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Title: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on August 13, 2016, 07:27:15 AM
Okay, so I thought I would go ahead and start keeping track of the DC Rebirth titles, much like I did with marvel Now, to see how my opinion may change over time.

I am not yet considering any title that only has one issue released as that is far too early to gauge. And I am not even counting each titles Rebirth issue, as I don't think, by in large, they are a fair representation of the title, so titles must be on issue #2 to be considered for me (You judge how you wish  ;)), even though I know judging after two issues may not be sound, by that time you can start getting a feel for what the creative teams want to try and say at least.
 :)

Okay, titles that are not yet ranked, as they are either yet to be released or just not up to issue #2 are:

All-Star Batman
Blue Beetle
Deathstroke
Red Hood and the Outlaws
Suicide Squad
Superwoman
Teen Titans
Titans
Trinity

* NOTE - Cyborg, Gotham Academy, Harley and Super-Girl are titles I will not be getting (thus can't rank) and Earth 2, Justice League of America and Super Sons have yet to establish a release date. If I missed any title, please let me know.
 ;)

Rankings:

01 - Wonder Woman - Maybe it is just that I love Rucka, but this is some good comics
02 - Detective Comics - Really impressed how the creative team changed my opinion about this book
03 - New Super-Man - Just love this funny book about a kid who really isn't that super, or liked, being Superman
04 - Batman - Look, it's fine. It's good. But I think my Bat love bias is showing ranking this title this high
05 - Action Comics - It's had its bumps (Doomsday? Really?) but the character work here is good
06 - Hal and the GLC - Just good old fashion Corps stuff.
07 - Flash - I still have to read #4, but I am interested in what's going on
08 - Justice League - Started less than grand, but if issue #3 hits like #2 did for me, this is rocketing upwards
09 - Superman - The better written book, but just not having as much fun as I am with Action
10 - Nightwing - As I stated in the title's thread, this is too much like Grayson, but more boring
11 - Green Lanterns - I just don't care about these characters. The story is okay, but I just can't connect so I don't care.
12 - Aquaman - There is little here for me to like. Oh joy, Black Manta. And he just ... gives up? Ugh.
 
Well that's my list so far. Can't wait to see what a month or two brings. Though not sure Aquaman will be on there as I am not reading it anymore. But I've said that before and as of now I am up to date on the title :D

EDIT - I did forget to mention Jimmy's guy Ollie  :), but I am not reading Green Arrow, so hey, can't rank it  ;D


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jimmy T on August 15, 2016, 07:19:16 PM
My list...I'll countdown to one just be different.  8)

....uh...turns out I don't get as many titles as Perry, so I have added 'Honorable mentions' to some 1 or 2 issue only titles.


H) Superwoman-great start!!
H) Deathstroke-because it's PRIEST
8) Aquaman-this needs to be better, and I'm sorry, but losing the high collar makes his costume look a little stilly again. I don't know gauntlets on his gloves, or the exaggerated A on his belt (which would pierce his belly and crotch if he did a sit up), but the high collar made his armor so cool. Now? Not so much.
7) Flash-I like me some Flash. But I feel I am liking it a bit more than it deserves
6) Green Arrow- Percy is still telling a great story that hopefully helps redefine a bit more of the GA mythos. Wish the art was a bit stronger than it is.
5) Hal Jordan & GLC- Reminds me of the cool awesome Geoff Johns early days on the book! GL excitement!!
4) Action Comics-Man, this Superman is an asskicker, and takes, well, ACTION!! I dig that. Much more than the prior dude.
3) Superman- Love the Eradicator! Love that this title is moving a bit faster than Action, is all!!
1,2) Wonder Woman-BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST its 1 & 2 on the list, due to the different stories it tells. And I misnumbered when I started the list and didn't want to edit it!! ;D


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on August 16, 2016, 05:51:13 AM
3) Superman- Love the Eradicator!

Ha, that was the exact opposite feeling I got.  ;) I actually had Supes over Action by a tad until that "90's" style character showed up with his "Vibe" glasses.
 ;D
I did some research and actually really liked his earlier look, as in very first appearances with the Baron Zemo type head gear. That shit looks dope! Sorry!! See, just thinking about the Eradicator makes me go all ancient hip-hop lingo
 :D :D

1,2) Wonder Woman [....] And I misnumbered when I started the list and didn't want to edit it!! ;D

 :D
 :D
 :D


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on August 16, 2016, 07:27:48 PM
Rebirth Rankings.

I'm going to rank what I've read regardless of number of issues out. Just to be different because  I never ever follow the crowd.

01 - Wonder Woman - Maybe it is just that I love Rucka, but this is some good comics

1,2) Wonder Woman-BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST its 1 & 2 on the list, due to the different stories it tells. And I misnumbered when I started the list and didn't want to edit it!! ;D

1) Wonder Woman - Dammit.   ;D
2) Hal Jordan & the Green Lantern Corps - I find myself looking forward to each new issue.  This hasn't happened much with DC for me lately. When it does I have rank it high.
3) Red Hood & the Outlaws - same as HJ above.
4) Detective - surprised me as I'm not a fan of Clayface here. But there's no denying this is well plotted, written, and drawn.
5) Superwoman - One issue and jumped into the top five.  Let's see if it can maintain that.
6) $5 Batman - Snyder knows Batman. But he's not perfect. Let's see how his out of character twist works out.
7) Batman - The Gotham and Gotham Girl plot has been interesting.
8 ) Titans - maybe because I got my Wally West back. After a couple more issues I'll reevaluate this.
9) Flash - I think I'm in the minority here in not liking all these speedsters. But I I don't hate this so next arc will be the true test for me.
10) Deathstroke - could go higher as issues come out. Rebirth was decent.
11) Superman - I was high on this at first but this Eradicator story isn't good.  Get back to life with the kid and it'll go back up.
12) Justice League - first two issues were weak. But now that Supes has shown up could get better.
13) Nightwing - this makes me sad.  Nightwing should be much higher on my list. I miss Grayson (and Midnighter).

14) Suicide Squad - not hooked after Rebirth issue but not hating it yet.
15) Green Lanterns - would have loved to read this for the Red Lanterns but I just don't care about these green lanterns.
16) Green Arrow - hated the Rebirth issue so I dropped. But I have to admit looking at the covers makes me want to give it another shot.
17) Aquaman - easily the worst of what I read. Did not pick up after Rebirth issue.

I have not read any of these so I couldn't fairly rank. But I do have some thoughts.
Action Comics - the praise this gets here and then my enjoyment of Superwoman has put this on my radar. I might try it out.
Batgirl & the Birds of Prey - curious about this.  I may try out the Rebirth issue.
New Super-Man - I hear good things but I really have no interest. Maybe I'll try it as things drop off the list.
Batgirl - no interest
Hellblazer - no interest
Harley Quinn - no interest

My thoughts on the rest that have release dates but aren't out yet.
Supergirl - actually kind of looking forward to this. I hope it doesn't suck.
Blue Beetle - same here. Giffen in BB has to be a win.
Cyborg - I'm interested in checking this out. Don't know why but I am.
Trinity - no interest yet
Batman Beyond - no interest yet
Gotham Academy - no interest ever

EDIT: left off Teen Titans by accident.  I'll give its Reborth issue a try since it has Kory, Garth, and Raven in it.


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on August 17, 2016, 06:06:10 AM
Rebirth Rankings.

I'm going to rank what I've read regardless of number of issues out. Just to be different because  I never ever follow the crowd.

01 - Wonder Woman - Maybe it is just that I love Rucka, but this is some good comics

1,2) Wonder Woman-BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST its 1 & 2 on the list, due to the different stories it tells. And I misnumbered when I started the list and didn't want to edit it!! ;D

1) Wonder Woman - Dammit.   ;D

HAHAHAHA. Nice !!!!!
 :D
 :D
 :D

I have not read any of these so I couldn't fairly rank. But I do have some thoughts.
Action Comics - the praise this gets here and then my enjoyment of Superwoman has put this on my radar. I might try it out.

It is pretty good, even with that damn Doomsday  >:( The book is doing a good job with Lex and Superman as well and there is a good mystery going on here that we still don't know the answer to yet. While this book may not be on most peoples top 3, it is certainly on the higher end of the Rebirth titles.

Batgirl & the Birds of Prey - curious about this.  I may try out the Rebirth issue.

I did not like the Rebirth issue, but I didn't like many of them so you can't judge by that.  :D I can only wish you well.
 :)

New Super-Man - I hear good things but I really have no interest. Maybe I'll try it as things drop off the list.

This should be the first book you pick up after you drop your first DC title, if that is what it takes to get you on.  ;D But you can't go into it thinking it is a DC book. I mean it is, but it is truly different. You will not like this Superman, but you will like the book BECAUSE you don't like this Superman. Haha. Not quite like Kirkman's Ant-Man book (if you ever read that), but in a way, very similar. Just like it reminds me of the Giffen/DeMatteis (sp?) Juistice League. It has that humor that doesn't seem like jokes but makes you giggle a little ... I guess ... hard to explain. Let me put it this way, it is a good-natured, fun book that should ... SHOULD leave you smiling after you're done.

Plus the good thing about this is, like Superwoman, only a monthly titles so it won't cost you $6 a month  ;D
Sadly, the bad news is, just like Superwoman, you only wish it was a twice monthly book when you start reading
 :D

But again, as the say, your mileage may vary
 ;)


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on August 17, 2016, 07:04:13 AM

New Super-Man - I hear good things but I really have no interest. Maybe I'll try it as things drop off the list.

.....the good thing about this is, like Superwoman, only a monthly titles so it won't cost you $6 a month  ;D

That might just be the winning sale for me right there.


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on August 17, 2016, 07:34:19 AM

New Super-Man - I hear good things but I really have no interest. Maybe I'll try it as things drop off the list.

.....the good thing about this is, like Superwoman, only a monthly titles so it won't cost you $6 a month  ;D

That might just be the winning sale for me right there.

Ha, right?
 ;D


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Gay Titan on September 15, 2016, 07:34:37 AM
Overall, I am enjoying Rebirth. My only gripe is that it didn't need to be bi-weekly. Some of the titles are already on issue 6 or 7. WTF???


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on September 15, 2016, 11:03:03 AM
Overall, I am enjoying Rebirth. My only gripe is that it didn't need to be bi-weekly. Some of the titles are already on issue 6 or 7. WTF???

Well just try and hang in for as long as you can because I have heard/seen speculation from more than one site/podcast that all the bi-weekly titles will be returning to a more manageable monthly schedule before too much longer.

Now when they do ... if they do ... do they also return to the $3.99 price point? That is what I am waiting to see.


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on September 18, 2016, 09:45:00 AM
Well now that most of the titles I am interested in (or not interested in ... or was interested in, but now I am not  :D) I figured it is time to revisit my rankings and see how the newer issues hit and how some of the older issues fell off.

JUST NOT FOR ME (but gave a quick peek anyway)

Cyborg
Green Arrow
Harley Quinn
Hellblazer
Supergirl

WANTED TO LIKE BUT DROPPED -

Batgirl
Batgirl and the Birds of Prey
Blue Beetle
Green Lanterns
Suicide Squad

RANKINGS (as of 9/18/2016)

01) DETECTIVE COMICS - Was easily a top 3 title, but last issue shot this to the top. Sorry Diana.
02) WONDER WOMAN - Still a great book and last issues translation problems were funny
03) ALL-STAR BATMAN - Yes it has it's problems, but this is so old school fun. I am just enjoying it greatly.
04) HAL AND THE GLC - Another old school fun book, with less problems, that is just hitting for me.
05) DEATHSTROKE - Never followed the character much after New Teen Titans, but happy to now.
06) BATMAN - Still higher than it should be ranked, I think, but Reis and that emotion just killed last issue
07) ACTION COMICS - Its slide is more the books above got better more than this slipped. Still good.
08) SUPER-WOMAN - Man this last issue was not as strong, but hoping for a great rebound.
09) NEW SUPER-MAN - After a great two issue start, this title slides just a tad. Still a worthy read
10) NIGHTWING - The last two issues have turned this book around for me. No Grayson residue now.
11) SUPERMAN - Look, this title will rebound, but for now, with that Eradicator story-line, it drops a tad.
12) AQUAMAN - This title is making a turn. Last issue with Superman was really strong.
13) RED HOOD and the OUTLAWS - Good banter between characters so far, but still early
14) TITANS - A title that continues to meander into blandness. This could be so much better than it is.
15) FLASH - Just nosediving. I know my fellow realmers were not super stoked for this, I understand.
16) JUSTICE LEAGUE - If I had to buy this, the last issue would have been my last. Giving it two more issues, only.

So there are the 16 DC titles that I read, ranked how I fell about them at this time. Can't wait to see two months from now and to see if Trinity gets placed in the "ranked" section or the "not for me" section
 :D



Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jimmy T on February 16, 2017, 06:44:16 PM
Rechecking in on this...

I have not started any new DC book...but DC hasn't released any other new books, really, either....But I've only stopped the half-hearted monthly Titans venture, too.

1.   Hal Jordan & GLC- Reminds me of the cool awesome Geoff Johns early days on the book! GL excitement!! Still loving this as much, if not MORE!!!

2.   Wonder Woman-BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST Now, still damned good. Love the origin switcheroo and reveal...but one half of the story is cooling off for me. And that's why it fell one spot.

3.   Superman- Still loving this book; just wished Multiplicity ran longer; or that it was for sure going to have far reaching ramifications. If anything, I'm glad that there are some bizarre magic stories, tales of the weird and astonishing, and big outer space stuff. Hitting lots of different angles, and I'm glad to see Superman spread through that.

4.   Action Comics-Man, this Superman is an asskicker, and takes, well, ACTION!! I dig that. I'm enjoying the mystery surrounding Clark Kent. A much more layered book than I was going to give Jurgens credit for

5.   Deathstroke-because it's STILL PRIEST

6.   Superwoman-LIke I've said, I love the big ideas, big execution of this book. Enjoying the characters alot, too

7.    Aquaman Keeps getting really good...then just okay...then rises up!!! Then gets, 'yeah, that's fine.' Make it great always!!!

8.   Green Arrow- Percy is still telling a great story that hopefully helps redefine a bit more of the GA mythos. Wish the art was a bit stronger than it is. I'm really flip flopping back and forth on when I enjoy the issues and when I'm just cold to them. Lowering it in standings

9.   Flash-I like me some Flash. But I feel I am liking it a bit more than it deserves (This still mostly rings true. Lowering it standings
 


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on February 17, 2017, 05:03:18 AM
Interesting indeed. I need to catch up on my DC reading so I can do the same re-ranking.
 :D

EDIT - I will say that the recent issues of Nightwing that I have read has that title dropping off my list. Reads like female fan fiction now.
 ::)
And yes, sorry, not trying to sound sexist, but female writers do have a different "voice" than male writers. At least most of the times for me. That is not a bad thing, at all, there are lots of female writers I enjoy, but there is a "voice" in which they write (man ... I am failing to both find another word for that as well as trying to explain my thoughts without sounding apishly male  :D).

Bottom line, to me, Seeley is finding his inner woman.
 :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jimmy T on March 15, 2017, 05:42:03 PM
Where's those rankings, muchachos?


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on March 16, 2017, 06:18:48 AM
 :( :(
I am so behind on my DC reading I can't rank them yet. I have only been able to stay current on Action, Superman and ... that is it. I have the following issues to read to even begin to start ranking again -
Aquaman - 17,18 and 19
Batman - 17,18 and 19
Detective - 948, 949, 950, 951 and 952  :o :o >:(
Deathstroke - 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14  >:(
Hal and the GLC - 14, 15 and 16
New Super-Man (one of my favorites) - 7, 8, 9 ... and 10 (?)
Not to mention the odd issues of Wonder Woman - 13, 15, 17 and 19 coming out next week and all the first issues (not the Reibrth #1) of Justice League of America, Batwoman and Super-Sons.

This puppy, who just had to have $1,400 dental surgery, is killing my time. I don't even get to post here as much (or as long winded  ;D :D) as I use to.
 >:(

I will make an effort to be caught up on all my DC by the end of April. How's that? With the bi-weekly shipping it will take me that long.
 :)


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on March 16, 2017, 11:58:34 AM
I'm in the same boat on my DC.  Been buying the cheaper Image issues and just haven't had time to pick up any new DC.  I need to though as I'm getting to far behind and it will be EXPENSIVE to catch up!


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on March 17, 2017, 12:32:24 PM
Officially dropped Flash and Aquaman from my "reading" (like I have done much of that, Pfft  ::)).

Now the FLash I dropped as I just couldn't enjoy reading it. No matter how much I tried. I also "dropped" it twice prior, but this time Ihae taken measures to make sure I don't get pulled in again. Told Dave not to bring it over anymore.
 :D
Also did the same with Aquaman, but not for the same reason. I just need to kill some of these bi-weekly books and while I have, more than not, enjoyed this title, I just need to save some time so dropping four issues should help my DC reading.

Was going to add Nightwing, another titles I have "dropped" more than once, but flipping through the last two issues I see a really cool looking villain, so I am giving this another go, again.
 :D

Hoping to be ripping through DC more over this week-end and while I know dropping two titles doesn't seem like much, it can only help, right?
 :)


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on March 17, 2017, 12:42:20 PM

Hoping to be ripping through DC more over this week-end and while I know dropping two titles doesn't seem like much, it can only help, right?
 :)

Depends on how far behind you are.  For example - I have Action Comics in my Wish List and am 9 months behind.  You might think 9 behind isn't that much (for me) BUT that equates to 18 issues!  Even if I could afford to buy them all at once it will take me forever to read them (Unless that was the only thing I read)!


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on March 18, 2017, 02:38:29 AM
Exactly. That Bi-Weekly shipping is both a blessing and a curse
 :D

EDIT - And not to mention that by the time you finished with those, there could be at least two more issues released, which would mean you were not finished with those.
 ;D


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on March 18, 2017, 03:34:48 PM
Exactly. That Bi-Weekly shipping is both a blessing and a curse
 :D

EDIT - And not to mention that by the time you finished with those, there could be at least two more issues released, which would mean you were not finished with those.
 ;D

Lol!  That is so true!


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on March 20, 2017, 01:56:53 PM
Officially dropped Flash and Aquaman from my "reading"  ...

And that didn't last long at all.  >:(
Forgot that there is a Batman/Flash crossover event coming soon, with the Watchmen (or at least the smiley face button of the Comedian) shown on the cover. Soooo ... yeah, the title is back on for awhile
 :-\

Also, I was just told that my boy, and often times guy mistaken for hitting Hero Realm with Russian Spam  :D, Stjepan Sejic is coming on as new artist in the Aquaman rotation. No way I am missing out on that.

So hey, was able to drop two titles for about a week ... okay ... a couple of days
 :D :D :D


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on March 24, 2017, 07:40:28 AM
Just a few updated notes, for my top nine comics. Of course the lower titles will drop further when I read Hal, All-Star, New-Super-Man, etc ... so I am just marking the moves of the comics I am up to date with. Will post an easier to read version, with opinions (so, harder to read  :D) when I am totally caught up
 :)

JUST NOT FOR ME (but gave a quick peek anyway)

Cyborg
Green Arrow
Harley Quinn
Hellblazer
Supergirl
Teen Titans - May return with art change
 
WANTED TO LIKE BUT DROPPED at some point -

Batgirl
Batgirl and the Birds of Prey
Blue Beetle
Green Lanterns
Suicide Squad
Justice League
Justice League of America
Titans
Flash  ... However, I am back on for the Bat crossover, so that could pull me back in.
EDIT - Superwoman - Just found out new creative team comes on with issue #9. Time for me to jump ship with #8

RANKINGS (as of 9/18/2016) (3-24-2017)

#1 - 02) WONDER WOMAN - Still a great book and last issues translation problems were funny
#2 - 06) BATMAN - Still higher than it should be ranked, I think, but Reis and that emotion just killed last issue
#3 - 11) SUPERMAN - Look, this title will rebound, but for now, with that Eradicator story-line, it drops a tad.
#4 - 00) BATWOMAN - Love the look, enjoy the story. Not rated prior
#5 - 05) DEATHSTROKE - Never followed the character much after New Teen Titans, but happy to now.
#6 - 01) DETECTIVE COMICS - Was easily a top 3 title, but last issue shot this to the top. Sorry Diana.
#7 - 00) TRINITY - Good romp starring the big three. Not rated prior
#8 - 07) ACTION COMICS - Its slide is more the books above got better more than this slipped. Still good.
#9 - 12) AQUAMAN - This title is making a turn. Last issue with Superman was really strong. (Had dropped but back on with art change.

Still have to catch up on so can't yet place ...

03) ALL-STAR BATMAN - Yes it has it's problems, but this is so old school fun. I am just enjoying it greatly.
04) HAL AND THE GLC - Another old school fun book, with less problems, that is just hitting for me.
08) SUPER-WOMAN - Man this last issue was not as strong, but hoping for a great rebound.
09) NEW SUPER-MAN - After a great two issue start, this title slides just a tad. Still a worthy read
10) NIGHTWING - The last two issues have turned this book around for me. No Grayson residue now.
13) RED HOOD and the OUTLAWS - Good banter between characters so far, but still early
--) SUPER SONS - Have yet to read



Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on August 12, 2017, 08:09:50 PM
I've noticed in other threads that titles have been dropped.  Titles have been added.  But have no idea what people are still reading in total in regards to the DC's.

So what is on your regular reading list?

Mine looks like this (unranked).

Reading but not necessarily current:
Action Comics
$5 Batman (also still known as All Star)
Aquaman
Batgirl and the Birds of Prey
Batman
Deathstroke
Detective Comics
Hal Jordan & the Green Lantern Corps
New Superman
Red Hood & the Outlaws
Superman
Superwoman
Titans
Trinity
Wonder Woman

In Wish List but haven't started yet:
Batwoman
Doom Patrol
The Fall & Rise of Captain Atom
Mister Miracle
Super Sons
The Wildstorm



Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jimmy T on August 12, 2017, 09:20:38 PM
No kidding; you read Batgirl and the Outlaws books? How are they?


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on August 13, 2017, 07:11:57 AM
No kidding; you read Batgirl and the Outlaws books? How are they?

I've only read the first arc of each and I liked both.  Birds of Prey is going to be more Huntress centric.  Especially in the next arc.  Outlaws is fun because it's different.  I think the next arc is heavy Bizarro centric.


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on August 13, 2017, 11:44:50 AM
Okay, ranking-less -

Still reading but way behind on -
Detective
Batwoman
Superman
Super-Sons
Wildstorm

Still pretty current and enjoying -
Miracle Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Batman - though it is NOT Batman and astounds me this is the same writer as the one I love on Vision, Omega and MM  ::)
All-Star Batman (or too expensive Bats  :))
Aquaman
New Superman - Not AS good with the new artist, but still a great different take.
Hal
Deathstroke
Red Hood and the Outlaws - And Yes Jimmy, it is fun. A good romp. At least for me. But I have no history with Jason Todd, really, nor Artemis and Bizarro was the reason I jumped in and after the first few issues, I get him.

I think that is it. Dropped or just not interested in the others at this time, sad Booth wasn't gone from Titans longer or I would have stayed there, I think.

(And I wouldn't worry about getting Rise and Fall or the Amazon mini until they are on sale)



Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on August 13, 2017, 12:43:11 PM
Considering your aviator I'm SHOCKED your NOT reading Mister Miracle.  Looks like you really like that Miracle Man comic though.   :D :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on August 13, 2017, 02:04:17 PM
 :D :D :D :D :D

I was just ... just thinking ... it sure is a ... a miracle, man, that Tom King writes this Mister Miracle so well.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

 :D :D

(Wow!!!)  :D :D :D I literally have the title right beside my post too

Can't even edit the damn thing now.
 :D



Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jimmy T on August 18, 2017, 08:01:57 PM
Rechecking in on this...

I have not started any new DC book...but DC hasn't released any other new books, really, either....But I've only stopped the half-hearted monthly Titans venture, too.

1.   Hal Jordan & GLC- Reminds me of the cool awesome Geoff Johns early days on the book! GL excitement!! Still loving this as much, if not MORE!!!

2.   Wonder Woman-BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST Now, still damned good. Love the origin switcheroo and reveal...but one half of the story is cooling off for me. And that's why it fell one spot.

3.   Superman- Still loving this book; just wished Multiplicity ran longer; or that it was for sure going to have far reaching ramifications. If anything, I'm glad that there are some bizarre magic stories, tales of the weird and astonishing, and big outer space stuff. Hitting lots of different angles, and I'm glad to see Superman spread through that.

4.   Action Comics-Man, this Superman is an asskicker, and takes, well, ACTION!! I dig that. I'm enjoying the mystery surrounding Clark Kent. A much more layered book than I was going to give Jurgens credit for

5.   Deathstroke-because it's STILL PRIEST

6.   Superwoman-LIke I've said, I love the big ideas, big execution of this book. Enjoying the characters alot, too

7.    Aquaman Keeps getting really good...then just okay...then rises up!!! Then gets, 'yeah, that's fine.' Make it great always!!!

8.   Green Arrow- Percy is still telling a great story that hopefully helps redefine a bit more of the GA mythos. Wish the art was a bit stronger than it is. I'm really flip flopping back and forth on when I enjoy the issues and when I'm just cold to them. Lowering it in standings

9.   Flash-I like me some Flash. But I feel I am liking it a bit more than it deserves (This still mostly rings true. Lowering it standings
 


Almost 8 months to the day later!!!

I see I have dropped 3 of my bottom 4 out of 9 titles!!!! DC, what up? Or is it Jim?
Superwoman, Flash, and Green Arrow are now gone.
Added to the mix is Super Sons. Aquaman and Deathstroke are now monthly only.
For the next 6 months, METAL and tie-ins will be included.

I think...I think I may try Outlaws, based on your guys' recommendations. Even Detective. But both can be Comixology purchases. I don't need those in trades in shelves or even floppies.

So, with rankings:

1. Superman - some issues are not as great as others, but consistently always pleases, sometimes over the moon, sometimes just with a good smile.

2. Hal Jordan - well, I won't give this a huge drop due to ish 25, but the want to punish this title is there. Let's see how things pan out now.

3. Aquaman - A great turnaround with Sejivc (sp), but only 3 issues in

4. Action Comics - a great feeling book where Jurgens attempts to channel his 90s' younger self, and does well in coming very, very close

5. Deathstroke - I think Slade is only here, because I always just jones more for Supes. To be fair, this title probably should be 3rd, or even second, but I don't feel like doing the editing.

6. METAL - because, you know, METAL!!!

7. Super Sons - dammit, almost forgot this and had to edit too much! No, you know what? I feel safely ensconced on this title and with it. Which is not anything I would have said 9 months ago, to be honest.

8. Wonder Woman - essentially, an unknown cypher now. Once this girlz power team is out and Robinson comes on, I hope for better stuff.

You know what? It looks like I HAVE to try Detective and Outlaws now. ;)

Otherwise...what is DC offering me beyond my little faves???  ???

And yeah, I don't believe the Justice League book(s) are any good with their current teams/directions.


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on October 27, 2017, 08:29:48 AM
What a difference a couple of months make.  Here's my new ranking.

1.  Detective Comics - The return of Tim Drake arc has really notched this up for me.  Artistically, Mr Miracle is a better book but when I think about what I can't wait to read each month, this title is the top book.

2.  Mr. Miracle - Slow burn here at the beginning but I see the potential and look forward to seeing where it's going.

3.  Deathstroke - I'm behind on this but love what Priest has done here.

4.  Hal Jordan & the Green Lantern Corps - My enjoyment is waning a bit on this one but could just be the current arc.

5.  Aquaman - Probably not going to keep this after current arc but right now I'm enjoying it.

6.  New Superman - Fun title even though I believe it's days are almost over.

7.  Batman - Way behind on this one so it may be better than I have it listed.

8.  Red Hood & the Outlaws - Little behind on this title but I've enjoyed what I'm up to.

9.  Super Sons - Enjoyed this a lot more than I expected.  I think the premise will eventually start to bore me but so far the story has been good.

10.  Metal - A bit of a disappointment.  It's not terrible but I probably could have skipped and been ok.  I'll still finish it as it may have ramifications for the future of the Bat-world.

Interested in adding these:

1.  Nightwing:  The New Order - 4 part mini that just sounds fun.  An Elseworlds type of story not in continuity.

2.  Justice League - picking up the Metal Tie-In issues (32 & 33) but starting with issue 34, Priest is taking over as writer.  Priest writing the Justice League?  Yeah - I gotta check that out.



Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jimmy T on October 27, 2017, 07:53:49 PM
I will be so all over Justice League when Priest starts writing-I ALMOST LITERALLY CANNOT WAIT!!!

I got much to say on Metal #3 yet.

I'm afraid Aquaman may not be much like or even intersting after this artist leaves, or even when Abnett leaves.

Hal Jordan needs a solid pick me back up!

I can't remember who just came on 'Green Lanterns' but I may think of trying that one out again.

Glad I got convinced enough to try Red Hood. Been liking reading that so far.

I will be getting Detective at some point. For sure!


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on October 29, 2017, 06:32:20 AM
Still have way too much to catch up on to rate/rank the lists as a whole, but to piggyback off Jeff and Jimbo -

Yes!! Priest on Justice League (what should be the main DC book anyway) is a no brainer. I will jump on that like a President Bush on a butt.
( :D :D :D too soon? Too heartless? Too uncaring? Look, I get it, it is bad, he should be punished, ashamed and it should never happen to any woman, but "Assault"? Come on!!!)

If the artist coming on after my boy Sejic does interiors anywhere close to the pictures I have seen of his work, it is at least going to look amazing. I can't say DC isn't trying to make this book look stellar!! (Psst, Marvel, THIS is how you do it)

Need to get a good run of Detective, Hal, Hood, New Supes, Robinson's WW (have to try) and my god I need to get on Super-Sons again!!!


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on October 30, 2017, 09:17:51 AM
Well, I gave it a long 'thinky' this weekend and I am now no longer going to try and read as many comics as I currently try/hope to read. I am just getting too far behind on the comics I truly enjoy by constantly checking in on various titles or trying new things (which is funny considering what you will read in a second ... haha).
With DC, I had to cut the bi-weekly books by half and also decided to pause my reading on other titles as well. I will no longer try and read:
(The bi-Weekly books)
Action Comics
Superman
Flash
Wonder Woman
(also now going to not peek into)
Titans
Hellblazer
Red Hood
That last one was a tough call for me as it was between New Super-Man and the Hood folks, but while it is still around I want to try and keep up with New Supes. I can't say I enjoy it "more", but I do enjoy it and think its time is limited, so want to stick with it while it is still around)

Another reason I am doing this drop run (also dropping some Marvel and more) is that DC will soon have those 6 new titles hitting that I want to get ready to try.
 :D
Damage, The Immortal Men, The Silencer (The least enticing of the group for me), The Terrifics (!!!!!), New Challengers and Sideways are titles I have to try and if I like ... man ... I will be in trouble if I don't stop trying to read so much. I can't do it now, much less when I add more to the pile. I really need to get down to about 20 to 30 comics a month, but it is soooo damn hard!!!


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jimmy T on November 01, 2017, 06:54:06 PM
Day-um, that's some cut down there Perry!!

Just as I was thinking, maybe MORE DC for me, if not that, well, I need more Valiant catching up!!!


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on November 02, 2017, 07:30:28 AM
Day-um, that's some cut down there Perry!!

Its those damn bi-weekly books.  :D Okay, not just them, but they are helping in killing me. Haha. Trying to keep up with them all and then I get frustrated looking at all the issues I need to read, knowing how little time I get to read and I start feeling like I do't want to read anything.

I never thought I would hate a title coming out every other week but here I am. You think that if I read just 8 DC books I would be fine but when that 8 is 16 issues and then add a few more to that and BAM, suddenly I have 26 issues a month to read just from DC.

Add in the 20 or so from Marvel that I try to keep up with (now down to 12), the Valiant issues (all of them) and the occasional Image (although I have put a halt on most of those to read in huge chunks!!) and a couple other publisher's titles here and there (like Black Hammer!!) and I am up to like 70 issues a month. I can usually only get 40 or so in a month (most times) and I just keep feeling like ... well ... I am starting not to enjoy reading as I feel I am never going to get my feet under me.

I have to cut books, even ones I like, to start getting back "into" the ones I really love (Like Black Hammer!  ;D)

It sucks that I like so many books.
 :D :D


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on November 02, 2017, 10:22:16 AM
I feel the same way Perry which is one of the reasons (the other being cost) that I cut my list down too.  I'm doing better though still not quite there.  My goal is to get caught up by December or I'll cut some more.


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on January 17, 2018, 03:51:04 PM
January 2018

Kicking off the new year!  Here's my current reading list for DC and my ranking of them.


1   Doomsday Clock - It's early but been a fun read so far.
2   Detective Comics - Still my favorite on-going but only because of Tim.
3   Deathstroke - Just a good book overall.
4   Nightwing: The New Order - Fun alternate world book about the Wolfman/Perez Titans.
5   Mister Miracle - Not liking this as much as King's Vision.  I'm actually not sure why I have it this high on the list.
6   Hal Jordan & The Green Lantern Corps - not as much fun as it was in the beginning but still engaging.
7   Deadman by Neal Adams - Fun book, but probably only for me.  Very much like the old Adventure Comics from 70's.
8   Red Hood and the Outlaws - Been fun to read so far.  Not sure how much more road there is to travel though.
9   Super Sons - I keep thinking this is too "kiddie" for me, but I like it anyway!
10   New Super-Man - Momentum is starting to falter.  I think it's almost done anyway but it's been a fun ride.
11   Aquaman - Art is fantastic on this book but the story has drawn out too long.  I'm losing interest.
12   Batman - Not a fan of the way this is written.  I didn't mind it b4 the engagement but now it's painful.
13   Justice League - I've only read one Priest issue so it's not high yet.  I expect this to go up the list this year.
14   Dark Nights: Metal - Can this thing end already?

I'm thinking of picking up Nightwing and Titans based on Perry's sudden praise for the two books.  If they are good I'll likely add them.

Also - going to try and review and revise my ranking each month this year and see how different the list is from January to December!

EDIT:  I'll also be giving The Terrifics and The Immortal Men a try when they come out this year!


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jimmy T on January 17, 2018, 08:29:15 PM
Can't wait for the Terrifics!! The other newer books from DC has me intrigued at a couple of places. Immortal Men too, maybe Damage?


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on January 18, 2018, 07:59:19 AM
Okay, I haven't done this to Jeff's comments in awhile, always seem to be Jimmy's, so I am doing this one right now.
 :)
Pushing MY thoughts on his feelings
 :D :D

1   Doomsday Clock - It's early but been a fun read so far.

100% agree. Have really enjoyed this much more than I thought I would

2   Detective Comics - Still my favorite on-going but only because of Tim.

Still behind on this. May just have to skip that last arc with the Victims (or whatever that new, and honestly cool to me, group is called) although I really don't want to, for the reason I just stated if nothing else.

3   Deathstroke - Just a good book overall.

Agree again

4   Nightwing: The New Order - Fun alternate world book about the Wolfman/Perez Titans.

And thanks for the push on this title. Really digging what I read so far. Going to start issue #4 and #5 when #6 hits, so I can get that good 3 issue run

5   Mister Miracle - Not liking this as much as King's Vision.  I'm actually not sure why I have it this high on the list.

Uh-Oh ... this is ... not good to hear. I haven't read an issue since issue #2 as I was trying my hardest to wait and read the next 10 issues (and I plan to re-read from the start) when this is done. I have heard after issue #6 DC may be putting the book on hiatus to allow the artist to catch up, much like Image creators do, so I may just breakdown and read up to that point, but you not throwing praise is kinda scaring me. I really loved the first two issues, just as much as his Vision or at least his Omega Men, so I hope it hits better for me.
 :-\

6   Hal Jordan & The Green Lantern Corps - not as much fun as it was in the beginning but still engaging.

Also behind on, but I agree with both you and Jimmy that it was kind of faltering a tad on the last few issues I did read. Hmmmm, not really a push to continue, so maybe I will wait and just jump in at a later time and let lie the 5 or 6 I am behind
 :-\

7   Deadman by Neal Adams - Fun book, but probably only for me.  Very much like the old Adventure Comics from 70's.

Have not started this, as I was really not looking forward to another Batman: Odyssey  ::) May have to take a peek now

8   Red Hood and the Outlaws - Been fun to read so far.  Not sure how much more road there is to travel though.

I am torn on this one. I do enjoy it when I read it, but I just don't feel like I used my time wisely after I am done. So much more out there that I should be reading, is what I feel after I get with an issue of this title. Still, I like it, just not very impactful.

9   Super Sons - I keep thinking this is too "kiddie" for me, but I like it anyway!

I liked it until the x-over. I will have to decide where it goes now. Hopefully will still be a good read for me.

10   New Super-Man - Momentum is starting to falter.  I think it's almost done anyway but it's been a fun ride.

"Momentum is starting to falter." is the perfect way to describe my feelings. Ever since the original artist left, this book has been sliding ever so slightly each month. The title is set to have a slight title change soon; the new title will be New Superman and the Justice League of China". A tad long, but if they are going to start having this be more of a team book (even though it is now, in a way), I may stay on just a little longer.

11   Aquaman - Art is fantastic on this book but the story has drawn out too long.  I'm losing interest.

I can certainly see why you feel that way and even though I haven't reached that point, yet, my feeling turning like yours can't be far off the horizon if this isn't wrapped soon. I do still enjoy it and am looking forward to the next story, but yeah, this one needs to end

12   Batman - Not a fan of the way this is written.  I didn't mind it b4 the engagement but now it's painful.

The ONLY issue I really, fully enjoyed was the carnival issue. And that was like an Elseworld's One-Shot. King is a great writer, but I am just not a huge fan of his Batman

13   Justice League - I've only read one Priest issue so it's not high yet.  I expect this to go up the list this year.

Loved all that I read! Very ... different, actually

14   Dark Nights: Metal - Can this thing end already?

Another thing that needs to wrap. Like now.

I'm thinking of picking up Nightwing and Titans based on Perry's sudden praise for the two books.  If they are good I'll likely add them.

Well, please keep in mind that the praise for the Titans issue was mostly, by a large margin, the art  :D But ... well I guess I did enjoy the story, even coming in late like I did.
Nightwing however I really enjoyed. Still need to find out who this villain is. I don't remember him, but I was out of comics pretty much the entire time Nightwing has his own series. I like him and the way he is using his powers though.

Also - going to try and review and revise my ranking each month this year and see how different the list is from January to December!

Sweet, I need to do that to.
That will make it happen, right?  ;D

EDIT:  I'll also be giving The Terrifics and The Immortal Men a try when they come out this year!

I am sooo eager for most all of DC's New Age of Heroes line. The Terrifics are of course at the top of the list, being an FF type riff, but yeah, other than that title the New Challengers, Immortal Men and Sideways are titles I am chomping at the bit for. The Silencer and Damage are also pulling at my eyes with great fervor. Curse of Brimstone and the Unexpected ... well ... a little less, but still going to try 'em


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on January 18, 2018, 02:35:23 PM
2   Detective Comics - Still my favorite on-going but only because of Tim.

Still behind on this. May just have to skip that last arc with the Victims (or whatever that new, and honestly cool to me, group is called) although I really don't want to, for the reason I just stated if nothing else.


Don't skip it if you don't want to.  It plays heavily in the arc we're on now and it wouldn't hurt to have the background.  It is the weakest arc but still ok.

5   Mister Miracle - Not liking this as much as King's Vision.  I'm actually not sure why I have it this high on the list.

Uh-Oh ... this is ... not good to hear. I haven't read an issue since issue #2 as I was trying my hardest to wait and read the next 10 issues (and I plan to re-read from the start) when this is done. I have heard after issue #6 DC may be putting the book on hiatus to allow the artist to catch up, much like Image creators do, so I may just breakdown and read up to that point, but you not throwing praise is kinda scaring me. I really loved the first two issues, just as much as his Vision or at least his Omega Men, so I hope it hits better for me.
 :-\


This might read better all at once.  I plan to go back and re-read it once issue 6 comes out.  Reading it month to month leaves you a little confused.  Plus, the New Gods seem out of character although I've never followed them too closely so I could be wrong.

7   Deadman by Neal Adams - Fun book, but probably only for me.  Very much like the old Adventure Comics from 70's.

Have not started this, as I was really not looking forward to another Batman: Odyssey  ::) May have to take a peek now


If you liked Deadman in Adventure Comics you'll probably like this but it's not a must read.  Although Etrigan, Spectre, and Phantom Stranger are in this too so it is kind of fun.

10   New Super-Man - Momentum is starting to falter.  I think it's almost done anyway but it's been a fun ride.

"Momentum is starting to falter." is the perfect way to describe my feelings. Ever since the original artist left, this book has been sliding ever so slightly each month. The title is set to have a slight title change soon; the new title will be New Superman and the Justice League of China". A tad long, but if they are going to start having this be more of a team book (even though it is now, in a way), I may stay on just a little longer.


I'll likely drop off after the new title comes out.  It was fun but feels like the true story is done and it's just moving into a standard comic format.

11   Aquaman - Art is fantastic on this book but the story has drawn out too long.  I'm losing interest.

I can certainly see why you feel that way and even though I haven't reached that point, yet, my feeling turning like yours can't be far off the horizon if this isn't wrapped soon. I do still enjoy it and am looking forward to the next story, but yeah, this one needs to end


Definitely time to wrap this arc up and move on.  Would love to see more of this art with a new story arc.

EDIT:  I'll also be giving The Terrifics and The Immortal Men a try when they come out this year!

I am sooo eager for most all of DC's New Age of Heroes line. The Terrifics are of course at the top of the list, being an FF type riff, but yeah, other than that title the New Challengers, Immortal Men and Sideways are titles I am chomping at the bit for. The Silencer and Damage are also pulling at my eyes with great fervor. Curse of Brimstone and the Unexpected ... well ... a little less, but still going to try 'em

I'm tempted by a lot of them as well.  I may go ahead and try the first issue of each but the Terrific's is the one I'm really pumped about too.  Can't wait to find out how Phantom Girl wound up with this group.  Could this finally mean a new Legion title is on it's way?  I can dream, right?


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on January 19, 2018, 11:32:28 AM
And hey, Jeff, Just to be well balanced, I may be alone in my praise of Nightwing. I really liked the first two issues of the new writer, have not read the third yet, but the grades are not out of this world from other graders, as seen HERE (https://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dc-comics/nightwing-(2016))

However, if you click on the issue number, you get to this issue screen HERE (https://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dc-comics/nightwing-(2016)/35) and if you then click on the image of the cover, you will get a 4 or 5 page preview of that guy I was talking about ... if you want to take a peek inside.

I just found out that we can do that, click covers for previews, so I am clicking covers all over the place at this site now that I know they have previews built in.
 ;D

EDIT - Now they seem to have "preview" written below the comic image too, actually telling us it is there. That was not there before (read as "My blind ass never saw that before")
 :D


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on January 19, 2018, 11:41:54 AM
I checked out that preview Perry, and I liked what I read.  I did not like the art.  I'll give the arc a try and see if I can look past the art to the story.  Very intriguing.  Almost, Purpleman-ish.


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on January 19, 2018, 12:03:56 PM
  Almost, Purpleman-ish.

Yeah!!! Exactly.
And in the book, not really a spoiler, they discuss Dick fighting (or coming across) this guy before, but I am not sure if that is in the past comics history or if this writer is going to expound by making revisionist-history. If you get me?


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on January 19, 2018, 08:16:40 PM
  Almost, Purpleman-ish.

Yeah!!! Exactly.
And in the book, not really a spoiler, they discuss Dick fighting (or coming across) this guy before, but I am not sure if that is in the past comics history or if this writer is going to expound by making revisionist-history. If you get me?

Yep I get ya.  I wondered the same thing.


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jimmy T on February 17, 2018, 09:34:37 PM
So, with rankings:

1. Superman - some issues are not as great as others, but consistently always pleases, sometimes over the moon, sometimes just with a good smile.

2. Hal Jordan - well, I won't give this a huge drop due to ish 25, but the want to punish this title is there. Let's see how things pan out now.

3. Aquaman - A great turnaround with Sejivc (sp), but only 3 issues in

4. Action Comics - a great feeling book where Jurgens attempts to channel his 90s' younger self, and does well in coming very, very close

5. Deathstroke - I think Slade is only here, because I always just jones more for Supes. To be fair, this title probably should be 3rd, or even second, but I don't feel like doing the editing.

6. METAL - because, you know, METAL!!!

7. Super Sons - dammit, almost forgot this and had to edit too much! No, you know what? I feel safely ensconced on this title and with it. Which is not anything I would have said 9 months ago, to be honest.

8. Wonder Woman - essentially, an unknown cypher now. Once this girlz power team is out and Robinson comes on, I hope for better stuff.

You know what? It looks like I HAVE to try Detective and Outlaws now. ;)


I tried Outlaws for 3 issues; I just haven't bit to come back for more. Think it's because Metal tie-ins were a big hit to the wallet, oh, and I had another child. That said:

1. Justice League-Because, Priest.

2. Superman- will really miss Gleason and Tomasi here! And Doug Mahnke!

3. Deathstroke-Because, Priest.

4. Super Sons-the book has kept it's same attitude and art. Dig it.

5. Hal Jordan and GLC- they climbed back up and doing some cool stuff now again. Controllers arc was a bit blah.

6. Action Comics- Love Booster around, but I'm not sure the Oz shake up will ultimately show as a good idea.

7. Aquaman - I think this has jsut been entertainingly solid throughout.

8. Mister Miracle- I love the reading of this, but its more the spectacle of it, I think. A good spectacle! but for me this is more about the build to the payoff.

9. Metal-NOT paying off in the dividends I want.

10. Wonder Woman- I may be checking future solicits to see how long Robinson is on...because I am thinking of dropping this.

I still wish to get some digital Detective tpbs yet. I want to read the Terrifics, Immortal Men I think, and I can't remember the 3rd book (New Challengers!), but I will try some new stuff.

Oh, and I'll read Doomsday Clock greedily enough each other month it comes out. ;)


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on February 18, 2018, 08:49:19 AM
I think, well, what I find I truly enjoy with Mister Miracle, perhaps even more than I did with Vision ... yeah, certainly more, actually ... is the way the art is telling the story a tad more than usual. It comes out as being just as integral as the actual writing. I mean, yes art is always important, but here, in rare form, the art is in every sense a true 33% of the story. It is pulling its weight, without dominating or slacking.

And I mean that thoroughly. The colors, the way they are used are also, to me, a dead even split in making this title so wonderful. What I am trying to say here is this is one of those rare 33% comics. Each major aspect is just as important, just as impactful as the last before it.

Sure there are books where the art saves the issue, where the art (being the pencils, inks and colors in solo or combination) just looks so good the issue is spared and then there are times where the art is 90% of the reason the issue works, being more the storyteller than the writer, but with MM, I find I am fully immersed in all three vital aspects of the comic. Each one brings its own enjoyment to this title.

I think Vision could be said to be a "better" written book, I would never cry foul for anyone thinking that, but MM is so much more for me. The use of television static, the bleeding of colors, the fight scenes/panels in that last issue alone ... perfection. Yes, Mister Miracle is the rare "Complete Comic". It is what most comics aspire to be. It is ... it is a miracle, Mister.
 ;)

For me -

I dropped a lot of DC that I was trying to stay up on. It just became overbearing, overpowering. Heck I even came back for one title and then saw where it was heading and decided I was off it again in a few more issue.
 :D

Dropped or tried and dropped (again in some cases  :D)
New Super-Man (sadly, the art killed it. Destroyed it!!)
Batwoman - Just didn't enjoy the "voice"
JLA - I tried this for a couple issues. While I think Batman here in this title is
actually Martain Manhunter in disguise
, maybe, and that could've been a cool twist, if true, I just didn't enjoy it.

And crap, now I have to go ... will be back later, but I did write my last place already so ...

Nightwing - Came back to try the new creative team and found I enjoyed it. I am really digging this new/old villain. In a few issues I am off again as ... well ... I honestly can't remember now  :D I think it is the new creative team coming on after this current arc? Maybe? Hell, I can't remember. I just know I didn't like it.
 


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on February 19, 2018, 03:12:05 PM
Okay, trying this again
 :D

Got back on board Action and Superman (I was out for about two issues of each, I think) and while that Superman issue I was talking about liking (the same one Jimmy also enjoyed) is still on my mind, I just don't know where to rank them honestly. I keep thinking about Bendis, and ... well ... I am glad DC is allowing the creative teams to "finish" their runs by giving them an "arc ending Special" issue
 :-\

01 - Mister Miracle - My favorite DC book right now. Best use of the 3 main factors in comic creating- writing, art, colors.
02 - Doomsday CLock - An incredible recreation/original comic happening before my eyes.
03 - Justice League of America - Really digging this arc. totally agree with Jimmy here. A unique title voice here with Priest
04 - The Wildstorm - Not sure I should count this or not, but a top 5 DC book is what it is so, here it is. Ignore if needed
05 - Batman - The Worlds Finest arc is the ONLY reason this is back this high. Love King, but his Batman ... HIS BATMAN!
06 - Michael Cray - May as well throw this here too. Deserves the spot, don't get me wrong, just not sure if it should count
07 - Deathstroke - would have been 3rd before I read that last Annual. Ugh, still shaking from that issue. Not good.
08 - Titans - I know, I know, I am just as shocked as you. But the last 2 or 3 issues have felt like old times. Pelletier helps
09 - Detective Comics - Tragic comics always end up lower for me and this has been sad lately  ;D
10 - Aquaman - Still a beautiful comic and though it IS dragging a tad, I am still here enjoying the ride
11 - Super Sons - Dropped way down after that horrible x-over crap, but I know the potential is still there
12 - Superman - That "caring" issue really hit home for me. Jumped this title up a spot or two for sure.
13 - Hal Jordan - Just started to get into this and then ... Zod  :-\ ...  ;D. Okay, yes, still pretty good, or at least decent
14 - Silencer - Another title I am not sure if I should place here. Really just okay. May be dropped next issue anyway.
15 - Sideways - again, like Silencer, not sure this belongs, nor will last, but the Rocafort art sure does!!!
16 - Metal - Not a good "event", at all, but want to see it through. Better now that I read more "tie-ins"  >:( >:( >:(
17 - Nightwing - Actually really good arc, top ten DC maybe, but going to drop in another two issues, soooooo
18 - Action Comics - Meh, just trying to see how it ends, really  :P
19 - Batman and the Signal - Yawn
20 - Damage - Yep, a comic even below Action in my eyes. Wow, that was rough. DC's Hulk without the charm  :D :D

I really am waiting until they are done, but I am looking forward to getting into the following DC mini's and hope to see them on the list next time around -

The Demon: Hell is Earth
Deadman
Black Lightning
Batman: Creature (or Creatures ..??) of the Night
Batman: White Knight
Mera: Queen of Atlantis (spoilers for Aquaman, yeha?  :D :D :D)
Ragman

Hope they are all winners. I know Jeff is diggin on the Deadman one. Hope the rest are just as good or at least interesting.
 ;D


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on February 19, 2018, 03:31:44 PM
I just finished latest Detective 974.  This is my #1 now.  And yes Perry, it is a tragic tragic end but so well written.  Actually stirred up emotions for me which comics rarely do anymore.


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on February 19, 2018, 07:20:46 PM
It is good, I just ... I don't know ... the Batwoman thing kinda got to me. I think they may be going down a road they may regret with her.

Which I guess is better, actually, than just another "Bat".

Infact, Hell, I convinced myself ... now I am hoping for it.
 ;D


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on February 20, 2018, 06:37:44 PM
Super Sons is canceled after issue #16
 >:( >:( >:( >:(

And Sorry, Jeff. Tynion leaving Detective as well
 >:(


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jimmy T on February 20, 2018, 07:24:48 PM
DAMMIT


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Perry on February 21, 2018, 09:19:36 AM
As for Super Sons ... I am hoping, that maybe, they are just changing the name? Maybe? Hopefully?


Title: Re: Ranking the Rebirth
Post by: Jeff on February 21, 2018, 10:27:04 AM
Super Sons is canceled after issue #16
 >:( >:( >:( >:(

And Sorry, Jeff. Tynion leaving Detective as well
 >:(

Ironically I had decided to drop Super Sons and didn't pick up this weeks issue.  Makes me wonder if I should go ahead and finish out the series.  Hmmmm.  Four more issues?  Yeah, I can afford to finish it out.

Bummed about Tynion leaving Detective.  I hate to lose my favorite DC title.  But I'll with hold judgement until I see who the new team is.