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Title: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on June 09, 2016, 08:08:26 PM
Yes, I know there is already an "Action Comics" thread below, but as this is essentially DC Rebirth time, I wanted a fresh thread.
 ;D

Loved what I saw ... even though I am confused as hell as to what the hell I did see.

I tried to read that Superman #52 (that we were suppose to read before Rebirth) but as that was part 8 of a run, I truly only skimmed through it so that may be why I am not sure what is going on. I also haven't read Superman, other than Batman/Superman in awhile, so that may put me even further behind the eight ball, but ... yeah. I'm kinda lost.

Possible Spoilers about all things Superman below, including this issue !!!!

WARNING !!!!

So which Superman is dead? The new 52 Superman? And how did Superman get a kid? And is this pre-52 Superman we have now, with Lois and the kid? And if so how is there a Clark also running around?

Okay, if I can get those answered by Jimmy, our resident Super-Man king, I may like this even more than I did, but I did really like this. Even if I didn't know why.
 :D

Think I may keep this one on the read list for awhile. This may be good

7 outta 10 comics that could easily have been scored an 8 had I known what the hell I was reading
 :D


Title: Re: REBIRTH - ACTION COMICS
Post by: Jimmy T on June 09, 2016, 08:13:11 PM
The New 52 Superman is the one who died. His powerless nature was cured by some weird super science of Kryptonite with Vandal Savage machnery. But, he still got Green-K poisoning and died.

The Superman in there is from Convergence-he's "my" Superman from a Pre New 52 world where Lois and Clark's relationship got further ahead (that we didn't get to see) and they had a baby in Convergance land. When that mega arc ended, various characters got shunted to different arenas or worlds. Hence why Parallax Hal is running around too! This Clark and Lois went to New 52 earth, which took the place of theirs, and tried to live on in ignominy, but FAther Superman was eventually drawn out.

As to WHO this Clark Kent is....that is the mystery! Read issue 2 and more, I guess!! ;)


Title: Re: REBIRTH - ACTION COMICS
Post by: Perry on June 09, 2016, 10:06:36 PM
Okay, thanks for all that. It sure helps as I darn sure couldn't read Convergence so I missed all that went on there.

Cool, okay, yeah, I like it
(not liking the Super-son thing as I would rather he be from a different world as well instead of having the true Superman kicking out a kid, but isn't a deal breaker)
Thanks again
 :)


Title: Re: REBIRTH - ACTION COMICS
Post by: Jimmy T on June 10, 2016, 07:28:19 AM
Well, it's not really a spoiler anymore; there's been a Lois and Clark 8 issue mini series with the son there, so I think we can discuss. ;)

That said, this is a weird moment of growing up with the comics.

I, obviously, love Superman.

I grew up to watch him marry Lois after dying. This was after reading my mom's Superman comics from the 50s/60s.

So, now that I'm married, and I have a son,...I have no problem with Superman having a kid. It's weird, and to me, that doesn't age him, it makes him more....amazing, I guess. (didnt' want to say 'super' :p )

Now, I'm not saying that this is the right thing for everyone, or the best thing, but if Superman is a devoted husband, loving father, and the greatest hero out there, does that make him any different (in writing) than an officer going out on duty, a firefighter responding to a call, or a marine on tour?

Those seem to be the greatest heroes there.

Just call it a different life perspective now.

and yes, I know the problem children in comics can bring.


Title: Re: REBIRTH - ACTION COMICS
Post by: Perry on June 10, 2016, 12:19:40 PM
Oh for sure. And I don't want my ... "I don't like Superman having kids" thought go further into a declaration that I don't want my heroes being married or having families (while married or not), and you should enjoy Superman having a kid if that is what your vision or history of him gleans (not quite the precise word I want to use, but you get me, right?  ;)), but at the same time, to me, it just doesn't fit. I am not sure why it doesn't. Maybe it is the kids of heroes thing, maybe? Would I care if Peter had a kid (in this universe  ;)), yeah, maybe I would.

Looking further into this now (I mean when you are typing is the best time to go in deep thought about something,. right?  :D), maybe I don't want my heroes, any of them, to have kids. There is something about settling into a life of peace and tranquility that suits a child and his well being and the super hero life doesn't promote that at all. Having a dad (or mom) that goes out and fights super-villains and cosmic deities that make even the most dangerous of jobs seem calm, is not what I think of as giving a child a safe, calm environment to grow. I mean yes, your mom the policeman  could get killed by a criminal, but that is still a tad different than having Doomsday or Kraven hunting you.

Now having the kid be "powered" ... that makes the idea a little easier for me (the child is not as dependent on the care of others in that case) but I don't know. I have to think more on this is guess. I don't mind the marriage or the dating of supers. It is two adults, they can make the choice to live in danger, but for a child to be placed in that ... Yeah, even if Superman is your dad I'm not a fan.

But again, I like Damien, so ... I don't know
 :D



Title: Re: REBIRTH - ACTION COMICS
Post by: Jeff on June 10, 2016, 01:18:11 PM
But again, I like Damien, so ... I don't know
 :D

I think it depends on how they write the kids.  I like Damien as well.  But I hated what they did to Wally West's kids.  I imagine they won't be around for Rebirth and I'm glad. 

I'm ok with Superman having a kid and would like to see how those stories play out.  I think it fits since he's married to Lois and it fits his boy scout persona.  I'd like to see how he deals with things as a father and hope he channels Johnathon Kent.  If his kid has superman like powers it would be interesting to see him raise that kid.  Now if they go down that tired old rabbit hole of making the kid evil - I would hate it.  Slippery slope here I would say.


Title: Re: REBIRTH - ACTION COMICS
Post by: Perry on June 10, 2016, 02:03:25 PM
I agree with both of you guys, Jeff ... even though I am on the opposite side of the thought process and don't agree with you.

Nope, that doesn't make sense at all does it.
 :D :D

I guys I mean to say that I get the reasoning behind WHY you guys like the idea, even if I don't like it ... I can see the reasoning.


Title: Re: REBIRTH - ACTION COMICS
Post by: Jimmy T on June 19, 2016, 05:59:05 AM
Action Comics has me...SUPER-excited! I really liked the first issue out, kicking things off in a big, fast way (I think the ending is obviously set up by Luthor to cement his hero-ship), and I like, for the first time in what seems like a long time, a Superman taking charge of everything (even if he did in a hot headed way!)

I hope with Jon that they don't do any typical trope tv/comic thing-go evil, make it so he doesn't listen to his parents, flies off the handle. I mean, c'mon, there are so many good children who listen to their parents and are well-behaved; but they still just make mistakes or have accidents because they don't know better. I'd rather see a child written like that.


Title: Re: REBIRTH - ACTION COMICS
Post by: Perry on June 19, 2016, 09:15:23 AM
Amen !!


Title: Re: REBIRTH - ACTION COMICS
Post by: Perry on June 23, 2016, 08:01:58 AM
First of all, thinking that maybe Jeff should move this to the team thread as well (like Detective) as it appears to not just be Luthor, but a Luthor and Superman book? Maybe?

Issue #958 (slight spoilers ... maybe?)

The issue was fine, still ramping up the mystery of that Clark Kent guy, but I just have to ask ... Is Doomsday and Luthor (and maybe not even Luthor now) the only foe(s) Superman has anymore? Every damn time I turn around it is Superman vs Zod (thank God he isn't here ... yet?) or Superman vs Doomsday. I am tired of this damn alien. I never liked him to begin with, even as a non-fan of Superman, but now that I am trying, actually trying to read Superman and all his glory, I have to go through yet another freaking Doomsday fight!!!! Again?

Where's Metallo
Where's Parasite
Where's Toyman
Where's Banshee - I absolutely love the looks of that character. LOVE IT. Though the last time I saw her she was in Gail Simone's Secret Six ... yeah, I may be behind. But maybe she has not shown up yet? I do sometimes forget that this is a new universe so some characters may still yet to be introduced.

Anyway, the book was fine, nothing great but nothing egregious (other than Doomsday). Just an average book with some great art that pushes past the 5 mark. Plus, I am enjoying the tease about this Kent guy so it gets another point for that.

7 outta 10 times we would see Doomsday as the villain if DC had six titles of Superman
 :-\
 >:(


Title: Re: REBIRTH - ACTION COMICS
Post by: Jeff on June 23, 2016, 04:36:31 PM
Should I be getting this?  I really hate Doomsday.


Title: Re: REBIRTH - ACTION COMICS
Post by: Perry on June 23, 2016, 06:43:21 PM
Should I be getting this?  I really hate Doomsday.

Well that's a toughie. Your asking a non-Superman fan who is trying to get into Superman who is also not a fan of Doomsday.  ;D

The only thing I am really intrigued about is a spoiler, so be careful, but ...
In this comic we have Superman (the original from our pre-Nu52 universe), Luthor, suddenly trying to be Superman and then a Clark Kent. A Clark Kent that has no powers ... or at least thinks he has no powers. Even Jimmy, who I guess knows that Clark is (or was before he died) Superman, keeps asking him to change into the Man of Steel and help fight Doomsday and this Clark is just saying "What the hell are you talking about? I can't fly"

That has me a little curious to say the least, but other than that ... ?? Well the art is clean, decent.  ;D

As this is Action Comics and thus has a certain character at its core, I am just not the one to answer the question you ask, sadly. Maybe Jimmy can say.
No pressure, Jimbo
 ;) :D


Title: Re: REBIRTH - ACTION COMICS
Post by: Jimmy T on July 23, 2016, 08:16:26 AM
Nope, this is currently new to me, as well, so I'm glad for a mystery to follow!!


Title: Re: REBIRTH - ACTION COMICS
Post by: Perry on July 23, 2016, 02:04:09 PM
Well cool. I like it is a mystery all around.


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on August 26, 2016, 05:34:51 AM
Action Comics issue #962

One of the great things I saw in the first couple pages of this issue was the title of this issue had the word "conclusion" in it.
No more Doomsday!!!
:D

This was a great issue for fight fans. Lots of POWS and BAMS and I normally don't get into thos kinds of issues, but it was actually pretty fun, if I am honest. Plus, at the end of the fight, we get a nice little surprise ending that is gonna come back to bite later on.

Pretty fun for this non-Superman fan.

7 outta 10 - Bone injections
 :)


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on October 02, 2016, 09:36:53 AM
Action Comics #964

Just have to say it, just like Detective Comics is more enjoyable than Batman, Action Comics is more enjoyable than Superman. The old school is currently ruling the two DC powerhouse's main titles. But while Detective is doing so by being a good Batman Family book, and not necessarily a "Batman" book, Action Comics is taking the same Superman and giving us better stories.

Even with the dreded "Doomsday" as the main villain opening arc (which wasn't as bad as I had feared, in all honesty), Action Comics is just much more intriguing, much more mysterious, much more fun. Maybe that is why it has constantly been higher than Superman in my Rebirth rankings.
 ;D

Last issue is no exception. There is actually very little story here. Almost seems like a Bendis written book they way this one is stretched out  :D but this issue did have purpose and even though there wasn't a lot going on, we get some things settled, like Clark Kent ... for now  :D, and we also get a bit of "wait, wha...?" near the end. And also,
I mean come on, a couple panels dedicated to showing us that the Superman beep watch is play?
Oh yeah!!!
 ;D

Yep, I think if you are gonna pick one "Super" book ... well, you need to make it Super-Woman actually  :D But if you are gonna pick two, then make the second pick Action Comics. A comic even I enjoy!!!
 ;)

(One caveat, last issues Superman, issue #7, was enjoyable as a change of pace, artist fill-in, issue concentrating on the family side of Superman)


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on October 17, 2016, 10:33:09 AM
Action Comics #965

The fascinating thing about this book is not that I am enjoying a Superman based title every two weeks. It is that I look forward to reading this Superman based title so much every two weeks and am kinda saddened when I realized it is not a week it comes out.
 ;D

A very Lois centered issue, nothing wrong with that, as we try to find more and more about the mystery of Clark Kent and she tries to decipher the mysterious code she was sent. Lois turns detective. Yep, me likey.

8 outta 10 Passwords that should contain a number, a symbol, a capital let ...
 :D


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on October 18, 2016, 05:58:16 PM
Through 965:

I'm glad Perry keeps saying the words I want to say, but don't have the articulation to do so right now.

Action is about the 'old guard' Superman, written by old guardian Dan Jurgens...and I'm loving it too!

This guy just feels more like Superman than that Nuguy ever did. Sorry Nudude, but I just didn't always care for a young Superman learning his way and going out as a young fighting buck on the town. Oh, Greg Pak did get the correct spirit of the character in his run, but it still wasn't my Man of Steel.

This guy is.

and suprisingly, I like the aspect of him being married with a kid. it's working (right now). and maybe it always will after this point. I don't know, but for now, it's a good thing!!!

Been some decent art through this, and man, the mystery angle plays are working, and I'm enjoying the slow roll of it here (because, you know, twice monthly ;) )

I think, like Superman, these two books are solid for me now as they focus a bit on the family and personal side of life with Supes, and then go to tell a big story. It's the formula I'm loving.


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on October 28, 2016, 06:17:23 AM
Action Comics #966

I'm somewhat torn on this issue.

First of all the art (by Stephen Segovia ... don't know him) wasn't the greatest. It wasn't horrible, but wasn't the best either. Lots of panels with no backgrounds, which is fine if you are going to spend a lot of time on the art, which isn't evident here, so yeah, sort of middle of the road.

As for the story, other than addressing what that code that Lois had was, it is sorta like just a recap of the last few issues of all the Superman titles, barely moving forward at all.

The saving grace? Two (new) villains that I have never seen making their entrance. Okay, you got me, waiting on next issue.

If it wasn't for that, the points would be lower. Even still, they are not that high.

6 outta 10 last page saves
 :-\


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on November 13, 2016, 07:49:36 PM
I'm glad they're paying the proper lipservice on how to integrate the orignial Lois and Clark back into this world-so that one day it can all be swept under the carpet and forgotten entirely. ;)

And I'm okay with that. At some point, they won't be foreigners to this world, but mostly just the same original people. However...Clark did go from a world where his parents were alive, to one where they are dead. I'd like to see that addressed somewhere. At some point, I'm sure it will all just be further mushed together and made right. ;D


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on November 29, 2016, 07:55:16 AM
Action Comics issues #967 and #968

First off I am not a fan of the art. There is nothing I can put my finger on, but Tyler Kirkham is just not for me. It is fine really and most people will not only be fine with it but may really like it and I get that, but it just doesn't work for my eyes.

The story is okay, I guess. I am just kinda tired of "damaged future" type stories. Between DC's use and Marvel's recent use (in which Superman takes a unintended jab at Marvel for  :D) I am ready to move on from this type of story.

Still, it is okay and has me looking forward to the conclusion ... and not just because it will be the end, but I am honestly interested in it
 ;D

They do set up a story a little bit with Kentł (The third Kent that has no powers ... or Kent cubed  :D) and Jon, so that may be something very interesting too, down the line.

6 outta 10 - gloomy futures
 :-\


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on November 29, 2016, 08:02:08 AM
Wow.  What happened? This was one of your top comics and now it sounds like your ready to drop!   8)


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on November 29, 2016, 08:04:53 AM
No, no, not ready to drop (though I don't think it was ever a "top" book for me, but now I have to go see....
BRB
 :D

EDIT - Okay, wow, it did start at #5 (that is shocking  ;D) but then dropped to #7 on my last edition. I would say that trend continues as I would probably, off my head, drop it another one or two spots.

Still not as bad as a drop yet. My "6" grade is still higher than the average "5" grade, so I still like it, just wasn't wowed by the last couple issue's art or theme.
 :)


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on January 11, 2017, 08:16:14 PM
I think I just read issue 969, and Patrick Zircher is back on art, and me likey! Me likey much!!

This Godslayer must have trained at the same Academy as the Godkiller from Thor's prior run. They hate people with ultimate power so much!! ;)

I do like how this issue did a good little bit of tying things back together with an element from 4 issues ago. Helps to explain more,now, and is a good bit of narrative to make things more cohesive. Kudos.


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on August 11, 2017, 06:45:35 PM
NO discussion here since January? WHAT?! ;)

That said, with 984, and this Revenge arc, I love the 90s feel to this. The Superman Revenge squad, so many of his most powerful enemies, good looking ones too!-I just have fun reading the book.

I know it's not for everyone, but it just sits right for me.


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on August 12, 2017, 03:01:54 AM
NO discussion here since January? WHAT?! ;)

 :)
Right?

But ... as I dropped it a few months back and couldn't say how it is going now, man am I glad you are getting some good Supe stories, buddy!
 8)


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on August 24, 2017, 07:00:42 PM
985

A good call back to the Machinist (even if I hated that Romita drawn story), but I'm glad it's not an element to be forgotten in this new lore. Always just love watching Lex and Supes have to team up. I almost like it more when Lex does show up Superman to prove the Man of Steel wrong about what he thinks-even though Superman is kind of right though too!!


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on August 25, 2017, 05:22:13 AM
I need to get caught up on this before the big Doomsday Clock storyline starts.


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on September 06, 2017, 01:01:13 PM
So the last issue I read was 972.  And I went ahead and dropped the title for cost reasons.

Now, of course, I'm all interested in this Mr. Oz arc that started in 988 which will lead up to his identity reveal.

So my question is - should I pick back up at 973 and get caught up?  or should I just start at 988 and read forward through this arc?  I will likely stop again afterwards but who knows.  I'm fickle.

EDIT - oh yeah - I'll pick up Doomsday Clock as well.  Aaargh!  Decisions!


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on September 06, 2017, 01:47:23 PM
I stopped reading this as I wasn't enjoying it. I can find out who is who later.
 ;D
But I do plan on reading Doomsday Clock


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on September 11, 2017, 05:54:26 PM
So the last issue I read was 972.  And I went ahead and dropped the title for cost reasons.

Now, of course, I'm all interested in this Mr. Oz arc that started in 988 which will lead up to his identity reveal.

So my question is - should I pick back up at 973 and get caught up?  or should I just start at 988 and read forward through this arc?  I will likely stop again afterwards but who knows.  I'm fickle.

EDIT - oh yeah - I'll pick up Doomsday Clock as well.  Aaargh!  Decisions!

Jeff....

with all you have to read, I think you will be just fine picking up and going. It's Jurgens, he writes well enough in flashback talk or conversation to get you caught up. Why stress about reading catch up books when all you want to read is Doomsday Clock? ;)


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on September 13, 2017, 07:05:11 PM
Issue 987

Jumped straight to this and I'm pretty disappointed in the reveal.  Is it a fake out?


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on September 14, 2017, 02:25:01 AM
Probably.
 :)


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on September 14, 2017, 05:24:41 PM
Issue 987

Jumped straight to this and I'm pretty disappointed in the reveal.  Is it a fake out?


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 >:( >:( >:( >:( :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-X :-X :-X :-X


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on September 17, 2017, 09:19:23 AM
This post will be edited, as I come up with ways to say things I want in review.

But according to Dan Jurgens, and with talks to Johns, this is the real deal. Not a fake out.

...grr....you can't go back from this...


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on September 17, 2017, 10:03:22 AM
This post will be edited, as I come up with ways to say things I want in review.

But according to Dan Jurgens, and with talks to Johns, this is the real deal. Not a fake out.

...grr....you can't go back from this...

Yeah or forward for me.  I'm not picking up the rest of this.


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on September 19, 2017, 07:16:16 AM
Man, I am now very conflicted ... For one thing I see Supes is teaming up with Booster Gold soon for a few issues (#994 and #995 ... at least) and they are trying to find out if Oz's identity is actually his identity. I would like to read that. HOWEVER , I also see that the art will be done by Brett Booth, or at least he is co-credited with art duties.
 ::)

Maybe it's only a page or two or maybe it is time to jump back on Titans?


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on September 19, 2017, 07:24:25 AM

Maybe it's only a page or two or maybe it is time to jump back on Titans?

Not if the solicits I've seen for that thing are true.   >:(


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on September 27, 2017, 05:40:33 PM
On the Mr. Oz revelation:

You can't go back from this. This is integral to the Superman mythos. A father so loved his son, that he sent him away to a planet where he would get wonderful new powers. Now, that very man, after 85 years, is a <villain>?

I don't like this at all. At first blush. I won't scream it to the heavens that this is wrong and awful before I've read it. that's wrong and poor of me to do so.

But they have to write this amazingly so. Better than any other Superman story over the last decade. It used to be that Uncle Ben, Bucky, and the Waynes stayed dead. Well, they brought Bucky back...but they made us believe it. Really did. I don't think it needed to be said that Krypton and the Els should also always stay dead.

There is the angle to this that I'm...I'm tired of the Superman villains always rising from his own..blood and family. Eradicator, Cyborg Superman (Okay, yes I do like them, but, again, do they ALWAYS have to come from the House of El?), the other Cyborg Superman who is his uncle. The inclusion of Blanque was actually a really cool and deadly villain that I think I could fit into Superman stories again and again. Same with Manchester Black.

I had a better argument for this, but I"m tired. I've lost it.

I'm reading it. But I'm more than worried, and a bit sure, that this will be disappointing.





Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on April 24, 2018, 12:19:23 PM
So I must have hit the wrong thread when they next to each other, but here is what I TRIED to post in this thread.
 :D

Action Comics #1000

What a spectacular event. A comic that has been published for 80 years (essentially).

My thoughts on this book will be ... a lot different than most. There is a lot of love (deserving) in here, but a most the stories, and there are a lot, tend to be the kind of stories that made me not like Supes in the first place. There is a, and I hate to use this term as it has been overused so many times, but there is a Boy Scout aspect here that I just don't overly enjoy.

Now that makes this the perfect issue for the character. It celebrates the core of this iconic character to the utmost and makes Superman fans or even comic fans such as myself, really appreciate this character. No, I didn't love the stories here, but man I did respect the love that went into them.

This book is worth the money. Period

You get 10 short Superman stories (which I will try not to spoil, but still read only if you don't care -
1 - Jurgens doing a story where all the DC characters a planning a celebration of Supes
2 - Tomasi/Gleason doing a great history/time story
3 - Wolfman/Curt Swan doing a hostage story (which the ink made Swans not look like Swan  >:()
4 - Levitz/Neal Adams with a story about chess ... that I did not like at all
5 - Johns-Donner/Coipel with a great homage to the first Action cover  :D Liked this, except the ending
6 - Snyder/Albuquerque and a young Clark and young Lex story that should have hit, but not for me
7 - King/Mann with my favorite story with Supes and the cemetery where Martha and Jon (their name changed in #158  ;)
8 - Simonson/Ordway and CLark's 5 minute deadline for Perry
9 - Dini/Garcia-Lopez with my 2nd favorite story featuring an alien we all know
10- Meltzer/Cassady and a too long short story about a bullet
11 - Bendis/Lee - Whoah boy, Bendis is here. :-\ Okay, in all fairness all these other stories where done in one while this one is more of a sneak peak or just the intro to what Bendis has planned. And they didn't do him any help putting this story in the back, after all those other ones, but I was less than thrilled by what I read. This new villain, whose design I hate, may end up being "cool" or worthy, but not here. Not yet. I did like the addition of another Super and hope that remains the case, but ... no ... I am not going to pass judgement yet. Maybe it is better I wasn't blown away by the first glance of Bendis with Supes. Nowhere to go but up now and hey, if this IS what will be the new Superman stuff, I can save some time by reading more of the stuff I need to catch up on
 ;D

In closing, while this isn't a book I would usually praise, I think everyone should have a copy of this book. It is worth the price if you are even slightly a fan of Superman and if you are not ... this caped dude deserves some respect, so buy this book
 ;D  


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on April 24, 2018, 01:53:03 PM
I got it digitally and also ordered a hard copy to be deliverd.  I agree it's one every collector will want in his collection.

I still need to read it though.   ;D


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on May 09, 2018, 11:36:51 AM
In randomness, i am only missing 81 issues between 587 and 1000.

That's not saying all that is gold (the 41 issue gap came with electrical Superman blue, and then blue and red as well.)

Just saying; he's my guy. ;)

I'm almost done with 1000 too! Super hard to read 80 pages in a row with small children around!


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on May 09, 2018, 02:53:48 PM
That is cool, Jimmy. I think you should still try and fill the gap, regardless. Especially hitting up $1 bins or whatnot. I think that would be a good, inexpensive way to celebrate your love for the guy.
 :)

I will eventually start my FF buying again. I need to get a list of all the issues I need to fill. Well, not gonna fill the first 20 or so, for sure, unless I can get a couple issues that are missing their covers or something  ;D, but I would still like to finish the Bronze Age stuff. Get a nice 1970-1985 or so complete.

...  Super hard to read 80 pages in a row with small children around!

Just wait until you get to that last story. Hahaha, You think it is hard now?
 :D :D


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on May 09, 2018, 07:40:11 PM
I've thought that too, Perry. At a buck an issue, or cheaper sometimes, what's the hurt of getting those issues? Nothing really, because now it's just about the hunt of getting them found!!


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on May 11, 2018, 08:32:17 PM
My boy, Superman!! Love the love for the Last Son. Here's hoping Bendis can deliver even a little.

1 - Dan Jurgens has had nothing but love from me for years and years and years. I was so happy to see him get yet another chance to write Superman again, and to see him be shown so much respect and love for his most recent work.
2 - Tomasi/Gleason did an AWESOME story, going through a multiverse of time with Superman. What a cool story of vignettes. Loved each page
3 - Wolfman/Curt Swan doing a hostage story; just very happy to see the Swan included! That last page, Perry, was a pin up dug out from some vault from many, many years ago.
4 - Levitz/Neal Adams -not very powerful, or hitting, I thought.
5 - Johns-Donner/Coipel with a great homage to the car-loved the story. Great Coipel art with the original design of the suit.
6 - Snyder/Albuquerque and a young Clark and young Lex story that I also didn't find very good.
7 - King/Mann -a sweet story of the end of the world. Very sweet.
8 - Simonson/Ordway and CLark's 5 minute deadline for Perry-Worth the price of admission for Ordway art!! I still so love his art. Man, I could go back and reread all his stuff from COIE on again!!
9 - Dini/Garcia-Lopez -yeah, Jose Garcia Lopez on art!! A greatly fun bit! Glad to include this master!!
10- Meltzer/Cassady-I actually quite liked this story. Cassady on art doesn't hurt. I love me some crazy super power explanations, and well, I can just imagine Clark smiling his way through the ending narration as well.

11 - Bendis/Lee - So, there's a part where I want to hugely judge right away. Tired tropes of writing Superman that I'm bored with:

-an extremely powerful figure utterly whips the crap outta Supes to establish his Bad Assedness Authority
-Big Bad knows all about Supes, and Superman cannot utterly lay a hand on him

& worst of all (and limited to Superman)

-the origin WE THOUGHT WE KNEW IS ALL WRONG.

Please. This is where I judge. This is where I get bored of reading comics. Instead of going forward, moving forward, establishing new ground, the past is retread, retrod, trod over, and trampled underneath this kind of storytelling. I read Bendis' interview where he was sorry about Avengers Dissassembled, where he knew he came in all 'bwahaha, running all over Avengers and just bringing it down into the dirt and bring it back up where I want.' He didn't care for the fans and the love they had with everything going up to that point.
He realizes he was mistaken in how he did it, and doesn't want to repeat it. With Superman meaning so much to so many for so long, he knows he cannot simply break down whatever he wants.

However,....I am not very pleased with this right away. Bendis has no rope to hang himself with me. He's in a position where he's continually trying to dig himself out of the grave where I keep throwing dirt on him.



Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on May 11, 2018, 09:16:02 PM
And in my opinion, that Jim Lee cover looks like crap. It's like someone ghost-drew a Lee cover but didn't have the chops. Hell, it's doesn't even look like the same figure drawing he did for the Bendis story.

And then that's the Action 1000 cover? I may go hunt down the variant i would want.


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on May 12, 2018, 06:30:04 AM
3 - Wolfman/Curt Swan doing a hostage story; just very happy to see the Swan included! That last page, Perry, was a pin up dug out from some vault from many, many years ago.

Oh, Okay. I had heard the entire thing was put together from unfinished Swan panels/pages that were done by him right before the end. "Lost pages" type of thing.

Either way I was saddened by the over inks or the way they chose to ink his stuff. Just barely looked like Swan. Of course if it was more towards/at the end, it is understandable, though still just as sad. (It was like looking at Perez's recent stuff  :'()


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on December 30, 2018, 04:37:53 AM
Well I bet THIS (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/12/29/action-comics-1006-jimmy-olsen-damian-wayne-spoilers/) will only strengthen Jommy's thoughts on Bendis' Superman books
 :D :D :D

I ... I just don't know what to say about this. I hope it is not true, I mean ... really?  :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on December 30, 2018, 06:58:37 AM
Ducking Bendis. ::)

She searches for the perfect mate in Batman... But then schleps down the ladder for a screw with a paperboy?

Lame.


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on March 01, 2019, 08:04:55 PM
Perry - I'm getting interested in Action Comics again for some reason.  Seems like something big is coming out of this storyline.  I stopped reading at #1004 so I've only really missed 4 issues of the Bendis run.

I know you like it.  So convince me to come back.



Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on March 02, 2019, 07:01:26 AM
Hmmmm, well, that is a tough one as after seeing how poorly Superman ended up being, after a continual decline, I don't want to oversell Action.  :D You also kinda know what you are getting as you have read almost as much as I have, I have yet to read the most current issue 1008, so I am only 3 issues ahead of you so I can't push too much more than you already know. As you are aware, the Superman title has more of an "action comics" feel to it, more of a bam/pow comic, in a way, while Action is more of Superman's version of Gotham Central, but inside a newspaper.

There are still Bendis'ism that some hate  ;D, but I don't usually mind most of those. I even enjoy the Bendis speak as I like the way it works the pacing/timing of panels, but hey I am not here to sell you on Bendis, like most, I feel you enjoy some of his stuff while some of it you don't.

I will say that I have enjoyed it even more over the last couple of issues because we are finding out more of the newest threat (the one you should know) and because the art is looking freaking amazing. I always talk about art matching the tone and Steve Epting is perfection here. I had said he is looking his best since his CrossGen Crux work, and I feel that is true, but then again, this also reminds me of the great work he did with Brubaker on Captain America. He is just a great "Street Level" type of artist (and that is the basic idea with Action now) that is works really well.

So yeah, there are things that make me roll my eyes ... like Jimmy Olsen's joke (I hope) about dating Talia, but there is also some good non-cape stuff here. Plus, we are getting ready to have a great confrontation between the DEO/CheckMate/Leviathan that I am eager to read about.

And even though Superman went to shit, I am still reading a Superman book. Me. It helps the book is not JUST about that guy, but still, I am reading a Superman book
 ;D


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on March 02, 2019, 09:15:52 AM

...but there is also some good non-cape stuff here. Plus, we are getting ready to have a great confrontation between the DEO/CheckMate/Leviathan that I am eager to read about.


Yes.  This is exactly what got me interested again.


I feel you enjoy some of his stuff while some of it you don't.


You are correct - love his Jessica Jones, Ultimate Spider-Man (both Parker and Morales), and even liked his New Avengers.  But Guardians of the Galaxy? ugh.  So he's hit or miss but mostly hit.

Epting on art is definately a plus.  He's good.

I think I'll pick it back up but I'm going to re-read 1001-1004 first just to make sure.


Title: Re: ACTION COMICS - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on March 02, 2019, 01:50:09 PM
I think I'll pick it back up but I'm going to re-read 1001-1004 first just to make sure.

Oh absolutely, give them a read and then decide.  :)