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Title: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jeff on July 18, 2018, 01:17:25 PM
The next DC Crisis event is coming and according to the teaser there will be 2 murders.  DC Nation #2 gave us the tease below and I thought it would be fun to see what we all would guess about it.

From the list below:

Three Characters will be accused of the murders.

Two of them will die.

One is the murderer.

Beast Boy
Mr. Terrific
Harley Quinn
The Atom
The Riddler
Booster Gold
Nightwing
Flash/Wally West
John Constantine
Lex Luthor
Wonder Woman
Deathstroke
Damage
Superman
Catwoman
Green Lantern/Kyle Raynor
Green Arrow
Cyborg
Poison Ivy
Red Robin/Tim Drake
Arsenal

So what are your guesses for who get's killed, who get's accused, and who is the murderer?


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jeff on July 18, 2018, 01:38:23 PM
My initial thoughts:

Beast Boy - red herring.  Nothing will happen to BB
Mr. Terrific - same here
Harley Quinn - she makes them too much money.  She's safe.
The Atom - possible victim here.
The Riddler - My money is here for the murderer.
Booster Gold - could be one of the accused
Nightwing - could be one of the accused, but not likely
Flash/Wally West - making him a victim would be stupid since he just came back.  He's safe.
John Constantine - another red herring.  Nothing would happen with him.
Lex Luthor - could get accused.
Wonder Woman - safe from all
Deathstroke - could get accused but not the murderer
Damage - Too new.  Safe
Superman - Safe
Catwoman - Could be a victim.  Could be accused.  
Green Lantern/Kyle Raynor - Should be a victim but I think he's safe.
Green Arrow - Safe
Cyborg - Safe
Poison Ivy - wild card - possible murderer; possible victim
Red Robin/Tim Drake - possible victim
Arsenal - possible victim but probably safe

So my guess is:

Three Accused:
1.  Catwoman
2.  Deathstroke
3.  Booster Gold

Two Deaths:
1.  Poison Ivy
2.  Catwoman

The Murderer:
1.  The Riddler

I think Catwoman will get accused of the first murder and then wind up dead.

Tom King is writing it so I'm expecting Batman centric.

Also just found out Tom King is an ex-CIA officer.  Should make for a good murder mystery writer.


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Gay Titan on July 18, 2018, 02:34:46 PM
Three Accused:
1.  Catwoman
2.  Deathstroke
3.  Riddler

Two Deaths:
1.  Arsenal
2.  Atom

The Murderer:
1.  Poison Ivy

Just my initial hunches. But really excited about this. Sounds alot like Identity Crisis which I LOVED.


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jeff on July 18, 2018, 04:29:38 PM

Just my initial hunches. But really excited about this. Sounds alot like Identity Crisis which I LOVED.

I was thinking the same thing!  I loved that mini as well.


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Perry on July 19, 2018, 01:51:58 AM
 :D :D :D
Damage
 :D :D :D :D

Ya gotta give DC props, they are still trying to make this character into something people want.  :D :D

How's it go in Marvel popularity?

Hulk
She-Hulk
Doc Samson
Red Hulk
Red She-Hulk
??
??
Damage ... "hey, what are you doing here?"

 ;D


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jeff on July 19, 2018, 05:56:17 AM
:D :D :D
Damage
 :D :D :D :D

Ya gotta give DC props, they are still trying to make this character into something people want.  :D :D

How's it go in Marvel popularity?

Hulk
She-Hulk
Doc Samson
Red Hulk
Red She-Hulk
??
??
Damage ... "hey, what are you doing here?"

 ;D

Don't forget Weapon H!   :D


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Perry on July 19, 2018, 08:21:46 AM
:D :D :D
Damage
 :D :D :D :D

Ya gotta give DC props, they are still trying to make this character into something people want.  :D :D

How's it go in Marvel popularity?

Hulk
She-Hulk
Doc Samson
Red Hulk
Red She-Hulk
??
??
Damage ... "hey, what are you doing here?"

 ;D

Don't forget Weapon H!   :D

 :D
But I want to. I really, really want to
 ;D


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Gay Titan on August 09, 2018, 05:11:56 PM
My money is on Kyle.

(https://static0.cbrimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/DC-Nation-4-cover.jpg?q=35&w=800&h=1071&fit=crop)


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jeff on August 10, 2018, 06:48:58 AM
Yeah.  I think your right Rodney.  Only Kyle or Arsenal out of that group and Kyle seems most likely.


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jimmy T on August 10, 2018, 06:57:06 AM
They may have worked hard on bringing Tim back, but he really doesn't fit into the Batman Universe currently. There's already another Robin that is apparently more received and being more used well in Damian. The Renegade runaway Robin is already being done and used via Jason Todd and the Red Hood. Tim also doesn't have his best friends in Connor or Cassie. So where does Tim fit? Honestly, unfortunately, nowhere.

My money is on Tim Drake. :'(


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Gay Titan on September 26, 2018, 09:26:33 AM
Out today and the spoilers are scandalous!!!! WOW!!!


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jeff on September 26, 2018, 02:49:52 PM
Just finished issue 1....

Booster Gold - could be one of the accused

Flash/Wally West - making him a victim would be stupid since he just came back.  He's safe.

Arsenal - possible victim but probably safe

So my guess is:

Three Accused:
3.  Booster Gold


Looks like I was close on Arsenal and nailed Booster Gold. BUT.......

 >:(   That Wally West death better be fake or else.   >:(

Of course, with Booster involved this could all get erased in a time travel.  But regardless, still a pretty good first issue.

I read it first so I wouldn't get spoiled.  If you don't want to get spoiled done't look at my hidden post above until you've read it.


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Gay Titan on September 30, 2018, 07:47:07 AM
It was okay. Not a big Harley fan. Love Booster though.

Sure, the art was pretty, but I was hoping for more story. It seemed short on pages and progression.

And can we just rename this as the Titans Massacre?


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jimmy T on October 16, 2018, 07:41:20 AM
I did not like this first issue.

When DC goes hardcore towards a murder, (not a thematic death), it really changes their framework of storytelling and setting. Not always for the better.

Think Death of Superman vs Identity Crisis. Now, I feel IC worked out in the end, but it was a large shift.

I'm not calling this bad or awful, certainly not right now, no! But man, what a bad taste in my mouth. Can't describe it more than that right now. Very glad it also wasn't 5.99 an issue!


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jeff on October 16, 2018, 02:46:03 PM
I did not like this first issue.

When DC goes hardcore towards a murder, (not a thematic death), it really changes their framework of storytelling and setting. Not always for the better.

Think Death of Superman vs Identity Crisis. Now, I feel IC worked out in the end, but it was a large shift.

I'm not calling this bad or awful, certainly not right now, no! But man, what a bad taste in my mouth. Can't describe it more than that right now. Very glad it also wasn't 5.99 an issue!

Identity Crisis worked because it was a single murder mystery and it was soooo different.  It stands alone in the DC Universe and should probably stay that way. 

This may still work - it is interesting IMO - but a mass killing and to take out some beloved characters this way takes away from the story.  I can't get past a couple of the "deaths" in order to appreciate the story they are trying to tell.  I may get there eventually, but its not a good way to start.


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Gay Titan on December 01, 2018, 01:17:07 PM
I haven't picked up the second or third issue. I LOVE Booster but don't give a shit about Harley & Ivy. I don't understand why this went from 7 issues to 9.


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jimmy T on January 14, 2019, 08:42:24 PM
Going back to Rodney's comments, yeah, 9 issues over 7? Oh boy.

Also, how are people feeling on this?

I'm through issue 3, and scattershot vignettes with only a tease of pacing don't endear me to it.

Also, it does go to that place I don't think I want to see, meaning, PTSD in my heroes. Case in point, Batman from issue 2 with his "I train....partners...
and I see them die. I'm sorry
"

I didn't hate it, but it raises my hackles, as if this is a pandora box with the lid being opened, and woe unto us to see the ramifications of it all.


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Perry on January 15, 2019, 02:25:08 PM
Trying to wait for it all to be completed to read.
Not sure I am going to make it, but that is the plan ... for now ... at this time

Also, I like it so far. I think it would work better as a Marvel comic as they tend to show their heroes being more human than DC does.
 :D :D :D

Just kidding Jimmy
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

I think it works fine. I think PTSD is something heroes would have. The problem is would they talk about it in a setting such as this?
Eh, either way, I like what I have read so far (2 or 3 I think), but man do I want to wait for it to be over to finish the read in one sitting, because, of course, things just read better than way. Much like my recent read of Umbrella Academy ... which took me two sittings.
 ;D


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jeff on April 01, 2019, 07:02:10 PM
Well we're up to issue 7.  I've been generally enjoying this but it seems like they are leading towards...
Wally being the cause of all of this.


If this is the case I may be done with DC.  At the very least I will be unhappy.


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jeff on May 10, 2019, 12:23:28 PM
Well we're up to issue 7.  I've been generally enjoying this but it seems like they are leading towards...
Wally being the cause of all of this.


If this is the case I may be done with DC.  At the very least I will be unhappy.

Aaaaaand, I'm done with DC.

(Unless they relaunch Legion with a writer in the realm of Hickman not Abnett)


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Perry on May 10, 2019, 05:23:30 PM
So by done do you really mean you are not going to read any DC digital?


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jeff on May 10, 2019, 09:11:22 PM
So by done do you really mean you are not going to read any DC digital?

At the moment I am not.  But Iím realistic enough to know that my feelings could soften with the passage of time.  But for right now, I donít want anything to with them.

I did say in the weekly thread that I would finish out this mini in case they redeem themselves but Iím not holding my breath.


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Perry on May 11, 2019, 06:18:11 AM
Sure, ya gotta finish the mini's, no doubt.

And I get not buying DC for a few, out of frustration of the mischaracterization of a certain Wally West (THE Wally West), but honestly, with DC going full catalog digital on their DCU service now, I don't see a reason to start picking them back up once the anger subsides (which hopefully it will). In one years time we will be getting the books that came out last week on that service, and I can't think of any reason why I would pay for comics individually when they will be coming to me in droves, if I just hold out
 ;D
I am already, slowly, canceling my DC reads in the preparation of Dave moving, and the Batman title is going to be the hardest one for me to wait a year for, but once it happens, and I get used to it, I think I will be fine

Plus, that back catalog? THAT is what I am most excited about honestly. The year break from current big two comics (well, six months for Marvel) is going to, hopefully, give me loads of time to read that huge back log of back issues I want to read. I really enjoyed reading that Manunter book for example. A book I NEVER would have read in any other way if not for that month of DCU I got for free. And now with full catalog and more back issues coming every week? This puppy is going to be just fine.

Although Image, Aftershock, Dark Horse and Valiant titles are going to kill me
 :-\ :-\ :-\ :'( :'( :'( :'(
(Maybe one day there will be something like The All Comic Publishers Unlimited Service? How cool would that be? Come on, get a T.A.C.P.U.S going!!!!!)
 :D


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jeff on May 11, 2019, 07:09:44 AM
(Maybe one day there will be something like The All Comic Publishers Unlimited Service? How cool would that be? Come on, get a T.A.C.P.U.S going!!!!!)
 :D

ComiXology Unlimited is close to that.  There are a lot of free independent titles on it for free.  Itís usually just the first arc but thatís enough to see if you like it or not.  I just did this recently with Nowhere Men 1-6.


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Perry on May 11, 2019, 07:50:38 AM
True, I guess that would be an option for me. Maybe I will try it again.
That not being able to read all the issues if I like it is a drawback, but like you said it would be a way to save on time and money if I find out early when I don't like it
 ;D

Maybe I will ....  :'( I know I will miss a lot as I just got through making one of the hardest lists I had to ever make, a cut down list, so off now to post about my new reading list.


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jimmy T on May 11, 2019, 08:06:24 AM
I'm...of the mindset that the next time I do go to my comic shop, I'm cancelling all my books. With the accursed Bendis ruining my Super life, Morrison being juuuust a bit more out there than even I can handle, Wonder Woman being something I don't care for...well, it seems easy to wait a year for it to roll around...or I just go to comixology for the 1 month wait on books to drop in price for Aquaman, Deathstroke, Justice League, and Hawkman.

I think with my current lifestyle of dad to a 1 and 3 year old, floppies just isn't in the cards. And I've finally reached a point where I'm okay with that. I really am.

Feels good to say.

F*** you Didio. F*** you King. F*** you DC.


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Perry on May 11, 2019, 08:59:18 AM
Well with the message to Didio aside ... welcome to the wonderful world of Digital, Jimmy!!!!
 :)


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jeff on May 11, 2019, 06:41:52 PM
Just so you know Jimmy, DC is the only publisher on ComiXology that doesnít drop their price.  Image and Dark Horse drops the best by dropping $2.  Valiant drops by $1.  I donít know about Marvel since I use Marvel Unlimited. 


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jimmy T on May 11, 2019, 07:01:33 PM
Just so you know Jimmy, DC is the only publisher on ComiXology that doesnít drop their price.  Image and Dark Horse drops the best by dropping $2.  Valiant drops by $1.  I donít know about Marvel since I use Marvel Unlimited. 

*curses REAL loud then proceeds to grumble a whole helluva lot*


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Perry on May 12, 2019, 03:14:02 PM
But that is why you get the DCU  ;D


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jimmy T on May 12, 2019, 05:49:46 PM
Oh, I am, but I would like to see money spent to keep Deathstroke and Hawkman continually published. :D


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Perry on May 13, 2019, 05:06:19 AM
 ;D
I hear that!!!!


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jeff on May 29, 2019, 06:33:15 PM
Issue 9 came out today.  I'm interested in what the Realm thought.

I read it this morning and have been processing it all day.

One thing is for sure.  I hated this mini series and still do.  Tom King really let me down on this one.  I know all about "what he was trying to do" but I honestly don't care.  This delivery was his epic fail.

Fortunately, I have read (and loved) Tom King's Grayson series, his Vision mini, and his Mister Miracle.  I'm not a fan of how Mister Miracle ended but the journey up to that was really good.  I also liked his Batman until this latest Nightmare arc.

So I'm thinking of giving him a pass for totally screwing this up.

As for this issue.....
The fact that Wally is still alive went a long way in starting a redemption path for me as far as what DC has done to this character.  The question is, will they just leave him in that cell and forget about him?  Or will they put him in the hands of a good writer (maybe even King) in order to bring him back from this.  I'll wait and see.

So yeah - my short lived DC Boycott is over, at least temporarily.

Unfortunately for DC - I found out there were a lot of titles I was buying that I can live with out.  King's Batman being one of them.  Just didn't miss them at all.  So I'm only coming back to four titles.  Well, actually three and I'm adding a new one to try out.

Action Comics
Freedom Fighters
Doomsday Clock
Batman and the Outsiders

And hopefully I'll get to add a new Legion title at some point!


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Perry on May 30, 2019, 06:05:37 AM
Not read the spoiler part yet but ...

Even though I have not yet truly read this series (as I was waiting for the end to read it all), getting spoiled on what happened last issue has me chomping at the bit to forgo the series for now and just read this issue. read the ending first. I'm leaving here in about 15 minutes to hit the LCS to grab it or maybe read it right there, depending on my mood, what else I find and of course the time.

That said, Yeah Jeff, Now that DC has all their titles popping up on DCU after a year there is no reason to pump out money on the print stuff, if you can wait it. Sure, I know you want to keep somewhat up to date on the main stuff and I don't blame you, but at $75 a year for EVERY DC COMIC (or cheaper for you as I think you went yearly from the jump and paid less), you just can't beat it!


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jeff on May 31, 2019, 01:30:36 PM

That said, Yeah Jeff, Now that DC has all their titles popping up on DCU after a year there is no reason to pump out money on the print stuff, if you can wait it. Sure, I know you want to keep somewhat up to date on the main stuff and I don't blame you, but at $75 a year for EVERY DC COMIC (or cheaper for you as I think you went yearly from the jump and paid less), you just can't beat it!


Ooo - good point!


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jimmy T on May 31, 2019, 03:52:48 PM
I read it.

I just don't... know...

I still feel validated that this kind of story hurts comics (yas know, PTSD), and we'll see how the universe suffers for it.

I still cancelled my box at my comic shop. I... Don't know what I'm feeling right now. like comics let me down. Like I don't have something to share with my son THAT MEANT SO MUCH TO MY LIFE. I'm a little torn


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jeff on May 31, 2019, 04:40:26 PM
I agree with you Jimmy; this hurts comics.  I know they want to be edgy and bring in new readers but alienating your lifelong fans isn't the way to do it.

I finally decided to forget about this story and then look at how things as they now are.

There could be some good stories for Wally to come out of this.  His struggle to overcome his breakdown and get back to being the hero he truly is could be interesting.  I'm trying to think positively. 

I guess now I know how all those Daenerys Targaryen fans felt at the end of Game of Thrones.
 


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Perry on June 01, 2019, 12:54:53 PM
I like it, so far. Trying to push what I know about issue eight out of my head, but going on just the first three issues I just finished reading, yeah, I like it.


Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jimmy T on June 01, 2019, 05:50:18 PM
A flash in the pan(s?) thoughts:

I..feel Harley was utterly a wasted amount of space in this book. She was a mouthpiece for being sad when Wally wasn't sad? Sorry, just got to thinking back through this, and I found this wastrel avenue of her character being here simply annoying in the utter long run. Is she a villain? Misunderstood? Anti-hero? I simply don't know enough about her because I seriously avoid her, so the more I read of her, the less I liked her being here.

What the hell was up with having Ivy here? Is she dead in another title? Is that what this was about? Her resurrection? An utterly flat element that was another weird set piece for me.

Also, reading the last 3 issues in a row, I really didn't have a damned sense of which Wally was talking. And APPARENTLY he is really able to go through time at any given measure now. WTF on that!!

Although, I think there was a line in issue 8...where Wally was talking about 'he had Barry...then Barry died and he was alone...then he had Linda and the kids...then Barry came back...and changed everything because he wanted to...then I was alone again' and for me, the entire series should ALMOST be about the simmering HATE and ANGER Wally would now have towards Barry.

Barry did what BARRY wanted to do for BARRY'S sake. And everyone else had to pay for it. And from Wally's perspective...he has paid most of all.

NOW THAT I could get behind.

The Macguffin of the murder event? I'm sorry, that was an utter Macguffin of the highest order. No foreshadowing of a random power, or burst, from any singular comic event in either Flash's HISTORY of power presentation. Ugh. Hate it.

THEN...THEN...Wally sets up a crime scene? WHAT IN THE FUCKING HELL?!!

NOPE. The longer I just muse on this, as I think back, that issue 8 is the DUMBEST FUCKING THING about this. In 5 pages of writing and art, King simply goes off the rails to hammer the biggest damn square air craft carrier into the a round peg hole atop a sewing needle. That process of Wally doing that is..just wrong. Despicable in the act of writing to carry that out. Preposterous. A Fundamental error in planning, writing, editing, and signing off.

And, after reading #9...what good would he have thought he would have done could balance that act of accidental murder and insanity? Killing himself and 'making the world realize that heroes have flaws and need a shoulder to cry on?' Sorry DUMB.

(not that that idea is dumb; not at all! But that King would believe that event is powerful enough of a presentation of a dramatic event to knock readers back. It's not. I don't buy it

So...I guess I had more than just initial thoughts to say!

I for sure have felt, ever since Wally shouted 'Linda! I"m back! It's me!' and she went 'Who?' that I was crushed for Wally. He had his life. His wife, his children, his hero returned, and it was erased. No, he's easily the greatest tragedy out of all this returned universe. (second only, maybe, to Oliver not fathering Conner-will that have happened??), and of course, the current new tragedy of Superman losing years of his son's life.




Title: Re: Heroes in Crisis
Post by: Jimmy T on June 03, 2019, 07:35:21 PM
So very anxious for Perry's completed thoughts. Rodney's too!