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Title: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Jeff on January 17, 2009, 04:40:07 AM
So I totlly blew it with my prediction of Duela being the fifth cylon! 

But Ellen??

Bit of a dissapointment I have to say.

Red herring?  What are your thoughts?




Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on January 17, 2009, 05:12:34 AM
I'd say so.  I mean if she had been there sure, but there are too many questions.  Between the implications in the Caprica trailer, Starbuck, and the planet of Cylons that had far more than 12 people, I think there's a deeper meaning to the "12 cylons" than there are only 12 models of human-cylons. 

Or maybe I'm too skeptical after ma Petrelli's "sylar I am your mother" routine, not that I beleived that either.

PS, While my eyesight sucks so I'm not the most trustworthy witness, but I could swear I saw Dualla in the next week preview.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on January 18, 2009, 12:04:30 PM
Damn good show. I am lost as hell now that they showed her as the 12th. But, I had a daydream last night as I was lying in bed ...

Hows about this –
 
Years from now, we humans develop the Cylon System. Many years later, they turn on us for our war like ways. Now, no humans exist.  Many years later, they turn on each other and blow the planet to crapola (well … one model does … more on that later). But before utter destruction, 12 models escape to the stars (the 13th colony from Earth) and form the 12 colonies.

Breed
Breed
and
Breed somemore (Earth was destroyed over 2,000 years ago remember, so there is a lot of time to get funky in the bedroom ;))

Memory wiped away (?) the 12 colonies forget they are actually Cylons. They begin to forge a new cybernetic system known as Cylons! These Cylons grow tired of being used and start a war. They then make “human” looking copies, but accessing a latent memory from their masters, make the 12 models look like the original 12 from the 13th colony.

Now …(pant, pant)

This is not the first time this cycle has occurred. Remember the Cylon that held Starbuck captive told her that this has happened before and will happen again.  Well, I think that Thrace (Starbuck) WILL destroy them all, as is her fate, as was the one before her that destroyed Earth over 2000 years ago and as is the fate of the next one … HERA. Yes Hera will be the new Death, having been forged from true love between old and new Cylons.

That is my early morning ramble.

On a side note, I just love how this show incorporates so many aspects of different religion and mythology into this show. Even little ones like how Earth was destroyed about 2000 years ago ... What in the world happened about 2000 years ago (or "supposedly" happened, for us Atheist  ;)). 2009 to be exact.
 ;D

I also think that the memory wipe (or whatever happened) is also the reason the colonies (I almost said humans  ;)) believe that there is 12 gods of Kobol (sp?)  ... they somewhat remember the original 12 cylons.

Hell ... I don't know ... I am just talking outta my ass.
 :D


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Ed209 on January 18, 2009, 04:12:01 PM
Wow.

Honestly, I really like that theory, quite a bit actually.  The more I think about it, the more I like it.  You should be a writer for the show.  I'd be surprised if it turned out like that, but wouldn't be disappointed at all if it did.

And have some Tic-tacs handy if you're gonna talk out of your ass like that.  ;D  I can smell your breath all the way over in my post.

Or maybe my cat farted....  :D


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Rich on January 19, 2009, 03:36:32 PM
Agreed, best theory I've heard so far...side note:  sad to see Dualla go--but what a way to go.  Holy carp, I did not see that coming...


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Rich on January 23, 2009, 04:15:07 PM
New episode tonight!  I'm so glad I finally caught up to the on-air seasons, so I can watch the end of this fantastic series real-time.   ;D


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on January 24, 2009, 05:19:01 AM
Well, this week we tie up a plot hole and then, well, while fun and good setup, much of this week was predictible.  Still Adama's stunt with Zarrak had me on the floor laughing.  Never play poker with that man.

Now if someone could scrub the final scene from my brain please.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Jeff on January 25, 2009, 02:19:55 PM
Well, this week we tie up a plot hole and then, well, while fun and good setup, much of this week was predictible.  Still Adama's stunt with Zarrak had me on the floor laughing.  Never play poker with that man.

Now if someone could scrub the final scene from my brain please.

Which plot hole are you referring to, Light?



Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on January 25, 2009, 04:47:36 PM
Nikki being "half cylon" without all the fanfare and trouble that Hera has had, as well as passing by Doc Cottle undetected.  When the four were outted I knew that was a bit of a problem the writers would have to deal with.

Now I'm going bak to "If Ellen was the final cylon, did Balter's detector not work on her, or did he forget to mention he knew her identity as they searched for the final five" problem, and "how did D'anna know Ellen wasn't in the fleet" question.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Jeff on January 25, 2009, 09:46:14 PM
Nikki being "half cylon" without all the fanfare and trouble that Hera has had, as well as passing by Doc Cottle undetected.  When the four were outted I knew that was a bit of a problem the writers would have to deal with.

Oh, that's right.  Yeah - that needed to be dealt with.  I have to say though that I still hate what they've done by making the chief a cylon.  Seems like they've had to scramble to fix things like Nikki and their having to go out of character to do it.  I don't really believe Kalli would have cheated on him with that guy.



Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on January 26, 2009, 04:39:43 AM
Ron Moore and the writers have admitted they did everything short of tossing darts at a list of names to pick the final five, so problems were to be expected.  Considering their relationship by our standards went from him beating her rather badly, to them being married after a one year later jump, I won't comment on if it's in character or not.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Rich on January 27, 2009, 09:42:35 PM
Baltar's Cylon detector never actually worked.  He created it as a Red Herring, iirc...and Deanna could have known about Ellen, and knew she was dead--therefore not in the fleet.  Also, Cottle was never able to discern who was a Cylon and who was not, either.  They hammered this out in the first couple seasons, I thought. 

So, Nicky would not have been detected, and only Tyrol knew that his son was half-Cylon until he was outted by Deanna at the end of season 4.0.  Now, the real cover-up is the writers quickly telling us how Nicky isn't Galen's kid at all--before any hubub arose from the fleet about another half-breed.  I'm sure the whole world crashing down around everyone's head with the discovery of a nuked Earth would be foremost on everyone's mind, rather than who had a half-Cylon crotch critter running around.  Certainly seemed that way what with all the fighting and people blowing their frakking brains out over the dream being over. 

I dunno, seems to me that the writers and producers handled this transition really, really well, with a slight backpedalling to cover the racial origin of Nicholas Tyrol.  Galen's found to be a Cylon, but before anyone can process the idea, and think--wait a tick, he's got a kid, too!--well, they're all told that the dream they've been working towards this whole time, all the hope that they poured into this idea...it's all bullsh!t.  This distracts them, and then we find out that it's not his kid anyway, so it's okay.  Or is it?  The story's not done--will he pay a price at the hands of some racist Colonials for a child that's not even his?  Who knows.  I'm just enjoying the ride...


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on January 28, 2009, 03:40:03 AM
Baltar's cylon detector did pick up Boomer, and he passed her out of fear for his life should she react badly.  I usually assumed that the second version that took 11 hours was only so that he'd never be in the room with a cylon he uncovered.  The fleet dosen't know he lied and thinks it doesn't work. 

I know my thoughts on Cottle are a bit of a stretch, but they're based on the fact that Hera's blood was found to be different from human or cylon without a lot of effort.  So I do question that if Nikki was half cylon like Hera, would Cottle have found similar abnormalities through a routine blood examination.  It's moot now.

As for D'anna and Ellen, given the short timeframe between her death and the exodus from new caprica, I'm not sure when she might have found her dead body, but it leads to a similar question: how does she know nothing happened to the other four?

Frankly, with so many theories claiming Nikki had a similar special destiny to Hera, I'm very glad it was something more mundane.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Rich on January 28, 2009, 03:04:27 PM
Yeah, you're right about the Cylon detector.  Forgot about that.  Then Phantom Six told him to make it not work, didn't she?  Maybe Boomer was activated at that time. and that's how the detector worked on her but not the five?

Also, I was just listening to the podcast for the last episode, and Ron Moore himself said that the Nicky thing was evolved in that way to prevent him from being another Cylon/Human hybrid.  I'm happy with that, because it raises many other questions for Tyrol as well as making sure that Hera is the only one with a special destiny.

The Deanna thing...I don't know how to explain that.  Maybe they have a way to monitor the Galactica?  Those plants that Gaius found in the first season?  Maybe there's more?


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Rich on January 31, 2009, 01:09:40 PM
Soooo...this las episode kicked so much ass that there was no ass left to be kicked when the ass-kicking was completed.  Gaeta is a traiterous dog, Adama is still a badass, and Starbuck...I'm in love, what can I say? Full-blown revolution aboard the ship, the last stand of Adama and Tigh, and the president gets off her ass. Finally. Best episode since last week's episode. :)


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on January 31, 2009, 04:51:14 PM
This episode magaed to be predicitble without being boring.  Love to see Starbuck back to that old self we haven't seen much of since the first season.  Gaeta.. well I just shake my head at him.  I expect him to die next week, but that'd be too good for him.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Rich on January 31, 2009, 06:23:44 PM
I don't want him dead.  I want him left on Earth with Deanna.  A fitting fate.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Jeff on January 31, 2009, 07:08:57 PM
I actually have sympathy for Gaeda.  Forming an alliance with those that wyped out your civilization is a hard pill to swallow even if its for your own good.

If the fleet can forgive Baltar I'm sure they'll find a way to forgive Gaeda.

Great episode.  One of the best, for sure.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Rich on January 31, 2009, 08:00:57 PM
I'm sure the fleet will forgive him, but I sure won't.  It looks like Tigh bites the bullet next episode, and he's one of my faves.  If Gaeta had anything to do with that, I want him flushed out a launch tube.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on February 01, 2009, 03:39:17 AM
The thought of him being stranded on Earth did occur to me, but I don't think we're done with the place yet, and doing so would just give him high odds of having some special purpose.  I don't want that.  Kill off Hoshi.  Make it Gaeta's fault, and then leave him to stew over what he did in the brig.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on February 05, 2009, 01:15:11 AM
I don't know guys ... I also can see where Gaeda is coming from.

His race is almost wiped out by Cylons.
He is shot by and looses his leg because a Cylon.
and now his commander wants to work with them?

Not saying he is right, but I do see why he is doing what he is doing.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on February 05, 2009, 04:07:59 AM
One of my friends almost said something similar, then he saw the webisodes for this season.  After that he started see Gaeta as someone out for revenge over all else because he was hurt, rather than someone doing what he's doing because he truely thinks it's a bad decision to work with the Cylons. 

It's not that I can't see where he's coming from, and after all the stuff with Baltar, it isn't even surprising, but there's little to respect in someone that feels he must hurt someone to balance their own pain, especially when people in the way become cannon fodder.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Rich on February 05, 2009, 04:46:29 PM
I can definitely see where he's coming from.  I just think that he's being VERY short-sighted.  With 30k people left in the whole race, being closed minded is not an option.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Rich on February 07, 2009, 03:12:15 PM
Well, we know one thing: you don't frak with Adama. These were probably the best episodes of the season so far. Very tense.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on February 08, 2009, 10:08:43 PM
I agree. Very ... resolute. I found it ended just perfect, seeing both men shot (without actually seeing it) and the way the Prez was shook up when seeing Adama was perfect acting.

Looks like they are shying away from all topics of Earth, so my idea is out the window.

Can't wait to see what the Col.'s wife thinks about being killed by him.  ;D


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on February 09, 2009, 03:23:27 AM
We'll be back to cylon history and possibly Earth later.  They just needed to give Zarrek his last moment in the spotlight. 

Fitting end for the guy, though with perfectly good airlocks, I wouldn't have wasted the bullets.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Jeff on February 09, 2009, 11:36:48 PM
Wow.  Finally got to watch this today.  (got a little time on my hands  :-)  )


Great two parter.  Man - I feel bad for Gaeda.  No way around that ending though.  Once he crossed the line there was no turning back. 

Zarek got what he deserved. 

I wan't a fan of Elln being the final cylon BUT the previews for next week look pretty good.  I expect the boys will deliver another great episode!



Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on February 14, 2009, 09:40:08 PM
ummm, wow. A lot (read as - A SH!T LOAD) of information in this weeks show.

Now I am kinda confused, did -
A) The final 5 leave the colonies, blend in with humans on Earth and then the bombs came, then went back to the 12 colonies and showed the old Cylons how to create "Skinjobs"
or
B) The final 5 leave the colonies, create life on Earth and then the bombs came, then went back to the 12 colonies and showed the old Cylons how to create "Skinjobs"
or
C) The Final 5 were created on Earth, left Earth after the bombing went back to the 12 colonies and showed the old Cylons how to create "Skinjobs"
or
D) None of the above.
 :D

My thinking the past couple weeks (about the Earth round Robin thing) kinda blends in with option B, but to be honest, I am a little lost on what I just heard in this episode in reagrds to the "history".

Still love the God/man creation angle to this show though.
 :)


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on February 15, 2009, 02:27:14 AM
Ha, Okay, watched it again and now I got it.

That damn Kobol was what I was forgetting/not including. Kobol is the center key to this.

And no, Starbuck (Thrace) is NOT the eighth Cylon. Can't be. Yes there are 13 not 12 now.

I was a little off my "cycle" theory, but kinda close ... I think. Kobol (Heaven) is a planet/idea that is the focal point. and Earth and the twelve colonies derive from it originally, and now they are heading back there again, to start the cycle over once again.





Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on February 15, 2009, 04:27:13 AM
I understand.  My head's been spinning all day trying to piece together Anders' babbleing and Ellen's pieces together into one conhesive timeline, and I still think I'm missing things.  It was a very full episode.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: sinisteri on February 15, 2009, 09:19:43 AM
Must say,

I like the creation having issues with the creator(s), and the fact that the creator wants the best for her creations. The issue of not being different when in fact the very essence of the existence and having attributes of the creator making the creation different than what it was intended is beautiful. And will Daniel resurface?


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on February 17, 2009, 11:21:46 PM
... And will Daniel resurface?

Was thinking more and more about this.

I Keep flip-flopping about Thrace being the final? 8. Ellen said Daniel was an artist and Thrace did love to paint ... at least painting the star going Nova. Plus, how cool would it be - The creators make Starbuck a girl for this revamp, only to reveal she was actually a guy.
 :D

I still think she is too obvious, but damn ... she did put herself (or someone very close to looking liike her) on a pyre.

The more I know the more confused I get.
 :D


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Jeff on February 17, 2009, 11:30:46 PM

I Keep flip-flopping about Thrace being the final? 8.

They definately keep trying to lead us that way.  When - crap, what's his name - her husband was looking at the other cylons and said they were all glowing, Starbuck was glowing too.



Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on February 18, 2009, 04:04:10 AM
Well, at this point there's no reason to even introduce Daniel if he won't show up in some way in either this or Caprica.  I don't want to like that idea about Starbuck, but yeah, I got nottin' else.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on March 01, 2009, 01:22:50 PM
After a pretty slow, but emotional, episode last week (which no-one talked about ... what the hell guys?  :-[ ... myslef included  ;D), this week slammed it. Holy Hell. Sharon. That b!tch.

Cheif is all kinda Fracked in the head now. Great job from the actor also ... showed total mental and emotional breakdown.

Speaking of breakdown, I though for sure Thrace was going to attempt to kiss her old man for a second. Nice way to bring her dad into the show, but you could tell about half way where it was going, still, a good job overall. Now if Thrace is the 8th ... the way they showed her dad (figment) is a great way to show implanted memories.

Hera wrote the music notes ... Hmmmm. I scream harbinger !!

Only three episodes left. ONLY THREE !!!
 >:(





Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on March 01, 2009, 05:26:57 PM
My thoughts on last week were "emotional" and "predictible" so I really had very little to say about it.

This week, back to mind frak.  Yeah, they couldn't have put any more subtext into the bit with Kara and her old man if they tried, but that's what made it work so well.  The Boomer stuff was something of a punch in the gut.  Every time I develop sympathy for her she slips into evil mode.  Part of me questions her getting away with it so easially.  With so many identical Eights (and other cylons mondels for that matter) running around, you'd think there'd be some form of measure to check the identities of the cylons you are talking to, especially for Helo and Athena. 

3 episodes left.  Granted the last one's two hours, but it still doesn't fell like it will be enough.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: sinisteri on March 01, 2009, 08:19:49 PM
Idea.

Could Thrace's father have been Daniel? Perhaps she preceeded Athena as the first Cylon/human hybrid with no one on either side knowing except her dad/Daniel who was boxed before he could reveal the truth. It would explain why he disappeared and why she has a connection to the Cylons. Perhaps she inherited her father's artistic talent which could have been music instead of or as well as art. Just a wild idea.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on March 01, 2009, 09:13:57 PM
Could be, but -
A) be pretty crappy of them to throw this new "8th" Cylon out to us, this season, and then tell us it's someone we have never seen.
B) doesn't explain her finding "her own body" (?)
C) I suspect, Hera (whom I think you meant ... the daughter of Helo and Athena) is the first Cylon/Human THIS time around the Cycle. I still believe we are seeing the second, third, or even one millionth time the "Cylons" and "Humans" have formed an alliance ... after a Cylon Civil War.
 ;)

Could be mistaken though.
 :D


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Jeff on March 01, 2009, 09:30:52 PM
Idea.

Could Thrace's father have been Daniel? Perhaps she preceeded Athena as the first Cylon/human hybrid with no one on either side knowing except her dad/Daniel who was boxed before he could reveal the truth. It would explain why he disappeared and why she has a connection to the Cylons. Perhaps she inherited her father's artistic talent which could have been music instead of or as well as art. Just a wild idea.


I think your right about her dad being Daniel.  Him being boxes could explain why he left Kara and her mom and never came back.



Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on March 01, 2009, 09:59:41 PM
Again, could very well be. But damn why even bring him up. Okay, so if Thrace is half ... no ... yes ...
Oh screw it.
 :D


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on March 02, 2009, 03:45:17 AM
Yeah, I've given up trying to figure out where this is going anymore.

I only have two predictions for the final: Rosalin will die, and Galactica will go boom.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: sinisteri on March 02, 2009, 05:49:24 AM
Very good question.

Why bring him up unless he is to play an active role in the current scheme of things or to explain or further shed light on another character's background.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on March 03, 2009, 04:33:55 AM
Well, I think the REAL reason was once they had their origin for the final five, they needed to explain the odd numbering of the rest of the cylons: 1, 2,3, 4,5 ,6, ...8.  But I'm sure they can come up with more than one use.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Rich on March 09, 2009, 01:37:08 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say this:

The Cylons created Man.

Just a theory.

All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.

Humans and Cylons living together, mass hysteria.

Here's something for you:  the whole show has been about the creation rebelling against the creators.

So if the Cylons created mankind (they have the tech to resurrect) on Earth, the humans rebelled and nuked the Cylons, escaped to Kobol, where, thousands of years later, 12 "colonies" branched out.  Thousands of years after THAT, the humans create the chrome Cylons, who...gasp...rebel and take off.

Then the come back and nuke the humans...

And the cycle begins again.  I think that this series is probably some kind of moment of clarity for the human/cylon race.  Some kind of moment of self awareness that happens only once in a millenium.

Anyway.  Just my two cents.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on March 21, 2009, 12:53:37 AM
About 10 minutes before the last episode and something has just hit me as a possible ... happening.

Baltar is the one that writes the Books of Kobol. He is the author of the Prophecies.

They have been steadily heading him down a cult leaders path and I think that may be why.
 ;)


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on March 21, 2009, 03:19:41 AM
Well what the hell?

Totally pissed.

 >:(

Loved they way they tied the ship into the Opera House and the Cylon battle, but then, in the last half hour, Ron Moore dropped his pants, lowered to a squat and took a healthy, steaming dump right in my TV room.

CRAP.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on March 21, 2009, 04:40:30 AM
What can you expect from Ron Moore.  The guys's made a living out of going "Frak you" to the audience and getting us to keep coming back for more.

The finale is a solid 10/10 until the last 45 minutes, then things get murkey.  There was a fan forum aired after the show here in Canada and the opinions are mixed.  Some thought the ending was too somber, but I expected nothing else in that regard.  Every character gets something of a send off.  Then there's the angels and God stuff which I don't know how to grade.  On the one hand it works in the philosophical element where we are supposed to compare out reality to the show, but I can't quite forgive the lack of explaination for Starbuck.  I also question the sudden religous bent after a show that has always been scientific not supernatural.  Was an explaination dropped to give us those mostly pointless flashbacks?

Of course, the upcoming Caprica series and The Plan movie are caveats to avoid giving away the whole big pitcure plan right now, in fact with Caprica I'm kind of glad they still have some plot threads left open to keep us guessing in that show.  That and years of anime have left me forgiving of such out of left field attempts at depth so I'm not disappointed.



Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on March 21, 2009, 11:44:18 AM
The finale is a solid 10/10 until the last 45 minutes,

Yep, could not agree more. Hell, after the first hour I had felt that I got my two hours worth. I looked at the wife and said -
"Damn, we still have another hour to go"

It was that filling and productive ... and good.

...
then things get murkey. 


Understatement.

As you brought up, the show always had a certain underlying (or in the forefront) theme, which is the aspects of humanity: Love, Survival and Philosophical Reasoning / Religion. The belief of the Monotheistic vs. Polytheistic ideologies was often entrenched in the show and really made more powerful with the “fight for survival of the species” aspect. However, the show never seemed to be about Supernatural elements.

Now some may argue that point or judgment, but that is how I always understood the show. The “ghosts” were not ghost’s as much as angelic bits of subconscious. Holy guides if you will. And yes, I can understand if you ask what the difference is. Hard to explain, but those that have watched the show should know what I am trying to say.  ;) The show, as religious as it was, was never supernatural, or more to my point of aggravation and ire, this show was never paranormal.

Until now.

What a crock.

I can almost … almost deal with not being shown what Thrace actually was or what we suspected her to be, and fine … some writers like to “let the readers/viewers make up their own versions of what happened” , but ending her story like this was nothing short of a non-lubed anal intrusion.

If they would have had her walk out of scene, slowly disappearing into the horizon (or some other visible means of exit) I would still be pissed at the open-endedness of it all … yes pissed, but at least then I would not be feeling like I just watched the last episode of the X-Files. Now, I am pissed doubly so. Vanished? Poof? Ghost?

And a ghost that interacted with everyone and everything? A ghost that could fly a ship? a ghost that could land that older Viper and have everyone touch said Viper, proving it has density and therefor a real F'n ship?

BULLSH!T

And then the last 5 minutes … sweet lord why? Why have the "Not Baltar" and the "not 6" there talking? Why have them talking ... explaining that crap to us? They leave us "guessing" (with a sore ass) on the important stuff, but now they want to drone on about this?

 >:(

Here is my ending …

Go over the hill, see the city, see the text -150,000 years later (just like the show) and then show the walking robot on the television … the end.

There. You have “us” evolving to repeat the same Cylon process over again. You show the viewers what will transpire, without actually showing them.

AARRRHHHH

and, damn it ... Starbuck … just … what the hell?

Boooooooo.
Booo-Hisssss
Poor ending …

Stop watching this show as soon as they land on the planet … just stop it and walk away and you will be much happier than I am today.



Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on March 21, 2009, 04:17:54 PM
Maybe if they had dropped those flashbacks to answer (or even acknowledge the question) what is "God" and why are we all on this path, but Baltar and Caprica were too accepting of "God" at this point.  I guess if it weren't for Starbuck it wouldn't even be a large issue.

The last bit didn't bother me much.  It established what most of us figured from the beginning: the Galactia was our creation myth, but not in the way we expect.  Not Adam and Eve but Mitochondrial eve and an explaination for the jump in evolution.  The rest justifies that we aren't in an endless cycle, and can through free will break it if we learn from the past and not make the same mistakes (okay it hits us over the head with it, but still...).  Olmos said he wanted to end things with a shot of the twin towers before they fell to kind of drive the point home that we're in such a flashpoint of history, but the idea got shot down.

I wouldn't call the last 45 minutes garbage, as even the problematic parts are only a small part of it, but that lack of finality, particularly on the question we've had for two years now, knocks it down a point.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on March 21, 2009, 04:38:47 PM
I still think you are being way too kind.

I am not even bothered by the holy trinity aspect, as much as I am about the MAJOR plot holes that were never answered.

How, if Thrace is this holy spirit, was she able to produce a freakin old Viper?
How, after producing this old Viper, were others able to touch it?
How, if she was this spirit (knowingly or not) was she having father issues?
How she just vanished and Lee seemed confused, but was okay with it?
How do you get thousands of people to just give up on any form a technology?
Why was Hera so important, to the Cylons, again?
Caval, so obsessed with imortality, just blows his own head off?
How, if Earth 2.0 was so close (within one FTL jump) to their "main hub", the Cylons never found it in the first place?
The purpose of imiginary (vestial) Baltar and 6 walking around 150,000 years later? Why then?
"He doesn't like to be called God" ?

Sweet jesus man, these are major srew jobs.

I get tons of what happened, I even really like some of it (being precursors to our evolution, hence solving that missing link problem). Hera being found as the Mitochondrial eve, I am assuming (which does nothing to show her importance to the Cylons, and no ... I am not buying that first human/cyborg mix), the death of Rosilyn.

There were plenty of good, but the no answers, new questions, total way of just assuming "God willed it, so that is the purpose and resolution" answer the show gave ... sorta gave ... is a total cop out, piece of crap!!!!!!
 >:(


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on March 22, 2009, 03:51:56 AM
I won't argue any question involving Stabuck or God.  Those were dropped (I think intentionally to screw with us) but as for others:

Technology: At this point in galactica's timeline, I wonder just what technology would be overly missed aside from indoor plumbing and electric lights.  Given the refrugee status of the fleet I'd imagine most people are well past the loss of the technology most of us take for granted.  They don't have TV (just occasional raido), computers, stoves and fridges.  I'll admit a weakness to Galactica was the lack of time spent with the civilian fleet, and I won't argue that most people are fooling themselves as to the life they'd have, but I'd imagine that for most people, they'd notice no real difference, and after 4 years for bulkheads, are probably looking foreward to et back to nature.

Hera: I assume you mean to Cavel, I just chalk it up to him thinking learning how to breed would be easier than to pry resuraction from the final five.

Cavel: I think he chickend out at the sight of his last hope for a more machine based life get vaped.

Earth 2.0 : the colony moved recently (just prior to the civil war) so there probably wasn't time to survey the sector.

Baltar and 6: Why then?  Because that was the equivilant to "now" for us.  In fairness, since we don't know just what they are, there's know way of telling if they just showed up then, or have always been watching.

Am I being too kind: probably, but after ten years of various animes with vague and ambiguious endings, I've kind of gotten used to shows and movies that don't spell everything out and end on more questions than answers.  I grant every person the right to be pissed off by it though.

I am REALLY looking foreward to the comentary track for this one though.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Rich on March 23, 2009, 01:55:12 PM
Wow.  Clearly, I'm in the minority here, but I frakkin' LOVED the finale.  Of course, I'm not one who needs all the answers, so it stands to reason I wouldn't have a problem with not all the answers being presented.

Hera was important to the Cylons because without resurrection, they needed to learn how to organically reproduce.  That's a no-brainer.  Cavil, knowing that all five of the "final five" had a part of the answer to resurrection, saw one of them get killed and knew he had no chance at that point.  His army was decimated, Hera was gone, and the secret of resurrection died with Tory (which was AWESOME--to see Tyrol get his revenge made me smile), blew his head off.  It makes sense to me.

The reason, to me, that Starbuck was having "daddy issues" was that she was MEANT to find the path to lead Galactica from the Colony to new Earth, and if Caprica Six's phantom self didn't know what she was until the last episode, why should Starbuck, who only recently was resurrected?  Her ship, her form--those are the unexplainables.  It's a creation story, and just that, a story, like the christian bible, the muslim q'ran and all the others--they don't always make sense, or have solid logic.  The point is that there will be those that believe--as Lee does by the end of this whole thing--and those that don't--like Chief--that there's a higher power.  Lee's okay with Kara disappearing because he believes in a higher power.

I loved that Baltar and Caprica Six are the Greek Chorus in this whole show.  Stands to reason that Baltar should be able to project like the Cylons--we're all the same, anyway, if you believe the creation myth!

Best series ever.  Ever.  And I get to watch it again, and experience it with my wife, as she watches through the series for the first time. 


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on March 23, 2009, 08:02:25 PM
Glad you liked it, but again, it is NOT that I have to have all the answers for me to consider something good ... but to leave THOSE QUESTIONS ... Come on.
 >:(


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Rich on March 23, 2009, 08:32:01 PM
Not implying that you do, Perry.   :)


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on March 23, 2009, 09:36:08 PM
Not implying that you do, Perry.   :)

Yeah, Sorry. Took that all kinda wrong.
(Still pissy, I guess !)
 ;D


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2009, 11:40:44 PM

(Still pissy, I guess !)
 ;D

Maybe your expectations were too high.  I thought the season was falling flat until this episode.  This tied it all together for me and I really liked it.

I think Starbuck represents Christ and not the Holy Spirit (only human who died and ressurected; plus she ascended when her work was done).

Overall, not what I expected but thats ok.  I was happy with the ending.
 


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Wg2100s on March 27, 2009, 12:46:36 AM
wonder if they will now come out with the complete "Battlestar Galactica"dvd collection?


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on March 27, 2009, 03:28:10 AM
I think that's a given eventually.  End of 2010 the lastest, though it might skip DVD for blu-ray.  Since I've bought the sets seperatly, I don't care.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Rich on March 27, 2009, 07:01:56 PM
Can't remember where I heard it, but BSG is supposed to be the first complete series released on Blu-Ray.

Personally, I'm hoping for a Galactica replica case that will house all the blu-ray discs.  I want that to happen.

MAKE IT HAPPEN!

*whew*

Sorry.  :)


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on March 27, 2009, 08:17:56 PM
I guess that is the one good thing that came out of the Disappearing Starbuck, I can save money not getting the last season  :D


yes ... still bitter.



 ;D



Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Ed209 on March 12, 2011, 04:48:17 PM
Well I have managed to avoid spoilers on the last season until now. I just finished the last episode last night. Yeah I know. It's been on my DVD shelf for a while and I finally said "Let's finish this thing" 
So I liked it, overall. I didn't have a huge problem with Kara's disappearing, although I can definitely see why one could be pissed about it. I don't tend to overthink these things too much, but I do wish they had gave such a major character a little more closure.
I did not like how Adama went off to live by himself, leaving Lee alone again after they could finally have a regular father/son relationship. But whatever, not that big of a deal.
Phantom 6 and phantom Baltar have always been around, from nearly the beginning of the series, so I don't have a problem with them showing up 150,000 years later.

I loved this series. I will enjoy watching it again, when my wife watches it.
I agree with Rich. Best series ever. 


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Perry on March 12, 2011, 04:56:14 PM
Best series ever. 

Yes, yes it was ... until 'GOD' brought back you know who ... in a older version Viper. WTF ????

SUCKED !!!!!!!!

 >:(

(Yes, still pissed they ruined my show)
 >:(


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Light Warrior on March 13, 2011, 03:27:54 AM
You've avoided spoilers this long.  Wow, I'm impressed.  They've had time to prep, air and cancel a spin off and announce another one since BSG ended.


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: Ed209 on March 15, 2011, 02:02:27 AM
I know. I impressed myself actually, because I'm not normally one to really care about avoiding spoilers. How I managed to do it this time, I have no idea  ;D


Title: Re: Battlesta Gallactica - Final season TBD and Spoilers
Post by: G:The Last Man on March 15, 2011, 02:45:13 AM
I know. I impressed myself actually, because I'm not normally one to really care about avoiding spoilers. How I managed to do it this time, I have no idea  ;D

I was able to avoid spoilers too when I finally watched the series beginning to end last year. Pretty easy to avoid any details if it isn't on your radar. =)

The hype is well deserved.