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Title: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on June 01, 2016, 06:07:38 PM
Haven't read it yet, but here is my placeholder  ;D

EDIT - Will hopefully read tonight


Title: Re: REBIRTH - BATMAN
Post by: Jeff on June 01, 2016, 09:13:53 PM
Just thought I'd repost what I said in the Top of the Stack thread.

Batman: Rebirth was pretty good.  Just a setup issue and not near as "Wow" as last weeks DC Universe Rebirth.  I did see the ad for the upcoming All Star Batman coming in August.  Man, I'm torn on that.  Love Snyder.  JRJR on art?  Not so much.  >:(


Title: Re: REBIRTH - BATMAN
Post by: Perry on June 03, 2016, 08:08:57 AM
Finally had a chance to read this puppy and I agree with Jeff.

A decent start but no real meat, other than Bats bringing in Duke (from the WE ARE ROBIN series) as a new trainee/side-kick ... which is pretty cool. I wonder what his name will be as Bat's came right out and said "I don't want another Robin". With that yellow costume with bat emblems ... hard to say.

Over all, with the Calendar Man main plot ... including a very interesting tweek to Julian Day, this seemed very much like an Annual instead of a Rebirth (which is basically a "0" issue) and that is fine. I didn't need to be brought up to speed with Bats and I think the majority of the people will get what's going on easily enough, though some older fans may not like the new Calendar Man (I am not one of those. I like this ... change  ;) ;D).

The art was pretty darn nice looking. I will say that. Janin brings that beautiful look that wowed me in Justice League Dark over to this book and my eyes are all the happier for it. I hope Finch, who is doing the first arc (I guess), isn't gonna hog all the art duties and my boy Janin comes back soon. Man I love his close-ups.

Anyway, a very good one-shot that was the brightest of the week for me and while I didn't know Snyder was co-writing this until I opened the book (and man can you see his influence here), I am looking forward to seeing what Tom King does on his own with my favorite DC character. 

a solid 7.5 outta 10 seasonal changes
 ;)


Title: Re: REBIRTH - BATMAN
Post by: Jeff on June 03, 2016, 08:42:01 AM
My only complaint, if I had one, would be that after the big reveal at the end of DC Universe Rebirth I was hoping for further development with what Batman found behind his Dad's letter.


Title: Re: REBIRTH - BATMAN
Post by: Jeff on June 15, 2016, 02:40:45 PM
Batman #1

Not sure whether or not this is going to keep me interested.  This story wasn't bad and acts as sort of a setup issue, but after reading Snyder's Batman for so long the voices of the characters don't feel right.  It's probably going to be hard to live up to Snyder's run but this is an honest try.

I think it's worthy of a first arc try so I'll pick up the next issue.  I like the ending surprise EXCEPT for....

The names of the characters.  Gotham and Gotham Girl?  Ugh.  That's terrible.

One of the weaker Rebirth comics this week.


Title: Re: REBIRTH - BATMAN
Post by: Perry on June 16, 2016, 06:38:02 AM
I like the ending surprise EXCEPT for....

The names of the characters.  Gotham and Gotham Girl?  Ugh.  That's terrible.

 :D Not a fan, huh? Well it is an odd choice, but I am thinking there is a reason for that ... I sure hope so but it doesn't hit me as bad as it did you, but I really enjoy the meta of Gotham City being an aspect in anyway.

Although truthfully, had it been
"Metropolis or Star City Lad" I may have the same feelings as you
:D

One of the weaker Rebirth comics this week.

I feel something else, and I'm not just talking about the letdown that was Titans - Rebirth (again, not bad, just a nothing book, really). And maybe it is just due to my Batman love, I will admit that, but there is a structure here to this writing that I really enjoy. Yes, this issue was nothing more than an over long action sequence  :D, but the dialog and tone just fit Batman.

Was I blown away, no, but I enjoyed it.

I hope it turns around for ya, but I know sometimes we just don't bond well with certain things. I can sure relate. Glad you're giving it time.

Maybe I should follow that methodology as well and at least try Superman #1?
 :-\
(Man that Gleason art, though ... scares me)


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on August 11, 2016, 07:06:38 PM
No post since issue 1?  Does that mean it died for you Perry?

Issue 4

This title got better for me.  I'm hoping for a little more...
Psycho Pirate and would love to see him in a stronger arc here.

I think I'm willing to go through a second arc with this title.  It has potential.


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on August 12, 2016, 05:08:57 AM
No post since issue 1?  Does that mean it died for you Perry?

No, no  :). I just have not read this title since issue #1  ;D It is on my "Weekly Reader" for this week, but came close to wait until issue 6 and read the remaining five, but I just can't wait that long. Will read issues 2, 3 and 4 this week.
 :)


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on August 21, 2016, 06:49:57 AM
So I finally finished my Bat issues, read 2-5 over the last couple days or so, and yeah, I liked it ... over-all.

I still don't feel that King has Batman's voice, he just says some stuff or does some stuff that I feel Batman just wouldn't say or do. Like putting
Alfred in harms way against a Superman level opponent
for one
 ::)

Still, I am liking this tile for the most part and really loving King's version of Alfred (I hope he gets his own arc soon).

Interested to see what happens next.

Issue 4

This title got better for me.  I'm hoping for a little more...
Psycho Pirate and would love to see him in a stronger arc here.


I was right there with ya buddy, and they kinda rushed that part right out of the title, didn't they? Maybe King brings it back around the next arc when dealing with Gotham Girl? Maybe?
 :-\


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on August 21, 2016, 05:49:01 PM
Not a bad end to the arc but I'm wanting a little more.  Can't put my finger on what that it is but it seems it just needs a little something to be a great comic.

Looking forward to the next arc to see if it finds this thing I can not think of.   ;D


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on October 23, 2016, 09:06:42 AM
Issue #9

Okay, okay, we're getting somewhere. A set-up issue, for sure, but one that has me really excited.

Question and last page spoiler, so don't look if you haven't read the issue ... 
how did the title Catwomen end? I thought under the Nu52 she was a "good guy", well you know what I mean, as good as she can be being a bad guy  ;D. Has this been wiped away for this Rebirth or was there a "lock her up" moment prior to this in the Nu52?

Also, and another spoiler, though not as profound ... except for me and a few others ....
Saturn Girl still locked up? and in Arkham? What the What!?!?!?
Oh man, Oh man, Oh man....  :)

Now this title has stepped up. Still, like Jeff said, something missing, but I am hoping King has found his legs now. But we will see in two or three more issues.

7 outta 10 total inmates
 :)


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on November 03, 2016, 07:45:18 AM
 :'(

Batman Issue #10

As a reminder, I started my last post, about issue #9, in this manner - "Okay, okay, were getting somewhere".  Yeah, that is what I said, but now I just want that "somewhere" to be anywhere but here. I did not enjoy this issue. In fact I came downright close to hating this issue. No, I take that back, I did hate this issue. What in the hell is Tom King doing? This is the same guy that brought us Vision? That brought us Omega Men? I say nay, it can't be. That guy, that Tom King could write his ass off. This Tom King ... well ... it is like he never read a Batman comic in his life.

I have been struggling with this book for a long time, since issue #1 in-fact, and I have tried to remain positive. Yes, there has been things that I have scratched my head over, things I found 100% out of character (like Batman talking about dying with that plane in issue #1) and things that just didn't seem right, but I have stayed on thinking that this genius of a writer knew what he was doing, so, I thought, just let the problems slide as eventually Tom King will right this ship. He will shove all the problems aside and shine down the light that is his creative mind. But no. It is just getting way out of hand now

This is bad. I just can't describe it. While reading this issue I kept hoping for a robot to be shown dressed as Batman, or some something other than Batman but I was not given that relief. Is this Tom King's Batman? It just can't be, can it?

I have rated this title in my top ten and all the while admitting it is was only because I was both a fan of the character and of the writer. I can no longer justify that. I just can't. This issue just sums up the nine that had preceded it so perfectly, even as I was trying my best to self comfort, to try and show what good was in the issues and bring them forward while pushing back the bad ... the massive amount bad that has been shown in this title. This one issue is the proof that has opened my eyes. This title is horrible. Please stop this.

All that good art ... wasted.

What in the hell is going on here? Even now I think if this issue was a robot Batman (which would bring out more questions, trust me) this is still just bad.

This hurts to type, and it is mostly for the art that saves some points but ...

3 outta 10 - broken backs
 :'( :'( :'(


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on November 03, 2016, 10:34:20 AM
Glad to hear I'm not the only one on the fence with this one.  Maybe it's editors are the problem at DC.

I'm thinking I'll save my money on this and use it for $5 Batman.


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on November 03, 2016, 11:20:38 AM
Oh if I could only blame it on the editors, but there are subjects, actions and dialog pieces here that just scream writer's fault.

It just boggles my mind it can be this bad, at least this issue, when he has proven to be so good at writing. I understand laying an egg from time to time, all writers have done that, but to be so far off on this book ... man, I hope it is just a dream
 :-\


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on November 04, 2016, 05:19:02 AM
Cool. I mean, not cool, but cool that I know not to blindly buy this stuff in tpb after all.


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on March 18, 2017, 08:09:58 AM
Batman issues 16-19

A decent Bane story that is bringing me tons of enjoyment based almost solely on the look of Bane. I am not a an uber fan of Finch, I mean he is fine, I like his stuff, mostly, but he's not in my top 5 let's say, but the way he is drawing Bane in this arc. Holy shit I am absolutely loving it. Much like Finch, Bane is not in my top 5 either. Hell, he is not in my top 10 Batman villains, but I have never enjoyed him more than I am enjoying him here and that is primarily just on his look.

Bad-Ass look!!!!

Yeah, this was a good read, but I am very glad I had all these issues to read straight through. I read issue #16 a little while back, but when I hit #17 and had the two next issues, the arc became so much more enjoyable.

As much as a pain in the ass it is to have all these issues to read through, it is also so much better. Comics are made for that cliffhanger monthly (or bi-weekly) ending, but they read so much better collected. So much better.

I will read #20 when it hits, as I think it will be the finale for this arc, but after that, I may collect about 3 or 4 more issues to have backlogged before I start again. I think.
 :D

(Man does Bane look awesome here)
 8)


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on November 12, 2017, 03:45:37 AM
Wow, it has been awhile since I have taken the time to post here.
 ;D

Batman issues 25-32

I said it before in the Weekly Reader thread and I will say it again here; Ugh!

Tom King is such a great writer, truly, but I just can not seem to enjoy his Batman. Oh sure I will enjoy an issue here and there, but the only thing consistent in King's Batman is that King does not get Batman. The voice is just wrong. The mentality is just wrong. The Actions are just wrong (I can't wait for you guys to read what Bats does in issue #32  ::))

Oh and don't get me started on Riddlers last few pages. I will not say anymore on that until more of you have read this. I just can't speak on that now.

What I will say is, that this arc is a shining example of King's Batman. A story that could be so epic in scale, so grand, yet it falls under the weight of bad characterization and bad not the best plotting.

And ... well ... I am sure you guys have heard about Batman and Catwoman, but I am going to place it under the spoiler tag just in-case
Batman has asked Catwoman to marry him ... does that one statement not showcase the lack of understanding about who Batman is? I get you want to shake up characters every so often and no, I am not mad about it happening, I just don't think, out of all the DC characters that you could have get married (and show Marvel it can work *cough,cough* PETER! *cough*) that Batman in the one that makes the perfect choice. I don't want to see "Kinder Batman", "Picnic Batman" or ... oh god ... "Cuddling Batman"
 :D

Now true, Catwoman isn't your normal, run of the mill wife either, so of course there are stories to be had there
but from what I can tell so far, and again, I hate to say this as I love the guys writing, but having read over 30 issues of his Batman, I just don't believe King is the best choice to tell us THAT story.

The art was really cool looking though. I do have to say that.
 :D

Man, this arc could have been spectacular, with its
war between Joker and Riddler
, but ended up being so much less so. Just wrong voices and dialog that turned my smile upside down.

King, I love ya, but give me your other stuff any day!!

Thanks in no small part to the art and colors, the War of Jokes and Riddles rates a
5 outta 10 -





Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on November 12, 2017, 02:26:01 PM
Maybe Bendis will take over.


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on November 16, 2017, 04:45:50 AM
Maybe Bendis will take over.

Maybe, but with his recent drooling over a Superman image at a library in Cleveland, I am thinking he is going for the Man of Steel.

Man, I can't wait to see Jimmy's head explode it that is the case.
 ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

I was hoping JSA or LoSH ... but ONLY because I want SOMEONE to do those damn books. And while I would prefer someone that could do a team (not Bendis' forte at all in my opinion) at least it would end up with those titles on the shelves ... something we have been waiting for since Rebirth first hit!
 >:(


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on April 24, 2018, 05:20:50 AM
Action Comics #1000

What a spectacular event. A comic that has been published for 80 years (essentially).

My thoughts on this book will be ... a lot different than most. There is a lot of love (deserving) in here, but a most the stories, and there are a lot, tend to be the kind of stories that made me not like Supes in the first place. There is a, and I hate to use this term as it has been overused so many times, but there is a Boy Scout aspect here that I just don't overly enjoy.

Now that makes this the perfect issue for the character. It celebrates the core of this iconic character to the utmost and makes Superman fans or even comic fans such as myself, really appreciate this character. No, I didn't love the stories here, but man I did respect the love that went into them.

This book is worth the money. Period

You get 10 short Superman stories (which I will try not to spoil, but still read only if you don't care -
1 - Jurgens doing a story where all the DC characters a planning a celebration of Supes
2 - Tomasi/Gleason doing a great history/time story
3 - Wolfman/Curt Swan doing a hostage story (which the ink made Swans not look like Swan  >:()
4 - Levitz/Neal Adams with a story about chess ... that I did not like at all
5 - Johns-Donner/Coipel with a great homage to the first Action cover  :D Liked this, except the ending
6 - Snyder/Albuquerque and a young Clark and young Lex story that should have hit, but not for me
7 - King/Mann with my favorite story with Supes and the cemetery where Martha and Jon (their name changed in #158  ;)
8 - Simonson/Ordway and CLark's 5 minute deadline for Perry
9 - Dini/Garcia-Lopez with my 2nd favorite story featuring an alien we all know
10- Meltzer/Cassady and a too long short story about a bullet
11 - Bendis/Lee - Whoah boy, Bendis is here. :-\ Okay, in all fairness all these other stories where done in one while this one is more of a sneak peak or just the intro to what Bendis has planned. And they didn't do him any help putting this story in the back, after all those other ones, but I was less than thrilled by what I read. This new villain, whose design I hate, may end up being "cool" or worthy, but not here. Not yet. I did like the addition of another Super and hope that remains the case, but ... no ... I am not going to pass judgement yet. Maybe it is better I wasn't blown away by the first glance of Bendis with Supes. Nowhere to go but up now and hey, if this IS what will be the new Superman stuff, I can save some time by reading more of the stuff I need to catch up on
 ;D

In closing, while this isn't a book I would usually praise, I think everyone should have a copy of this book. It is worth the price if you are even slightly a fan of Superman and if you are not ... this caped dude deserves some respect, so buy this book
 ;D  


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jimmy T on April 24, 2018, 08:07:17 AM
Probably should put this in a Superman thread. 😉

Great to read though!


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on April 24, 2018, 09:14:35 AM
Probably should put this in a Superman thread. 😉

Great to read though!

I think it was his subconscious refusing to post in a Superman thread!   :D


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on April 24, 2018, 12:17:48 PM
 :D
Yeah, Jeff nailed it. I just couldn't put it in the Superman thread.
 :D :D :D

Okay, moving it there now. Or copying it there now ...  ;D


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on April 27, 2018, 09:56:09 AM
Batman 45 - The Gift part 1

Yes!  I love me a good time story and add in Booster Gold and it's a recipe for some Jeff love.  And King delivers.  Great start to what looks to be a good arc.


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on April 27, 2018, 12:20:30 PM
Batman 45 - The Gift part 1

Yes!  I love me a good time story and add in Booster Gold and it's a recipe for some Jeff love.  And King delivers.  Great start to what looks to be a good arc.

Don't you have this in the wrong thread? Didn't you mean to put it in Superman?
 :D :D :D


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on April 27, 2018, 12:38:30 PM
Batman 45 - The Gift part 1

Yes!  I love me a good time story and add in Booster Gold and it's a recipe for some Jeff love.  And King delivers.  Great start to what looks to be a good arc.

Don't you have this in the wrong thread? Didn't you mean to put it in Superman?
 :D :D :D

Uhhhhhhhh........NO!    :D :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Perry on July 07, 2018, 08:28:16 AM
Okay, if you did not get spoiled by The New York Times article, congrats!

I did, but of my own accord.

Spoilers below for Batman issue #50 by the way

So, the the wedding did not happen, of course, and while I am essentially okay with that (that being a comic thing) I am NOT okay with the way DC, Tom King all involved pulled the old bait and switch with us readers. Again, I am not mad the wedding didn't take place, ya know, comics are soap operas so that stuff happens, but the way in which DC sold us on this wedding, with Pre-wedding prequels and all that bluster ... yeah, I have an issue with that. Then to go and spoil the damn thing 3 days before we can even have a shot at reading it ourselves? WHAT KINDA SHIT IS THAT?

Remember when Marvel did the same thing and everyone pounced on their ass? Why did DC think this, the same thing, spoiling to the world before its release, would be a good idea?

Look, you want to get the word out I get that, but how about doing it the day of, or even the next week prior? Why does selling a comic to Joe Public override the spoiling of said comic to those that were buying it in the first place? Tell your damn story and let them come buy the comic, I get it, but don't .... AAARRRGGHHHH

Anyway, as for the story itself .. I did not like the reason why they didn't get hitched, just didn't make sense really, but what evs as they say. Can't have a happy Batman, pfft, yeah okay.

I am not going to grade this yet. I am not angry, not happy nor sad, but I think I just need to wait and get a better picture of how I do feel about this. I am still mad at DC and what they did more than I am ... anything about the comic itself, so I will be back. At some point.
 :)


Title: Re: BATMAN - REBIRTH
Post by: Jeff on July 25, 2018, 01:06:09 PM
Okay, if you did not get spoiled by The New York Times article, congrats!

I did, but of my own accord.

Spoilers below for Batman issue #50 by the way

So, the the wedding did not happen, of course, and while I am essentially okay with that (that being a comic thing) I am NOT okay with the way DC, Tom King all involved pulled the old bait and switch with us readers. Again, I am not mad the wedding didn't take place, ya know, comics are soap operas so that stuff happens, but the way in which DC sold us on this wedding, with Pre-wedding prequels and all that bluster ... yeah, I have an issue with that. Then to go and spoil the damn thing 3 days before we can even have a shot at reading it ourselves? WHAT KINDA SHIT IS THAT?

Remember when Marvel did the same thing and everyone pounced on their ass? Why did DC think this, the same thing, spoiling to the world before its release, would be a good idea?

Look, you want to get the word out I get that, but how about doing it the day of, or even the next week prior? Why does selling a comic to Joe Public override the spoiling of said comic to those that were buying it in the first place? Tell your damn story and let them come buy the comic, I get it, but don't .... AAARRRGGHHHH

Anyway, as for the story itself .. I did not like the reason why they didn't get hitched, just didn't make sense really, but what evs as they say. Can't have a happy Batman, pfft, yeah okay.

I am not going to grade this yet. I am not angry, not happy nor sad, but I think I just need to wait and get a better picture of how I do feel about this. I am still mad at DC and what they did more than I am ... anything about the comic itself, so I will be back. At some point.
 :)

Now that I finally get to read your spoiler ( I just finished issue's 50 & 51) I'm glad to see I'm not the only one confused by issue 50.  It was dumb.  I was able to keep from getting spoiled but it wouldn't matter if I had been.  I give it a 1 out of 5 batarangs.

Isuue 51 on the other hand.....Loved it.  I can say this without spoiling....Bruce Wayne on jury duty for a case that Batman solved.  Conflict of interest much?  But of course as they led us up to the obvious last panel...Yeah - that last panel was still awesome.  5 out of 5 batarangs for this one.