that out there like that ... it damn sure got my attention. And while I completely, 100%, without pause or thought, understand why some fans are turned off/away by that two second shocking phrase, I had the complete opposite reaction.

I had no interest in the show Titans until I saw that "trailer" and heard those two eye opening words.

"Fuck Batman!"

Whaaaaat? Now hold on a minute, I was not expecting that at all. Maybe this will be a different kind of show
 :)

The way Geoff Johns described his reasoning for having Robin say that was that Dick had just left ole Batsy. I guess he means that Robin is a modern, young man who finally got fed up with the old man and his shit and has bounced from the crib with deuces flying in the air (am I doing that right?  :D :D)

I get it. I was almost exactly that way when I left my dads house. Sometimes overbearing can be overbearing  :)

But again, I get most fans reactions. I do. Who wants to see their heros in that light? They are supposed to be "super" and always (or as much as possible) on the moral high-ground. But think back to when Robin left Batman. Is that phrase really something Robin, in this day in age, wouldn't have said? Maybe, sure, but then again maybe not. And remember, this is Titans without the Teen.
 ;)

When it comes to some television, movie or book themes, I don't need vulgarity to make them seem realistic or more true to how life is or can be, but when I am watching shows that feature drugs, war, politics or the fantastic feats of "superheroism" and the like, it is nice to have a "fuck you!" in there from time to time to match the high action or tension that is being displayed. There is nothing like that phrase to show you, the viewer/reader, that we are down to business.
 ;)
 
But again, I also understand the point that these characters we love so much are loved because they take some of us AWAY from the realism of true life. The whole idea is to escape the real world's obscenities and drown in a pool of easy to digest good versus bad. I get ya.

I just know I was not going to watch Titans and now I am at least going to try it. All because Robin said something that I think fits in a more realistic and less teen melodrama (Arrow) type of way. Yes, I also know the term "realistic" and all its forms is a bad word for some comic readers but while I enjoy the older comics for the way they were, I for one still enjoy the more modern way of writing because it is just that, more real. Well, as real as reading/watching something about people flying around with capes draped over their shoulders. Yep. I am certainly gonna check out Titans now. I think most fans will also give it a look if they are on DC Ultimate ... or whatever it is called. Or at least I hope so.
:)

(On a side note, I also hope I have more info on the comics side of that DC Ultimate before I have to pay for the service to see Titans. I want to do yearly to get the best deal, but I don't want to pay for a year if their comic selection isn't up to par with what I am hoping.)

I think I 'stand' somewhere between jc and Perry's thoughts.

When I first saw it, my true initial reaction was 'oh please' with a roll eyes.

All my first impressions where this: Lazy writing. To seem edgy, grown up, adult, NOT A COMIC, the writers' made sure to show that this wouldn't be some kiddy crap-they swear! Fuck yeah! We're violent! Blood and pain! YEAH!
I also immediately thought that if part of the advertising is 'Hey kids, comics!', wherein they show all the video clips of all the great past DC movies, shows, CARTOONS, and advertise comics, then they are confusing the hell out of some of the buying audience by having this bad fucker Robin being a no holds barred brutalizer in the alley.

Seriously, there is a confusing message about the DC app. Will certain parts of the app be parent locked so under 10 can't watch Titans? (and I'll presume the horror show that will be Swamp Thing). What will it look like if they put in all of the Wolfman/Perez Titans comics alongside the show? Again, a messed up selling message!

That said, I don't even care that Robin said it. It would be nice that on Arrow they wouldn't always have to 'act' as those people, that instead they could just go and 'be' those people-people who swear, get frustrated or down, but collect themselves and do better.

But the whole point of that trailer led to that singular moment of 'Fuck you.' That was the entirety of the selling point of it. When a lot of the media about this new app was about celebrating the DCU in all it's formats-print, tv, and movies, and now all access, throwing a big FU! out just seemed incongruous to all that.  8)

But if one idea of the new app was indeed to show diversity in all its formats, how can the "FU" be incongruous?
 :)

And this is not attacking you, Jimbo, but as you mentioned it I just want to respond to something that has been on my mind for awhile now. Please, no offense meant or implied ... but ... why must everything that has the word fuck or shows a tit translate into "lazy writing" all the time? Aren't the comics of the past nothing but that very thing ... true lazy writing? Using tropes upon tropes to sell comics? Sure there is and has to be exceptions that prove the rule (and I have always hated that saying), but by and large comics are filled with "lazy writing" and always have been.

Sorry, I just despise the damn notion of lazy writing. Bah. Talk about a trope. I am a lazy writer. I don't care if I misspell or transpose or use "no" when I mean "know" or any other vast examples of actual lazy writing that I observe  :D, but when actual writers have an idea, lay that idea out on paper and people don't agree with certain things contained within that paper it is said to be lazy writing? I refute the idea of it all. Not slamming you, Jimmy, but I feel that damn thing is a piss poor catchphrase for taking an idea in another place that people don't agree with.

Also, what is wrong with writing being edgy or grown up? We have countless books and animated shows of the Titans being the true inverse of that, why can't we (or I  ;D) have a damn show where it IS more damn adult and not written with the younger audience in mind. Why is wanting an adult speaking show that features the heroes I also have enjoyed for over 40 plus years a bad thing? Yes, I want a damn show with Fuck you in it. As long as it isn't out of character and why is it a bad thing? Is Dick Grayson saying "fuck" that much out of character? Heck no!  I damn sure will take Nightwing saying "fuck Batman" over a damn Aquaman that says "My man!" or "Yeah-Uh" (or whatever that was)
 :( :( :( :(

I don't want a barrage of filth flying from my heroes, of course not, but why is it okay for Sci-Fi shows like Farscape to scream out "Frell" (we all know what that means) or Battlestar Galactica's "Frak" or the great Firefly to yell "Gorram" and no-one has a problem with it but when a comic hero uses it, one whose character is not above using a "bad word", it gets piled on?

If Starfire was to say it then yeah, I would have issues with it. Well, unless it was used by her in a humorous way (which think about that ... if she follows Dick's lead and repeats his words but in a more "did I do that correctly" manner ... I think that would be funny). Even Garth would seem a little out of place throwing that word around, but Mr. Grayson? I know he is not Slade Wilson, but yeah, I can damn sure see him saying what he did. Not make it a regular part of his vocabulary (not like it is mine  :D) but damn skippy I can see him saying what he did this once.

Anyway, I know I will do what I almost always do after I post my strong feelings ... I will come back in about 5 minutes and delete everything because I don't want, and is not my intent, to hurt anyone's feelings, but I hope I can at least wait an hour or so before that mood hits me. I am not trying to be snarky or mean, just trying to express what "I" feel about things as well as reading about how others feel.
 :-\

I hope it is taken as just my opinion on a topic and not a personal attack. Not meant to be. I value everyone's opinion, but I also like to express mine from time to time
 :-\

Peace
 :)

No offense taken at all. It's conversation!

I've obviously hit a nerve, which is fair. I've definitely used this line twice now, here and with Bendis Superman writing.

Although I will defend my thought with referencing my post that I said 'first impression. '

But it does make sense huge impression to have the Boy Wonder dropping expletives. I hope the feedback has been ok and or good for them.

Sweet. Last thing I want to do, while bitching about bitching or bitching about things that irk me enough to bitch about is to make someone think I am bitching AT or TO them and not the point of bitching.
 :D

And again, I do get your POV, I do. S'all good.

That said, I should have worded my first gripe a lot differently. I said no offense and then I didn't clarify that I wasn't pointing the finger it you. When I said -
"Please, no offense meant or implied ... but ... why must everything that has the word fuck or shows a tit translate into "lazy writing" all the time?"
I should have added "with most people" or something like that. Man. I certainly knew what I was saying in my head, but damn I didn't express it too well. I meant that a lot of people do that. Was not calling out you, yourself, even though it damn sure reads that way.  :-[
I suck at writing. I know what I mean but damn it comes out wrong more times than not. I am great at a get together, expressing different thoughts without sounding like an ass, but when it comes to writing them down? Ha, yeah, not great.

That's okay I was posting from my phone most of the time; which sucks!

In fact one post got dropped, I was going to reply tongue in cheek with "hey, what's with throwing shade at Aquaman?!" 😁

 :D

(Man I hope that movie is good)

Hey now, that's just beautiful.  Seriously.  Two guys debating a bit on a thread but making sure not to offend each other. 

I've been on a bit of a Star Trek kick lately on Netflix and decided to try out the Trek BBS for a while.  Bloody hell.  When they're not writing doctoral dissertations on what color the Enterprise's carpets should be, they're tripping overthemselves to find the most "clever" way to be an @sshole toward each other.  Over a TV show.  Anyway...

Sorry to interrupt the thread.  Just wanted to comment on how refreshing it is to see a little civility on the 'net.  Ok.  Please continue.


*SIGH*  It's good to be home.  :)

I actually missed what he said the first time around and had to rewatch it to catch it.  Kinda had both jedicow's and Jimmy's reaction to it.  :( ::)

I'm not against it necessarily as long as it appears natural or organic given the character and situation.  While I'm glad he's not saying "Holy alleycats, Batman," casually saying "F :-X Batman" seems unnaturally forced for the reasons Jimmy already mentioned and makes Robin look like just another punk indistinguishable from the thugs he's pounding, at least on first impression.

Disappointed in the trailer but withholding judgement until after a couple of installments of the finished product.

Okay, a "semi-Live" non-spoiler (or at least non-major spoiler) review/thoughts on DC Unlimited's Titans show.

This may be all over the place, thoughts wise as I am going pretty much scene by scene as I watch it sooooo

Again, I will keep spoilers out of it unless noted and only then by necessity

Okay, here we go ...

Let me start by saying the intro was done pretty well, we get an origin show of one of our heroes and it was done pretty well.
The music/theme sucks. They need to change that.
I don't like Raven with short hair. Not really a review, but I did say I was going to have thoughts included.  ;D
Interesting how they are working with Raven, I do kinda like that.
Struggling to believe Dick as a detective here.
The good - This is NOT like the teen angst ridden CW shows. This is very dark
The bad - The teen angst is still pretty high, but given the subject matter ... what do I expect, yeah?
The good - The writing seems to be ... better than I expected
The bad - there is a scene on a school bus that is really badly written
The good - This is, and I can't stress this enough, not as goody-goody as the CW. Not as many smiley damn faces.
The bad - This may go a little too dark at times. Especially with Robin. He is far too masochistic in the alley fight.
The good - Starfire's acting
The bad - Starfire's hair
The bad - Getting back to the bad writing ... and now a pretty big spoiler that I don't think you should look at until you see the show -
Well the last scene cleared some things up.
Why in the hell are the effects so damn loud? This isn't me being old, but I turn the volume up to hear the dialog and the damn effects blow out my speakers!! Levels people, LEVELS!!!
The bad - Kory reacts to ... something and it is not right. That was a bad decision on the directors/writers part. Bad, bad.
OH FOR CHRISTS SAKE ITS A RAG... SPIT IT OUT!!!!  >:(
Oh how about that, you pass out and the rag just drops out of your mouth? Yet you couldn't ... oh forget it!!!  >:( >:(
Last thing ... Gar needs to change quicker.

Overall ... not bad. In fact it may (along with my recent desire to finish reading Manhunter) keep me signed on for a month. Just to see if it gets better. Overall, and expecting far less, I think I can grade it ... well ... I will grade it two ways. One for the show and one for how I felt it related/shared it's comic counterpart.

If you want the comic ... don't watch this. Kory and Raven are totally different. Gar at least has his young sense of humor and Robin was done well enough, although a tad too violent.

Show/Comic wise I give it a 5
but just on its own I say it is a decent start with a 7
 :)

Well I just canceled my DC Universe subscription.

The second episode of Titans was so bad that I couldn't stick around long enough to even finish the episode and the comics section is just a joke.

Nothing is working right on the app, I couldn't even leave a post to ask for help.

Going to try and knock out a few more Manhunter issues later (if I can open them, I SURE AS HELL COULDN'T OPEN THEM A FEW MINUTES AGO!!  >:() and then buy the rest from Comixology.

DC Universe (app) sucks balls
 >:( >:(
Maybe when the comic app is better or maybe when Swamp Thing hits I will be back, but only ever as a monthly service (not paying for the entire year) until they can prove to me they have all the things fixed that are going wrong currently, and not just my issues, there are tons posted on the message board ... not sure how they were able to post them, as I can't post $#@&, but whatever ...

Grade D-

Bummer - I signed up for the whole year but have yet to even open the app.

That really sucks to hear, Perry.i was hoping you'd be telling me to come follow this Titans show.

Man, you would hate this show so damn much that I could not express ... it is ... so opposite you.

For example and slight, ever so slight spoiler, but in the trailer when Robin says "Fuck Batman", I was one of the few people to say/think "Okay, so it is gonna be a harder show"  ;D I had actually enjoyed the thought of that, but after seeing the scene in which he says that line, I was taken aback at how mean spirited Robin was being. I don't mean Hard Batman style fighting, but going out of his way to "punish" the bad guys. Like sliding one guys face across bricks, or a guys arm across a car windows broken window (which could never happen as car door glass is made to shatter, its tempered glass, not like annealed glass that would leave all the sharp edges ... I HATE when shows/movies use the wrong shit for stuff like that).
Anyway, he was just too mean. He wasn't breaking legs to stop a criminal act, he was hurting people for the joy of it. Not really, but that is what it came across as.
I let that and the issues I had with Raven slide in the end as I thought the actress that plays Starfire did such an amazing job, the show deserved another shot.
But then, episode two shows us Hawk and Dove for some damn reason (yes, they are important aspect to the Titans, but jeez get the regulars in there first guys!). First off they chose these 30+ year old actors to portray Hawk and Dove  :( then they had this sex scene that was (yes super short and off camera) but was so bad and so frivolous I just had to shut down. Plus, just way too much profanity, sex talk, forced adult content ... it wasn't a natural flow ... it was BAD.
If Swamp Thing goes that route, fine, but not the Titans. I don't want anything like CW, but I also don't want forced adult situations that are so irritating it hurts.
BAH
Stay Away.

And Jeff, the app is suppose to get better and I hope they get it straight soon, just know that if you start to read something, some title, read it fast as it may disappear the following week. Stupid is what it is.
But the TV and animated shows and movies are worth a look. Although I am mad they don't have the Batman/Superman Apocalypse movie I wanted to watch.
 >:( >:( >:( >:(
Must be a Kirby Family thing
  >:(

Episode 1

I watched this today fully expecting to hate this show.  And....it wasn't terrible.  In fact, I think I like it.  I have some issues - most have already been discussed here by others - but nothing I couldn't over look at least temporarily.

Even the F Batman line seemed to fit in the context of the scene.  There may be a solid (if not good) reason for Dick to be so angry and hopefully that will flush out and change.

I haven't watched episode 2 yet and it sounds like that is the one I need to expect to hate.  But I promised myself I'd watch through Episode 4 to at least see how they do the Doom Patrol.

Haha, funny. I watched episode #3 today, in preparation of #4 tomorrow and ... yeah, I didn't hate it.

I still say the violence is waaay too forced, and I love violence, on tv that is  ;D, but the show flowed a lot better then episode #1 and damn sure was better than dreadful #2. Dick is still far too dickish as well (I dind't mind the F" Batman as much as Dick sliding guys faces down brickwalls  ::) and he wouldn't have ... well, anyway ... stop it Perry  :D), but yeah, episode #3 was much better than #2 and slightly better than #1 ... that is all I will say.
Goodbye
 :D

Episode 2

I think I understand why Perry hated this so much.  But I have to admit, I didn’t hate it.  I actually liked it.  The violence is a bit too much (and not really necessary) but I was able to overcome it.  I found myself liking Hawk and Dove.  You definitely have to forget about what you know about the Titans from the comics as these are darker characters.  There is a reason Dick is the way he is, we just don’t know why yet and that reason is part of the over all character development. I am interested to find out why.  The best actor in this show is definitely the girl playing Raven.  And since this episode was heavy on her story I was drawn in.

Maybe my expectations were sufficiently low enough that it’s hitting me better.  If it only goes up from here I think
I’ll be in for awhile.  My one complaint is the over use of the F word.  Really unnecessary and detracts from the characters.

It certainly goes up with episode #3. I was really pulled back in hard after that episode and was looking forward to, hell, excited about seeing the Doom Patrol in episode 4, but that was when I fell back down again. Not that it was terrible, but I don't know, just not worth paying for on a monthly basis I guess. Once they get their comic service right and I pay by the year, I will certainly watch the entire run, but I am not willing to throw out another $8 just for the Titans show.

But then again, now that Comixology no-longer has the Manhunter issues that I need on-sale for under a buck (they are now back to $1.99), I may sign back up just to read those. I mean, I need I will have to buy at least, at LEAST 2 issues of Manhunter most likely, so $4 for just those or $8 for those, the Titans show, plus whatever else I can start (and hopefully finish) in a month? Hmmmmm? Maybe?


 
Agree. And I love the F Bomb. Love it.  :D When it fits the scene ... or more to the point, when it fits the scenery.
Not really bothered over by "Robin" saying it that once in episode 1, it just didn't hurt my feelings or my ears, but what I want to hear and what I need to hear in Sapranos is not what I want or need to hear in Titans. The world is different. Heck, it even sounds kinda weird when I hear it Daredevil, and I should hear it a lot there (New York crime and all) but here it just seems out of place, even when the "bad guys" say it. Odd, but a fact.

You are spot on there.  I can hear it all day long in Saprano's and not blink an eye.  And Robin's use of it in the first episode was made sense for setting up his angst.  Seemed to have a point.  But the rest just feels awkward.

Episodes 3 & 4

Enjoyed both of these episodes.  The Doom Patrol looked a little campy but I think they pulled it off.  For me Raven really draws you in.  She’s doing a great job.

Watched episode #5 and yeah, I don't think I will miss the show too much.
It is what it is, a decent show, that did get better from it's horrible episode two debacle, but nothing that I would pay $8 a month for ... at least not yet.

Once DC gets the comics in order, stops pulling down from the site, or the Swamp Thing series starts (which ever comes first  :))  I shall revisit that ideology  :D

Watched episode 5 this morning.  I liked it but I totally understand why this isn't for Perry.  It's more like a dark version of a CW show.  Kind of a darker version of Arrow.

For example: 
Interestingly enough, I'm watching these at the same time I'm finally watching Netflix's Punisher.  I hope no one wants to mess with me over the next couple of weeks.   :D

 :D :D :D :D :D

And yeah, I think you nailed my feelings on the show  ;)

It's okay. I'm anxious to see Donna Troy in a couple weeks. As for the cost, I am also looking forward to season 3 of Young Justice: Outsiders. It's worth the $8.00 to me.

Just went back and read all the posts on my feelings and yeah, they still hold true for the most part, but honestly I didn't mind all those things this time around. I guess after watching Stargirl and understanding just how much a caped hero show could be a mismatch, this one was not as bad?

I don't know

Don't get me wrong, there are still ots issues I have with the show especially with season 1's finale and the Trigon stuff (wow ... what horrible CG that was ... even with the simple stuff like where are the shadows on his muscles and why was this "god" breathing so rapidly from just walking?  :D :D honestly, go look at it  ;D ;D), but yeah, I got into it the more I watched.

Just started episode 2 of season 2, after the end of episode one where I was wanting more of a Titan's tower dang it, but my thoughts are pretty even keel as of now. I may make it all the way!!

Then to finish Doom Patrol I guess, before season 2 premieres.

Oh, and Jeff, if you didn't know already ... do NOT let the little one watch the Harley cartoon on DCU  :o I knew it was more adult than not, but I was not expecting that language. Yowza!
 :D

Swamp Thing moved over to the CW.

Yes, but just to re-air the episodes already produced. Just season 1, those already on DCU. Nothing new ... not yet anyway.

I'm struggling to get through the clunky acting and bad dialog flow in the non-CW Swampy, I couldn't image trying their version
 ;D

Although I did enjoy the guy that played Holland. Thought the casting was good there at least. To bad I don't expect more of him now that he is all green
 :) ;D

Soooo, I made it!

Made it through 24 episodes and I honestly have no idea how I did it.  Dialog and the abundance of verbalizing of emotional expression (which I finally realized is what I despise in this kind of shows) aside, there are a few episodes that contain that horrible "suddenly all alone" scene structure. Ya know the one, where a bunch of guys break up to find/fight a person or thing only to have one of them come across said person or thing and deal with the consequence of that all by themselves until the meeting or discovery is resolved and then, and only then, the rest of the group arrives ... too late.

UGH.

Twice in the last couple episodes this takes place. One of them ... I can't remember now exactly what it was (that is how bad I try and push those "happenings" out of my head) but something like ...
Someone breaks out of containment in Titans Tower (or something like that) and the search begins. All the heroes, about 7 of them at this point, rush to find the escapee, split-up (of course) and then when one of them finds that which they were looking for ... well, as I can't really remember what it was that happened, I will just say that bad things happen  ;D just in time for everyone, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE OTHER TITANS, to walk in the room. Wow, what timing. I hate that crap!!!

Anyway ... guess I will check out season 3 when it hits.
 :D

Season Three trailer

 :o :o

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Holy cow that looks Awesome!!!!!!

Yeah it does!!!

Season 3 premieres tomorrow!

HELL YEAH!!! Can't wait!

Yep Yep Yep

Saw the first episode of season 3. Interesting and curious to see the birth of Red Hood. Not a fan of the actress playing Barbara Gordon, though.

AT ALL!!!!

I Agree!!

1,000%

Not sure why she was the choice, as she looks, reacts, portrays nothing of the Barbara Gordon that I have known through the years and instead looks like it could be anyone BUT Barbara. Nothing against the actress personally, or course, but with the problems I have with this season, and there are a few ... some minor  ;D ... her casting is the one that leaves me scratching my head and "counting to ten" whenever she is on the screen. I mean, I just don't get it. I know this is a "different universe" and all that, especially with what happens, but they still should have spent a little more time and thought on casting such an important character. For Grayson if for no other reason.
BAH!!!

That said, I have watched all three current episodes and >:(

Episode 4 ... six minutes in SPOILERS !!!

This is the exact kind of crappy ass dialog I can't stand from shows such as these.

DO NOT LOOK BELOW UNTIL YOU HAVE SEEN THE FIRST 3 ... and 6 minutes  :D  WORTH OF EPISODES

Crap, this is stupid ass writing!  >:( >:( >:(

Episode 5 is up for our viewing pleasure. I find it very hard to believe that...

I haven't watched it yet (haven't even finished episode 4 yet) but ...


 :D :D
Sounds about par for the Geoff Johns writing staff  :-\

I say that with little joy in my heart. I really like Johns comic writing, some of the best around (in my opinion), but his television stuff is just horrible. Heck even with the really cool episodes of Stargirl that he wrote that I halfway enjoyed ... that still could have been so much better ... he has yet to wow me in the slightest as a tv writer.
Add in that this episode is co-written with Johns by "amazing talent" of -
Bryan Edward Hill - Who has such wonderful works under his belt like X-Men Fallen Angels and Killmonger for Marvel and grand hits like Michael Cray and Batman and the Outsiders for DC (I think some may have liked that Outsiders run, but I am not on that list  :))
and
Akiva Goldsman - Famous for writing both Batman Forever and the Batman and Robin films ... as well as turning two really cool books: Grisham's A Time To Kill and the more recent Stephen King's Dark Tower  to trash movies that my eyes have yet to recover from ::) ::) and well, you get what you get
(Of course Akiva also wrote A beautiful Mind which I did enjoy)

I just don't know if I want to come back or not.
 >:(

I started episode 1 but had to stop as the family rolled in from tennis practice and took over my day.  You guys aren’t making me too excited about getting into this.   :D

Still, I’m going to try and get caught up here this week since I finally finished Loki.

Well it is "better" than the first two seasons, honestly (even with my issues that include the total reach with the Barbara Gordon casting that is so damn confounding), and I will finish it one day, way down the line perhaps, but I hit these dialog or structure problems that are so easily avoided (especially from a guy that was in comics, should know what these characters would and would not do and should and should not say) and I just scratch my head. It boggles my mind that someone, anyone, that spent years reading comics, much less writing them, would have characters do some of the stuff shown or say some of the other. What kills me with a lot of the action is it is typical television streeeeetching of action.

Where as in Flash, every other episode you had people running off to "talk"  ::) here, in this, you have people not saying a damn thing when they should or doing things that ... ARRCHHH

For example, with the not talking aspect, and without spoiling anything -
If character "A" does something that makes no sense to Character "B", I mean none whatsoever, why would character "B" not try and discover what the hell is going on? Instead, for no reason at all, "B" just walks away from it, without trying to find out what the hell is going on. It drives me crazy. And these are "Heroes" don't forget. Not like they are not used to trying to help or trying to solve problems. But no, why do the right thing, in-line with the character, when you can draw the "tension" out for 5 more episodes? It is stupid, American TV is famous for it, and that is why I never watch network tv anymore.

It is lazy ass, stupid writing.

But yeah, season 3 is better so far
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I did finish episode 1 today and I see what you mean about the writing.  Still robotic IMO and they spend way too much time with "look how cool I am because I can use curse words!" stuff that it's cringe worthy.  But for what it is - I was good with this first episode.  Interested so far in the direction even though I wasn't as wowed as I thought I'd be from the trailer.

Made it through episode 3.  I agree with Perry on that one characters actions being “out of character”.  Thankfully the rest of the episode is good enough that I was able to ignore it.

I really enjoy Blackfire's character even though her back story is inaccurate.

New trailer for Season 4....

https://youtu.be/peeO4bwuPys (https://youtu.be/peeO4bwuPys)

Cool!  And it doesn't look like they've given too much away either.  I really like that!