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Title: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on April 18, 2015, 05:56:27 AM
Sah-Weet !!!



Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on April 18, 2015, 09:18:03 AM
begood begood begood BeGood BEGood BE GOOD!!!!


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jeff on April 19, 2015, 11:39:24 AM
Still not sure about this one.  I think I'll be a doubter as until I see it.  Just can't get my head around Affleck as Batman with the robot Christian Bale garble Batman voice.

But I WANT it to be good!!


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on July 12, 2015, 05:17:24 AM
 :o

OH


MY


GOD




Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jeff on July 13, 2015, 05:06:28 AM
Looking very promising. Luther with hair?  I actually like it.


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on July 13, 2015, 02:50:47 PM
Oh God....PLEASE BE GOOD BE GOOD BEGOOD BEEEEGOOOOOOODDDDD!!!!


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on December 03, 2015, 06:43:20 AM
Oh God....PLEASE BE GOOD BE GOOD BEGOOD BEEEEGOOOOOOODDDDD!!!!

I think we are gonna be pleased ... or extremely disappointed ... this looks amazingly good  :)



Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jeff on December 03, 2015, 12:56:51 PM
Wow.  That looks sweeeeet!


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on December 04, 2015, 07:59:51 AM
Oh I hope so!!!! :D

All I noticed was the Doomsday eyeblast fallout that wrecked half the city again. Snyder and his disaster porn!!


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on December 04, 2015, 08:04:48 AM
 :D Oh yeah. Michael Bay Jr.


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on February 11, 2016, 05:02:19 PM
THAT....THAT..!!!!!

THAT final BvS trailer, with THAT kind of Batman action is what I've been WAITING to see my whole life!!!! That's how MY Batman moves and fights!!!!

The first 30 seconds of that trailer alone blows me away. Wow. Loved it!!!


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jeff on February 12, 2016, 08:30:46 AM

Wow.  Looks pretty good.


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on February 12, 2016, 11:55:11 AM
Ha, this Bats be strong! Pushing bad guys faces through floors?!?!

HELLS YEAH!!!
 ;D ;D

Already told the wife we are going the Wednesday after opening. I'm going to see Superman in the theater? Me? Wow!! Sure, it's on the back of Batman, but still
 :D


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on February 12, 2016, 03:38:42 PM
Already told the wife we are going the Wednesday after opening. I'm going to see Superman in the theater? Me? Wow!! Sure, it's on the back of Batman, but still
 :D

*passes right out*


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on February 12, 2016, 06:29:07 PM
Already told the wife we are going the Wednesday after opening. I'm going to see Superman in the theater? Me? Wow!! Sure, it's on the back of Batman, but still
 :D

*passes right out*


 :D :D :D


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jeff on March 24, 2016, 10:15:28 AM
Hmmm.  Rotten Tomatoes gave this a 32% fresh.   Audience score is 78%.  Doesn't sound good.   ???


Title: Batman V Superman
Post by: jedicow on March 26, 2016, 08:48:26 PM
come on!  who saw it?


Title: Re: Batman V Superman
Post by: Wringer on March 27, 2016, 07:52:09 AM
seeing it latter today


Title: Re: Batman V Superman
Post by: Jeff on March 27, 2016, 10:58:44 AM
I saw it yesterday.  I liked it.  I will say it is about 30 minutes too long.  They could have cut out a lot of the setup and still had it make sense.  However, it is no where near as bad as the critics are saying.

I liked Eisenberg's villain but this is not Lex Luthor.  If I think of him as Lex, I hate it.  But if I think of it not as Lex, I like it.

Affleck, as much as I hate him as an actor, actually delivers a pretty decent Bruce Wayne.  I'm not 100% on him in the suit as Batman, but I'll give him credit where its due on Bruce Wayne.

There's a lot to pick apart in this movie.  But overall, I enjoyed it.  Especially once they finally started moving the pace after the party at Lex's house.

I'll give it a 7 out of 10 Bat Brandings


Title: Re: Batman V Superman
Post by: Wringer on March 27, 2016, 06:25:09 PM
Not a bad movie.  Enjoyed Ben as the Bat & Bruce.  Supes certainly looked the part and love his flying machanics but wish is costume was brighter.  What we see of WW was fun and she seems to like a good brawl...I thinks she's the only one who smiles the whole movie. .  I just feel there is something missing from these films besides the sun😉 but still a decent film


Title: Re: Batman V Superman
Post by: Jimmy T on March 28, 2016, 06:23:34 AM
Haven't seen it yet. I have a 4 day old. My wife insists that I will go see it, but, well, lots of things have to occur at home for me to feel comfortable for an evening out to happen.

As Wringer states:

[q] I just feel there is something missing from these films....[/q]

I think most of us would feel that way, or especially felt that way after Man of Steel. What was missing?

I had a friend at the time sum it up this way: It's a pretty good movie as long as you don't think of that character as actually Superman.

and I'm like-damn-that's more or less true.

That film, and perhaps some of BvS (have to see it) seem to me to be any Marvel film before Marvel Studios and Iron Man. You had Blade-really good!; but you could do whatever you wanted with the lore due to it being blade. You had X-men-great! Sure, Mystique is dating Magneto, Toad is...whatever he is. You don't have the original 5 X-men at all, but you had some commercial success. why? You made big canon/story changes while still keeping with character essence.

I cannot see any character essence shared between Reeve/Superman and Cavill/Superman.

Another point I add is how Zach Snyder describes "his vision" of Superman. I've seen that word used alot in interviews-"his". Meaning this is Znyder's Superman, not ours. You know what you heard expressed by Whedon through 2 Avengers movies; with Joe Johnston and the Russo brothers in the 2 Cap movies? "Character History"

Snyder's work has no character history. It's his own fanfiction (lets be honest, it completely is). Now, that can work. It works amazingly so with Guardians of the Galaxy. Much of their histories are jumbled, created in a manner necessary for storytelling. The beats of Ant-man are correct, but they are sampled into a new song by a different rapper. But the essence remains the same.

I can't see my Superman-A Superman at all-in Man of Steel.

Snyder makes his moments-and what moments!! I loved to see Suckerpunch for the moments. But the story was damned stupid. And when the end of Suckerpunch bogged down into "story" the movie dovetailed into nonsense and garbage. But watching WW2 bombers piloted by hot stripper chicks shooting at dinosaurs or super robots at a monastery! Oh, F### yeah, I laughed and loved the visual!

But I've always known Snyder is all show and no tell. I was just fine with that in most cases. But, it really feel apart when confronted with Man of Steel.


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on March 29, 2016, 08:29:02 AM
Was actually gonna go tomorrow and see this. Yes, me in a theater (only for the Batman part I assure you  ;)) but now I am thinking I may just wait and catch it later. Maybe. Not sure yet.

I hear it isn't bad, and some really like it. However, most of the people I talk to at shops express their feelings to me with a cocked to the side head and a draw on the word bad -
"It's not baaaaaaaad ..."

Not a huge selling point either way  :D :D

I may break down and see it though, just for Wonder Woman  :D :D


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jeff on March 29, 2016, 10:22:45 AM
I saw it on Saturday.  It's a lot better than the critics are saying.  It is about 30 minutes too long with the setup but it ends with a bang.  I liked it.

Just pretend Lex Luthor is NOT Lex Luthor  (because he's not) and you will still enjoy it.  Good villain just not Lex.


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on April 05, 2016, 01:59:08 PM
Its been out 2 weeks and I still haven't seen it.  :o

However, I believe the wife will be kicking me out this weekend to go see it.

I have a hope that this adult comic cinematic universe can grow, and thrive.

But I don't believe Zach Snyder should be the one at the helm of it. I just don't. Hell, the guys who make Fast & Furious movies would probably do a better job; they've stretched the thin veneer of a 'story' through 7 movies about car chases and stunts! Imagine if they had great material to work with!!

Just don't replace Snyder with McG, as was once rumored well before Man of Steel.


Title: Re: Batman V Superman
Post by: krono0666 on April 06, 2016, 10:50:17 PM
I didn't hate the film... but I didn't like it either.  If you had an enjoyment of Man Of Steel and the tone it set, then chances are, you'll enjoy this movie.  But me... I just didn't "like" it.  I didn't enjoy it.  There were no times that I felt a giddy sense of happiness that I should have gotten when the Trinity finally appeared on the screen.

Here's the thing, the movie is filled with great moments.  Taken as moments, they're fantastic.  Ben Affleck as Batman?  Great! Wonder Woman kicking ass?  Amazing!  The Batman warehouse fight?  Best Batman fight on film!

But when you take those moments and try to weave them into a narrative, it collapses.  There are so many story, plot, and character diffeciencies that I could not get past the problems.  Character motiviation is all over the place and, quite honestly, the creators have absolutely no idea what to do with Superman.  I wanted to love the movie... hell, I just wanted to like it.  But in the end, it's flaws just dragged me down.


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on April 10, 2016, 06:05:36 AM
So what was your verdict, Jimbo?

I still have yet to see it, so if you could please let me know early in your reply so I can avoid the fear of spoilers ....  ;D ;)

It's getting too close to Cap now (and I can't force myself into a theater twice in 30 days, ya know  :D), so I am just gonna wait on this as I just have heard some very apathetic opinions. 

However, I've been rapidly skimming all the comments here and so far, everyone has done a great job of keeping most "in movie actions" quiet if not behind spoiler tags. Good job, by the way, guys!!!!!
 :)


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jeff on April 10, 2016, 07:45:10 AM
Honestly, there's a pretty big spoiler that I can't believe hasn't leaked out.  I'm not sure how long it will keep so I'd recommend going to see it as soon as you can.  I think this spoiler would ruin someone from being able to enjoy to it...


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on April 10, 2016, 08:42:33 AM
 :)
Thanks for the warning, my man  8)

I don't know, I just hate the theater so much, I mean like

Hate X a lot² to the power of ∞

and one thing I hate more than that is coming out of a theater less than happy. And I just hear not so great things from at least 3 people that share my ... kinda taste and thoughts most of the time. This movie just scares me and I think maybe because, unlike Jimmy (who remained calm about its prospects for most of the time) I really put it up as a "This just looks too good to be even slightly bad" and ... well ... yeah

 :-[ :-\



Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on April 10, 2016, 02:47:13 PM
Baby T was up late yesterday with lots of visits, so he was up 3 times over night, and with other visits today, I couldn't make it out to see the movie again today.

Nertz....next weekend maybe...or if the wife says "GO!" on the $5 night....


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jeff on April 10, 2016, 07:24:50 PM
:)
Thanks for the warning, my man  8)

I don't know, I just hate the theater so much, I mean like

Hate X a lot² to the power of ∞

and one thing I hate more than that is coming out of a theater less than happy. And I just hear not so great things from at least 3 people that share my ... kinda taste and thoughts most of the time. This movie just scares me and I think maybe because, unlike Jimmy (who remained calm about its prospects for most of the time) I really put it up as a "This just looks too good to be even slightly bad" and ... well ... yeah

 :-[ :-\



Oh wow yeah - keep the expectations low and it will exceed them. I actually want to see it again to see if that slow build up is any better now that I know how it ends.


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on April 13, 2016, 09:22:00 PM
We seem to have two threads going. Another one is HERE (http://www.herorealm.com/hrboards/index.php?topic=7267.0)

As for my thoughts ... I will say more later, but let's just say I tend to lean more on Krono's thoughts and feelings (from the link above) than on the praise side. This movie had lots of problems and a sprinkle of good things scattered sparsely throughout.

I have many thoughts but one thing I was kinda bothered by, that is not really something that ruined anything for me ...
was that a Super-Bat-Mobile? I mean I know Bruce and his team can make some strong stuff but come on!!!  ;D How many things did that puppy plow through, over, smash onto, explode and bounce off of again? All without one flat?
 ;)



Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jeff on April 15, 2016, 07:17:35 AM
Any thoughts on the ending?


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on April 15, 2016, 05:47:07 PM
Any thoughts on the ending?

The very, end ending or  ... ?  ;D I mean are we talking about
the dirt on the coffin
or something else that led us up to that or  ... maybe something else?  ;)

I do need to post my thoughts on the thing though. Will do that tomorrow  :)


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on April 15, 2016, 07:42:15 PM
Gonna see it Sunday! That is the day. I nearly fear it!  :o  :D


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on April 16, 2016, 04:03:11 AM
Gonna see it Sunday! That is the day. I nearly fear it!  :o  :D

Yeah man. I think I am more excited (scared?) to hear what your thoughts are about anyone else. You being such a Superman fan and all. Not that this was ... oh, never-mind. I will just shut-up.
 :D

Having said that, and Jimmy, DO NOT READ BELOW THIS !!!!!

Here a couple things, while I wait for Jeff to come back, that really caught my eye.

EDIT - Seriously don't read unless you've seen the movie or don't care about ANY spoilers. I rant all over the place here. Incoherent, but still spoiler filled.
 :D

To me, there is one thing that shows this team just doesn't get Superman and that is the bathtub scene. Look, I'm all for seeing more of Amy Adams and I am certainly no prude and quite enjoy the the female skin when shown to me, but what in the hell was that scene about? You ask me ... it was about taking a childhood hero and trying to being a more adult edge to him by showing his girlfriend as naked as they could. Now yes, that does sound prudish (after I just got through saying I wasn't  ;D) but that small little scene just proves, along with what happened in the last Superman movie, that these guys are missing out on what makes Superman a Super man.

I am not saying Clark can't get his groove on, hell if anyone deserves some action it is the man that starred in Action ... Comics (sorry for that one), but there seems to be a push, whether by corporate mandate or subconscious production, to take Superman and change him. Or at least his core. Heck, even with making him seem more fun by jumping in the tub with Lois, an action I thought was fun and made me smile, they are showing his spontaneity ... but they are also showing that (and yes this is pushing it a tad for some) he doesn't totally care about his actions. Now I don't mean on a grand scale, of course he "cares", but they are also showing a side of him that is somewhat reckless. But when Lois says Clark, you're gonna flood the apartment" (or something like that) and he 'doesn't care', it hit me that this Clark is ... off. That is all I can say.

Wouldn't it have been more "Super" to have Clark say something like "You're right" and then, while still being on Lois, rise in the air, lifting them both out of the tub. Wouldn't that been a cool shot? Not only would we get "fun Clark" but we would get "caring Clark" as well. Not just a Clark that lets his dad die
 >:( >:( >:( >:(
Also, it would've been a cool shot, I think at least

Okay, yes, for most of you (if not all  ;D) that bathtub scene was a stupid concern of mine, I get it. And that didn't ruin the movie for me or anything, but it just shows, again, to me, how they could still do this, make little changes, to make this stuff work. Everyone is complaining about how "dark" the DCmovieU is and I'm just saying you an be dark and still be good if you get the characters. Superman can be in a dark movie, but he should be the LIGHT in the dark.

Now, as for a couple more "issues" I had  ;D

The huge outcry over a couple of deaths "in the Sand" (when Clark saved Lois) I thought was ridiculous. Really? We, the U.S, are doing that now with all the drone attacks (not turning this into a political debate) why would "the people" give a shit about a few people biting it in this case? Hell, a couple years ago he was involved (directly/indirectly) with the death of thousands and they made a statue of him? Why the outcry for this one thing? Made no sense, but maybe I missed something?

Why did Clark rush out to save the girl on the ledge? He has Super hearing and people die like every minute in Metropolis. Why blast out to save her and not anyone else? Because the cameras were there? Okay, that sounded like something Lex would say
 :D

Speaking of Lex ... I thought he was going to be in this movie? I must have misread that because there was no Lex Luthor in this film, only some crazy guy that acted like he came from Gotham.

Also, and maybe I missed this one so please help me ... How did Zod's ship understand Lex and his commands? Did all Kryptonian ships understand English? I honestly don't know this one so again, please help me here.

Speaking of Lex's commands ... Really? What a craptastic scene that was of him cutting himself to make his fighting machine thing and the ship saying "No, no, no. We can't do that" and him saying you will and you will like it bi'atch!!!!

A lot more things bothered me, but I can only remember a few now ...

Why didn't Bruce tell Clark where his mom was? Just so Bruce could have some fight time? Supers could have flown there, beat the guys, saved Martha and still got back in time to do ... whatever he was doing during that time (See? I forgot)
 :D
I do remember it made me scratch my head at the time however  :P

The stupid as hell pigeonholing of the other DCU characters? Oh my god that was bad. Especially Aquaman. The dude just stared at the camera for for waaaaay too long. It should have been just enough for us to see him and then "BAM", Aqua-Trident to the lens, but that damn long ass look made it way to weird. And he was in a hole? Peeping out of a cave hole? HAHAHAHA. And why did the Greatest Detective never hear about this underwater guy? The Flash one was .. eh, okay (more on him later), but I will say I did like what they did with Cyborg. That scene was pretty well done, though just a tad too ... hokey, but pretty good still.

Man, I know I have so much more but can't think of them right now. I guess I could talk about a few of the things that I did enjoy. Yes, this movie was not very good, but it did have some good ... well ... at least cool moments. It was ... Oh, one more bad thing ...

The way Bruce, enraged to the point of fury, goes to spike Supes but the name "Martha" suddenly stops his actions (which I get for a second or two) but then just ... oh, I will not kill you now? Really?

Oh yeah ... I also hated, with the passion of Bruce Wayne towards Superman  ;), the U'S going all "Screw it, lets nuke 'em". Really? Come on guys, WRITE BETTER!!!!!!!

And stop with the nukes hurting Superman. It is stupid. I don't care what book it is in. Makes no sense at all. Much like me most of the time.  :D

Okay, enough of the gloomy shit for now, here are just a couple of the things I did actually like ... or at least enjoyed a little  :D

The Flash head talking to Bruce. Nice addition and great way to lay out the future movies (better than the awkward character intros seen here ... sorry ... okay, just good stuff ....) Yeah, that was cool. I guess, with his head gear, maybe Cyborg is helping the Flash do this?

Best quote of the movie for me? Martha Kent's reply to Batman
"I'm a friend of your son"
"I figured ... the cape ..."
 :D

I found I actually liked Doomsday (or Zod'day) waaay better than I thought I would. He really looked better here than in the trailer. Moved better, loved the size. Yeah, he was a pleasant surprise indeed.

The fight scenes were cool.

Wonder Woman was amazing !!!!

Really thought Affleck did an amazing job as brooding Bat's. Really well done and I look forward to his recently announced Batman movie.

Amy Adams is great as Lois. Plus she is just about as gorgeous as you can be so it really makes us believe that Clark would fall over his tongue to even talk with her.

Also, was that the same fireplace ... that Lex stood beside, that had the picture above it ... that Gene Hackman had in his Superman movie??? It looked very close ... I think. Maybe not.
 :D

Damn it. This movie was so close to being really good. It had the potential. Just needed another re-write or two and a different director. The pieces were there, they just couldn't put this puzzle together.
 :-\

6 outta 10
Just slightly better than an average movie, but only because of the context. If I didn't know comics I could easily see myself giving this a 4. Not any one thing majorly wrong with the movie, but lots and lots of little things.
 :-[


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jeff on April 16, 2016, 08:38:11 AM
Any thoughts on the ending?

The very, end ending or  ... ?  ;D I mean are we talking about
the dirt on the coffin
or something else that led us up to that or  ... maybe something else?  ;)

I do need to post my thoughts on the thing though. Will do that tomorrow  :)

I mean
Supes death in general.


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jeff on April 16, 2016, 09:19:21 AM

EDIT - Seriously don't read unless you've seen the movie or don't care about ANY spoilers. I rant all over the place here. Incoherent, but still spoiler filled.
 :D

To me, there is one thing that shows this team just doesn't get Superman and that is the bathtub scene. Look, I'm all for seeing more of Amy Adams and I am certainly no prude and quite enjoy the the female skin when shown to me, but what in the hell was that scene about? You ask me ... it was about taking a childhood hero and trying to being a more adult edge to him by showing his girlfriend as naked as they could. Now yes, that does sound prudish (after I just got through saying I wasn't  ;D) but that small little scene just proves, along with what happened in the last Superman movie, that these guys are missing out on what makes Superman a Super man.

I am not saying Clark can't get his groove on, hell if anyone deserves some action it is the man that starred in Action ... Comics (sorry for that one), but there seems to be a push, whether by corporate mandate or subconscious production, to take Superman and change him. Or at least his core. Heck, even with making him seem more fun by jumping in the tub with Lois, an action I thought was fun and made me smile, they are showing his spontaneity ... but they are also showing that (and yes this is pushing it a tad for some) he doesn't totally care about his actions. Now I don't mean on a grand scale, of course he "cares", but they are also showing a side of him that is somewhat reckless. But when Lois says Clark, you're gonna flood the apartment" (or something like that) and he 'doesn't care', it hit me that this Clark is ... off. That is all I can say.

Wouldn't it have been more "Super" to have Clark say something like "You're right" and then, while still being on Lois, rise in the air, lifting them both out of the tub. Wouldn't that been a cool shot? Not only would we get "fun Clark" but we would get "caring Clark" as well. Not just a Clark that lets his dad die
 >:( >:( >:( >:(
Also, it would've been a cool shot, I think at least

Okay, yes, for most of you (if not all  ;D) that bathtub scene was a stupid concern of mine, I get it. And that didn't ruin the movie for me or anything, but it just shows, again, to me, how they could still do this, make little changes, to make this stuff work. Everyone is complaining about how "dark" the DCmovieU is and I'm just saying you an be dark and still be good if you get the characters. Superman can be in a dark movie, but he should be the LIGHT in the dark.

Now, as for a couple more "issues" I had  ;D

The huge outcry over a couple of deaths "in the Sand" (when Clark saved Lois) I thought was ridiculous. Really? We, the U.S, are doing that now with all the drone attacks (not turning this into a political debate) why would "the people" give a shit about a few people biting it in this case? Hell, a couple years ago he was involved (directly/indirectly) with the death of thousands and they made a statue of him? Why the outcry for this one thing? Made no sense, but maybe I missed something?

Why did Clark rush out to save the girl on the ledge? He has Super hearing and people die like every minute in Metropolis. Why blast out to save her and not anyone else? Because the cameras were there? Okay, that sounded like something Lex would say
 :D

Speaking of Lex ... I thought he was going to be in this movie? I must have misread that because there was no Lex Luthor in this film, only some crazy guy that acted like he came from Gotham.

Also, and maybe I missed this one so please help me ... How did Zod's ship understand Lex and his commands? Did all Kryptonian ships understand English? I honestly don't know this one so again, please help me here.

Speaking of Lex's commands ... Really? What a craptastic scene that was of him cutting himself to make his fighting machine thing and the ship saying "No, no, no. We can't do that" and him saying you will and you will like it bi'atch!!!!

A lot more things bothered me, but I can only remember a few now ...

Why didn't Bruce tell Clark where his mom was? Just so Bruce could have some fight time? Supers could have flown there, beat the guys, saved Martha and still got back in time to do ... whatever he was doing during that time (See? I forgot)
 :D
I do remember it made me scratch my head at the time however  :P

The stupid as hell pigeonholing of the other DCU characters? Oh my god that was bad. Especially Aquaman. The dude just stared at the camera for for waaaaay too long. It should have been just enough for us to see him and then "BAM", Aqua-Trident to the lens, but that damn long ass look made it way to weird. And he was in a hole? Peeping out of a cave hole? HAHAHAHA. And why did the Greatest Detective never hear about this underwater guy? The Flash one was .. eh, okay (more on him later), but I will say I did like what they did with Cyborg. That scene was pretty well done, though just a tad too ... hokey, but pretty good still.

Man, I know I have so much more but can't think of them right now. I guess I could talk about a few of the things that I did enjoy. Yes, this movie was not very good, but it did have some good ... well ... at least cool moments. It was ... Oh, one more bad thing ...

The way Bruce, enraged to the point of fury, goes to spike Supes but the name "Martha" suddenly stops his actions (which I get for a second or two) but then just ... oh, I will not kill you now? Really?

Oh yeah ... I also hated, with the passion of Bruce Wayne towards Superman  ;), the U'S going all "Screw it, lets nuke 'em". Really? Come on guys, WRITE BETTER!!!!!!!

And stop with the nukes hurting Superman. It is stupid. I don't care what book it is in. Makes no sense at all. Much like me most of the time.  :D

Okay, enough of the gloomy shit for now, here are just a couple of the things I did actually like ... or at least enjoyed a little  :D

The Flash head talking to Bruce. Nice addition and great way to lay out the future movies (better than the awkward character intros seen here ... sorry ... okay, just good stuff ....) Yeah, that was cool. I guess, with his head gear, maybe Cyborg is helping the Flash do this?

Best quote of the movie for me? Martha Kent's reply to Batman
"I'm a friend of your son"
"I figured ... the cape ..."
 :D

I found I actually liked Doomsday (or Zod'day) waaay better than I thought I would. He really looked better here than in the trailer. Moved better, loved the size. Yeah, he was a pleasant surprise indeed.

The fight scenes were cool.

Wonder Woman was amazing !!!!

Really thought Affleck did an amazing job as brooding Bat's. Really well done and I look forward to his recently announced Batman movie.

Amy Adams is great as Lois. Plus she is just about as gorgeous as you can be so it really makes us believe that Clark would fall over his tongue to even talk with her.

Also, was that the same fireplace ... that Lex stood beside, that had the picture above it ... that Gene Hackman had in his Superman movie??? It looked very close ... I think. Maybe not.
 :D

Damn it. This movie was so close to being really good. It had the potential. Just needed another re-write or two and a different director. The pieces were there, they just couldn't put this puzzle together.
 :-\

6 outta 10
Just slightly better than an average movie, but only because of the context. If I didn't know comics I could easily see myself giving this a 4. Not any one thing majorly wrong with the movie, but lots and lots of little things.
 :-[

That's a pretty good summary on the things right and wrong with this movie.

Here are some thoughts on some of the things you highlighted...

1.  The Villain.  I had to mentally say this is not Lex Luthor.  It's some other villain using his name.  Once I did that, I liked the villain a lot better.  I thought he was a pretty good villain but they should have given him a different name.  It's just NOT Lex Luthor.  Too bad as well.  His performance as a crazy high tech rich guru was excellent but it will be lost because they tried to say it's Lex.  I also think its funny that most media outlets, that aren't comic experts, think this is Lex Luthor's son.

2.  Bathtub scene.  I'm watching this movie with my 9 year old daughter.  I'm no prude but this made me mad because it distracted from the movie. Instead of paying attention to the scene, I'm too busy covering her eyes because I don't know where this is going to wind up.  I want her to know the boy scout Superman like he is supposed to be.

3.  Lex in the Zod spaceship.  Sounds like I DID pick the right time to go to the bathroom.  Missed all that.   ;D

4.  Ben Affleck.  Dammit.  I so wanted to say "I told you so".  But he actually pulled this off.  Although I enjoyed his scenes as Bruce more than Bats - which also surprised me.

5.  Justice League computer scenes.  The Cyborg scene was cool and clearly leading us to Darkseid.  The others I could have done with out.  Too gratuitous and really had no meaning or necessity IMO.  But I did like the pic of Wonder Woman from, oh what was it, 1916?

6. The public outcry.  Made absolutely no sense.  If something doesn't directly affect them, most of the true public doesn't get all wound up.  In fact, they would probably be glad to know someone that powerful is on "our side".  Your right, you don't have to pick a political side to see how this was dumb.  It's bi-partisan!

7.  Martha.  I actually really like this twist and it was this moment that started turning me around to liking the movie.  I can't believe after all of these decades, it has never occurred to me that their Mom's have the same name.  Sure, it's a little hokey but I expect hokey in my Superman movies.    ;D

8.  Batman anger.  This never really made sense for me.  I had to really suspend disbelief to get on board but I don't think they pulled this off.  The anger seemed forced just so they would fight.  This is clearly a writing issue and makes me wonder how bad the original script was before Affleck had his guy come in a re-write it.

9.  Wonder Woman.  One of the best parts of this movie.  Gadot does the Amazon justice (see how I did that?) and I'm looking forward to seeing more of her in the future.

10.  Death of Superman.  I did not expect them to end with killing off Superman.  That part was really well done and when Hannah's (my daughter) mouth sprang wide open and stuck like that, I knew they had a winner.  Of course, we veterns know what the dirt means and never for a second believe he is going to be dead forever, but it was fun to see.  I even liked Doomsday and I [HATE LOATHE DETEST WISH HE NEVER EXISTED] am not a fan of Doomsday.

What I think hurts the most is that, man - the potential is there.  There are so many things to like and kudo's to the actors for really stepping it up considering what they were given.

But like I said before, the ending was great.  It was a long slow ride to get to that final battle but that battle was (as my daughter, Hannah, said to me) "epic".

Anything that brings me and the tax deduction closer get's an extra point from me.   :)

6 out of 10 Bat Brands from me as well.  Not a bad movie but not (sorry Hannah) epic either.


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on April 16, 2016, 03:50:46 PM
I mean
Supes death in general.

Okay well ...
It was not overly unexpected, really, being as the had Doomsday. Plus with DC's love of dark storytelling it fit right in. Still I guess was somewhat wide-eyed when they did it.
 :D
I was really surprised they kept him in the coffin at the end, I mean sure we got dirt wiggle, but I guess they want the resurrection of Supes to be part of the JLA movie? If so, man, that is gonna be jumbled all to hell.
I think they have too much going on even for two JLA movies right now. The (further) introduction of the League members, Supe's return, Crisis (?), plus a villain or five? I don't know ... I just don't know.

All that said, I was more shocked at Batman's intellectual death. I mean, you just go after Supes like that for that reason? Just felt more "off the cuff" than a well thought out idea. It's not like Supes had much option in the destruction of the city. I mean he did, but ... he also didn't. I like angry Bats, but seemed he let his anger get the best of him here.
 :-\



Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on April 16, 2016, 03:54:30 PM

EDIT - Seriously don't read unless you've seen the movie or don't care about ANY spoilers. I rant all over the place here. Incoherent, but still spoiler filled.
 :D

To me, there is one thing that shows this team just doesn't get Superman and that is the bathtub scene. Look, I'm all for seeing more of Amy Adams and I am certainly no prude and quite enjoy the the female skin when shown to me, but what in the hell was that scene about? You ask me ... it was about taking a childhood hero and trying to being a more adult edge to him by showing his girlfriend as naked as they could. Now yes, that does sound prudish (after I just got through saying I wasn't  ;D) but that small little scene just proves, along with what happened in the last Superman movie, that these guys are missing out on what makes Superman a Super man.

I am not saying Clark can't get his groove on, hell if anyone deserves some action it is the man that starred in Action ... Comics (sorry for that one), but there seems to be a push, whether by corporate mandate or subconscious production, to take Superman and change him. Or at least his core. Heck, even with making him seem more fun by jumping in the tub with Lois, an action I thought was fun and made me smile, they are showing his spontaneity ... but they are also showing that (and yes this is pushing it a tad for some) he doesn't totally care about his actions. Now I don't mean on a grand scale, of course he "cares", but they are also showing a side of him that is somewhat reckless. But when Lois says Clark, you're gonna flood the apartment" (or something like that) and he 'doesn't care', it hit me that this Clark is ... off. That is all I can say.

Wouldn't it have been more "Super" to have Clark say something like "You're right" and then, while still being on Lois, rise in the air, lifting them both out of the tub. Wouldn't that been a cool shot? Not only would we get "fun Clark" but we would get "caring Clark" as well. Not just a Clark that lets his dad die
 >:( >:( >:( >:(
Also, it would've been a cool shot, I think at least

Okay, yes, for most of you (if not all  ;D) that bathtub scene was a stupid concern of mine, I get it. And that didn't ruin the movie for me or anything, but it just shows, again, to me, how they could still do this, make little changes, to make this stuff work. Everyone is complaining about how "dark" the DCmovieU is and I'm just saying you an be dark and still be good if you get the characters. Superman can be in a dark movie, but he should be the LIGHT in the dark.

Now, as for a couple more "issues" I had  ;D

The huge outcry over a couple of deaths "in the Sand" (when Clark saved Lois) I thought was ridiculous. Really? We, the U.S, are doing that now with all the drone attacks (not turning this into a political debate) why would "the people" give a shit about a few people biting it in this case? Hell, a couple years ago he was involved (directly/indirectly) with the death of thousands and they made a statue of him? Why the outcry for this one thing? Made no sense, but maybe I missed something?

Why did Clark rush out to save the girl on the ledge? He has Super hearing and people die like every minute in Metropolis. Why blast out to save her and not anyone else? Because the cameras were there? Okay, that sounded like something Lex would say
 :D

Speaking of Lex ... I thought he was going to be in this movie? I must have misread that because there was no Lex Luthor in this film, only some crazy guy that acted like he came from Gotham.

Also, and maybe I missed this one so please help me ... How did Zod's ship understand Lex and his commands? Did all Kryptonian ships understand English? I honestly don't know this one so again, please help me here.

Speaking of Lex's commands ... Really? What a craptastic scene that was of him cutting himself to make his fighting machine thing and the ship saying "No, no, no. We can't do that" and him saying you will and you will like it bi'atch!!!!

A lot more things bothered me, but I can only remember a few now ...

Why didn't Bruce tell Clark where his mom was? Just so Bruce could have some fight time? Supers could have flown there, beat the guys, saved Martha and still got back in time to do ... whatever he was doing during that time (See? I forgot)
 :D
I do remember it made me scratch my head at the time however  :P

The stupid as hell pigeonholing of the other DCU characters? Oh my god that was bad. Especially Aquaman. The dude just stared at the camera for for waaaaay too long. It should have been just enough for us to see him and then "BAM", Aqua-Trident to the lens, but that damn long ass look made it way to weird. And he was in a hole? Peeping out of a cave hole? HAHAHAHA. And why did the Greatest Detective never hear about this underwater guy? The Flash one was .. eh, okay (more on him later), but I will say I did like what they did with Cyborg. That scene was pretty well done, though just a tad too ... hokey, but pretty good still.

Man, I know I have so much more but can't think of them right now. I guess I could talk about a few of the things that I did enjoy. Yes, this movie was not very good, but it did have some good ... well ... at least cool moments. It was ... Oh, one more bad thing ...

The way Bruce, enraged to the point of fury, goes to spike Supes but the name "Martha" suddenly stops his actions (which I get for a second or two) but then just ... oh, I will not kill you now? Really?

Oh yeah ... I also hated, with the passion of Bruce Wayne towards Superman  ;), the U'S going all "Screw it, lets nuke 'em". Really? Come on guys, WRITE BETTER!!!!!!!

And stop with the nukes hurting Superman. It is stupid. I don't care what book it is in. Makes no sense at all. Much like me most of the time.  :D

Okay, enough of the gloomy shit for now, here are just a couple of the things I did actually like ... or at least enjoyed a little  :D

The Flash head talking to Bruce. Nice addition and great way to lay out the future movies (better than the awkward character intros seen here ... sorry ... okay, just good stuff ....) Yeah, that was cool. I guess, with his head gear, maybe Cyborg is helping the Flash do this?

Best quote of the movie for me? Martha Kent's reply to Batman
"I'm a friend of your son"
"I figured ... the cape ..."
 :D

I found I actually liked Doomsday (or Zod'day) waaay better than I thought I would. He really looked better here than in the trailer. Moved better, loved the size. Yeah, he was a pleasant surprise indeed.

The fight scenes were cool.

Wonder Woman was amazing !!!!

Really thought Affleck did an amazing job as brooding Bat's. Really well done and I look forward to his recently announced Batman movie.

Amy Adams is great as Lois. Plus she is just about as gorgeous as you can be so it really makes us believe that Clark would fall over his tongue to even talk with her.

Also, was that the same fireplace ... that Lex stood beside, that had the picture above it ... that Gene Hackman had in his Superman movie??? It looked very close ... I think. Maybe not.
 :D

Damn it. This movie was so close to being really good. It had the potential. Just needed another re-write or two and a different director. The pieces were there, they just couldn't put this puzzle together.
 :-\

6 outta 10
Just slightly better than an average movie, but only because of the context. If I didn't know comics I could easily see myself giving this a 4. Not any one thing majorly wrong with the movie, but lots and lots of little things.
 :-[

That's a pretty good summary on the things right and wrong with this movie.

Here are some thoughts on some of the things you highlighted...

1.  The Villain.  I had to mentally say this is not Lex Luthor.  It's some other villain using his name.  Once I did that, I liked the villain a lot better.  I thought he was a pretty good villain but they should have given him a different name.  It's just NOT Lex Luthor.  Too bad as well.  His performance as a crazy high tech rich guru was excellent but it will be lost because they tried to say it's Lex.  I also think its funny that most media outlets, that aren't comic experts, think this is Lex Luthor's son.

2.  Bathtub scene.  I'm watching this movie with my 9 year old daughter.  I'm no prude but this made me mad because it distracted from the movie. Instead of paying attention to the scene, I'm too busy covering her eyes because I don't know where this is going to wind up.  I want her to know the boy scout Superman like he is supposed to be.

3.  Lex in the Zod spaceship.  Sounds like I DID pick the right time to go to the bathroom.  Missed all that.   ;D

4.  Ben Affleck.  Dammit.  I so wanted to say "I told you so".  But he actually pulled this off.  Although I enjoyed his scenes as Bruce more than Bats - which also surprised me.

5.  Justice League computer scenes.  The Cyborg scene was cool and clearly leading us to Darkseid.  The others I could have done with out.  Too gratuitous and really had no meaning or necessity IMO.  But I did like the pic of Wonder Woman from, oh what was it, 1916?

6. The public outcry.  Made absolutely no sense.  If something doesn't directly affect them, most of the true public doesn't get all wound up.  In fact, they would probably be glad to know someone that powerful is on "our side".  Your right, you don't have to pick a political side to see how this was dumb.  It's bi-partisan!

7.  Martha.  I actually really like this twist and it was this moment that started turning me around to liking the movie.  I can't believe after all of these decades, it has never occurred to me that their Mom's have the same name.  Sure, it's a little hokey but I expect hokey in my Superman movies.    ;D

8.  Batman anger.  This never really made sense for me.  I had to really suspend disbelief to get on board but I don't think they pulled this off.  The anger seemed forced just so they would fight.  This is clearly a writing issue and makes me wonder how bad the original script was before Affleck had his guy come in a re-write it.

9.  Wonder Woman.  One of the best parts of this movie.  Gadot does the Amazon justice (see how I did that?) and I'm looking forward to seeing more of her in the future.

10.  Death of Superman.  I did not expect them to end with killing off Superman.  That part was really well done and when Hannah's (my daughter) mouth sprang wide open and stuck like that, I knew they had a winner.  Of course, we veterns know what the dirt means and never for a second believe he is going to be dead forever, but it was fun to see.  I even liked Doomsday and I [HATE LOATHE DETEST WISH HE NEVER EXISTED] am not a fan of Doomsday.

What I think hurts the most is that, man - the potential is there.  There are so many things to like and kudo's to the actors for really stepping it up considering what they were given.

But like I said before, the ending was great.  It was a long slow ride to get to that final battle but that battle was (as my daughter, Hannah, said to me) "epic".

Anything that brings me and the tax deduction closer get's an extra point from me.   :)

6 out of 10 Bat Brands from me as well.  Not a bad movie but not (sorry Hannah) epic either.

Darn it.
Didn't see this post until I posted my first response to you, as this is the first post on another page  :D And now I have to go eat ...
Okay, I will get back to this one too ... a little later.
 :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on April 18, 2016, 02:54:51 PM
I have seen this. I will finish my master's thesis of a review later.  8)


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on April 19, 2016, 07:14:49 AM
That's a pretty good summary on the things right and wrong with this movie.

Here are some thoughts on some of the things you highlighted...

1.  The Villain.  I had to mentally say this is not Lex Luthor.  It's some other villain using his name.  Once I did that, I liked the villain a lot better.  I thought he was a pretty good villain but they should have given him a different name.  It's just NOT Lex Luthor.  Too bad as well.  His performance as a crazy high tech rich guru was excellent but it will be lost because they tried to say it's Lex.  I also think its funny that most media outlets, that aren't comic experts, think this is Lex Luthor's son.

He did a great job at
being a creepy little shit, but I never think I got a "creepy" vibe of Lex when I read him. The acting was well done, but yeah, we can (and most everyone will) agree that this portrayal was not Lex. He came off as more a combination Mad Hater/Toyman/Riddler than Lex. That falls on the director.

2.  Bathtub scene.  I'm watching this movie with my 9 year old daughter.  I'm no prude but this made me mad because it distracted from the movie. Instead of paying attention to the scene, I'm too busy covering her eyes because I don't know where this is going to wind up.  I want her to know the boy scout Superman like he is supposed to be.

Right? I was too busy seeing how far they would go with that camera. Haha

3.  Lex in the Zod spaceship.  Sounds like I DID pick the right time to go to the bathroom.  Missed all that.   ;D

Ha

4.  Ben Affleck.  Dammit.  I so wanted to say "I told you so".  But he actually pulled this off.  Although I enjoyed his scenes as Bruce more than Bats - which also surprised me.

Yeah....
I was really impressed with him. He only had to show one emotion, anger  :D, but he did it well

5.  Justice League computer scenes.  The Cyborg scene was cool and clearly leading us to Darkseid.  The others I could have done with out.  Too gratuitous and really had no meaning or necessity IMO.  But I did like the pic of Wonder Woman from, oh what was it, 1916?

Around that time ....
Certainly WWI era from the looks of it. Wonder if she helped during WWII as well?

6. The public outcry.  Made absolutely no sense.  If something doesn't directly affect them, most of the true public doesn't get all wound up.  In fact, they would probably be glad to know someone that powerful is on "our side".  Your right, you don't have to pick a political side to see how this was dumb.  It's bi-partisan!

Crazy it is. Crazy

7.  Martha.  I actually really like this twist and it was this moment that started turning me around to liking the movie.  I can't believe after all of these decades, it has never occurred to me that their Mom's have the same name.  Sure, it's a little hokey but I expect hokey in my Superman movies.    ;D

Shamefully I have to admit to the same lack of connection. Never even thought about the similarity.  :D :D

8.  Batman anger.  This never really made sense for me.  I had to really suspend disbelief to get on board but I don't think they pulled this off.  The anger seemed forced just so they would fight.  This is clearly a writing issue and makes me wonder how bad the original script was before Affleck had his guy come in a re-write it.

Yeah, I could see being concerned and cautious and of course mad at the events. But that fury, that intensity of anger ... for that situation ... ??  

9.  Wonder Woman.  One of the best parts of this movie.  Gadot does the Amazon justice (see how I did that?) and I'm looking forward to seeing more of her in the future.

Amen brotha

10.  Death of Superman.  I did not expect them to end with killing off Superman.  That part was really well done and when Hannah's (my daughter) mouth sprang wide open and stuck like that, I knew they had a winner.  Of course, we veterns know what the dirt means and never for a second believe he is going to be dead forever, but it was fun to see.  I even liked Doomsday and I [HATE LOATHE DETEST WISH HE NEVER EXISTED] am not a fan of Doomsday.

Me neither!!!! but yes, they did pretty good with him. At least better than I had thought they would. Waaaaay better  :)

What I think hurts the most is that, man - the potential is there.  There are so many things to like and kudo's to the actors for really stepping it up considering what they were given.

Oh I agree with that. I think that is what makes me so mad. the "What could have been" factor

]But like I said before, the ending was great.  It was a long slow ride to get to that final battle but that battle was (as my daughter, Hannah, said to me) "epic".

So cool she enjoyed it!!!  No matter what we may think, if it gets her enjoying more and more of the 'ole comic stuff ... I'm all for it!!!
8) 8)

I have seen this. I will finish my master's thesis of a review later.  8)

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll211/manma90/Yahoo%20Messenger/110.gif)

 ;) ;D


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on April 21, 2016, 05:57:56 PM
For my review....

Superman wasn’t Superman. Superman NEVER speaks for himself. Go back and look and see what he says-he SAYS NOTHING.  Reeve’s says “Truth, Justice, and the American way.” Corny, but it held. Captain America got to be that way, and we praise that character in those movies. Why can’t they do that with Supes? Instead, he seems to channel this millennial ascribed aspect of being lost and confused, without any sense of what they should be doing. At no point does Superman make a significant point with dialogue. When he suddenly confronts Batman, he threatens with lame bluster with “the bat is dead. Stay gone!” -based off what, exactly is this referring to? Or when they meet to fight, Supes wishes to get Batman to help him...and then throws him 50 feet? What the hell. What slipshod, terrible, confusing characterization.

Batman was great-got the fight I always wanted.Him against all those thugs is EXACTLY how I’ve always wanted to see him move and fight. So cool!! Affleck did just fine, really great even, and I had all the confidence he would. And I really dig the more comic book costume of this movie over all 3 Nolan movies. I WANT to see a comic book suit! Make it translate!!

Wonder Woman was AMAZING. The more of her to see the better! Glad to see she was an amazing spot in the movie.

Snyder lifts/steals some amazing visuals of comics’ past…but without the nuance or meaning to make it actually stand on its own. (Coming out of the wall with the huge machine gun, EVERYTHING about the fight between Bat & Supes). In trying to make this movie signficant, he directly lifted from great moments of significance...but putting pretty visuals next to each other for an entire movie doesn’t make an amazing movie either.

I’m honestly fine with Lex. It’s a movie version of a character; that didn’t quite bother me. So he’s got a bit more of  screw loose-but up on the helipad, that was Lex. Down in the laboratory, that was Lex. This interpretation didn’t bother me as it did others. Which is weird, cuz Jesse Eisenberg just played him weird. But I kinda liked it. Go figure (for peoples’ tastes; mine included!)

Movie lives in allegory. We get it; Jesus motifs. A savior. Get over it. Many writers have used this to far greater affect WITHOUT hammering it blatantly into our faces or outright saying. Subtlety, sir. Try it some time. Actually, just try to tell a story.

Not so much as story, as it was cliff notes. We were always told, but never shown how things really develop. Why would the world approve of him? Or hate him? Why does public scrutiny turn so fast? If his attack to save Lois lead to more deaths (which I think it did, but the movie did a really poor job of that), WHY would this U.S. care? A foreign country in a pretend Middle East involving news-footage “typical” bad guy Arabs/Muslims? Show me an American citizen actually concerned about that now.

4 fucking dream sequences? Oh shut up about it already.

The transition of Bat v Supes of enemies to fighting allies was clumsy and heavy handed. Oh, I l thought Affleck did a great job of confused rage “HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT NAME?!!” But the about face of it was too quick. Perhaps if the dying Superman actually begged, like, really begged for the life of another, I would have bought it. Instead, it looks like a 12 year playing at theater when he just yells ‘save Martha!’ and then that’s about it.

Kryptonian ship speaks in English? Right away? It’s A.I. is quite impressive-and also quite stupid to simply be spun around by Lex’s argument of “where’s that Kryptonian council now?”

The impact of Supes death was…uneventful. It happened. Unlike in the comics, where Supes has been shown to be the world’s hero, loved by all-I don’t know what this cinema world feels. Whereas the world watched on to see Supes battle to the death in the comics, against an unstoppable monster that even SUPERMAN seemed unable to truly defeat over a months time of publishing, the movie’s scene was a quick fight at the harbor. A lot of disaster porn destruction (with movie news reporter continually saying that “the business park is empty this time of night” and “stryker’s island is completely abandoned” so they can avoid the stigma of making Supes an inadvertent killer again). But the movie death was not witnessed by a world, to have lived the horror of what it might mean if Doomsday kept going. The fight was 30 minutes-and mostly alone. If anything it should make everyone terrified once again of Kryptonians and aliens coming to kill them! And what was with the continual super EMP lightning blast from Doomsday when he adapted to pain? LAME. So, the about turn and honoring him when he was dead was not executed in a believable way.

A mashed together movie of lots of good ideas, stolen ideas, and bad ideas fed through a meat grinder into a series of bland sausage links. SHOULD have been better. COULD have been better. 2 movies involving the new Superman where his symbol is continually stressed to mean ‘hope’ fails to ever deliver that feeling to an audience even once. I honestly have no hope for the future Justice League movie. The other DC movies coming out (Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman) I do wish to see as it does not have Zach Snyder at the helm. Is there a chance other movies that don’t have his fingerprints can be very good? Sure, without a doubt. We got to see a long look at Wonder Woman, and quick shots of Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman. So, maybe they’ll be something. Or, if things continue to be poor at the box office (well, maybe not poor, but not Avengers numbers!!), then perhaps Warner Bros. will quickly again scrap these plans and wait a bit before rebooting everything again.

Just disappointed. It’s not the movie I wanted. To rip from the Dark Knight., I’ll flip the line to say that this is not the hero we deserve, but it’s the one we got. There is no sunshine, no mirth, no good times in a DC cinematic universe. They have it confused , the movie side of things, to say that the DC movies are more “real world” or better drama than the Marvel movies. Being grounded, or more “real” and serious with the drama doesn’t mean that it has to be joyless, mirthless and depressing. Nothing about this movie makes me say “let’s take a kid to see this!”

Because it’s plain to me that they don’t know Superman. This is not my hero. This is not the best hero. This is not our greatest hero.

****

And I feel like doing this prediction: There will be time travel to help prevent Superman from dying. Oh, he’s going to rise from the death (because, you know-JESUS that he is will be stressed in the movies.) But, Clark Kent will still be dead. The League will gather. And something will happen to cause the League to assemble earlier in time-at the time of Doomsday fighting the Trinity! Then, they all can kill Doomsday, and Superman/Clark never has to die! My prediction.




I've been so tired, that writing this seems really disjointed or badly done.


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on April 22, 2016, 09:48:52 AM
Everyone and I mean everyone that has seen Bat vs Supes needs to take 40 minutes out of their day and listen (or DL it and listen as you go) to THIS (http://www.esn.fm/giantsize/46) podcast discussion from two ... Superman fans(?). One of which knows movie structure very well (And thought Man of Steel wasn't bad, though he understands those that differ in opinion). And what about Snyder's next film he wants to make? How does that potentially tie-in?

Things like  (movie spoiler) ....
if you want to make Supes Death mean something, you don't almost kill him before you kill him  :D

Serious, listen. Good stuff. I hope DC listens.


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on April 23, 2016, 08:01:51 AM
Everyone and I mean everyone that has seen Bat vs Supes needs to take 40 minutes out of their day and listen (or DL it and listen as you go) to THIS (http://www.esn.fm/giantsize/46) podcast discussion from two ... Superman fans(?). One of which knows movie structure very well (And thought Man of Steel wasn't bad, though he understands those that differ in opinion). And what about Snyder's next film he wants to make? How does that potentially tie-in?

Things like  (movie spoiler) ....
if you want to make Supes Death mean something, you don't almost kill him before you kill him  :D

Serious, listen. Good stuff. I hope DC listens.

Seriously, it was like listening to my interior thoughts given word. I listened to this up with the baby last night, so I had time to finish it.

But yeah; it was like I was in that room with the podcasters whispering in their ears. There's more, so much more I could have written up than I did, but yeah, I agree.

Also, this podcast influenced me to NOT see the movie again on Sunday. Snyder has always just been a visual -BOOM- director with nothing but fluff around it. That barely makes sense. This man needs to not be in charge of any of this going forward.

But I won't be seeing it again in theaters. Having my disappointments laid open further by other's speaking with a voice that should be my own has made that clear. This movie is far poorer than I gave it at first glance. Because I want it to be better.

But, like I've said elsewheres, I kept rewatching Superman The Movie as SyFy replayed it over a week. And I loved it. Sure, some of that is the nostalgic angle of being a child who loves Superman. Some of that is from reading Reeve's autobiography 'Still Me' and knowing how he approached the character. That strength is shown through gentleness. That power is shown through politenss. And I know all the beats of that movie, and why they are there, and how its all about showing the greatness of Superman that reaches to everyone on the planet.

Snyder's work can just go in the garbage.

#SUPERfrustrated

 :-[


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on April 23, 2016, 09:07:45 AM
Also, delving into reading that Zach Snyder is looking to adapt 'The Fountainhead' by Ayn Rand, and he himself seems to be a believer of such things only increases my ire and disgust that much further.


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on April 25, 2016, 11:10:29 AM
I have stayed away because I was going to talk further about this movie, but I have had just no desire to do so. Perhaps later. I think you have summed it up pretty well anyway.
 ;)

Also, delving into reading that Zach Snyder is looking to adapt 'The Fountainhead' by Ayn Rand, and he himself seems to be a believer of such things only increases my ire and disgust that much further.

AMEN !!!
How we are so different yet so much the same?
 :D


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on April 25, 2016, 04:48:54 PM

Also, delving into reading that Zach Snyder is looking to adapt 'The Fountainhead' by Ayn Rand, and he himself seems to be a believer of such things only increases my ire and disgust that much further.

AMEN !!!
How we are so different yet so much the same?
 :D

We just come to the correct destination/conclusion from 2 different avenues?  8) :D


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on April 26, 2016, 06:35:54 AM
That must be it!!  :) ;D


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on April 30, 2016, 04:50:54 AM
And, hopefully, finally, the great and very funny "Mr. Sunday Movies" takes on some of the deleted scenes that may/will be in the 3 hour extended release when this puppy hits home release. Click HERE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UBipoQPryk&list=PLqt3wbDmZi8T77VQfjNzcunVi_hkNcpAv&src_vid=T5QCBZJcRwg&annotation_id=annotation_3571008491&feature=iv) if you don't mind seeing a couple spoilers (or possible spoilers). But especially take a peek at the 3:33 mark. I wish that would have been in the movie for if no other reason fir what is speculated in the clip.
 :-\


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on April 30, 2016, 07:25:42 AM
That would mean having to watch it again =-and in a longer form!

I'm too glum on this movie to even consider that at this juncture. :(

At least the 3:33 mark did AND would have helped to explain crazy Lex at the end though.


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on April 30, 2016, 06:07:17 PM
At least the 3:33 mark did AND would have helped to explain crazy Lex at the end though.

I know, right? 100% agree. That would have helped so much


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jeff on July 08, 2016, 09:15:38 PM
I just watched this for the second time.  I have to say on second viewing, I enjoyed it a lot more.  Still not a fan of psycho Lex but over all, it was better than I remembered.  I'm actually looking forward to the Justice League movie.


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Perry on July 09, 2016, 03:32:16 PM
The added footage helped, but this is still a train wreck of a movie with bad motivation for everyone all around and ridiculous actions. 
Superman not going to save his mother while letting a guy he was just fighting, and does not like, go save her? Or why Lex just didn't kidnap the mother from the start? Or...
Yeah, way too many problems. But yes, the added stuff .. or the stuff they cut and then put back in ... certainly helped a lot of the production/editing/flow problems. Especially the stuff overseas that got everyone mad at Supes to begin with. Man, that was really needed in the original cut.

I am still excited for Justice League, but in no way because of this movie  ;) I can enjoy Man of Steel more than this by a good margin, and I hated what they did with Supes at the end of THAT one. But glad it works for you. Someone should enjoy it.
 8)


Title: Re: BATMAN vs SUPERMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on July 23, 2016, 08:16:13 PM
Holy hell, between here and facebook, I really took this movie to the cleaners.

I came back to reread this thread to hold myself in check about getting excited for a Justice League movie. I need to rein it in.  :-[