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Title: DC Relaunch
Post by: Jeff on January 23, 2016, 01:23:03 AM
Any thoughts on DC's pending title relaunch rumored to come in June?  I'm s it another universe reboot or just a new flood of number one's?


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on January 23, 2016, 02:31:06 AM
Well we now know that Snyder will be moving over to Detective (with the new news that Batman will now be once every two months now), so maybe a relaunch, maybe, but could be just a new onslaught of number ones sans relaunch as well. I saw where CBR was making the Flash: Rebirth and GL: Rebirth connection to maybe point at the new tweet "Rebirth" by Didio, but that guy ... who knows what he has plans for.
 ;D

All I know is their current lack of cohesion with the entire continuity is not that important is kinda forcing this "shared" universe to go all over the place. I agree you can't hold too tightly to continuity, but to have virtually none is not a good thing either, I think.

EDIT - And of course, like always I misunderstand the word bi-Monthly- Looks like Batman, and others (?) will be coming out twice a month. THAT Bi-Monthly, not the original silver-age version where Bi-Monthly meant every other month, but the twice-monthly style of the likes of Bi-Monthly Amazing Spider-Man and the like.

Yeah, that will do it.



Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Jimmy T on January 23, 2016, 11:30:14 PM
This just about has me spitting teeth.

Will you *fix* things, DC? Will your bullshit redo's and relaunches, retries and do-overs...end? Will you go back to a rich tapestry that was all pre-52, or will you try and moosh all that shit together into another complicated  mess that will blow up 10 years later, like after COIE?

This time....shit, this time I think I'm sitting out. Watch where the dust settles. It's what I'm doing with Marvel. I trust nothing here.


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on January 24, 2016, 01:42:41 AM
It's just too hard for both companies now.
Their years and years of success and even their pitfalls is just now hard to over come.

If they make things the "way the were", we get tired of the same ole story. Yet if they "try new things", we bitch because they change things. There is no true way to win on a grand scale for either of these companies. Oh sure, you can have successful titles, but there is no true way for them to win, at least in the public internet forum.

You get the obvious disconnect between Thursday internet posters who (like we all have) bitch and moan about one thing or another 400 and then you get the Wednesday buying fans who actually buy the comics and either enjoy them or don't yet just keep buying. Now yes, sometimes, most times, those people are the same. Hell, I have witnessed buyers complaining and still buy the comics they are railing against and I have (and this one is the biggie) witnessed fans saying that title "X" is shit, yet they have never read the damn thing.
 ::)

Regardless, DC is in a no win situation. Even if they "score big" with this ... whatever it is ... relaunch(?) ... over time, when the sales drop back down and more and more people once again complain that this isn't "their comics", we will be right back here again. They (or Marvel) will make a change only to start the process over again.

Up to me, I take Marvel and DC and just update all the old comics, De-Golden or Silver-Age them (kinda what Bendis did with Spidey in Ultimate Universe) and rewrite each comic. Start all over with a remix. Young guys will think it is original and the old guys get their older stories, but updated so it doesn't sound too cheesy. I mean ... deep down, isn't that what everyone wants? Their comic characters and their stories the way we remember them? Heck do it that way and in a few years I can relive my Perez avengers and my Byrne X-Men again. Maybe even get into Warlord more this time around.
 :-\

I am enjoying a lot of Marvel titles right now, but there is nothing over there that is THAT original. That is not a knock, some of it, heck ... again, a lot of it, is still really well done, but in reality, is it THAT different? Daredevil is now a court prosecutor and he has a sidekick now, but is this story that different from when he was a public defender and had Black Widow around? Sure, parts, but we've been here. Iron Man has another armor, yep, been there many times and is it just a matter of time before he's back to the bottle? Inhumans are hated by the world instead of the X-Men but the basis is the same. It's all been done and done to death

And if ... when DC gets turned around it will be the same there. Sure, the stories will be better, but will they not be just the same thing again? If they even take the huge step of returning Wally as Flash, wouldn't we get tired of those stories as well after awhile? Sure. SOme writer will come on and do something to piss off the readers of that title and we get what we have again. It is just the way of the beast.

The big two has been publishing stories for years upon years. The stories ... they are just hard to tell an original story now.

I'm not condemning ANYONE for their feelings, please know that, I am just as guilty as anyone here, I've bitched and bitched, but ya know what, I am trying now to make a conscious effort to not be negative about comics anymore. It's just not fun to do so. Why do it any longer?

I enjoy the hell out of what I am reading. If I don't, I stop and move to a title I do enjoy, but the idea of getting BACK to any era of comics, especially from the big two ... eh, I don't care. But I'm just rambling again. Shocker, I know.
 :D

And just because I am placing this right behind a Jimmy comment does not mean this is in response to his comment. It is not. At worse it was just a trigger to say something I've been meaning to say for awhile now. This is not directed at him. It's just ... ya know ... he's tired, I get it.
 :D

I feel it too.

But I'm not letting it get to me anymore. Jimmy is doing the right thing. The correct thing. Cutting back or falling away from the medium he feels has left him behind. It's smart. But for me, I'm still enjoying this crap. Not too much DC though, and I know that is the main point of Jimmy's ire, I understand and feel for him.
 :-\

But Jimmy, I just hope you find enjoyment elsewhere. It doesn't have to be Valiant  ;D, and it sure doesn't have to be Marvel, but there are still really good comics out there, buddy. I hope you have the will left in ya to find them. I know DC is kinda crushing your resolve.
 :-\
But again, they keep raising the price and we ... yes we ... keep bitching about the quality. Sometimes it is just time.
 :-\



Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on January 24, 2016, 01:58:42 PM
And this Relaunch rumor is becoming more and more a reality now as I have heard that Titans Hunt, originally a 12 issue maxi-series, will now be shortened to 8 issues.
 >:( >:(

Damn it, there goes any hope of a great ending of that series.

Damn it, there goes my decision to not bitch anymore.
 :D

Okay ... I meant to say, inquisitively with no malice - I wonder how they will end the series now?  ;)

And this isn't a complaint as much as an opinion, but if DC tries to bring in more of their TV and movie world into their comics, I will be reading less DC than I am now. I mean, good on 'em, but I have no interest in watching ARROW, must less reading it and Flash is fine where he is as well. I hope they don't make THAT the Flash comic. I am just curious as to what they mean by tying in more TV and Movie properties ... ?? Hopefully not as replacements.

And please don't cancel Grayson just to bring back Nightwing.
Please.
 :-\


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Jimmy T on January 24, 2016, 06:41:34 PM
See, Perry, you too can write a thesis as needed! ;D

That said, there is one quote from your letter that I wish to highlight on:

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There is no true way to win on a grand scale for either of these companies.

I say; quit doing grand scale.  8)

Now, true, it may be hard for the superstars of Superman, Batman, and Spider-man, but man, quit with the grand scale.

Here's where I'll blow your minds.

Ready?

Here it comes.

Follow Bendis' example.

(waits for Perry to get back up off the floor)

By this, I mean, look at his Daredevil. It's not a company altering event, but an exploration of events that occur within his life. The other titles that do well like this? Brubaker's Iron Fist. Spencer's Ant-Man. Hawkeye. Lemire's Green Arrow.

I say go even smaller to show how large your hero can fill the space. I know I've said this before, but here's how I'd do it.

***

The world continues on around our heroes. We, as viewers, now watch the world to see how our heroes react. Jimmy Olsen was homeless once and sleeping in the Planet's janitor rooms. Peter watched as his "enemy" photog Nick Katzenberg got lung cancer. Didn't Pepper and Happy lose a baby together before Happy eventually died?

I'll say that this is how you keep comics interesting (for the Big Two). Captain America was, honestly, garbage most days before Brubaker took over. He brought in the super spy stuff, the re-emergence of Bucky as the Winter Soldier, and we watched how the Star-Spangled Avenger dealt with this new world of counter-terrorism and military strikes when it came up against his hero persona paradigm. And it was great.

I'd like to say that there are always stories to tell. I mean, Batman and Superman have been doing it since 1938. Is 77 years the 'end' of their original stories? I mean, Batman in the last 4 years has been AMAZING (okay, Zero Year ran a little long ;) ). But, I think the tales are still there.

Now, this DC REBIRTH mantra...I'm really forgiving. I've got 2 friends that I continually go to bat for as good friends, stalwarts to me, rocks in friendships...but they keep cancelling events I plan with them...don't get back to me with emails or phone calls....disappoint me when they don't follow through with their intentions...but...sadly, no more.

I've changed my attitude towards them. I've moved 'my' part of the relationship past them. Oh sure, they are buddies, always easy to talk to when we get together, but not part of my life is significant when I consider if they can make it, or what they'll think of it. They aren't..important to me anymore.

I think DC just moved right alongside Marvel now in that regard. "oh, you're doing what? hey, that's cool man. Sure, I'll check it out! Put it out there, I'll give it a look-see and tell ya what I think. But hey, good for you guys!"

****

One, I hope I can love it. But I'll watch it now.

Two-I buy the shit out of Valiant now. ;)

Three-I just bought all 3 issues of Huck. Totally dug it! I think I may pick up some more from Millarworld. (At least, Jupiter's legacy and Superior now that it's done. What Ellis or Ennis or Moore stuff have I missed? Or Morrison?

Four-there is more Image stuff that I look to try, and I've followed a few writers to their small stuff. (Just read Remender's Devolution. Sorry Rick, you lost me when you used the supposed "god spot" in brains as your story vehicle. A plot point I'm jumping off of.)

But like you say, Perry, there are those that bitch but still buy. Complain, but still endorse. At least I know that I (and many of us) are starting to say 'no, enough is enough' and stopping bitching by stopping buying.


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on January 24, 2016, 08:03:48 PM
I am off to watch the newest Flash episode I have recorded, so I didn't read the entire thing yet, Jimmy, but I did read up to the "grand scale" part and I think I may have led you in the wrong direction ... I meant on a grand scale of reader approval, NOT on a grand scale story wise.

That may not be a big deal to what you are saying, I will have to find out later as I am heading back to the tv, but ... yeah ... that is what I meant by that.


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Jimmy T on January 24, 2016, 11:02:13 PM
I am off to watch the newest Flash episode I have recorded, so I didn't read the entire thing yet, Jimmy, but I did read up to the "grand scale" part and I think I may have led you in the wrong direction ... I meant on a grand scale of reader approval, NOT on a grand scale story wise.

That may not be a big deal to what you are saying, I will have to find out later as I am heading back to the tv, but ... yeah ... that is what I meant by that.

Ah...well, then I have a different tangent to the situation then. ;)

I essentially just wrote to what I want to see in comics then.


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on January 25, 2016, 01:38:45 PM
Let me try again ...
 :D

One - the big two have been around so long that all they do is recycle stories around characters.
 I am not saying I hate them all, I still buy, just saying that is what it is. Sure, on the outside some of the stories may seem new, but deep down it is all the same primarily. Planet Hulk had been done well before it stormed to fandoms enjoyment. It was just he was placed in another dimension instead of that Planet Hulk. Yes, okay, nothing is absolute. Every now and then an original idea will happen, of course, that is why there have been so many writers, but for the characters themselves ... the song remains the same most of the time. Just too much damn history with characters like Spider-Man, Batman, Superman ...

Two - I forgot what two was going to be.  :D :D :D I just got up, so ....

*ahem*

Anyway, I'm not saying there can't be good original stories (check out the recent title VISION for one hell of a new take), but I'm just saying mostly ... mostly ... it has all been done. And also ... OH YEAH !!! I remember ....

Two -  :D :D  .... The people will still complain on the internet about whatever the big two do because they can never satisfy the majority of people on the net. The Internet fans are always so boisterous just have to bitch and complain no matter what happens. The big two will never capture the "Make Mine Marvel" fanfare online. The net, and its anonymity just gives the "fans" too much voice and too little chance at repercussions.
 :-\

(Please note,  again,  I am not talking about you in any of this. Your comments only reminded me of something I have been thinking for a few. I realize you are not the typical comic book, internet poster. I am talking about the posters on sites like CBR and the like)
 :)

But anyway ... time to see what else has been posted around here !!  ;D


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Jimmy T on January 26, 2016, 01:58:12 AM
Oh good lord, with the internet, there's no way anyone would be Merrily Marching to the Make Mine Marvel song. No way!  :D


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on January 26, 2016, 01:58:53 AM
 :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on February 02, 2016, 02:09:31 PM
Bleeding Cool is gonna have a lot of news today it seems.

Already stated Batman #1 will be right after a Batman "Rebirth" issue and then go every two weeks. A little "Copy Pasta" here from them ...

In February, Batman #49
In March, Batman #50
In April, Batman #51
In May, Batman #52
In the first half of June either Batman #Rebirth or Batman Rebirth #1
In the second half of June, Batman #1
In the first half of July, Batman #2
In the second half of July, Batman #3.


 :)


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Jimmy T on February 02, 2016, 10:03:28 PM
So, just reading everything, this is what my brain spit out-

"Holy shit. DC is just imploding."

I mean, seriously, what the hell is going on? Isn't this what Convergence should have done? Of course not, that was essentially Assistant Editor Month at DC to do fill ins for the move to the west coast.

Should I be excited? What in the hell for? All I can think of is stuff that has been scrapped after a build up here and there in the New 52. Remember Lois Lane's one time live in blonde boyfriend? Of course not! How about the fact that they essentially caused George Perez to beat a path away due to such interefernce by issue #4 of 'Superman'?

Where has been the 7 Seas War of Atlantis in Aquaman? In Aquaman's title or the Justice League, I should say.

Notice how quickly Q-Corp and the media mogul aspect of Oliver Queen was jettisioned due to how poor that title was received by issue #8?

Wonder Woman has been turned into a ripe mess the moment Azzarello left. (okay, this may not be true, as I've ditched it after 3 issues of the Finches. But reviews I read do not find the title favorable either).

Remember Stormwatch, Demon Knights, Hawkman, or any of the other characters they tried to bring out to make the New 52 a little better?

All I see is a big blast of confusion. If those facebook commentaries from comics retailers reposted on Bleeding Cool are any indication of the true mass thinking of this, DC will seriously be hurting after Rebirth. I see it as a jumping off point as well.


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on February 08, 2016, 02:24:27 PM
Okay, so from what I am hearing from a couple podcasts and seeing from BC and the like, I may be jumping back into DC pretty heavy again once the relaunch hits. It appears as though, and this could all be wrong of course, that -

Prior to relaunch, all number one titles will receive a Rebirth #1. So ... yeah ... more money  ;D

Lots of Harley Quinn, but I care little to nothing about her so ... yeah ... lots of her it seems.

JSA will return and no longer be ignored. Rumored Johns return here. Hmmmm Maybe.

Grayson will end but Nightwing will return AND he will be back in blue and not that ridiculous 'Aim and shoot here' red

Midnighter will end but Authority will return. Hopefully with the same creative. That's great!!!

Green Lantern will end but will return as Green Lantern and the GL Corps with Hal being just a space cop again. Yay!!!

Starfire will end but Titans will return. Not sure if this is the same title Damien will be in.

Teen Titans will end and relaunch with Damien as leader of the team. Not sure if this is the same team with Starfire

Superman/Wonder Woman and Batman/Superman will now be canceled but relaunched into Trinity #1

Superman (or Action or both) #1 will be written by Tomasi. (Already started with the latest solicits)

Detective #1 with Snyder - Says it frees him to not be so tied into main DC and can tell harsher/stranger stories

Batman #1 with Tom King (??) - that is what one podcast claims. While I hope so, I also fear it will stifle King

Lots more, but I now have to go ...
 :D :D


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Jeff on February 08, 2016, 04:31:01 PM
Prior to relaunch, all number one titles will receive a Rebirth #1. So ... yeah ... more money  ;D

For some reason I don't mind this.  I'll only get the Rebirth issues of the titles I'm curious about of course but could be fun.


Lots of Harley Quinn, but I care little to nothing about her so ... yeah ... lots of her it seems.

I'll save money here.  No interest either.


JSA will return and no longer be ignored. Rumored Johns return here. Hmmmm Maybe.

Yeah, I'll be on this.  Loved John's JSA and will give him the benefit of the doubt.


Grayson will end but Nightwing will return AND he will be back in blue and not that ridiculous 'Aim and shoot here' red

As much as I like Nightwing I'm not happy about this.  I really love what is going on in the Grayson title.  I hate to lose that.  I'll still try Nightwing out but I will miss Grayson.


Midnighter will end but Authority will return. Hopefully with the same creative. That's great!!!

I'll give Authority a chance.  I have the first few issues of Midnighter but haven't got to them yet. But I suspect I will like it as it ties into Grayson.  That bodes well for Authority since it is the same creative team.


Green Lantern will end but will return as Green Lantern and the GL Corps with Hal being just a space cop again. Yay!!!

I'm excited about this.  I may be back on GL after a long hiatus.


Starfire will end but Titans will return. Not sure if this is the same title Damien will be in.

Teen Titans will end and relaunch with Damien as leader of the team. Not sure if this is the same team with Starfire

I'll always give a new Titans title a shot if it has my old characters in it.  If they combine the old and new together into one title that could be interesting also.  I'm interested in hearing more and will likely give it try.  Damien and Starfire together could be interesting to see since they are so different.


Superman/Wonder Woman and Batman/Superman will now be canceled but relaunched into Trinity #1

I'll pass.  Could be great but I'm not interested.


Superman (or Action or both) #1 will be written by Tomasi. (Already started with the latest solicits)

Love Tomasi but I'll wait to hear what others say before dropping some $$$.


Detective #1 with Snyder - Says it frees him to not be so tied into main DC and can tell harsher/stranger stories

Got kind of tired of Snyder on Batman but I won't be able to resist this.  Especially if Bruce is back in Bat.


Batman #1 with Tom King (??) - that is what one podcast claims. While I hope so, I also fear it will stifle King

I'll probably try this out as well.


On some of these I might wait a few months for when Comixology drops the prices to $1.99.  Otherwise I might as well go back to DCBS.


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on February 09, 2016, 12:54:27 AM
On some of these I might wait a few months for when Comixology drops the prices to $1.99.  Otherwise I might as well go back to DCBS.

Ha, right? Of course what you could do is get a pal or two to share the cost and share the reading. Works great!!  ;)

I also hear of a Birds of Prey relaunch with Simone. Will try that as well as I really dug her early run on the title way back when.

Very interested to see what they do about Barbara Gordon, whether BoP is happening or not. I mean BoP is not the same without Oracle, but can DC just cripple a person to get a character's return?

I know I will try pretty much all of them, but I still plan on keeping my DC reading to about 9 or 10 titles, but hopefully more diverse than the mostly Bat titles I seem to be reading now. Heck, take away the Bat related books or the Bat family books and I read 3 or 4 DC titles? Midnighter, Omega Men (which I am behind on) Flash and Wonder Woman ... on occasion. Take away the two I am really enjoying (Midnighter and Omega) and neither Flash or WW is blowing my socks off and could easily be dropped from my reading pile.


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on February 19, 2016, 01:51:09 AM
Most of the new DC stuff will return to the $2.99 price point!!!! Hot damn. Thanks, DC.

Saddened, greatly by the cancellation of Midnighter, and no addition of Authority or some book with him in it, but will be jumping on Nightwing, at least one of the Titans books (maybe both Teen and Titans proper, depending on creative team), Wonder Woman (if Bennett is coming over there) and will certainly look into Batgirl and the BOP. Other than that ... I pretty much stay the same, overall I think.

Glad to see Tom King getting respect, but hate to see him leave Vision and will be dropping that title, most chances, once he is gone. Oh, but yeah, I will be adding whatever title he will be writing (Batman and/or Superman or other)

Best news for me ... though it all ... I just hope this price point sticks for awhile and Marvel has to take measures ... sure would be nice.
 ;)

EDIT - and oh yeah, will certainly get Blue Beetle ... depending which one it is  :-[


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Jimmy T on February 19, 2016, 04:11:53 AM
All I honestly will say is "we'll see."

I got nothing else. Probably shouldn't have read this news so late at night before I go to sleep.

*shrugs*


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Jeff on February 19, 2016, 01:08:22 PM
June:
Rebirth Specials:
AQUAMAN REBIRTH #1
BATMAN REBIRTH #1
THE FLASH REBIRTH #1
GREEN ARROW REBIRTH #1
GREEN LANTERNS REBIRTH #1
SUPERMAN REBIRTH #1
TITANS REBIRTH #1
WONDER WOMAN REBIRTH #1

New #1 Issues (Shipping twice monthly):
AQUAMAN #1
BATMAN #1
THE FLASH #1
GREEN ARROW #1
GREEN LANTERNS #1
SUPERMAN #1
WONDER WOMAN #1

New Issues (Shipping twice monthly):
ACTION COMICS #957
DETECTIVE COMICS #934

July
Rebirth Specials:
BATGIRL & THE BIRDS OF PREY REBIRTH #1
HAL JORDAN & THE GREEN LANTERN CORPS REBIRTH #1
THE HELLBLAZER REBIRTH #1
JUSTICE LEAGUE REBIRTH #1
NIGHTWING REBIRTH #1
RED HOOD & THE OUTLAWS REBIRTH #1

New #1 Issues (Shipping twice monthly):
HAL JORDAN & THE GREEN LANTERN CORPS #1
JUSTICE LEAGUE #1
NIGHTWING #1

New #1 Issues (Shipping monthly):
BATGIRL #1
BATGIRL & THE BIRDS OF PREY #1
THE HELLBLAZER #1
RED HOOD & THE OUTLAWS #1
THE SUPER-MAN #1
TITANS #1

Fall
Rebirth Specials:
BATMAN BEYOND REBIRTH #1
BLUE BEETLE REBIRTH #1
CYBORG REBIRTH #1
DEATHSTROKE REBIRTH #1
EARTH 2 REBIRTH #1
SUICIDE SQUAD REBIRTH #1
SUPERGIRL REBIRTH #1
TEEN TITANS REBIRTH #1
TRINITY REBIRTH #1

New #1 Issues (Shipping twice monthly):
CYBORG #1
DEATHSTROKE #1
HARLEY QUINN #1
JUSTICE LEAGUE AMERICA #1
SUICIDE SQUAD #1

New #1 Issues (Shipping monthly):
BATMAN BEYOND #1
BLUE BEETLE #1
EARTH 2 #1
GOTHAM ACADEMY: NEXT SEMESTER #1
SUPERGIRL #1
SUPERWOMAN #1
SUPER SONS #1
TEEN TITANS #1
TRINITY #1


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on February 19, 2016, 01:44:43 PM
Also, like most, I'm very worried about that twice-monthly schedule for 17 DC books. That is a huge number, one that I just can't see being maintained ... especially on books like Cyborg?!?!

If it was just their top titles, the first seven titles they are doing that contains the League members (well, mostly) I could see it, but yeah, Deathstroke twice a month is a lot different that Flash or Batman twice a month. Gonna be hard as it is with the talent on just the first seven titles


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Jeff on February 20, 2016, 03:22:40 AM
I so wish this would happen.  But I know it won't.  >:(

http://www.newsarama.com/28065-geoff-johns-dc-have-to-rebirth-wally-west-don-t-they.html#st_refDomain=m.facebook.com&st_refQuery= (http://www.newsarama.com/28065-geoff-johns-dc-have-to-rebirth-wally-west-don-t-they.html#st_refDomain=m.facebook.com&st_refQuery=)


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on February 20, 2016, 01:06:24 PM
 :D


 :-\ (Probably not)


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Jimmy T on February 20, 2016, 03:21:08 PM
Honestly, they should.

Is the Flash being filled with abundant fans of the NewBarry? If its an older population, anyways, who reads comics, why don't you give them the person they want to read?


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on February 23, 2016, 01:34:10 PM
Exactly.


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Jimmy T on February 27, 2016, 02:23:01 PM
So, now that I'm actually awake, and I take pause to look at that list, I ask this:

Will any else besides me buy 3 Aquaman comics in one month????

Look at the June List; all those characters have the Rebirth issue, then 2 more comics come out for the twice monthly shipping in June. Superman and Batman get a fourth & fifth by having Action and Detective return that month as well.

Now, I've always wanted comics faster, yes, but if one issue is the amazing art of Ivan Reis, and the next issue is Igor Kordey, I'm going to be pissed. Consistency...yeah, but I essentially would not want to see 'dead air' in my comics as I wait for the next good one to come along.

But, that much Deathstroke? Really? I've been thinking of dropping it, and now more coming out is going to help it? And, like it was said, seriously, CYBORG? Has that been burning up the charts without me knowing it?

I'm beyond jaded now with both companies. Show me you can do well, and I'll come back and buy.


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on February 27, 2016, 02:39:53 PM
Has it been stated they are following the "Rebirth" issue with issues 1 and 2 in the same month? I just assumed it would be a Rebirth issue and then, two weeks later, issue #1. Followed next month by issues 2 & 3.

Of course, looking at that amount of titles, that would mean DC would be publishing only 17 titles the first month, but that is the way I took it, but yeah, maybe it is Rebirth, 1 & 2 in the same month. Hmmmm ...

And what has Marvel done to you? Why jaded on them? They have some great, great stuff out right now and no, I'm not just saying that as a Marvel guy  :) Just wondering what they did recently.


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Jimmy T on February 27, 2016, 03:19:31 PM
Has it been stated they are following the "Rebirth" issue with issues 1 and 2 in the same month? I just assumed it would be a Rebirth issue and then, two weeks later, issue #1. Followed next month by issues 2 & 3.

I had wondered that too. I know that list is a direct paste of the listing that I've seen. So, as they list it as a Rebirth special, then a #1 drops, and they say its twice monthly shipping...well, I assume #1&2 come out that same month. But I'm really not sure. It'll certainly go one way or the other!  ;)

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And what has Marvel done to you? Why jaded on them? They have some great, great stuff out right now and no, I'm not just saying that as a Marvel guy  :) Just wondering what they did recently.


As cool as Secret Wars was/is, its still another link in the chain of Marvel's super events every 6 months to shake things up. I know coming out after SW, the books 'advance 6 months' from previous events, right? I'm trying to wrack my brain and remember if Marvel had done this already 2-3 years ago in publishing history. I can't remember right now, so I could be wrong.

I mean, I hope it shows that I'm getting sick of these resets. I had hoped that Marvel might do something really cool for Spider-man (well, cool to me), but you got 2 Spider-man running around in one NYC (which, again, even I have said too many copies spoil the original), Spider-gwen somewhere, that Web-warriors title, another title set with Peter in high school (NO ONE CARES AT ALL, ANYMORE, ABOUT PETER PARKER IN HIGH SCHOOL!!!)* .

Duggan at least got to reset the Hulk-verse, but now I don't get to see what happened between Bruce & Doc Green-because that's all gone.

Is Bendis' Tony the Axis-Tony prick? Or was that washed away?

The changes with Cap? How's that being addressed? Did Axis Cap-Falcon get swept away?

Does Bendis' X-men run feed into current story? (Okay, this may, I have no clue, but its a question I have).

I think from Marvel, I've just grown to distrust that what I like may actually stick around in a year-or what I like will invariably get screwed with by a mega event. And that's the same distrust I have with DC currently.


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Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on February 27, 2016, 04:21:59 PM
Okay, lots to copy and paste here, so here we go ..  ;D

... But I'm really not sure. It'll certainly go one way or the other!  ;)

That it will, good sir.  :D :D Good call.

As cool as Secret Wars was/is, its still another link in the chain of Marvel's super events every 6 months to shake things up. I know coming out after SW, the books 'advance 6 months' from previous events, right? I'm trying to wrack my brain and remember if Marvel had done this already 2-3 years ago in publishing history. I can't remember right now, so I could be wrong.

The books advanced 8 months, but yes, a little over half a year and I can't think of a story they did that, other than the original Secret Wars back in the day as a way to continue the monthly titles while the event was taking place. I think they were advanced a few months to explain why every character "Popped" out of their books at the end of those issues, only to return the next with the changes in-place. Though the timing of the Black Costume makes me rethink that ... but I am sure Marvel did advance the titles then ... Hmmm ... but the black costume didn't show up unitl SW #8 ... I think ... right? Hmmmm, now I'm lost.
 :D :D
But other than that ... I can't recall, but would be interested if you do think of one
 8)

I mean, I hope it shows that I'm getting sick of these resets. I had hoped that Marvel might do something really cool for Spider-man (well, cool to me), but you got 2 Spider-man running around in one NYC (which, again, even I have said too many copies spoil the original), Spider-gwen somewhere, that Web-warriors title ....

Now I am not at all going to talk ill of Miles being in MU proper now (I love it ... even though his first issue was less than spectacular ... or amazing ... or superior ... or  :D :D ... it was good though) but I agree. Why not move one out to the West Coast? And read Spider-Woman when it hits MU ... much in the vein of Ant-Man, but with a different art style) I can't speak of Gwen or Silk as I have no interest in those books what-so-ever but with Web Warriors at least you get Universe hopping. Not just staying in New York (though I am not sure if they only shift to other New Yorks. Ha)

....  another title set with Peter in high school (NO ONE CARES AT ALL, ANYMORE, ABOUT PETER PARKER IN HIGH SCHOOL!!!)* .

AMEN !!!! Of course Miles works very well there!!!  ;D ;D

Duggan at least got to reset the Hulk-verse, but now I don't get to see what happened between Bruce & Doc Green-because that's all gone.

Another Marvel title I can't speak of. I have been off the Hulk for far too long and really need to get back, but I have no interest in the newest version with
Amadeus Cho being the Hulk
. I tried it and ... honestly, heck, you may like it. It has a younger edge to it that 90's comic fans (or those that grew into comics at that time) may enjoy. Maybe. Though don't kill me if you don't.
 ;D

Is Bendis' Tony the Axis-Tony prick? Or was that washed away?

No. Tony is back to being Tony, though I'm not sure if that horrible alien story-line has been wiped ... not Bendis' doing so not sure if it is still around. Ya know, where
Tony's father isn't his true father or some shit.
I hope that got wiped in SW !!!

The changes with Cap? How's that being addressed? Did Axis Cap-Falcon get swept away?

Not sure what part you mean here. Cap is still old (for another three months and then he returns) and Falcon is still Cap and has a new side ... well I will wait until you get caught up with that one.
 :D

But yeah, what part are you talking about so I can maybe answer it mo' better. Maybe

Does Bendis' X-men run feed into current story? (Okay, this may, I have no clue, but its a question I have).

No idea as I am just now jumping back into the X books after being away for many, many year, but I doubt it. The X books have, from what I can tell, almost been restarted (not rebooted) so this "fresh start" has allowed me to better jump into their stories, but I am still kinda learning some of the history that has not been in the past events like AvX and the like ... the little I do know about the X-Men

I think from Marvel, I've just grown to distrust that what I like may actually stick around in a year-or what I like will invariably get screwed with by a mega event. And that's the same distrust I have with DC currently.

Well, okay, I can kinda see that, but honestly, the only thing I see (and only from the books I am reading, so my point of view is solely from those titles) is that only the "bad" stuff is being lost. For the most part. Again, based on only the books I enjoy. With Hulk for example ... I haven't read it, so I am sure you have lost some stuff that you may have enjoyed. I just can't say.

I can't personally think of anything that Marvel changed from event to event that really matters to the universe as a whole, but again, I only read a certain portion of their universe. A large portion  ;D, but still.

Changes to Iron Man, the good stuff is still there. The bad has hopefully gone away.

Now with the newest "Event" coming - Civil War II - I am sure there will be more changes, but not sure if the changes are what we could consider natural or not. Those are the changes I don't mind and really enjoy. When the change comes naturally. Not like when Tony
suddenly had a new father and he was genetically linked to ... fuck who knows what
. That is some stupid shit and I hope the change took all that away!!!!
 ;D ;D

I do like (and you may hate it  ;) ;D) how Marvel is incorporating all their "big changes" (think - all of their "Crisis" Events) into the universe. They are actually saying that their wipes, or major changes are part of the way the universe works. The universe, the Marvel universe has been rearranged seven times prior. Thanks to the Secret Wars event that just past, they are on reset #8. This is the newest Marvel Universe. Even the resets are part of their history!!!

This is kinda cool (only that they are acknowledging the fact they do reset the stuff) and also helps with age of characters.
 :D

And they even have a new cosmic element of immense power called Isotope 8 or Iso 8 (I think that came from the game app. hahaha).

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 :D :D I need to add that to my sig
 :D :D :D


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Jimmy T on March 19, 2016, 06:11:13 PM
Haven't read a thing at all about what will be happening to make Rebirth occur, but man, DC's issues 50s are not hitting really strong for me. And kicking us with a $4.99 price tag does not help!

C'mon, DC! Make me want to fall in love with your titles-yet again! I'm waiting for my 6 month delay to see if I can do the same thing with Marvel titles!!


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on March 19, 2016, 06:56:53 PM
I am getting worried only so far as I read they have just now started to finalize contracts with some of the creative teams. Why did they not do this way in advance?

I do, honestly, hope this goes over well and I am sure some if not most of the titles will (Like Batman, Detective, etc ...) but if you are just now getting the creative teams straight, on a project that could make you or at least finally get you fired (Didio and Lee) that is not without worry.

I already have serious, very serious doubts about bi-weekly Aquaman, Wonder Woman and and two Titans books, two Batgirl books and two GL books ... I don't need delays from the jump to make it worse or more scary.

I am living through Marvel's over indulgence now (way too many titles) and that was well planned. I am just worried this is going to go over like New 52 but worse as this time ... what could possibly be the excuse.

Still hopeful, yes I am, but not liking things that are only rumors right now. That is the good thing, it's just talk about things right now.


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Jimmy T on March 20, 2016, 07:56:39 PM
There have been times where I wonder if this could be the last gasp for Didio. I mean, I thought they hit some big highs with everything that lead up to Infinite Crisis, and later Final Crisis, but since then...questionable decisions and movements at best. I mean, it's not 90's Marvel dire, but shit, with the market shares lost each month to Marvel, DC needs something!


Title: Re: DC Relaunch
Post by: Perry on March 21, 2016, 12:20:49 AM
And now Snyder is off Detective ???

OH COME ON!!!!!!  >:(