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Title: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: troyfreund on January 30, 2009, 02:19:00 PM
#563
Well, I've got to say that even if I'm not all that compelled with Millar's writing, I am intrigued enough to keep buying this book for now.  There's been a lot of neat moments in the Millar/Hitch-run, but ....

I am worried about what's gonna happen to the Thing, with whatever reveal is going to happen with his sweetheart.  As stated, I'm not the biggest Millar-fan currently, but he is making me nervous for the Thing, so I guess he's doing something right.  Oh yeah, I loved Wakanda's engagement gift for Ben.

And "Doom's Masters"?  hmm..that does look pretty severe.  I am interested to see where that goes.  Pretty scary stuff.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 30, 2009, 09:54:20 PM
I'm not reading this series but always interested in Marvel's first family.  Can you give me a synopsis as to whats going on?



Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: troyfreund on January 30, 2009, 10:48:32 PM
well, currently, Ben is engaged to a real sweetheart, but hints have been dropped that she's not all she seems.  Johnny was in a three-way with gals dressed as Storm and the Scarlet Witch.  Reed and Sue are being supportive of the engagement.  Doc Doom is in prison, but smiling, because apparently the two people who taught him everything he knows are on their way to Earth, one parallel dimension at a time--in this issue we saw these two folks lay waste to a parallel Marvel universe as easily as snapping their fingers.  Things might get ugly.  Oh yeah, and daughter Valeria is super-smart like Reed and son Franklin feels left out cuz he doesn't have any powers and everyone else does.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: Perry on January 30, 2009, 11:03:57 PM
Thanks for the update, buddy. As I am a fan of the F.F. (even though I recently dropped it  ;D) it is nice to know what is going on. And I must say, that as much as this sounds good -
Doc Doom is in prison, but smiling, because apparently the two people who taught him everything he knows are on their way to Earth, one parallel dimension at a time--

This ...

Johnny was in a three-way with gals dressed as Storm and the Scarlet Witch. 


Ummm ... no. Just no.
 ::)


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: G:The Last Man on January 30, 2009, 11:22:39 PM
Thanks for the update, buddy. As I am a fan of the F.F. (even though I recently dropped it  ;D) it is nice to know what is going on. And I must say, that as much as this sounds good -
Doc Doom is in prison, but smiling, because apparently the two people who taught him everything he knows are on their way to Earth, one parallel dimension at a time--

This ...

Johnny was in a three-way with gals dressed as Storm and the Scarlet Witch. 


Ummm ... no. Just no.
 ::)

Too funny.....

Troy's synopsis has me interested in checking it out at the store now just for the manage a trois!


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 31, 2009, 12:37:17 AM

Too funny.....

Troy's synopsis has me interested in checking it out at the store now just for the manage a trois!

I hate to say it but me too!



Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: Perry on January 31, 2009, 01:58:04 AM
you sick mo-fos
 :D

I have no problem with the threesome, hell in my younger days I had my share  ;) but having one of your koochies dressed as your sister? Naw ... the thought of that just makes my Mr. Fantastic a little too rubbery.

 :D


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: Brindrod on January 31, 2009, 04:01:50 AM

I have no problem with the threesome, hell in my younger days I had my share  ;) but having one of your koochies dressed as your sister? Naw ... the thought of that just makes my Mr. Fantastic a little too rubbery.

 :D

Uh...

Storm from the X-Men....  Not Sue Storm.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: Perry on January 31, 2009, 12:24:55 PM
Uh...

Storm from the X-Men....  Not Sue Storm.

 :D
 :D
 :D

Oh ... HAHAHA

Well hell, nevermind.
 :D

I guess that says three things about me -
1) Not much into my sisters
2) Big fan of Sue Storm. So much so whien I see another character, I just naturally presume ...
3) Storm is no-where on my comic loving radar.

 ;D

Man ... Storm ... Not Sue Storm ... wow.
HA

Okay, you guys are not sick mo-fos ... well maybe, but not right now, this instant.
 ;)


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: Ed209 on February 01, 2009, 04:36:10 PM

Okay, you guys are not sick mo-fos ... well maybe, but not right now, this instant.
 ;)

Speak for yourself.  I am ... all the time.  Every minute of every day.  ;D


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread #564
Post by: troyfreund on March 03, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
A good setup issue, increasing the tension and "What's gonna happen feeling?"  I'm curious to see where this goes and am enjoying seeing new people in this run--"Mrs. Fantastic" and now Reed's cousins.  Kinda cool.  Still digging Hitch's artwork and this particular issue's cover made me chuckle.  :)
Troy


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: troyfreund on June 02, 2009, 03:42:06 PM
566--Millar seems very much like a lotta sizzle and little steak.  Though neat things happen, there doesn't often seem to be enough emotional weight to the events.  Consequently I read an issue in two minutes, go "heh, clever" and move on.  The conclusion of the last story didn't do much and this issue...as said before, this run is not gonna stand out in the Fantastic Four history books.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread 569
Post by: troyfreund on July 31, 2009, 01:07:43 PM
569-"Master of Doom" finale....meh.  no Hitch, no Millar on script (just a "story" credit, with script by a never-heard-of Joe Ahearne) weak story, hardly worth the paper it's printed on.  eh..I did NOT need to spend that $3.99.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: Perry on July 31, 2009, 07:16:59 PM
Hope you are on for next month. Hickman has arrived


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: Perry on August 29, 2009, 04:47:15 PM
Hickman's FF -

After praising this guy for 4 months (or so), Hickman's first (true) issue of FF has just been laid to rest in my comic pile. I have to say ... I am honestly bemused.

The good - $2.99 price instead of $3.99

The bad - Story not worth $2.99

The worse - I bought two copies (one to share with friends)

The good - He is installing the entire Richards Family

The bad - He uses the term "family" too much in this issue

The worse - he has Reed use the term "super-hero family"

The good - He nails the character aspects of Ben, Johnny, Sue and the kids

The bad - He can not write Reed to save his ass (just horrible)

The worse - This is a Reed heavy arc

The good - Ben and Johnny going on a solo adventure

The bad - Reed going on a time adventure

The worse - I am over time stories


 :-\
Damn.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: Herr Mike on August 31, 2009, 02:16:44 AM
He might be biting off more than he can chew, but Hickman is a capable writer. I'll give it a chance. The art is weird though. Not really a fan of it. The heads are very wide and the hands are very small.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: Jeff on September 02, 2009, 02:27:49 PM
Hickman's FF -

After praising this guy for 4 months (or so), Hickman's first (true) issue of FF has just been laid to rest in my comic pile. I have to say ... I am honestly bemused.


Maybe your expectations were too high.  I thought this was a decent start.  Secret Warriors started out slow too and has been getting better with each issue.

Seems to be more of a parallel earth storyline than a time one (even though they claimed to monitor time).  I like all the parallel Reed's getting together to "Solve Everything".  It's an interesting concept and I'll stick with it through the first arc.

I wonder if Zombie Reed will be in the mix?   :D



Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: troyfreund on September 03, 2009, 01:02:35 PM
I didn't find the issue to be too bad; at least I'm willing to give it another issue or two.  The only real complaint I have is the artwork.  Really, when did Reed start lifting weights?  The art kinda reminds me of Liam Sharp's early Marvel UK stuff.  Anywho, the cover is by Eaglesham and there Reed's physique is looking like it's supposed to. :)  I know I've asked it before, but I forget the answer:  Why am I supposed to be so excited for Hickman's arrival?

Also, does anyone miss the Millar/Hitch stuff at all?  I do kinda.  I really felt like those issues were supposed to be something significant and it just didn't pan out.  What's the final analysis of the Millar/Hitch run?


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: Herr Mike on September 10, 2009, 01:43:00 AM
It totally reminded me of Liam Sharpe as well. BTW, Alan Davis did the cover I think.

I really enjoyed the Millar run.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four Thread
Post by: Perry on October 25, 2009, 11:22:55 AM
Well there is no way that is Reed ... has to be "an alternate" Reed. Treating Sue like that? Nay I say, nay.

This past issue was a lot better, but sadly I see the days are numbered for me and the FF. If Hickman can't bring my love back to this title, I fear the affair maybe over. I can always catch it in digital. I think Reed could appreciate that.
 :D


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Perry on April 10, 2010, 01:04:30 PM
FANTASTIC FOUR #577

Wow, has it been that long since I posted in this thread? Damn.

Well, thanks to Hickman, the Marvel Cosmic Universe just took a great turn. The Badoon, The Dire Wraiths, and the Kymellian and Centaurian to boot, all went through the same Kree gene manipulation as the Inhumans? And now they have returned to the Moon and await Black Bolts return so they can ... take the Earth?

OH HELL YEAH !!!!!

Jeff, I know you went to digital with this title, but I hope you have this one coming before it takes effect...?

Oh ... and Eaglesham still draws very "stand around'ish" but it was a little better this issue.


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on June 03, 2010, 11:42:15 PM
Sorry Perry - missed your post but Yes - I did get that one.  And I got May's issue too which should be my last.

Or rather....should have been!

I'm enjoying this too much to wait.  I've decided to keep getting it monthly along with Guardians of the Galaxy.


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on January 29, 2011, 04:57:52 AM
Fantastic Four 587 - The Last Stand of.....

I did it!  Managed to stay unspoiled until my issue arrived in the mail.

Now that I've read it and I know who dies I have to say I'm disappointed.  Too formulaic in my opinion.  Plus comic book deaths don't mean anything anymore.  A fact that was proven when Barry Allen came back.



Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Perry on January 29, 2011, 12:51:33 PM
Fantastic Four 587 - The Last Stand of.....

I did it!  Managed to stay unspoiled until my issue arrived in the mail.

Wow, good job. That sucker was everywhere I turned.  :D

Now that I've read it and I know who dies I have to say I'm disappointed.  Too formulaic in my opinion. 

Not sure if you think the character that died, the way it happened or the "death of the character" in general was formulaic. I will say that I am a little ... just a tad ... disappointed in the way the "death" (Clearly NOT shown) occurred, I love how Hickman worked it up until the last minute.

Going into this issue, we had four of the 4 in precarious positions. The set-up was great. It could have been anyone of them that "died" as they were all in a dangerous spots.

Sue was in the middle of an oceanic war, with Namor, which I though would be a cool future plot device (having Namor there for her death and not Reed. How would that effect Reed ... and Namor for that matter?)

Reed on Nu-World (which I am glad is gone) fighting for/with/against Galactus. He could have easily bit the bullet.

Johnny and Ben facing part 2 of the Annihilation Wave. And Ben being "normal" during the attack.

I mean, wow, any of them could have bit it and in this issue, and slowly showing us each character "reaching base" ... showing it would NOT be that character, was cool.

I know I am glad it wasn't Ben or Sue .... Hey I have the issue number posted above ... screw spoiler warning.  ;D

Plus comic book deaths don't mean anything anymore

Without question. I consider a "death" nothing more than a set time away from seeing that character again. That is all is. But hey, we read books about people bypassing the law of gravity, traveling faster than the speed of light and keeping their secret identity away from wikileaks, so what is death really?
 ;D

In fact, I think we have two options of how Storm returns without even thinking about a better way -

1) Due to some strange occurrence in the Zone, he is able to go super, super Nova and wipe them all out.

2) He 'burns' through the ground and escapes through the crust of the planet. When the wave hit he looked to be heading that way.
 ;)



Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on January 29, 2011, 01:08:43 PM
I mean the setup for the actual death was formulaic.  I saw that already in Armegeddon when Bruce Willis takes the bullet basically for Ben Affleck.

The issue itself was another good Hickman FF story for the reasons you laid out.  Having them all in potentially life ending situations was great. 

Maybe my expectations were to high because of the hype.


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Perry on January 29, 2011, 04:00:04 PM
Oh no, I think your dissatisfaction with the end product is understandable. It was not a 'wow" moment. Though Ben and Johnny's 'final scene' was a little moving, it was on the low end of luster as a whole.

On another "what will happen next" moment, I am very curious if Reed will try to resurrect Jim Hammond or create another version? This would be a heavy thing for Sue to contend with, so close to her brothers "death" and as Reed is known for his inability to stay in tune with her emotions, something he would likely do. If nothing else to have just in his lab.



Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on January 30, 2011, 12:58:35 AM
Actually Jim Hammond and Toro have both already been resurrected - see last years Torch TPB.  They are currently in the The Invaders mini series that's being published by Narcel and Dynamite.


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Perry on January 30, 2011, 01:21:43 AM
Actually Jim Hammond and Toro have both already been resurrected - see last years Torch TPB.  They are currently in the The Invaders mini series that's being published by Narcel and Dynamite.

?
Of what do you speak of? The Marvel and Dynomite 12 issue mini from awhile back?


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jimmy T on January 31, 2011, 04:08:30 AM
I'm a little, actually, a lot too damned skeptic of this.

Too many deaths and rebirths, unfortunately, rob a heroic moment of it's power. I wanted to be fully in the moment, to see the character fully in their power and go out blazing. But it looked like a mob death. I dunno. In my long comic memory, Ben's death by Doom and subsequent resurrection via a trip to heaven to meet Jack Kirby doesn't seem that long ago.

That said, I still love this title. Hickman is awesome.

Although the book is being restarted as "FF" only, that could mean Fantastic Five, since it could involve Valeria and Franklin's influence, therefore still keeping the family vibe alive, or Future Foundation, the group that Reed has started with the young generation that has paid off in spades.

And the art is great. Epting and Perkins can make anything look like a dangerous, dramatic action movie. Visuals have such a punch!!


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: sinisteri on January 31, 2011, 05:09:51 AM
Well,

I have not read this issue yet. I have not been reading much FF lately. This death of an FFF member reminds me of the death of Reed Richards a while back. I won't even mention the Death of the Invisible Woman. I always wonder is there a really good bigger, well thought out  story with these "death" storylines or is it just quick gimmick?

I would love to see FF have a comeback like the Avengers have enjoyed.

Well, we will all see what comes...


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on January 31, 2011, 01:43:13 PM
Actually Jim Hammond and Toro have both already been resurrected - see last years Torch TPB.  They are currently in the The Invaders mini series that's being published by Narcel and Dynamite.

?
Of what do you speak of? The Marvel and Dynomite 12 issue mini from awhile back?

Yeppers - that's the one.  Actually Torch brings back Jim Hammond.  Toro was brought back in the 12 issue mini before that - Avengers Invaders.  The current Invaders run has them both in it with the rest of the original Invaders.



Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on February 21, 2011, 09:22:07 PM
Coming out this Wednesday, February 23rd...

(http://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/iss/120/227/82271/969147.jpg)

Fantastic Four 588

Written by JONATHAN HICKMAN Penciled by NICK DRAGOTTA Cover by ALAN DAVIS
Following the death of XXXXXXXX, we spend a month seeing how the remaining members of the Fantastic Four, the extended family, other heroes, and prominent villains react to the loss of this legendary hero. It's the epilogue to THREE: A Month of Mourning. PLUS: The Amazing Spider-Man consoles Franklin Richards in a second all-new tale! 40 PGS./Rated A Cover price $3.99.


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on February 28, 2011, 01:15:07 AM
Just finished 588 - the final issue of Fantastic Four.

Gotta say - I'm really psyched about the new direction now and can't wait for FF #1 to come out next month.  Now I get why Spider-man is joining the team and I totally buy in now.

Hickman's fast becoming one of my favorite writers between this, Secret Warriors, and S.H.I.E.L.D.

I may need to pick up some of his earlier works like Pax Ramana or Nightly News.


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Gay Titan on April 14, 2011, 07:55:39 PM
Who is reading the "new" title?
Worth picking up?


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on April 15, 2011, 01:23:36 PM
I am and yes its fun so far.  He ties in Spidey to the family very nicely.  I forget that Peter Parker was a brainiac in his own right so it makes sense that he's hanging out with the Future Foundation.  It's a good jumping on point.


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Perry on April 25, 2011, 01:36:30 PM
I rarely get to say this, so when I can, I am very happy ...

VERY GOOD first issue.

(Of course this is a cheat as FF #1 is really, lets be honest, just FANTASTIC FOUR #589  ;))

Still think Johnny just nova'tunneled his way away from Annihilus' minions, and of course, his return is emanate, but just like the older days of the FF, I enjoy it when the team mixes the members. And hell, much like Wolverine, we could use Spidey in a few more titles.
 :D

Good 1st issue ground work, without out too much repetitiveness. Looking forward to more !!!


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Gay Titan on August 14, 2011, 11:27:41 AM
just a couple of teaser images...

(http://i.newsarama.com/images/FOUR_TEASER-fixed.jpg)

(http://i.newsarama.com/images/FOUR_TEASER4of5.jpg)


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Perry on August 21, 2011, 12:57:43 PM
Yeah, looks like I will be dropping FF at issue 11 and switching back over to Fantastic (four) proper. I know Hickman can write the remaining FF book (and still in shock that we will have TWO Fantastic Four titles ... kinda) but I am just not interested in the Fantastic Kids.

That is not to say I don't think they add to the Fantastic (four) book, as I love reading about their exploits ... with-in the confines of a greater story, but ...

Yeah, I know ... I will keep it on the pull and get both
 :-\


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on December 15, 2011, 04:25:29 AM
Just finished #600 - I knew it.  Still cool though.


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Perry on December 15, 2011, 04:42:40 AM
Yeah, it was expected but done well enough.

Still think I am going to drop this book, however. I just know Hickman will tie in the FF and the FANTASTIC FOUR into each other and I can not support that FF book. I like Hickman, but that art is just not for me.


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on December 15, 2011, 12:34:22 PM
I always thought the art gave it more of a sci fi feel.


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Perry on December 15, 2011, 01:05:16 PM
I enjoyed it, until last issue. Nope. Not for me


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Gay Titan on December 15, 2011, 09:36:21 PM
So how about some spoilers?


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on December 16, 2011, 12:09:41 AM
So how about some spoilers?

Click below for Spoiler

S P O I L E R S   B E L O W
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Johnny's back....


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Perry on January 05, 2012, 10:25:38 PM
FF #601

Love how this title stays in its own universe. Here we have the Kree attacking the planet (or New York at least), An Annihilation Wave flying out towards the stars and yet there is no maxi series involved. No 'event' hyperbole. Just a good story. Reminds me of the good ole years. (pre-1990).

Although, per my usual  :D, I do have one small problem. I didn't like the way Cap seemed a tad bit disrespectful to Kal Blackmane (whom I really dig) by classifying him in with George Washington's horse, but that is a nit pick ... I know.
 :D

So what you guys think?


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Perry on March 02, 2012, 02:10:24 PM
So now Hickman is leaving the Fantastic Four (and I assume FF) as well as the Ultimates at the end of the year.

Yeah, something is coming up...


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on March 10, 2012, 05:20:48 AM
Dangit.  So FF and Fantastic Four both had the same cliff hanger ending this month as the two stories came together.  I say dangit because this month was the last issue of FF I had preordered and now I'm wondering if I'm going to have keep picking it up to get the complete story.


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Perry on June 05, 2012, 07:57:46 PM
Wow, been awhile since I have been posting. But I guess I am not alone in that.
*Ahem*
 >:(

 ;D
Okay ...

ISSUE 605.1
****************

Yes, I bought a damn point one issue. DAMN IT. It is my second one too. I hate this marketing crap, but I gave in. I admit my weakness.

This was pretty damn good. It is, as most of the point ones are, a throw away issue with no lasting merit other than one ... it was an alternate universe story. For that reason, it gets a thumbs up from me.  ;D

What if the FF were Nazi's? And Ben being of Jewish decent?

The cool thing about this issue is how it did tie itself in with the Counsel of Reeds and their "solve everything" agenda.
Good story. Nice ending. But certainly not needed.

7 outta 10 Jewish Pilots 


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on June 06, 2012, 12:32:34 AM
I agree. It was very good.  The way it tied in was good too.


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Branden on June 06, 2012, 01:03:48 AM
I greatly enjoyed the issue.


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on June 07, 2012, 03:13:41 AM
Issue 606

Thumbs up.  A good self contained story and nice interlude.


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Perry on June 08, 2012, 10:29:58 PM
Found it to be too obvious from the get go. That was the only problem I had. I am not saying they were trying to 'hide' what was going on, but I just wish Hickman would've came up front with the journey from the start and then let the shock be "the who".

Revealing both, one we knew all along and one we didn't, just seemed a little weak.

Still enjoyed it, but nothing really special. An average comic.

6 outta 10 Crawling Corpuscles  


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on June 09, 2012, 03:06:54 AM
Perry - yeah I know what your saying but after the non stop epic ness of the past two years I thought it was the perfect break in the action.


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Perry on June 09, 2012, 11:07:49 AM
Perry - yeah I know what your saying but after the non stop epic ness of the past two years I thought it was the perfect break in the action.

Oh yeah. For sure. It's nice to have those single stories, done in one, every now and then.  :)


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Perry on June 19, 2012, 07:41:32 PM
ISSUE #607

I miss Panther. Nice to see him here. I hate Storm with Panther. Never understood it, never will. They do not belong together. Bad coupling if I ever saw it.

Like how Hickman shows how Wakanda is still a wealthy nation even without the Vibranium export and how they were able to accomplish it. At least someone didn't get killed by the fall out of Leeman Brothers  >:(

Anywho, looking forward to part two of this jungle action arc.

A solid 7 outta 10 Shares of Stock


Title: Re: FANTASITC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on August 22, 2012, 02:42:32 AM
So, is anyone staying inboard after Hickman leaves?