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Title: The Avengers
Post by: Jeff on May 25, 2010, 04:17:32 AM
New issue #1 - new thread!

I know I'm alone in this but I just can't stand John Romita Jr's art.  I've never liked it and never understood why he's so popular.  I just don't get it.

But for Brian Michael Bendis, I thought I could get past it.  This issue -#1- was ok. Team setup was a little weak but I'm a sucker for time travel stories.  The perfect recipe to suck me in. EXCEPT - I can't get past the art.

I don't think I can do it. I'm saddened that the story may be great but I might soon be dropping b/c of the art.  With all of the great artist out right now how did we get stuck with Romita Jr on what should be Marvel's premeire title?

Heavy Sigh.


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: sinisteri on May 25, 2010, 06:55:56 AM
I guess,

Someone behind the scenes likes him. Decent set up. I wanted some of the New Avenges atmosphere for this new group.

We will see.


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Mitch on May 26, 2010, 02:51:34 PM
I've got nothing against JRJr.  He's not my favorite, but I liked what he did back on ASM years ago.  I haven't seen any of his recent stuff, but I know exactly what you're saying about the importance of the art in general, Jeff.  Comics are a visual art.  It doesn't matter how good the story is if it looks like the artist scratched the pictures on the back of shovel or copied the faces out of a TV Guide.


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: G:The Last Man on May 27, 2010, 07:38:52 AM
You are not alone in your dislike for JRJR's art it seems here!  Count me in as one of the "few" who also thinks his artwork is overrated.  Maybe in the 70s or 80s his might be considered superb, but compared to the artists who came before him that worked with Bendis on the New Avengers, JRJR's work looks quite elementary, and I mean that sincerely.  I group him in there with the likes of Frank Quitely as artists with such huge followings, but I don't see much to fawn over.  Just take a look at his Spider-Woman....and even his Steve Rogers for that matter!  How can you take them seriously?

Artwork aside, it was just an okay issue.  I like Bendis talky-talk, but like Spider-Man exhibited in this issue when Kang was blabbing about.....a person can lose track of the point of the conversation!  The storyline shows promise with the last page reveal, but the entire first issue felt sloppy and thrown together.  Assemble team and then Kang barges in all of a sudden with a Doomsday egg that Stark hasn't invented yet....and now you must travel to the future to stop your kids?  I guess it could happen.

There's only so much that you can expect a reader to believe! ;) 


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Jeff on May 27, 2010, 10:21:07 AM
....and now you must travel to the future to stop your kids?  I guess it could happen.
 

I kept waiting for Doc Brown and Marty McFly to show up.    8)


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Jimmy T on May 27, 2010, 12:48:07 PM
Bendis speak is ruining this book. Yeah, I said it. I've supported Bendis when deserved, but his f***ing overlapping, Gilmore Girls speak amongst grown men is the most irritating shit to read in any comic. My buddy (we share comic purchasing) is dropping this after the first issue simply due to Bendis.

I can't really argue. I'm on to try New Avengers, but if you don't like Bendis, then I guess you don't get a good, proper Avengers book.

Sure, there is Secret of Academy, but Bru's stories are as slow as molasses, don't pay off as much, and nothing about Academy looks appealing right now.


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Jeff on May 27, 2010, 03:46:16 PM
Sure, there is Secret of Academy, but Bru's stories are as slow as molasses, don't pay off as much, and nothing about Academy looks appealing right now.

What about Secret Avengers?


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Sith_Chimera on May 27, 2010, 04:51:34 PM
For those that dislike JRJR's art, remember... "hot" artists nowadays are usually used to promote the launch of a book by name recognition.

With that in place, you can probably expect him to jump ship after about 6 issues or so, right? Just wait it out and he'll have to free up his schedule to stamp his name on another book that needs promotion.


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Jimmy T on May 28, 2010, 03:27:07 AM
Sure, there is Secret of Academy, but Bru's stories are as slow as molasses, don't pay off as much, and nothing about Academy looks appealing right now.

What about Secret Avengers?

Er....bad typing.  Meant "or" instead of "of" there.

Secret was a pretty decent first issue. I'm just worried about Bru's love of spy books slowing stuff down (I say this because his Cap stuff has really dragged in the last 2 arcs, I think...although, I did dig Two Americas, actually.....)

Okay,I jsut hate Sharon and Widow. So, that's out in the open. :D


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Perry on May 30, 2010, 01:42:34 PM
Love J.R. JR. Always have and always will. His structure is top notch in the industry and he works 'form' like a champ. That being said ... I am not a fan of his work on a team based book. Put him on Spidey and I'm there (until recently of course). Put him on Iron Man and I am all over it. Put him on any solo title and I will leap at the chance to read (see) his stuff, but put him on a book where all of those characters are together ... not so much.

It is almost like a reverse Ramos for me. I love Ramos' work on so very few things, but every now and then, on certain things, he just blows me away with his style. JR is like that to me, but on the flip side. I love his work on almost everything, but once in awhile ... not so much.

That may seem strange, but it is what it is.

As far as this issues writing ... eh. Like always, Bendis struggles with using established characters in a 'lets get this started' premiere. Not sure why that is. And I am a huge Bendis fan, but to me, almost every 1st issue he has written, using other than his own properties and where he is doing a refresh, he has struggled or the issue has at least left me feeling less enthused before going in. You would think I would get use to it by now. Bendis + 1st issue = "Eh"

Good news is however, Bendis rapidly regroups and comes on strong by issue 2 or 3, so I am not off this puppy yet.

SECRET AVENGERS really blew this title out of the water however.
 ;)



Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Wringer on June 01, 2010, 05:48:31 PM
I too am a huge JRjr fan...since IronMan 114.  If you like the look of his characters or not, the guy is a master story teller, his sequential panels are top notch.  He is a premire artist not because he is the "hot" artist, but because he has proven his abiltiy time and time again over 30yrs.  he can produce a book a month without breaking a sweat and the detail of his work is certainly not "elementary".

As far as character desing...he is struggling with his 1st issue but given a few issues that will be taken care of.  In his 30+ yr career he has not had much association with many of these guys and it shows, particulaly w/ Steve Rogers...a little too thin for my liking, should be larger than life and more in tune with how Deodato is drawing him in "Secret".

As for being gone after 6 issues...really dout that is the case as his runs are usually much longer than most artist (except for his run on Black Panther but the whole story was a trainwreck and he had no desire to continue).  I would expect his run to be at least a yr (without a singel missed issue, take that "current" artists  ;) ). 

Other than that I think the book is off to a good start and I'm looking forward to see where it goes.

Secret Avengers did kick all sorts of a$$, my one complait being that Valk should be taller than Natasha



Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: G:The Last Man on July 14, 2010, 06:43:32 AM
issue #2......I don't know what is ruining this book for me more...the unfocused storyline or JRJRs artwork.

Avengers kids are being naughty in the future?  Need a time machine, call on Marvel Boy.....okay, built one.....Wonder Man shows up and smashes it to pieces.....can you build another one Nor Varr?.....Wait, hold that thought....Apocalypse and the Horseman are here?!?!

This story is a mess.  Damn frustrating if you asked me.

I like Romita Jr. on certain books.  I enjoyed what JRJR did on ASM, Wolverine, Punisher War Zone, Kick Ass, among other recent titles.....but I'm still not convinced that he is working out for me here.  It just looks rushed in some places and that double pager at the end was just ugly.  Speaking of ugly, his Maria Hill needs a lot of work, and Spider-Woman can do without the 70s bouffant hairdo. 

Just not consistent enough for me panel to panel.  Some look polished while others look like little effort was made.

I'm not liking this book much at all right now, but I will still give it until the end of the first storyarc to magically improve.


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Wringer on July 14, 2010, 11:34:17 PM
I see what you are saying.  I think an inker with a stronger line would do wonders for JRjrs art.  While i like him I think Klaus Jansen isn't doing his art any favors

Story-wise it is a bit all over the place but I will give it time to settle in.  I like that Marvel boy is involved and acting like a hero should


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Jeff on September 23, 2010, 05:46:50 PM
Coming out in October


(http://i.newsarama.com/images/5_avengers_6_02.jpg)

AVENGERS #6
Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
Pencils & Cover by JOHN ROMITA JR.
The blockbuster Avengers book continues!! Kang versus Ultron with Avengers from every era right in the middle. The end of this issue is a shocker that sets up one of the biggest new threats to the Marvel Universe!! Plus: another chapter in the oral history of the Avengers!


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: G:The Last Man on September 23, 2010, 09:06:04 PM
That is an ugly cover.....JRJR is just phoning them in.  I can't find one good thing to compliment on this cover!. I don't know if I can blame the colorist or the inker here, because there isn't that much to work with here to make it pop!


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Jeff on September 23, 2010, 09:53:24 PM
That is an ugly cover.....JRJR is just phoning them in.  I can't find one good thing to compliment on this cover!. I don't know if I can blame the colorist or the inker here, because there isn't that much to work with here to make it pop!

Yep - and thats exactly how they've all looked on the inside.  This has been a BIG disappointment especially since it should be Marvels flag title.  I'm wanting to close out the arc before I drop this so I'm hoping this will be the last issue I get.


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Jeff on October 16, 2010, 01:48:49 PM
Just finished issue #5.  I like where this story went.  Issue 6 should be the end of the arc.

It's a shame the art has turned me off because the story really isn't that bad.


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Perry on February 19, 2011, 02:04:11 PM
AVENGERS #9 (and 8)

Now this is fun. The last two issues have really started to turn what I considered the worst of the three Avengers books, into a contender of good comics. Even the art is getting tighter. THIS is what J.R.JR should look like, not the crap from the first 6 or 7 issues.

There is one MAJOR flaw that occurred in the last issue however, that I hope will soon be addressed. It was brought to light, or at least brought to my attention, by Rich Johnson's site BLEEDING COOL. I will post the link below, but wanted to give a little update, or small spoiler, for those that are no longer reading this book.

The Infinity Gems were divided by Marvels Illuminati (The big 6 - Reed, IM, Black Bolt, Prof X, Namor, Dr. Strange) to safe guard them. As you will see, Black Bolt was given the Space Gem (Purple).

Now, in issue 8 of AVENGERS we see the Hood, or Robinson now without powers ... without Hood powers  ;).... find Black Bolt's gem. But now, it is the Reality Gem (Yellow).

WHAT THE ... ??

This is why people bash Bendis ... one of the resons ... I mean, he wrote both of these books. How did this "switch" occur?

I am much interested if anyone knows or if Bendis has said.

Anywho ... HERE (http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/showthread.php?35913-Whatever-Happened-To-The-Purple-Reality-Gem) is the link to show you what I am talking about.


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Jeff on February 21, 2011, 09:19:08 PM
Coming out this Wednesday, February 23rd...

(http://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/iss/120/947/19829470/969033.jpg)

Avengers 10

Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS Pencils & Cover by JOHN ROMITA JR.
The Infinity Gauntlet is back! And no power on the Earth can stop it! It is sentences like these that made Stan Lee invent the phrase: 'Nuff Said!! Another pulse-pounding, Earth-shattering chapter from Marvel's blockbuster superteam of Bendis and Romita Jr! Plus: Another illustrated chapter of the oral history of the Avengers! 32 PGS./Rated A Cover price $3.99.


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Wringer on September 22, 2011, 06:31:06 PM
For those who didn't enjoy JRjr work on Avengers, there's anew new artist in town...starting with issue 18 artist Daniel Acuņa takes over the art chores.

While I'm a huge JRjr fan, this is a good move as Acuņa is great artist.  hopefully the colorist will be up to the task as sometimes Acuņa's works gets washed out by weak coloring. 


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Jeff on September 22, 2011, 06:36:30 PM
How are the stories Wringer?


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Wringer on September 22, 2011, 10:28:54 PM
I'm still enjoying the avengers.  The primary story is derailed by Fear Itself, but the stories leading up were pretty good, of course some better than others.  looking forward to the reformation of Hammer and N Osborn stepping up to be a MU villian instead of just a spidy bad guy.

I enjoyed the 1st part of the Revengers story that started in the New Avengers Annual with WonderMan taking the "new" team apart.  Always loved Simon but he is very wrong-headed in his opnions on the current Avengers and their place in the MU and the damage they've caused.  But it makes for a fun story and it's just nice to see him when he's not all mopey/pinning for Wanda.  a far more agressive simon than we've seen in a loooooong time.  I like it.


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: sinisteri on September 23, 2011, 03:30:25 AM
Perry,

No answer to your question above about the gem switch?


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Perry on September 23, 2011, 11:37:53 AM
Perry,

No answer to your question above about the gem switch?

 :)
Yes, the answer was "oops"

That being said, I am also enjoying the AVENGERS and while I am not a huge Acuna fan (his art looks very watercolor'ish to me), I don't 'not' like him either.
 :)


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Perry on January 10, 2012, 08:16:58 PM
 >:(
Finally break the hold the Avengers has on me, and they pull me back.

Walt 'freakin' Simonson is on for 6 issues of AVENGERS starting with #25. How the hell can I not get those? HOW THE HELL?


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Jeff on January 10, 2012, 08:33:20 PM
>:(
Finally break the hold the Avengers has on me, and they pull me back.

Walt 'freakin' Simonson is on for 6 issues of AVENGERS starting with #25. How the hell can I not get those? HOW THE HELL?

Short answer:  You can't.   ;D


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Wringer on January 11, 2012, 03:47:23 AM
>:(
Finally break the hold the Avengers has on me, and they pull me back.

Walt 'freakin' Simonson is on for 6 issues of AVENGERS starting with #25. How the hell can I not get those? HOW THE HELL?

wha wha wha what...Walt is coming back to Marvel...oh my stars and garters this is a good day.  On Avengers no less...this is going to be awsome.  hopefully the first of many for Walt and Marvel in the new yr and beyond.