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Title: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on June 01, 2016, 06:12:00 PM
For next week!


Title: Re: REBIRTH - WONDER WOMAN
Post by: Jeff on June 08, 2016, 10:25:37 AM
I liked it.  Rucka is gonna knock it home with Wonder Woman.  I liked the back and forth between old and new and the conflict it's playing out with Diana.  This is going be a fun journey to follow over the next few months if not longer.


Title: Re: REBIRTH - WONDER WOMAN
Post by: Perry on June 09, 2016, 07:22:20 AM
Agree. This is THE Rebirth book so far. From the very first page you get that "Now this is they way this book is suppose to sound" and it doesn't stop until the last page is turned. Damned glad Rucka is back to this title. Man, what a get.

Not much more to say here other than I liked the first part of of the books art better than the last half. But would have still enjoyed having just one artist instead of two ... regardless which one it was ... doing the entire thing.

8 outta 10 talking ropes
 ;) ;D



Title: Re: REBIRTH - WONDER WOMAN
Post by: Jeff on June 22, 2016, 08:40:48 PM
Issue 1

Off to a good start!  One could say this issue is slow as its setting up the arc.  But the ending cliff hanger was fun.  Going to be weird having this story arc only in the odd numbered issues while a Year One story arc runs through the even numbered issues.  It's an interesting experiment which I'm interested in seeing how it goes.  I kind of like having it all contained in one title instead of multiple Wonder Woman books.  Keeping an open mind.


Title: Re: REBIRTH - WONDER WOMAN
Post by: Perry on June 26, 2016, 06:57:44 AM
Yeah, in that way, writing like that, it is like getting two Wonder Woman books a month ... written by Rucka, so ... yeah!!!
 :D

I also enjoyed this set-up issue (another great example of why all the solo Rebirth #1's should have been a zero issue. I mean if you're gonna use the second issue, or first really, as the setup ...  ;D).

I was really impressed with the art here. Sort of a mix between Darick Robertson and Richard Corben. I could really see the styles of each on one page. I was worried about this artist, as the name didn't ring a bell for me, but I think this particualr story is in fine hands. I already knew Nicola Scott would be okay, but couldn't quite place this artist.

Of course, with Nicola doing Wonder Woman, and I just thought about this, I wonder what that will do to Rucka and Scott's Image book, the Black Magick series? I have to see if that was just a mini or is that on hold now. Sadly, I don't remember it being a mini, which means ... well, poo. If they are both on Wonder Woman now, the Outlook doesn't look great!!!
 :-\


Title: Re: REBIRTH - WONDER WOMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on June 29, 2016, 07:14:11 PM
I Love Love LOVED this first issue!!

Diana as a creature of myth, whose truths can change based on who's telling the story is a great angle, and I can't wait to read this!! Thank you Greg Rucka! So glad DC sucked you off back, to write for DC again!!!


Title: Re: REBIRTH - WONDER WOMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on July 04, 2016, 01:36:14 PM
Still really onboard this book after reading issue #1. Glad to see Rucka back, and man, Liam Sharpe looks amazing!!


Title: Re: REBIRTH - WONDER WOMAN
Post by: Jeff on July 13, 2016, 05:49:45 PM
Issue 2

Damn you Greg Rucka.  Damn you for making me love the retelling of an origin story.  Damn you...and bless you!


Title: Re: REBIRTH - WONDER WOMAN
Post by: Perry on July 20, 2016, 04:13:02 AM
As much of an ass that he is about his covers (having Cho fired and all for what seems like ... well ... nothing THAT bad and what did you expect when you hire Frank Cho??) he can certainly write this title.

The only bad thing I can say is that I think I am more excited about WW year one than I am about the regular story.
 ;D


Title: Re: REBIRTH - WONDER WOMAN
Post by: Jeff on July 20, 2016, 06:40:01 AM
What happened with Frank Cho?  I hadn't heard that between him and Rucka.


Title: Re: REBIRTH - WONDER WOMAN
Post by: Perry on July 20, 2016, 01:19:29 PM
Rucka got him fired from doing the alternate WW covers, because ... well, no-one really knows for sure, but (Again, conjecture ... other than Cho's side of the argument where he says all this) ... Rucka got Cho fired because Rucka didn't like the way he was sexualizing WW.

HERE (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/07/14/frank-cho-walks-off-wonder-woman-after-sixth-cover/) is more on it, and I just have to ask ... isn't that where her bikini suit line has always been? I mean, if they/Rucka is mad about showing panties ... I just don't know what to say.  Rucka and CHo don't get along from Cho's enjoyment of showing women in a way Rucka doesn't like, so I was shocked to find the two were even on the same book anyway.

Eh, I couldn't care less about variant covers usually anyway, so I have no dog in this fight ... other than to say I think Rucka was a dick here.
 :D :D :D :D
But hey, he has control so it's his way. Can't fault that.


Title: Re: REBIRTH - WONDER WOMAN
Post by: Jimmy T on July 20, 2016, 07:48:10 PM
Also, this is all Cho's talk here as well. Nothing from Rucka (unless that's a link to something I haven't seen yet).

Also, fuck Frank Cho. He's a mostly shitty guy, from continuing to throw that Magera Spider-woman pose at everyone he can, claim himself to be an "artiste", then get haughty when his lame ass pin ups of t'n'a get editorial direction.

HE says it's all Rucka. Rucka has proven himself as a fantastic talent.

Cho has proven that he can't do backgrounds, is only good a pin up shots, and he only has one woman form in his stable.

Fuck Frank Cho.


Title: Re: REBIRTH - WONDER WOMAN
Post by: Perry on July 21, 2016, 06:55:46 AM
 :D :D :D :D

YEAH !!!!

 :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: REBIRTH - WONDER WOMAN
Post by: Perry on August 03, 2016, 09:08:39 AM
Wonder Woman #3

Focusing on Cheetah with this issue, a character I never really liked (is she really a threat?), I found a little conection with the character here. Not a personal one, but a connection that made me understand the character a little more. I still feel she is weak as a threat, even though she seems to be able to handle Wonder Woman, but I grew to like her a little more. Heck, this issue was pretty emotional and that really opened up the character I think. The art, while I am not a huge fan overall (though it isn't "bad"), was perfect for facial expressions. I mean I felt Cheetahs pain when I looked at her. A fantastic job, there.

With issue #4 hitting next week, 8/10/2016, and it being concentrated on Diana's past, it is gonna feel like forever when we get back to this story. A very odd side effect of a bi-monthly title telling a monthly story. I may try and put this title on a hold for a few, to get a few more issues in the bank before I return. After reading books like Action, Superman, Batman, Detective, etc .. and getting very used to those stories being continued after only two weeks, this month long wait, a normal occurrence for almost every title in the Comic'verse, seems like forever!!!!!

Although it is gonna be hard to sit on a good book, a very good book in-fact, I may not be able to do it.
 :D


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on August 14, 2016, 10:16:52 PM
Issue #4

A great issue that finally puts Diana upfront. Almost seemed a tad rushed but we all know the battle competition story far too well anyway.
 :D
I loved every page


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on August 15, 2016, 06:33:15 PM
Issues 3 and 4

I loved each issue. This is essentially getting two different Rucka WW titles each month! I love it! The art is fantastic between Liam Sharpe and Nicola Scott. I'm just jazzed to read each and every issue. Not much more to say. Looking forward to how all the origins and different stories are going to be rectified by Rucka.


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on October 18, 2016, 06:25:48 PM
Is there anything much else I need to say than I love this title? And that' its great? And that I love how Rucka gives artists' breaks by doing the one off story with Barbara Ann so his regular story tellers won't be interrupted? This should be the format for the writers and artists to follow to give us the best product they can!!


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on November 13, 2016, 07:52:40 PM
Veronica Cale returns!! I only truly remember her very well from when George Perez was writing and draawing the book-in 1986!! ;D

Issue #9

Great, slow down issue, which spun up all kinds of wheels to get more things turning and working in the title.

I love how star struck, smitten, and utterly in love Steve Trevor is. And it doesn't matter they he may never truly have Diana to his own, but no matter what, he does have her love-and that may be just enough for him. She's a goddess! Perhaps all you can do is put her on a pedestal in your thoughts and love her from affar. And Rucka hits that so well.


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on January 11, 2017, 08:14:05 PM
So I read 10 & 11 in a huge push 3 months ago, so I'm now onto

Issue #12

I liked! Really dig Nicola Scott making Diana a young woman! She honestly just looks young!! Bravo for that!!

I won't lie, I chuckled at the
mighty goofy 'mystery solved' that said that SAERS group can be respelled as ARES!! That's our enemy! What was that; a Scooby Doo exposition solving of the case?! LOL  :D :D

Ah, comics; gotta love'em!  ;D


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on January 22, 2017, 12:14:41 PM
I love the twist Rucka has thrown here. I love that it can make some awesome sense, and honor everything in this title. I'm glad I never had to read any of the Finchs' stuff to get back into WW's title.  :D


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on January 23, 2017, 01:46:42 PM
Need to catch up is what I need to do.


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on March 24, 2017, 07:14:06 AM
I love the twist Rucka has thrown here. I love that it can make some awesome sense, and honor everything in this title. I'm glad I never had to read any of the Finchs' stuff to get back into WW's title.  :D

You aint kidding, buddy.
Love how this "Year One" stuff ties in so deeply to the "current day" situations. Great stuff. And the end of issue #19  :o :o Sweet  Hell, can't wait to see issue #21 now, an entire month away.
Man, I hate this Year One and Current Day stuff
 :D

Seriously, yeah, bring on issue #20 and #21 as I am loving this book!!!

9 outta 10 - bracelets that can stop bullets!!!!
 ;) :o ;)


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on April 13, 2017, 02:24:13 PM
Well shit. Right after I post about Pries staying on Deathstroke, it looks like I will be saving even more time dropping Wonder Woman. with issue #25
CRAP (http://www.cbr.com/greg-rucka-leaves-wonder-woman/)


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on April 13, 2017, 07:21:53 PM
Well shit. Right after I post about Pries staying on Deathstroke, it looks like I will be saving even more time dropping Wonder Woman. with issue #25
CRAP (http://www.cbr.com/greg-rucka-leaves-wonder-woman/)


Well that sucks.


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on July 01, 2017, 11:54:02 AM
And, so it comes to an end.

#25

What another great run by Rucka. Can you believe he first wrote Diana back in 2005? What a continuing long career!

I will love Azzarello's run for most of my years. What an imaginative, creative look at the gods and Diana's life. So very wonderfully (heh) and magically done. All should read it because it's a fantastic written story.

But I'm glad to have Steve Trevor back in Diana's life (since that was so changed by Perez's story after COIE.

Etta Candy black? To be honest, this would probably be akin to changing....Flash Thompson into an Asian man? Perhaps, but maybe not. It's hard to divorce myself from how influential characters are beyond the fanbase of the character. I mean, my friends' who never really read Spidey, let alone care about him, wouldn't give a rip about Flash's heritage. Now, Spidey fans are, and would be. Would longer WW fans than me be up in arms about Etta? Can't say.

But I really, REALLY want to reread these 2 separate stories in the worst way!!


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on July 03, 2017, 07:51:49 PM
#26 previews;

Oh man, you see this art? It looks like a really weak Francis Manapul. I'll speak frankly; I don't feel this is the immediate art direction you go with the art team after an amazing run by Rucka/Sharpe and the movie either.


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on July 04, 2017, 03:53:24 AM
Yep, it is a combination Manapul/Manga style art. I hate when artists throw in those "expression Lines" outside of the faces they are drawing. Those lines around the nose or eye that tells the reader the character is "shocked" or "scared". Look at the boy in the first two pages and the "attacker" in the second page HERE (http://www.cbr.com/wonder-woman-26-4/).

Ugh

I think DC is pushing the fact that the writer is a well respected woman more than the art here, sadly.

Of course she is only on for an arc and then James Robinson takes over and his arc will delve into Wonder Woman's 'brother'. And while I want to read about that, I am still stepping away from W.W for a few. I need to drop titles when I can


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on August 24, 2017, 07:02:04 PM
Crap, it's still 4 more issues until Robinson comes on board.

...do I drop a book for 4 issues?

Thinking about it.

I don't hate it, and I can read it. But man, there doesn't seem to be a lot to bring me to love the issue each month either.


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on August 25, 2017, 05:25:43 AM
If it wasn't following Rucka would you be as critical?

I have no stand yet, just seemed like a natural question.


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on August 27, 2017, 06:44:35 PM
If it wasn't following Rucka would you be as critical?

I have no stand yet, just seemed like a natural question.

No, good question.

If it was simply just the title in it's run, I would say that this is the...generalized WW storytelling that occurs by writers without a strong direction of what they'll do for the character. 'Diana reacts this way, so we'll have her react this way. She says these kinds of things, so we'll just spit out something that sounds like that'

It feels like a newb writer getting an assignment on a book that is near to being cancelled. 'Here, don't upset the applecart, but realize what you're writing won't make a difference to anyone either.'

Comparing it to Rucka only makes it look THAT much worse.  8)


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on August 28, 2017, 08:28:11 AM
Looks like James Robinson takes over with issue #31.   What do you think about that?


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on August 28, 2017, 07:02:20 PM
..4 more issues, is what I think.

Do I?

There's a part where I feel bad for my LCS, since they order 3 months ahead of time and save me copies. I mean, I can read it. Not that I love it. But man....4 more issues. ;)


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on August 29, 2017, 02:36:18 AM
I know Robinson is getting a lack of online flack (but who isn't these days in this era of "butt-hurt'dom"?) for his, or the editors, idea to make the story about
Diana's brother.

Enough to get me back on? Maybe, but I have been battling that point with myself for awhile. Depends on the art I think
 :-\


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on September 27, 2017, 05:43:43 PM
The last issue of this arc made me question this, and I think the comic got it wrong:

This gov't project got Diana to sit down and force a hypodermic needle into her.

Um...she's bulletproof. She's nigh undestructible. The Bracers allow her to deflect at her choosing. consider who she fights and what damage she takes, there's no way a needle breaks the skin. Then again, the matter of her invulnerability seems to fluctuate based on the instances.


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on December 04, 2017, 08:06:16 PM
Diana's Brother:

I HATE THIS.

I hate that this happened. HATE HATE HETE it. I mean, okay take away her clay birth, make her an actual child of sex of Zeus and 'lyta, but throw in a twin to that story too? UGH. Nope!! Hate it!!! Even discussing it with the wife, who is getting her Master's degree in English and literature thinks it's a dumb idea.

I don't find it good that to make Diana interesting they bring in a twin? That's so damned dumb of them, I think.


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on December 05, 2017, 04:03:19 AM
James Robinson has just not been the same for years. His "biopicomic" aside (Airboy), which I loved, he has been fighting to garner the same "OOOoomph" in my eyes he once had. Not sure why. It all can't be from his marriage break-up a couple years ago ... but .... maybe ...
 :-[
Hope he recovers. His Starman was so good.



Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Gay Titan on January 20, 2018, 05:19:50 AM
Diana's Brother:

I HATE THIS.

I hate that this happened. HATE HATE HETE it. I mean, okay take away her clay birth, make her an actual child of sex of Zeus and 'lyta, but throw in a twin to that story too? UGH. Nope!! Hate it!!! Even discussing it with the wife, who is getting her Master's degree in English and literature thinks it's a dumb idea.

I don't find it good that to make Diana interesting they bring in a twin? That's so damned dumb of them, I think.

Just picked up issue #38 and wondered who/how Diana had a brother. He's lame character that needs either killed off or retconned out of existence. But I am LOVING this version of Silver Swan!


Title: Re: WONDER WOMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on January 29, 2018, 09:08:20 PM
Diana's Brother:

I HATE THIS.

I hate that this happened. HATE HATE HETE it. I mean, okay take away her clay birth, make her an actual child of sex of Zeus and 'lyta, but throw in a twin to that story too? UGH. Nope!! Hate it!!! Even discussing it with the wife, who is getting her Master's degree in English and literature thinks it's a dumb idea.

I don't find it good that to make Diana interesting they bring in a twin? That's so damned dumb of them, I think.

Just picked up issue #38 and wondered who/how Diana had a brother. He's lame character that needs either killed off or retconned out of existence. But I am LOVING this version of Silver Swan!

The retcon cannot happen fast enough for me.