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Title: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Perry on July 23, 2016, 05:50:52 PM
Well, this, looks, promising ... (though I am .... the black hair on Barry ...)



Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Jimmy T on July 23, 2016, 08:09:05 PM
They can make a decent trailer, but I doubt putting the images as they do in the trailer really defines what the movie will be like. I suspect more maudlin and brooding and sinister fuzzy evils from nowhere. I mean, it's still Snyder, so I suspect the suck will still come of it. Who knows. Maybe he got neutered enough and pressed down enough by other execs that this movie will not be a continuation of BvS.

I mean, the jokes between Diana and Bruce in the cave? They seem funny with the cutting of the trailer, but if the actual film doesn't have a little drum beat or flat sounding brass instrument to highlight the humor, it'll all be gallows humor like any time Alfred talked to Bruce in BvS.


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Jimmy T on July 23, 2016, 08:18:02 PM
And when did Barry Allen permanently become a dweeb? This is supposed to be a different universe than the CW; but all they did was ape the nebbish Peter Parker aspect of Grant Gustin's written role. Ugh. Where's the guy who can be the lodestone for Superman and Batman's collective moral compass? Where's the hero that EVERYONE respected and mourned when he died in COIE? *sigh*


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Perry on July 22, 2017, 06:04:02 PM
Newest Trailer WITH some spoilers, so beware!!!!



Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Mitch on July 25, 2017, 09:58:28 AM
And when did Barry Allen permanently become a dweeb? This is supposed to be a different universe than the CW; but all they did was ape the nebbish Peter Parker aspect of Grant Gustin's written role. Ugh. Where's the guy who can be the lodestone for Superman and Batman's collective moral compass? Where's the hero that EVERYONE respected and mourned when he died in COIE? *sigh*

Agreed.  I find myself wincing everytime Iron Flash appears on screen in each trailer I watch.  Like many, I have really come to like how Grant Gustin's Flash is written and portrayed.  And I'm aware that writers and actors associated with the film should feel free to put their own spin on the character and give us something different.

But wow... Ezra's Flash is just so irritating to me.  This film franchise desperately needs some levity, and Flash is just the character to provide it.  But like Jimmy said, give us the optimistic, hopeful heart of the group, not the dorkish bumbling sidekick / butt monkey. 

Flash should make us laugh, but not laugh at him.


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Perry on July 25, 2017, 01:57:43 PM
 :-\
I like this one a hell of a lot better than that dreadful CW "Love lost puppy" Flash. Bah, at least this flash has a scientist vibe to him instead of that cloyingly saccharine, high-school attitude crap.  >:( All Grant's Flash seems to do every other week is run as fast as he can to the nearest F'n Kleenex box for a tissue. Damn whiny little ... okay ... ahem ... I shall walk away from this discussion now
 :)

EDIT - Not meaning that Grant's Flash can't be enjoyed, of course, just that I can't seem to enjoy it.
 :)


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Mitch on July 25, 2017, 02:24:57 PM
Not sure this is really spoiler material or not, but it looks like certain characters will be included after all (which really shouldn't be a surprise/spoiler I suppose) based on this article regarding some reshoots.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/justice-league-reshoots-1202502433/


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Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Mitch on July 28, 2017, 12:58:50 PM

http://www.cbr.com/kevin-conroy-ben-affleck-best-live-action-batman/

High praise indeed.  8)


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Jimmy T on July 28, 2017, 08:11:29 PM
And when did Barry Allen permanently become a dweeb? This is supposed to be a different universe than the CW; but all they did was ape the nebbish Peter Parker aspect of Grant Gustin's written role. Ugh. Where's the guy who can be the lodestone for Superman and Batman's collective moral compass? Where's the hero that EVERYONE respected and mourned when he died in COIE? *sigh*

Agreed.  I find myself wincing everytime Iron Flash appears on screen in each trailer I watch.  Like many, I have really come to like how Grant Gustin's Flash is written and portrayed.  And I'm aware that writers and actors associated with the film should feel free to put their own spin on the character and give us something different.

But wow... Ezra's Flash is just so irritating to me.  This film franchise desperately needs some levity, and Flash is just the character to provide it.  But like Jimmy said, give us the optimistic, hopeful heart of the group, not the dorkish bumbling sidekick / butt monkey. 

Flash should make us laugh, but not laugh at him.

Hellz yeah to that, Iceman!

Also, the prolonged SDCC trailer, which showed Flash hanging around with Commisioner Jim Gordon...good gawd that suit looks even worse than I thought. Considering the Flash original design is one of the 3 greatest costumes ever (Him, Batman, and Spider-man; I don't even put Superman in the Top 3, I know truth ;) ), that armor look is stupid. Maybe...some how...it transitions even better on the big screen? We'll see.

I also think I'll be looking at Cyborg's armor all movie and just thinking it looks even more fake than Ryan Reynolds GL costume. Not sold on it AT ALL except as CGI nonsense.


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Jimmy T on October 27, 2017, 07:50:48 PM
Getting closer....hopefully I don't just keep thinking that entire thing was acted in front of blank green screens like The Phantom Menace, and the actors look continually lost pretending all this stuff is around them.

I'm thinking I may be partially right.

But at least I think I'm guaranteed an awesome Aquaman. ;D


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Perry on October 29, 2017, 06:12:19 AM
I am still soooo hopeful that it isn't even funny.

Man, if this does crash ... it is ... well no .... I was going to say it may set the tone of avoidance for DC (and perhaps other comic movies) for years, but with Wonder Woman haven done so well, I think this could be another Suicide Squad and survive, causing DC no real damage other than a little pie on the face.

But if it is good, like it looks (and we all hope) this is going to set the bar really high!!! In a good way, I mean.
 :)


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Jimmy T on November 11, 2017, 02:37:49 PM
Reviews are positive, for the most part.

Seems to be not perfect, but hey, enjoyable and fun to watch!

Hope I can maybe see it Thursday even!!


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Wringer on November 18, 2017, 01:02:56 PM
has anyone seen this yet...i so want it to be good but so far all i'm hearing is its "OK"


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Perry on November 19, 2017, 05:02:12 AM
Wondering the same.

Also hearing lots of mediocre responses so far. Not that it matters to my theater viewing  :D :D I will see this, good or bad, in about 2 to 3 months from now when it hits DVD or the Draft House.
  :D

But I do hope that those that hit in on the big screen have a good time, and that seems to be a 50/50 chance
 :(


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Jimmy T on November 19, 2017, 11:49:30 AM
I saw it. Surprisingly I quite enjoyed watching it. It's not our mediocre film it's not a bad film. I mean, it's not Hamlet, but for what happened between the two directors, I'm glad it turned out. I thoroughly just enjoyed watching the movie. I got a real long review coming on this later, but what I say is this and I hope you figure that it's meant to be up positive kind of? Remember the first Avengers movie? From when the characters had a fight a break up then they got all back together and fought the aliens for like an hour? That's essentially what this movie is. It's a popcorn movie


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Jimmy T on November 19, 2017, 09:05:25 PM
I think the reviews are being really harsh! 45 at Rotten Tomatoes? No way!! They gave better scores to MoS and BvS! What the hell!!

As long as you can enjoy just seeing the characters have their character moments, their action moments, and some good fun here and there, and you can just relax and watch something, I think you could enjoy it.

But I also think you could walk out thinking what a missed opportunity this was.

Which, if I be honest, I can also see occurring-I simply don't care. I was just happy to see the Justice League onscreen. While never been a Cyborg fan, Ray Fisher holds his own, makes the character his when he can, and doesn't appear to be 'that black guy' on the team.

Just loved Aquaman. Tatted up, dreads in hair or a blonde good looking surfer dude; doesn't matter to me, I just loved seeing his presentation here.

Flash was a little harder to watch-he was the comedic sidekick. His heroism isn't truly present-his powers are, but not his heroism. That makes me sad.

You can definitely see where this moive could have been that 'nearly unwatchable' version that was talked about a few months back-and that would be all Zach Snyder. And it's here, too. You can see how and imagine how things were re--edited, dropped, or twisted by some Whedon stuff. That disjointedness I was happy for, because it pulled this movie back from being BvS all over again.

If there is ANYTHING I truly take away from this, is that Warner Bros has a chance to move away from Zach Snyder, do well with people like Patty Jenkins (Wonder woman) and with hopes for the director Wan on Aquaman next year.

Snyder, his dystopian viewpoint, his Objectivism, his artistic destruction of establisments, has to go. It's been happening; it just needs to happen further.

I need me some good DC superhero movies.


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Perry on November 20, 2017, 11:44:46 AM
Have not read any reviews nor much here as I am trying to avoid as much as I can spoiler wise, but a few of my boys say that have more issue with the dialog and ... unrealistic events (yes, even a "super" hero movie) more than anything. A movie that could have been so much better, but just isn't.

That is what I hear.

Aquaman spends too much time being "surfer-boy-cool" (I have no idea what that means, but an actual quote), Batman, too much time not being Batman (Man that seems to be going around a lot) and a different Wonder Woman from her own movie is top of the complaints. Again, I have no idea what any of that TRULY means ... if anything. They may be just screwing with me too.

I have no way to judge, yet, as I am NOT going to see this in the theater now that the buzz is so bad.
 :-\


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: jedicow on November 20, 2017, 09:18:39 PM
can you believe that I haven't seen this yet, Perry?



going tomorrow.







Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Perry on November 21, 2017, 03:19:04 AM
can you believe that I haven't seen this yet, Perry?

Oh that's simple ... no. Not at all
 ;D

But I look forward to MAYBE seeing if you thought it was great, good, okay, weak or bad  :)


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: jedicow on November 21, 2017, 06:20:51 AM
my daughter had a dance competition out of town this past weekend which is the only reason I didn't go.  I need to have a serious talk with the people who put those things on about checking the movie release schedules when they set these things up.
 


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Jimmy T on November 21, 2017, 07:03:42 AM
To be honest, Perry, I really didn't think you would like this or go see it. I'm actually kind of curious what Jeff and Jedi cow think of it though.

I just let myself be a little kid and watch all my superheroes in live-action be alive on the big screen. I also know that's not a great reason to like the movie, but I like the other movies for far less reasons.


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Jeff on November 21, 2017, 02:30:32 PM
I havenít seen it yet but my expectations are actually pretty low.  Thatís a good thing and usually enhances my enjoyment of a film.  Hoping to find some time this week but if not, I had to take off the week of Dec 4 off to burn some vacation days.  Iíll definitely go see it that week.


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Perry on November 21, 2017, 02:49:50 PM
my daughter had a dance competition out of town this past weekend which is the only reason I didn't go.  I need to have a serious talk with the people who put those things on about checking the movie release schedules when they set these things up.
 

Amen, buddy. Shocked, absolutely shocked I say to find that you had not done so in advance
 :D

To be honest, Perry, I really didn't think you would like this or go see it..

I heard it is "better than Suicide Squad" so that helps. But you are right, it is tough for me to sit in theaters anymore so when I go I really have to be vested in the product. I was (vested) in this movie until I heard about the ... average reviews and opinions of it
 :(
I will certainly see it, or at least try here soon when it hits BluRay however ... or when it hits the Draft House.
 :)

And I think you got the best way to see any movie Jeff. I need to do that more. 
;D


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: jedicow on November 21, 2017, 09:08:35 PM
OK...so I liked it, but I didn't like it.  I liked it cause I basically just sat through a freaking SUPERFRIENDS live action movie.  I didn't like some of the characterization in it.

somehow, someway, the DCEU has just nailed Wonder Woman (and yes, I know there is a double entendre there).  I don't know how when they messed it up so bad with Superman, Green Lantern and basically everything in BvS other than WW but she is the brightest thing about this movie.  I hope they do 10 more WW movies with Gal Gadot.  She is brilliant as WW. 

The next part I talk about may be a tad confusing (I'm not even sure I get it).  I liked Ezra Miller's Flash but I also hated it.  Ditto for Aquaman.  If I take everything I know about the characters from the comics and just forget about them and take them at the face value of their movie counterparts, I like it.  But it gnaws at me that Aquaman speaks with all that slang and Flash acts the way he does (trying not to spoil it too bad.) when inside the fanboy in me is screaming that this is NOT the way they should be portrayed.  I had the same feelings for Thor in his recent flick also.

Steppenwolf being completely CGI, I'm not sure how i feel about that but it wasn't shoddy CGI.  I liked the parademons.  I liked the banter between Batman and Alfred even though I thought Batman was too witty and not the grim bastard we all know and love. 

There are 2 post credit scenes....

i was let down by the first one.  Actually, I was kinda let down by both of them because i expected it to be GL centric and Darkseid centric.  However, the appearance of that character in the second scene was FANTASTIC! even though it leaves me wondering what the plans for Darkseid are. 

I give it 7 Gleeks out of 10.


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Perry on November 22, 2017, 04:16:38 AM
Okay ... I got ya.

Hmmm, you summed up what I am hearing from most everyone here, much better than they by saying "... I liked it, but I didn't like it"

It summarizes what they are trying to say better than their head twists, shoulder shrugs and "well ... it's okay ... I guess"
 ;D

I know exactly what you mean AND why Jimmy thinks I probably wouldn't like it ... and he's probably right  :D but we'll see someday
 :)





Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Mitch on November 22, 2017, 12:46:49 PM
I saw it and had just about the same reaction that most of you had.  Just kinda OK.  A few thoughts I had after having seen it...

The GREAT:
1)  Gal Gadot still lights up the screen in every scene she's in.  Despite the dialogue she's plagued with, her action scenes and her presence were the best parts of the film.
2) 
Watching that amber-lit flashback to the epic ancient battle for the fate of the world and suddenly seeing those bright lime green hard light constructs light up from the green lantern.

The GOOD:
1)  Of all of them (besides WW), I was surprised to find my self most impressed with Ray Fisher's Cyborg.  He wasn't given a lot, but I thought he did a good job with what he had to work with.
2) 
Hey, whaddya know. Near the very end of the movie, we finally get an actual smiling Superman. Where have you been for 2 1/2 movies?

The OKAY:
1)  Flash was annoying but not as bad as I thought he would be.  There were parts in which he was genuinely funny.  He served as good comedy relief, but Flash's usual role as the "heart" of the group goes to Wonder Woman here (who also serves as the soul of the team, as well as the brains, etc.)
2)  Aquaman was a disappointment.  Think Thor, but darker, dumber, and grungier, with a trident instead of a hammer.  In his defense, it's hard to shoehorn Aquaman into a group where over 95% of the action takes place on dry land.  Given the extraterrestrial/cosmic nature of the villain, I think they missed a good opportunity to bring in GL instead.
3)  The villain was best described by one reviewer as something from a "Playstation 2 cutscene."  Can't really add much to that.

The BAD:
1) 
Superman was used as little more than a plot device most of the time.  Ok, let's have him dead to make the world a worse place.  Now let's use alien tech mumbo jumbo to bring him back mad (doesn't matter why or how) so we can have a fight scene with the team.  Now let's make him happy to join the team and pull their bacon from the fire at the end.
2) 
So the villain steals the first box from the Amazons after an epic bloody battle scene.  He then proceeds to steal the second from the Atlanteans after a somewhat less impressive effort.  Then, while the JL are dealing with the results of their science project gone bad, they leave the third box unprotected in a parking lot and the big bad just zips down and takes it without incident.
3)  Butt shots and upskirt shots.  At one point, the camera zoomed in so close to Gadot's rear end that we can see the outline of her underwear through her tight pants.  Plus, the Amazon's warrior armor and skirts have been replaced by stripperrific leather bikinis. C'mon, the Amazons (and the audience) deserve better than this.
4)  No Batman.  This time it's just Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne in a batsuit.

The WORST:
You smell that nasty stench at the end of the credits?  It's not vomit under the theater seats.  It's the end credits scene that gives us the return of Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor, the Jar Jar Binks of the DC film universe.  Not even the appearance of Slade Wilson is enough to soothe the nausea.  :P


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Jeff on November 22, 2017, 02:47:00 PM
I broke my cardinal rule and read the spoilers.  Now Iím going to love this movie since my expectations are even lower. :D

On a positive note I bet a lot, if not all of those ďbadĒ things were from Zach. Now that heís gone Iím hoping they will be too and the future of the DCEU will be brighter.  Maybe theyíll give the next one to the Wonder Woman crew.


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Mitch on November 22, 2017, 03:38:30 PM
Maybe theyíll give the next one to the Wonder Woman crew.

Agreed.  While Marvel's films run the spectrum from great to good to not-so-good, DC's movies have all been critically panned except for one that has been showered with accolades far above all the rest.  I have no idea why DC/Warner isn't begging Patty Jenkins to do more of their other movies.


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Perry on November 23, 2017, 03:57:01 AM
Well having NOT read the spoilers  :) I can only surmise (by uneducated, nonfactual thoughts  :D) that the difference between a lot of DC movies and Marvel movies is that Marvel, by and large, seems to take the characters seriously, as great fictional stand-ins, while DC tends to sometimes think of them as the 60's caricatures that most people use to see comics as being. The main exception, Wonder Woman, treated properly by a woman that knew the importance of getting her movie right, stayed on point with who the character truly is and what she means.

Again, I say this half jokingly, but still, thinking back, it does seem that the worst movies don't think "comic heroes" as anything but a joke and the few creative teams that really care for the humanity and substance that lies beneath the capes, are the ones that at least give us wholehearted effort to make a good movie. Profitable sure, it is all about the money ... but not JUST profitable.

Again, I say this in total ignorance as I have not seen this latest effort, but I'm only going on memory of the past, and more precisely both Schumacher's Batmans, Riami's third effort, FOX's Fantastic Four and that horrible, pathetic Suicide Squad. None of those movies were made with any care for the true nature of the characters or content. And sadly it seems I can add this now?

Okay, enough of that inner brain stuff ...  :D

Happy Thanksgiving !!!!!!!
 :)


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Mitch on November 23, 2017, 09:49:20 PM
Again, I say this in total ignorance as I have not seen this latest effort, but I'm only going on memory of the past, and more precisely both Schumacher's Batmans, Riami's third effort, FOX's Fantastic Four and that horrible, pathetic Suicide Squad. None of those movies were made with any care for the true nature of the characters or content. And sadly it seems I can add this now?

I don't think so.  I've never seen the new Fantastic Four or Suicide Squad, but I wouldn't say it is anywhere near as bad as Schumacher's Batman movies or Spider-Man 3.  Despite its plot holes and disappointing characterizations, I can honestly say that I still did enjoy the film for what it was and would consider watching it again on Blu ray. On the other hand, I still remember laughing out loud in the theater during Spider-Man 3 just as if I was watching Mystery Science Theater 3000 and I've never seen it again.


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Perry on November 24, 2017, 06:05:50 PM
Well, that is cool. Hope is still alive.
 :)


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Jeff on December 04, 2017, 12:45:34 PM
I practically had a private screening!  I went at 10:45am this morning and was the only one in the theater right up to where it started when 4 more people came in.   :D

And the verdict is.......I liked it.  That was pretty good.  I see how itís not ďepicĒ but not a bad movie.

I wonít rehash what others have said other then to agree that you HAVE to disassociate your comic book versions and let these versions stand on their own.  If you can do that I think you can enjoy this for what it is.  Flash will still be annoying but he really does have a few truly funny moments.  Gal Gadot owns the movie just by her screen presence alone. Aquamanís tough boy angst is cliche but his screen presence and awesomeness make up for it (somewhat).  Cyborg is a nice surprise. Affleck isnít terrible but heís the weakest of the characters. And
Superman
I liked a lot as well.

Itís not good enough to see twice in the theater but Iíll watch it again when it comes out on DVD.

Iíll give it 7 out of 10 para demons. And keep those expectations low, it definitely helped my enjoyment.


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Jimmy T on December 04, 2017, 08:14:52 PM
I still say it's quite enjoyable, and worth your time to watch.  ;) :) ;)


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Perry on December 28, 2017, 07:56:09 AM
Soooo, I started Justice League. I am only about an hour in and all I can say is Jimmy was partially right when he said I would not enjoy it.
 ;)

Now I have not read any past spoiler comments as I want to finish the movie first (Hope to this week) but for now I am taking a break and sharing a couple thoughts that I have, so far.
 ;D

This is not the Justice League. It just isn't. Most of the characters are not the characters they represent, so this can not be the team they are meant to represent.

That is not to say I didn't enjoy the characters, I did, but for the wrong reason. Aquaman was great, but very much NOT Aquaman. Flash was fantastic, but not even close to Flash. Cyborg was ... well, under the new DC I guess he was close, but Cyborg has failed for me ever since they turned him into the end all, be all of all things electronic/electric. What was once a great character with limited but cool powers is now the breathing God of Best Buy, packed with all sorts of appliances. He is the Silver Age Superman of current DC. There is NOTHING he can't do. And that equals boring as hell to me.

To me, this movie started badly from the get go basically due to the lack of any ... kismet between the characters. Bruce and Aquaman was brutal, watching Cyborg and his dad was rough, Barry and Bruce had no spark ... even though the room was full of it (Why oh why must Flash be all Lightening now just baffles me. Here and in the comics, every time he moves just Pow, zap, spark ... bolts everywhere.) Oh, and that Martha and Lois scene? Jesus Christ who the hell wrote that horrible piece of shit? From the lady on the news talking about her wanting to "anal probe" the aliens to they bullshit dialog shared between two very powerful actresses (or is actors the term now  ::)), man that scene needed a re-shoot. Wow that was bad.
 >:(

Okay, Steppenwolf. Yeah, laughable CG and sadly, dialog ("Leave her to me" and seconds later "Finish Her!"  ::)).
Speaking of Steppenwolf ... what in the hell was with the Hobbit origin story of his first earthly visit? The armies of man joined the armies of Atlantis and the armies of the Amazon ... oh and a Green Lantern was there. Man, that sure seemed like the battle of the 5 armies to me.

Anywho, I am at the part right after the Gotham river flooded the battle scene (why the hell was Bat's "Night Crawler" so damn big in the first place?) so I have about half left to go. So far at least I can say this is better than Suicide Squad, though not by much. But hey, DC still has Wonder Woman. Who they sure liked to show her ass in this movie, yeah?
 :-\
Be back later for more thoughts and to look through others reactions and thoughts
 :)


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Jimmy T on December 28, 2017, 09:51:43 AM
Looking forward to it Perry!  ;)


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Mitch on December 31, 2017, 10:16:00 PM
"God of Best Buy"
 :D :D :D


Title: Re: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Post by: Wringer on March 30, 2018, 10:51:51 AM
watched this on my flight home from CO the other week.  i thought it was decent enough.  little lacking in character motivation and depth but most of these are intros so thats to be expected.  I have not read DC on any kind of regular basis since the 80s so no idea if the characters aligned with current books so anything that was too off when over my head.

Villian was pretty empty with his only motivation being..."we tried this in the past and failed so lets try again"...no real connection to a larger threat and maybe DC wanted to try and tone that down due to past criticism...who knows.  Also though he sounded just like Ares in WW...no distinction between computer generated vocals.

But all said and done i though it was pretty good and had some good one liners and light heartedness that helps humanize the characters outside of gritted teeth and snarls