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Title: A vs X
Post by: Wringer on April 07, 2012, 01:52:13 PM
come on, no one has anything to say...i know someone other than me read this.

This is off to a real solid start imo and how can you not like 34 pages with no adds and some of the best JRjr art than I've seen in a while for $4.

like i said...come on...


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Perry on April 07, 2012, 04:11:55 PM
come on, no one has anything to say...i know someone other than me read this.

Well Jeff and I don't get our issues until this week  ;D Bi-Weekly through DCBS. We'll get there.  :D


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Branden on April 07, 2012, 08:14:48 PM
I read and enjoyed it. But I also got an excruciating headache on Wednsday that made it hard to think about anything else. That's why I didn't say anything on here.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Jeff on April 08, 2012, 05:32:18 AM
Don't worry - I'll speak up once my issue gets here!


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: G:The Last Man on April 13, 2012, 05:33:34 AM
So far so good...

Going from Frank Cho's art in #0 to JRJR's in Round 1 felt like a step down though.  Just sayin....


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Gay Titan on April 13, 2012, 06:41:02 AM
I got it and thought it was a GREAT start!
Did I miss anything by not getting AvX #0?


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: G:The Last Man on April 13, 2012, 09:40:40 AM
I got it and thought it was a GREAT start!
Did I miss anything by not getting AvX #0?

If you think #1 kicked it off well, you should hunt down #0.  Much better start I felt.

You missed some pretty good drama when Wanda (Scarlet Witch) was dragged back to the Avenger's mansion for a reunion.....Vision pretty much let her have it!  Then Hope and Cyclops had a little exchange about her place in the world....before Hope went and took on the entire Serpent Society!

Also, Frank Cho's beautiful artwork was pretty damn flawless as usual. 

Grab a copy when you hit the LCS!


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Jeff on April 13, 2012, 09:43:47 AM
I got it and thought it was a GREAT start!
Did I miss anything by not getting AvX #0?

If you think #1 kicked it off well, you should hunt down #0.  Much better start I felt.

You missed some pretty good drama when Wanda (Scarlet Witch) was dragged back to the Avenger's mansion for a reunion.....Vision pretty much let her have it!  Then Hope and Cyclops had a little exchange about her place in the world....before Hope went and took on the entire Serpent Society!

Also, Frank Cho's beautiful artwork was pretty damn flawless as usual. 

Grab a copy when you hit the LCS!


I agree - grab #0 for Frank Cho's art alone but especially the Scarlet Witch / Vision story.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: G:The Last Man on April 13, 2012, 10:33:35 AM
Did anyone download Marvel's AR app and see what all the hype is about with integrating augmented reality into this storyline?  I'm curious.  I'll try it out tonite.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Perry on April 13, 2012, 05:29:59 PM
Did anyone download Marvel's AR app and see what all the hype is about with integrating augmented reality into this storyline?  I'm curious.  I'll try it out tonite.

But of course I did  ;D

It is more an idea than an execution, but it has some "neatness" to it. Alonso walking across my screen was pretty funny and I did like the art progressions they showed, but again, the idea of this is better than what is actually here.

I really think it would be cool for character bio's (also here in this issue) for new readers but beyond that ... eh. But hey, it's free, so what the hell, play with it.

The issue was really fun and JR's art is a lot better here, on issue 1, than it has been on Avengers or anything else in awhile. Lot more polished and not as boxy or scratchy. This is closer to his art in the early 80's and that is A-Okay with me (Loved his Amazing Spider-Man work back then). Closer, but still a little too lose, but better.

Still hard to really get into these 'hero vs hero' fight things for me, but this one seemed a little more reasonable, as far as why the fight occurred.

And for what it is worth, in issue 0, Hope fighting the Serpent Squad was way better than the Wanda story. And I will head-butt anyone that says otherwise. ;D


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: sinisteri on April 14, 2012, 01:30:54 PM
For me,

The reborn Vision seems way too emotional for any version of Vision. And I could not help but be shocked that he was upset over her going mad when some version of him tried to take over the world. Didn't know trained professionals blamed the formerly insane for not "reaching out" before going over the edge. This will be news for numerous people.  Ultimately, it shows the Avengers as yet again the most foolish heroes in the world-- you make not want to send Wanda on the path of emotional down spiral again if you have survived Avengers Disassembled and House of M.


The story read wrong on so many levels.


Just saying.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: G:The Last Man on April 19, 2012, 09:50:41 AM
Issue 2 was okay......I like JRJR as much as the next guy(well maybe not as much), but I don't think that he's a good fit for this story.  I feel that when he has to draw a wide range of characters in a single story, a lot of it looks rushed, scratchy, and boxy.  A fight between Colossus and Red Hulk, or Thing and Cage vs Namor should look a lot cooler I think. In what would be a striking panel with White Queen punching Iron Man should have a lot more impact, but JRJR's current artwork just makes it look lifeless and flat.

The story isn't much better.  Like Perry mentioned, these Hero vs. Hero stories can miss the mark, and much of the back and forth between Avenger and X-Man is laughable.  I couldn't take the conversation between Cyclops and Cap while they were fighting, or the quick verbal jabs between Magneto and Quicksilver among others...

I'm still in it for the long haul, but I hope the story/art improves....


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Branden on April 19, 2012, 06:16:35 PM
#2 wasn't as good as #1. Also, did anyone else notice that the Avengers leaped out of the helicarrier at the end of #1 but Colossus broke into the helicarrier and basically threw them out in #2?


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Jeff on June 15, 2012, 08:23:02 PM
Issue 5

We are officially in train wreck mode IMO.

 >:(


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Branden on June 15, 2012, 08:41:23 PM
#5 wasn't that bad. And I'm interested in what they're going to do with

five of the X-Men being a part of the Pheonix.

But most of the tie-ins have been more interesting than the series itself. And that's sad.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Jeff on June 16, 2012, 05:41:42 AM
#5 wasn't that bad. And I'm interested in what they're going to do with

five of the X-Men being a part of the Pheonix.


See that's what I didn't like.  I thought it was hoacky.  I'm more interested in how this will change things when it's over than I am the actual story now.  Plus the art doesn't really draw me in.  You would think a top artist would be assigned to an event this big.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: sinisteri on June 24, 2012, 02:32:19 PM
Well,

The book seems to be going the way of most Marvel mega crossovers-- heavy on plot points but lacking on real emotional character impact. I do not feel anything for Hope. The one fight I would have loved to seen detail on was the fight with Magik and Dr. Strange. No one thought to bring in the Professor who was one fo the few people who could go toe to toe with a hosted Phoenix in the first showdown?

I guess this story is playing out the underlying them of the Phoenix which takes mutants to the next level of different which should make even some mutants just as scared of the new & different as humans are of mutants, but I don't feel the depiction of that mutant reaction or human level of uneasiness at the utopia that seems to be created.

Marvel's stock in trade is human characters and reactions-- that is missing to me. Why is that missing?


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Perry on June 24, 2012, 03:39:07 PM
Because these characters are being written out of freaking character.

Seems to be the norm. Hell, half the reason I am dropping books now is I am tired of the writers 'voices' being inside my characters dialog or actions.

Cap punching Cyclops when he did, for what he did is just the latest in blatant misuse and total non-understanding of a characters.

Best books out right now from the big two are from the writers that know who the fuck they are writing about. Waid on DD, Snyder on Batman, Brubaker on Winter Soldier, are just a few of the very few that know what and how each character would/should do.

It's all crap
 >:(



Okay, getting mad isn't helping
 :D


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: sinisteri on June 25, 2012, 09:57:25 PM
Feel you, Perry.

After a few decades, the characters write themselves. And seeing them just used for name recognition while writer C does his thing is sickening. And too much the norm.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Jeff on July 04, 2012, 09:00:51 PM
Issue 6

Maybe it's because Hickman wrote this issue but I thought it was MUCH better.  I'm hoping Scott will finally get his come uppings.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on July 30, 2012, 08:02:54 PM
I'm enjoying the series, so far. At first, I thought everything happened a little too fast. But then seeing everything that's gone down since, it makes sense. This has been a crossover where everything just hits you one thing after another. I know that all the crossovers claim that "everything will change" by the end of it. But considering the pretty heinous acts being committed and the amount of change we've seen in just a few issues, I'm thinking this crossover might actually mean it. Who knows what's gonna happen, who's gonna be in power, and what repercussions such extreme actions will have when all the dust settles.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on August 05, 2012, 10:18:54 AM
The X-Men are starting to open their eyes to the Phoenix's corruption. But at the same time, the Phoenix's hosts are getting more powerful. This is getting quite good. Things are gonna hit big.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Jeff on August 05, 2012, 11:47:23 AM
I agree it has gotten better these past couple of issues.  It's going to be interesting how this finally plays out.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on August 16, 2012, 04:11:50 PM
***SPOILERS AHEAD****








Who else read the latest issue? How awesome was that?! It was just one thing after another in that issue, boom, boom, boom, coming right at you! Such an exciting read.

There can be know doubt about this now, Cyclops is basically the new Magneto. He will see that Mutant kind prevails, no matter the cost. Sound familiar?

And, Emma Frost just peeved off (and underestimated) the WRONG mutant. Can't wait to see what happens next when Magneto inevitably confronts Emma Frost.

Plus this whole thing with Hope. I didn't see that one coming. They kept setting it up as if Iron Fist was gonna gain the Phoenix Force, and that was what I expecting. So big surprise, for me at least. And was it just me, or was did the artwork look like there was some orange flame around the "dragon aura" surrounding her body? Like maybe she was still channeling some Phoenix Force at the same time. That might be significant.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on August 22, 2012, 03:54:49 PM
Where in the hell is Cable?!


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Jeff on August 22, 2012, 05:40:33 PM
Where in the hell is Cable?!

I have wondered the same damn thing.  Hope is his daughter (adopted) for gods sake.  He raised her - no way would he be sitting this out.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on September 13, 2012, 09:08:04 PM
The series as a whole I'm pretty entertained with. It started off a little meh, but the last half of the series has been fantastic and action-packed.

My thoughts on the latest issue (A vs. X #11):

Spoiler:
I thought the death of Xavier was handled well. It did seem a bit emotional since Scott was basically like his oldest son.

As for it having a lasting meaning or not...probably not. This is Marvel Comics we're talking about here. I mean, DC is just as guilty at times, but it's not nearly as often since they have legacy characters often take over the role.

I was hoping Magneto had a little more up his sleeve. That was the biggest disappointment this issue, for me.

I'm still wondering: Where the hell is Cable? It's been far too long for the recovering excuse, and his body should be able to heal him at a phenomenal rate since it's no longer busy fighting the Phalanx Virus.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Perry on September 14, 2012, 05:33:01 AM
One of the reasons I am slowly, yet surely, slipping away from Marvel (and DC for the most part) I am just tired if the retread idea's and plot points. It's no one's fault, but after almost 50 years worth of story-telling, the "WOW ... Cool!!" factor has very little chance of happening any longer. Sure, there is one here and there but for the most part, all I see is stuff I have seen before. Some newly twisted, but the same. One of the many disadvantages of getting really old, I suppose
 ;D

What is this ... the 5th time Xavier has died?



Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Jeff on September 14, 2012, 01:09:53 PM
I went ahead and spoiled myself and I'm not happy.  I'll withhold final judgement until I get my books this weekend but my first reaction was to roll my eyes and groan.

Why is it the current crop of writers can't figure out how to use Xavier?  He is a critical character for the X-Men and no one can figure out how to use him since the Claremont/Byrne days?  Grrrrr.  I think this is lazy writing b/c they don't want to deal with him in the picture.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Jeff on September 14, 2012, 09:20:52 PM
Ok - I just read issue 11 and I'm not convinced that the spoiler above is right.  Let me explain.....


It looks to me like Scott just knocked him uncouncious.  I have no doubt he's got some serious damage but I don't think he's dead.  I could be wrong but I would expect to see a lot of tears or more shocked reactions.  It looked to me like everyone was sad at how low Scott had fallen.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Perry on September 15, 2012, 04:41:37 AM
You maybe right, Jeff, but from what I've seen on the interwebs ... every comic site out there is having some sort of

Special spotlight on the life of Xavier or a "remember when" about the guy. Even one about the many deaths of Xavier

 :-\


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Jeff on September 15, 2012, 04:53:06 AM
Nate is probably right then.  Bummer.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: sinisteri on September 16, 2012, 09:06:42 PM
Hello,

I too wish more had been done with and will be done with Xavier. Never understood him giving up his school and home to Scott. I understand the situation, but not that particular act. Or the disdain some of the students have for Xavier who built a place and an instutition that is their salvation.

I always hope for more with this character!


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Perry on September 22, 2012, 11:01:35 AM
Where in the hell is Cable?!

Just heard he is in a coma. I have no idea where or when that happened as I avoid the X-Books.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on September 22, 2012, 12:03:45 PM
Where in the hell is Cable?!

Just heard he is in a coma. I have no idea where or when that happened as I avoid the X-Books.

He's recovering from his battle against The Avengers to protect Hope. During which the Techno-Organic Virus started to fully take over his body. But then Hope harnessed some of the Phoenix Force that was approaching Earth and completely healed Cable of the Techno-Organic Virus. That all happened before Avengers vs. X-Men started.

But now we're nearly at the end of Avengers vs. X-Men, 11 issues in, and he still hasn't recovered. I think that's a bunch of BS considering he was healed by Hope of the Techno-Organic Virus completely, and he knows Hope is in danger which he has an obsessive concern over her.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: G:The Last Man on December 30, 2012, 04:24:50 AM
I'm finally getting around to reading this....gonna start issue #7 in a bit, but I had some random thoughts....

-Thank god Oliver Coipel is drawing part of this series......JRJRs art is terrible.  He's really putting no effort into his artwork nowadays, and it shows.  I swear they just give him jobs just because of his name, and not his talent.  I really have come to hate it in a short amount of time.  Please tell me that JRJR doesn't come back on to finish out this series.....
-I like Cyclop's costume design for his Phoenix 5 outfit a lot.....sure beats the plain and dorky get-up he was wearing as an X-Man
-Geez I have been out of the loop for awhile....since when can Xavier walk?


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Perry on December 30, 2012, 07:36:17 AM
I just honestly don't know what happened to J.R.JR's art. I use to love his stuff. Look at his run on AMAZING SPIDER-MAN during the 80's. His work on the original CONTEST of CHAMPIONS. Almost all of his early stuff. Now it is so sketchy, boxy and un-clean ... just WTF?

I know why Marvel hires him though, he is one of the very few artists left that can pump out a monthly comic. (What the hell ever happened to that? Are artist's nowadays just lazy?)

Oh ... sorry for the hijack. Please carry on.
 :)


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: G:The Last Man on December 30, 2012, 09:12:25 AM
i agree with you perry.....JRJR's work went from good to worse.

back to the subject at hand.....I noticed something even more crazy in this series.....Colossus is now Juggernaut?!?  Then who the hell is Colossus?  Juggernaut?  I'm so confused......and this is one of the reasons I stopped reading the X-Men a few years ago!!!


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Perry on December 30, 2012, 09:31:08 AM
i agree with you perry.....JRJR's work went from good to worse.

back to the subject at hand.....I noticed something even more crazy in this series.....Colossus is now Juggernaut?!?  Then who the hell is Colossus?  Juggernaut?  I'm so confused......and this is one of the reasons I stopped reading the X-Men a few years ago!!!

Same here. All I have heard is that Colossus is now in procession of the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak. How he got it, what happened to Marko and where he is now I have no idea.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Jeff on December 30, 2012, 09:37:23 AM
It happened during the "Fear Itself" crossover event.  I hated it then and it never got better.


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Perry on December 30, 2012, 10:02:28 AM
Ahhh, kinda remember that now. And no, Glenn, no need to read that horrible Marvel event, if you haven't already. And in fact, all 'event' hate aside, that had to be one of Marvels worst events ever. Or does that go to ATLANTIS ATTACKS?


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: G:The Last Man on December 30, 2012, 10:10:59 AM
Ahhh, kinda remember that now. And no, Glenn, no need to read that horrible Marvel event, if you haven't already. And in fact, all 'event' hate aside, that had to be one of Marvels worst events ever. Or does that go to ATLANTIS ATTACKS?

Fear Itself....I got a little over halfway through it, and got bored.....maybe one day I'll check it out....


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Perry on December 30, 2012, 10:26:35 AM
Fear Itself....I got a little over halfway through it, and got bored.

 :D :D :D

That is exactly how I JUST described it, mere seconds ago, in the new topic I started about events.  ;D


Title: Re: A vs X
Post by: Jeff on December 30, 2012, 11:00:12 AM
.....maybe one day I'll check it out....

Seriously Glenn, don't waste your time.  It's really not good.  Ends with a meaningless death that is made even more meaningless with the characters resurrection the next month in his own series.