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the fact that Arrow and Flash will soon be crossing over ...

AND they bring in the woman who has Ollie's kid?! WOW. Firestorm's first appearance! So cool! So fun! I has hoping Rainbow Raider might do some other stuff, but REALLY looking forward to Boomerang now

loved me some Firestorm. The effects when he flew away were very well done. Pretty good episode

the threat that is "Who is that guy in the yellow suit?" and the installment of the "wait a minute" ... the part where they realize that due to the color of lightening, that there were two guys there when Barry's mom was killed. Nice way to bring more "OOOhhhh" to the show.

The voice, the look, the way he beat the living hell out of ... himself? Maybe? Maybe not? Just great. Everything about him that makes him dangerous or at the least foreboding was highlighted very well. Really enjoyed it

and they couldn't think to just make the riot shields full length. Like that Cold gun can't just freeze their damn legs?

Nice to see the guys back in orange prison suits again. That is the guys from Prison Break, right?

Cupid chick

barry allen.  more specifically, the barry allen who disappeared in the "crisis" alluded to in the newspaper headline from the future which he was looking at earlier in the season.  I think he somehow found himself in the past and put things in motion to possibly stop whatever crisis is coming from happeneing.

"the man in yellow" did kill his mom, why would Barry from the future put that costume on? I mean, I guess to invoke the drive in younger Barry to get better, stronger and faster, I suppose. Your idea does make a lot of sense as to why the good doctor is "helping" Barry, but putting on the outfit of your mothers killer is a little ... odd and creepy ... yeah?

the DC comic character Vibe!!!

Wells and Barry even visually look a little like each other. Imagine Barry in 10 years disappears during the Red Skies event (like the paper says), goes back in time 25 years+, is involved with the murder of Mrs. Allen, then lives those 15 years until the particle accelerator accident. That adds another 25 years to his life, and since Barry is 25 years old right now, that puts him near to 50...which is what Wells looks like. Hell, if you analyze some prior eps, Wells cadence of speech is similar to Barry's speech too. That, and Wells is very up on all the  math and speeds for things to occur as the Flash.

1. The older Allen blood marker? That doesn't mean it's current Barry blood; it could be future Barry blood too! The man in yellow may still be a Thawne-Zoom. Imagine future Barry back in the past to stop his mothers murder (hence his disappearance), can't stop the murder, but kills Zoom. Now, perhaps for some reason he loses his speed powers, but Zoom is different and that Zoom collects tachyons for speed (as what that computer keeps saying to Wells, and why he stole that device); hence, why future Barry takes the suit of the murderer and uses it for his own. Perhaps this future Barry wasn't ready to do what he should have done to stop Zoom earlier, so he now figures he'll harden current Barry to be ready to kill Zoom earlier-and then now be able to save his mother's life.

2. I also subscribe to the fact that there will be 2 Zooms. I'm just not sure that Wells is Eobard Thawne. Doesn't seem right for what Thawne would want to do.

3. WHAT if, due to all the future tech with him, Wells is actually from the 30th century, and he happens to be Impulse's evil clone? ;D ha! that'd be a riot!!

If Arrow has taught anything to superhero tv, it's that you hold NOTHING back. You try to make every episode like it's your last.

I...I'm floored. I feel ABSOLUTELY terrible for the true person that was Harrison Welles. He was just...coldly murdered. Him, Tess; that moment. My heart sank. I felt so terrible for the life that they were going to have (because THEY WERE going to have that life; Eobard new about, but couldn't wait around for it.) I mean, I just...I was rocked. I can't even say why, for myself, or for what inside me, was just hit, or resonated SO MUCH with that moment of the true Welles death. Perhaps it's seeing your love dying/dead beside you. The incredulous situation he found himself in with this man speaking nonsense, and not doing a damned thing to help. It just...hurt to feel that situation.

The Flash and Zoom racing and fighting in this ep was damned cool. Well, the breaking of the time barrier, them exploding forth, the arms chugging, the lightning zipping around, too damned cool for me.

And Hamill! Loved him. Each sinister part, each goofy aspect, each cold moment, each scene chewing moment, I loved it all and dug it to death. Can't wait to see him back around again!

Then...letting Eddie in on it? Oh boy, there is going to be some awful moments in that friendship. Eddie actor just nailed that moment of stunned astonishment too.

And 2 more weeks before anything!!!

(Breaking into a prison because all the cops in the city are searching for a bomb was a little too Nolan Batman to me ... Yes, I had a huge issue with that similar premise in that movie)

the way his dad looked at the camera when he said -
"The Flash will win" (or whatever it was ... I forget now, but when he was tied to the chair he said that and looked, glancing, right at the camera.

I liked the phasing, though thought it was really stupid to phase through a gas truck when you are trying to lose a bomb that is strapped to your wrist  ::)

I also felt really bad for the real Harrison Wells, but I am at the same time glad I saw that. I was getting to like Well's a little too much and needed to be reminded that he is a bad guy. Stop thinking he is misunderstood. I saw him kill people including Cisco.  What am I doing starting to like the guy? :D

As far as showing himself to Eddie? Not getting that. It has to be part of an upcoming plot, but there was no reason for him to show himself. Just have her dad tell Eddie to talk to here about it or him and Flash still in costume. I mean, I guess it showed how important it was that she stop, but I question how the reached that being the last option or the best option.

Really did appreciate Mark Hamill using a different laugh than his Joker one. I was really scared they were gonna throw that in as it was the "Trickster"

the Arrow coming over once more to Flash will again not be a tie-in that I have to watch both Flash and Arrow but only the Flash. And I hope they get that new team of Atom, FireStorm, Black Canary and Captain Cold show together here and not Arrow as well, but I don't think that will happen. Will not be THAT lucky  ;D (But mainly I truly hope that the only thing Guggenhiem is involved in with this new show is putting it together and then just walking the fuck away.
 >:(

Why would he tell Eddie and not Iris?  I mean if he would just tell her then she would stop.

The Atom can fly? I mean, like booster pack / jet propulsion fly?

You can tell this is where we are gonna start to see our beloved little tech start to show herself or become - Killer Frost. And by "our beloved little tech" I mean Ms Frost of course, not the super cute Arrow beloved little tech  :D

he has other miniaturized tech that he uses, but so far, no super shrinking for the Atom

It's a bit of a wanker episode though. Final tension of the boss fight and her motivations were weak-like 60's comics villain exposition weak. It truly only served as a vehicle to get the crossover to work together.

and its the crossover that makes the rest of the ep work. Ray works so well with this group. He, and this Atom presentation, are such...good guys. It's hard to see him do well in Starling! That, and his story in Arrow has been a sider note to Ollie's story...but I digress.

It's fun to see that even though the future was changed...that time still occurred? So Cisco is starting to recall remember it? Hmm....as long as it serves internal story logic, sure, why not.

Iris works much better in any scene where she's not opposite Barry. Her relationship issues with Eddie, as seen by the last scene, are done well, seem 'real' and have consequence. The stuff with Barry on the couch is CW melodrama. HA!  8)

I love seeing some Emily Rickards (Felicity Smoak) and I enjoyed seeing our girl 'Beth' from the Walking Dead revived, if only to "bee" a villain (  ;D yeah, I went there .. haha) but not one of the better episodes really. Other than at the very end when I wanted another 15 minutes of this episode!!!!!
 ;D

that the Atom can fly. I asked Jimmy about that and he said they did do that in the comic at some point, so I am glad I can't condemn the makers of the show for going out there, but having Atom have the ability to fly just takes away from his name. Yes, I am aware that atoms can "fly" around (and Electrons themselves do so much more) but to me, he is just a cheap Iron Man knock off now instead of being the great character he could be.

Atom says the bees can't penetrate his uniform or outfit ... costume, yet his face is almost completely open. Bees couldn't have gotten him there?

When Cisco saves Ray, both Ray and Felicity have their backs turned or not paying attention anyway. They then turn around and see Cisco holding his neck. They have no knowledge of what happened to him other than he was stung. Ray then concludes that Cisco saved him (Ray)? Man, is that an ego or what?  ;D How do you know he just didn't get stung because he was there or that he was the target? He literally didn't see a damn thing.

And lastly, again, I have to ask ... Why in the @#&% did Barry unmask to Eddie? Now all it is doing is causing problems with Eddie and Iris with no other benefit to anyone at all. And what guy is going to let his woman, his love, get pissed like that about a situation like this? Not me, I would be all "Barry, you need to tell her or I am. I aint losing my night-time lovin' because you showed me your face for some damn reason that makes no sense"
 :D

And why did the bees attack Barry after they flew out of the guys mouth? They were programmed to attack the one guy not Barry. And if they just attacked him because he was there, why didn't they attack Joe when he arrived to save Barry?   ;)

A bit of a blah episode to me. More about the characters playing off each other, and it's a bit weak at that. I think the best part was the road conversation between West and Lance, as the double entendre and double meanings apropos for each others lives' really was a smart bit of writing.

I always laughed really hard at "here is a list of people who said they were innocent of crimes in the last year" No shit, right? They said they didn't do it? lol

This CW show just happened to break down in trying to be a bit more cop procedural, and it just really showed that the writers don't write a cop procedural.

But next week looks like a smooth bit of ass whupping!!!  8)

This was bad all over the place, from ridiculous law hyperbole (Suddenly at least six people charged with the crimes have an alibi so now they are released? And can't you just check Thawns gun to see if it had fired any shots?) to ridiculous powers (how does a guy that can change into "ANYBODY" suddenly get the power to also arm himself with guns and pepper spray that the original bodies where carrying?) to cops being stupid (you know your "partner" is the Flash, but when a villain escapes, he runs to the front door and you see the bad guy at the back door you don't yell "FLASH, OVER HERE!"?) to at least five or six other problems. Ugh. This was bad.

One Cisco discovering the room and then three, two them going in the room and three Barry seeing the headline " Flash disappears during  "Crisis"  ;D

right after that scene when Joe and the Doc were leaving each other, the camera panned to show that huge plaque ... and it was the Justice League !!!! I got Green Arrow, Wonder Woman, Flash and Aquaman. There are three left, the center guy (Zues) is suppose to be Supes I think, but I can't see an "S", to his left, our right I guess is Batman (is that a bat on his head? What is in his hands? The batbelt? and the lower left, with the fire at the bottom, is that Martian Manhunter or Cyborg? It looks like he is holding a hammer and there is fire, so maybe he is suppose to Hephaestus and thus metal/Cyborg?

Of course maybe I was just seeing things in the Greek Gods pictured and all it was what an image of the Gods of Olympus?

like it when Arrow is on the Flash. It doesn't ruin it or anything, it just seems forced. And what the heck is the deal with Firestorm. Does he just "flame On" and fly around?

Didn't much care for the "prisoner movement" thing either. Come on, Barry. Arrow couldn't help you with that but then what, 5 hours later he was ...whatever ... ugh

Ah...the vehicle of contrivance. You wonderful plot device. Was I fine with Barry calling in the calvary to help? Sure thing! It makes the villain that much more powerful that you need 3 to take him down. So, when he rears his ugly villainous head once more, and Barry does it by himself, then it'll be all the more worth it!

I did like the 3 headed hero. The reason that they got there was poor. I'm glad to see that Barry got proven that he can't be like the Arrow, but it was one big damned stretch for Barry to act like that-especially what he did for Snart. However, Snart was spot on for doing what he did in the manner he felt like doing it. So, kudos for that.

In a way...bad characterization lead to great characterization led to even greater personal revelations. But blah to to the very start of it. I wonder how far Joe will really let himself get pushed along by the Flash train of doing things.

Great moments with Eddie and Iris. At least Eddie got to get it off his chest that Barry was always a part of their relationship, even if Iris won't admit it.

I liked having the team up to take down Wells BUT I have to agree that having Arrow being part of it doesn't make sense.  ESPECIALLY with what is happening on his show.

I'm glad Eddie ended that relationship.  I was tired of it already.  But I get it that its the CW.

Overall I really did like the episode - just had those gripes.

What a great inter-personal/relationship episode. Barry, simply looking for 'someone to tell me what to do.' Watching Henry say "don't change yourself! I love my son as the man I see before me!" Very aptly balanced with Joe giving Barry his blessing to (possibly) destroy the life they've lived together as father/son to allow Barry to grow up with his father and mother. What moments with these fathers. FANtastic!

Very good, thematically, to drive home the point to Barry that if he goes back in time for himself, he will (again, possibly) ruin other peoples' lives. Seeing Caitlin and Ronnie marry; that's a life they've found in this time. Who is Barry to possibly undo this?

Also, I feel so damned dumb for not even making the easy connection; why would Cisco have 'dream memories' of an alternate time line? Lazy writing? No, he's VIBE, you f'ing idiot! VIBE! Jimmy T, you just won the Dunce cap. Put it on!!

Cavanaugh as Eobard unleashed was very fun to watch. You can see and tell that yes, he truly respects, and grudingly cares for the team around him. Still, that doesn't ultimately mean everything to him, since this isn't home. His and Cisco's talk was great. As if Eobard wanted to slip into their old roles, and Cisco, almost like a stubborn teenager, wasn't having any of that. Very cool to know that Cavanaugh is still a series regular next season.

And...Eddie Thawn! WOW. What a hopeless, shameless moment for him. Hopeless, being that it seems the right thing to do. Shameless, in that he shouldn't feel shame for what he's done. No one would cast stones at him for what he's done, but hate that it happened.

BUT...being this is all time travel and paradoxes and what not (how great that a paradox singularity opened up when Eobard died!), what can we think to hope to expect? I don't know, but we also know that Earth-1 and Earth-2 are coming up, along with more (confirmed) speedsters.

But..lets go back to Barry, back in time, watching his mom get attacked. And Future Flash waves our Barry off from interfering. What...what a moment that Grant Gustin established with hid dying mom. He let her know that everyone is okay, and that everyone would BE okay. Dying, and the only thought is her family. What with my near-clinical depression the miscarriage tragedies of this year, the excellent moment of the show, yes, I lost it. Just f'ing lost it.

That's why it was sooooo awesome to see Flash flying out of the first singularity to smash the time bubble and lay the shit out of Zoom!!! That was a really cool fight right there too!!

And the time travel visions?! Ahk, so cool!!!!! Next season won't be here soon enough.

Eddie kills himself to stop Reverse Flash. But if Reverse Flash is never born then he didn't come back in time.  If he doesn't come back then Eddie doesnt kill himself. So Reverse Flash is born. And we start all over.

with Reverse Flash having never existed, he couldn't go back in time and kill Barry's mother. in effect he does what Barry went back in time to do in the first place.  Reality should have shifted with Barry's family intact and no Flash unless it happens a different way then depicted

I think I've read enough quantum physics and string theory books and listened to Neil DeGrasse Tyson talk enough to believe all this could be happening, since it would be continued new universes of exploration.

So yes, this could happen...and still be the way it's currently viewed...as long as we don't think of it along the line of linear thinking and linear storytelling.

After all, there 'technically' was no chance ever for  Eobard Thawne to come back in time, since 100 years in the future is so much further ahead than the day Eddie shot himself in the chest...which, again, was predicated by Eobard coming back!

Ah time travel stories...at some point all rationale will break down and not make sense after the final explanation...but since the show ended with a new singularity occurring...well, I think the writers have the right idea. Some bad 'fit hit the shan' and the universe is getting ready to clean it up by obliterating the offenders. :D

Does time get set to the correct timeline that it was before Eobard decided to go back far enough to killy Barry's mother?

After all, in Eobard's time frame, he gained power/grew to hate Flash and be his worst enemy. Due to those fights, he then decided to go back, kill her, and that's when young Barry saw 2 speedsters.

Well, that doesn't happen.

What did happen (that we never saw) was that Barry grew up (presumably, yes) with both parents, Harrison Wells and wife took longer to make particle accelerator, Barry somehow still became the Flash, and eventually ended up making enemies or becoming enemies with Reverse Flash.

That world still saw Barry become Flash, still saw Barry get Iris....so perhaps we get to see that actual timeline unfold! Maybe Barry's dad gets to be a series regular on the outside of the bars! Maybe we get to know and love Barry's mom! And...Eddie ends up alive again!

But with only Cisco remembering!!!

Hell, this may be how Cailtin becomes Killer Frost. Maybe she has a different job (we know she did, before being brought on by Thawne/Wells, so maybe her own research led her to accidentally becoming Frost.

And, no matter what, some things always just occur. Like Firestorm's creation. Perhaps there is *some* fated happenstances.

See! Time travel talk is fun!! :D