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Title: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on September 29, 2015, 10:17:28 AM
Get ready! October 6th is next week! How will time be affected and changed due to the season's end? WE'LL FIND OUT!!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on October 06, 2015, 11:47:49 AM
TONIGHT TONIGHT TONIGHT!!!!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on October 06, 2015, 12:44:14 PM
TONIGHT TONIGHT TONIGHT!!!!!

WOOT!  WOOT!


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on October 10, 2015, 01:28:02 PM
Ep 1 'The Man Who Saved Central City'

I enjoyed. Actually, I think the flashback of the conclusion of Sn 1 was more enjoyable than the 'new' show. I understand Robbie Amell has work elsewheres or some such, so he can't/won't be Firestorm anymore, but it was really sad to just see him, well, gone that suddenly from the show.

And, as I think about it sitting here, 3 people died in that day! Reverse Flash/Welles, Ronnie Raymond, and Eddie Thawne. No wonder Barry is seriously messed up from it.

The new occurrence of seeing the Atom-Smasher was really cool. Also very cool to see Barry being a forensic scientist again and doing a job. I like 'normal life' on these shows as much as the action and running *ahem* plot. But the best parts are sometimes watching people being people. Joe and BArry sharing tears and love in the season finale, Barry comforting his dying mom; all way better than most of the other stuff.

However, Atom-Smasher was here and gone, with very little fan fare. That was disappointing.



Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on October 14, 2015, 09:12:19 AM
Ep 2 'Flash of Two Worlds'

Ha! Really liked this one. Really, really dig this Jay Garrick. He certainly doesn't look old, but his demeanor and gravitas lend so much weight to the character of who Jay is (or, was, looking at Nu52 DCYou.... ).

I enjoyed Patty Spivots first appearance. Very likable, nothing squeaky clean annoying about her. Good motivations.

The in-episode framing of the original comic of the Flash(s) meeting was so cool! LOL

I'm actually a little glad to see Cisco be alarmed at his powers. Instead of being all fanboy about them, the threat that Wells promised that the powers were from him scares him more than anything. Not entirely sure why he wouldn't seek active help, especially from Stein, who is part of the group, but a little removed from the inner circle.

Looks like we need Firestorm back for Stein!

And yes, alternate world Wells! Friend or Foe? Is he Zoom? Now the speculations can abound!!!!



Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on October 14, 2015, 12:13:09 PM
Ep 1 'The Man Who Saved Central City'

I enjoyed. Actually, I think the flashback of the conclusion of Sn 1 was more enjoyable than the 'new' show. I understand Robbie Amell has work elsewheres or some such, so he can't/won't be Firestorm anymore, but it was really sad to just see him, well, gone that suddenly from the show.

And, as I think about it sitting here, 3 people died in that day! Reverse Flash/Welles, Ronnie Raymond, and Eddie Thawne. No wonder Barry is seriously messed up from it.

The new occurrence of seeing the Atom-Smasher was really cool. Also very cool to see Barry being a forensic scientist again and doing a job. I like 'normal life' on these shows as much as the action and running *ahem* plot. But the best parts are sometimes watching people being people. Joe and BArry sharing tears and love in the season finale, Barry comforting his dying mom; all way better than most of the other stuff.

However, Atom-Smasher was here and gone, with very little fan fare. That was disappointing.


Agree.  I liked the start as well.  I'm anxious to find out who...
Zoom
...is going to be.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on October 15, 2015, 08:24:55 AM
Okay, my thoughts on episode 1

First off,
I avoided all spoilers so I had no idea Firestorm was going to be a temporary solo act after the event. Glad they kept the professor, though that really surprises me as I thought Garber wasn't really enjoying the idea of a "costumed" type of program/show. But hey, it's a paycheck and he loved his time on Alias, so maybe they told him it was similar to this. Or, he was, ya know, misquoted because, yeah, the internets.
 ;D

As for the opening itself ... I kinda feel cheated. With them going to a "remember when this thing happened to us, six months ago?" I feel like I missed something. When last I saw Barry, flying up a portals tornado  :D, I was bummed when they cut it, but at least I knew when the season started over, we were gonna get hit with a grand opening.

Not so much.

But it does free us from having to listen to Ms. Snow bemoan Ronnie for 6 episodes, so yay to that.
 :D

Nice to see a version of the Atom Smasher but actually preferred Cisco and the Profs dialog about the name more than I did the character. The SFX were really, really bad with him. I think they did better with Grodd, which saddens me as this was the first "issue" of the next year. This should have been good if not great. It was neither. It was bad.

Also, Barry's dad leaving was absolutely bullshit. Spends 14 years in jail and then bails on his son when released? BOOOO. Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. There was one part that really bugged me more than this, at the time, but I can't remember it now so I am putting all that anger into Barry's dad leaving, instead of placing the ire where it should be.
 :D

Damn I can't remember. I guess that's a good thing.

The ending however, My name is Jay Garrick!!!!!!!
OH HELL YEAH !!!!!

Oh wait, there is another thing that kinda bugged me. Joe tells this unknown character (Jay) "Take one more step and [I will blow your white ass away]" or something like that ;D and the very next thing Jay does is take a step into the light!!!!
Why didn't Joe shoot?
 ;D

All in all a good episode. Kinda soap-opera'y but not too bad. Flash still kinda hits me like Days of Our Lives vs Arrow's god awful As the World Turns.
 ;D ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on October 15, 2015, 08:33:01 AM
Episode 2 - Loved Jay Garrick.  Looks like we're going to have a Season of Earth 2 villains!

Here's my guess on the identity of Zoom....

Earth 2 Barry Allen?  Probably far fetched but you never know!


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on October 16, 2015, 10:14:15 AM
Okay, my thoughts on episode 1

First off,
I avoided all spoilers so I had no idea Firestorm was going to be a temporary solo act after the event. Glad they kept the professor, though that really surprises me as I thought Garber wasn't really enjoying the idea of a "costumed" type of program/show. But hey, it's a paycheck and he loved his time on Alias, so maybe they told him it was similar to this. Or, he was, ya know, misquoted because, yeah, the internets.
 ;D

As for the opening itself ... I kinda feel cheated. With them going to a "remember when this thing happened to us, six months ago?" I feel like I missed something. When last I saw Barry, flying up a portals tornado  :D, I was bummed when they cut it, but at least I knew when the season started over, we were gonna get hit with a grand opening.

Not so much.

But it does free us from having to listen to Ms. Snow bemoan Ronnie for 6 episodes, so yay to that.
 :D

Nice to see a version of the Atom Smasher but actually preferred Cisco and the Profs dialog about the name more than I did the character. The SFX were really, really bad with him. I think they did better with Grodd, which saddens me as this was the first "issue" of the next year. This should have been good if not great. It was neither. It was bad.

Also, Barry's dad leaving was absolutely bullshit. Spends 14 years in jail and then bails on his son when released? BOOOO. Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. There was one part that really bugged me more than this, at the time, but I can't remember it now so I am putting all that anger into Barry's dad leaving, instead of placing the ire where it should be.
 :D

Damn I can't remember. I guess that's a good thing.

The ending however, My name is Jay Garrick!!!!!!!
OH HELL YEAH !!!!!

Oh wait, there is another thing that kinda bugged me. Joe tells this unknown character (Jay) "Take one more step and [I will blow your white ass away]" or something like that ;D and the very next thing Jay does is take a step into the light!!!!
Why didn't Joe shoot?
 ;D


Dangnabbit...

I forgot about Henry 'leaving'~bah! Hated that! I understand the hollywood/writers room/tv situation of not making Shipp a full regular, but they should have done it better than that!

Henry should have said "Slow down slugger; I don't know where I fit in life anymore-yours, mine, Central City....but I know you have a life that I'm not a part of...and I don't know how to fit into that. You will not stop what you're doing to catch me up. No apartment hunting for our place together, setting up a new practice for me together...it may be hard for you, but this needs to go slow. I'm not leaving this city. We can see each other all the time; more frequently than when I was in prison! But I need to see how to live free, too."


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on October 16, 2015, 10:15:18 AM
Episode 2 - Loved Jay Garrick.  Looks like we're going to have a Season of Earth 2 villains!

Here's my guess on the identity of Zoom....

Earth 2 Barry Allen?  Probably far fetched but you never know!

Imagine this.....

How cheeky would it be that Zoom is HENRY ALLEN.  :D :D

Just trying to get JW Shipp back into a Flash costume!  ;D 8)


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on October 16, 2015, 12:40:51 PM
Episode 2 - Loved Jay Garrick.  Looks like we're going to have a Season of Earth 2 villains!

Here's my guess on the identity of Zoom....

Earth 2 Barry Allen?  Probably far fetched but you never know!

Imagine this.....

How cheeky would it be that Zoom is HENRY ALLEN.  :D :D

Just trying to get JW Shipp back into a Flash costume!  ;D 8)

Good one!  That would be crazy cool!


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on October 17, 2015, 06:54:52 AM
Getting this out of the way, and totally agreeing with Jimmy (and, I am sure, Jeff) ...
That "cover capture" scene was an incredible touch  ;D As soon as I heard ...Patsy? ... crying out I crossed my fingers (mentally) that they would do something like it, but they pulled an even better look than I thought it would be. I mean with the brick wall (coulomb) betwixt the two of them and her hands up. Ha. Wonderful.

I liked this episode a little more, even though the last episode was fine.
I have heard of the Sand Demon before but I think I must have been out of DC comics (and preparing to leave all comics) by the time he first came out. Pretty cool to see a character I didn't really know but heard of being shown to me in that manner. Sort of like a Who's Who live
 ;D

I think Zoom being Wells is a little too "on the nose" but actually wouldn't mind seeing it. Kinda makes sense in the television "Earth 2" kinda way, but at the same time I thought I smelled the ocean when he came on screen so he is most chances a Red Herring.
 ;D

I like all the guesses of Zoom so far, and I was also thinking it was "daddy" Allen, just for the story or Barry just to hit Barry with another reason to be moody ;D, but I am going to pull Joe out of my butt because, why not?
 ;D

Hope it is none of the above and we get a new character, but I damn sure hope it is not Wells due to ease of non-comic fans. Wells was a super-speedy-villain on this Earth, so ...

Back to the show, I wasn't overly happy about Barry's mistrust of Jay and how long and far they took it. I get it, but it just seemed out of character a tad. Nothing I couldn't take, but just kinda like getting a new tattoo ... just felt like it rubbed me a little too long.
 ;D

And in closing, in my bitching way ...  ;D I also think that Jay's helmet should have been just a little, just a tad deeper, to sit better on his head. I know it is shallow in the comics, but it didn't look as nostalgic to me as just ill-fitted
 ;D

Still a good episode however. Looking forward to more!!!!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on October 28, 2015, 08:14:18 AM
Boy, we are not posting round these parts these days!

Ep 3 was Family of Rogues

Ep 4 was Fury of Firestorm

the 'Rogue' episode was fine. I always enjoy Cold, but the show, unlike the comics, seems to REALLY stretch it how Flash allows Cold to steal and whatnot as long as no one gets killed. I'm glad to see Barry rather decide at the end of the ep that yeah, Snart needs to go to PRISON<for a>BREAK ;)  -and maybe suffer whatever consequences later.

I think I'm bugged more for letting Lisa just drive away. She's killed cops!!! Or, I assume they were dead once encased in whatever cold shit that gun sprays them with! But the nerdy guy with hot girl romance must go on, and we're left with that moment. No. No. No. NO.  That pushes stuff a bit too far for me. That's a TV writing element/trope that doesn't pay service to the hero mantra they have affixed to Flash. Not one bit.

Did I mention the word hero there? If not, they said it about 827 times in 'Fury.' So, juxtapose that with the week's prior episode of letting Golden Glider ride off and away, and it sits sourly with me.

First off-AWESOME KING SHARK!!!!! Wow, they said they kinda blew their budget on this ep for that, and it was worth it! Looked FANTASTIC!!!!

Second, I'm sad that for whatever reason they couldn't go back and reuse the Jason Rusch character from season 1 as the other Firestorm Matrix guy-but they just went ahead and created a new character for the spot instead. I'm not sure if there is a black teen generic name generator on the internet, but 'Jefferson Jackson' would probably be the first thing that pops up. It's such a quick, here's an origin and setting the hero on his journey ep that so much of the other elements of the Flash side of things just felt flat-as in, how did Hewitt end up with powers? Sure, he went bonkers, I guess, but now you've locked up this working professional? Will he be missed? Will it be noticed Kaitlin went to see him, or called him if police look into him as missing persons?  Too much 'pat' stuff this ep.

However, I dig Iris' angle this week. Yes, I giggled when they used 'Macgregor's Syndrome' again. Oh 'Batman & Robin' movie, do you never stop giving? 8)

but, BUT the revelation that Joe has a SON he never knew, kept from him???!!! And yes, duh, IT'S WALLY, but holy shit what a bomb for that family!!! So yes, Francine will die, go away, and Wally will be left without family he knows, and Joe and Iris will have to find a way to heal, learn, and grow. Great dynamics can certainly come from that, with Wally butting heads with the 'son' Joe already has in Barry.

I like Patty. A little too All-American apple pie baking sweet heart at times, a little too eager Gidgety at times, but I think she and Barry do very well with their screen time together.

That's what I got!!




Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on October 29, 2015, 10:16:42 AM
Haven't watched Ep 4 yet - dang kid got in trouble that night and we couldn't watch it.  We'll likely watch it tomorrow night.

Ep 3 - I like the episode as a whole but totally agree with what you said about Flash letting Cold run around stealing.  Without spoiling I'll say I like how that ended.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on October 31, 2015, 05:35:04 AM
Not clicking Jimmy's spoiler tag as he combined the episodes I fear :P  ;) and I, like Jeff, have only seen episode #3 but going off what Jeff has said I can agree on that one point about allowing Cold to run around stealing.

I also don't like the way they are pushing Cold is a good guy. I don't mind they want to portray him as not a "bad, evil" guy, but they are really pushing it, hard. Only because of the new show coming up, I know why, but here it kinda gets old.

Golden Glider is still a name that should be changed. It just doesn't work on tv  ;D

One thing, not a blast but I just don't remember ... Can Barry ...
Does Barry not yet know how to vibrate enough to break ice? I thought he has done that before. Maybe I am wrong. Either way, I liked the use of the heated fibers (and the way the insignia glowed), but could have sworn he knows how to shake hard to break ice.
???

Still the best show on CW and a great comic show all around ... even though it's a little too sticky sweet for me  ;D I have Alias/Jessica Jones coming up soon, so it's all good.
 :D :D :D

On to episode #4!!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on November 02, 2015, 07:54:13 PM
Episode 4

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!

Can't talk about the episode because I can't get past that one scene.  And you know what I'm talking about if you saw it.

Tooooooo funny.

(Now to go read Jimmy's spoiler)


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on November 02, 2015, 08:05:12 PM
Episode 4 - Jimmys spoiler...

#blindside!  It did not even occur to me that the son was going to be Wally.  Of course you are dead on.  Of course, he won't be the Wally I want but I will block that out and try to enjoy this version for who he is.

Good to see Harrison Wells again even if it is the Earth 2 version.  I can't remember how they used Jason in earlier episodes.  But Jefferson Jackson seems to be a good replacement.  Maybe the Jackson name is wink towards Black Lightning Jefferson Pierce?

And Oh yeah.... King Shark!  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on November 04, 2015, 07:10:01 AM
Ep 5 "The Darkness and the Light"

Best. Episode. This. Season!

I so enjoyed the entirety of this episode. Personal interactions, the humor, the action, the advancing plot; no one, no thing was left to waste or was overly stupid in its execution.

I laughed out loud with Cisco and Barry on the date. This has been missing (for me) in both Flash and Arrow (for some time). I need them to have some day to day stuff. I'm glad that Team Flash hangs in Jitters time to time for coffee, or dinner at Joe's house. Just people being people. I need that too.

Love, LOVE this iteration of Harrison Wells. The tension among everyone else is done so well with a Wells in the room. Joe's initial 'Shoot em!' was a big flooring moment, but hey, he's never shied away from being a cop.

All the conversations with Wells, Wells versus Jay Garrick, Jay and Caitlin, Wells outing Cisco, all done so well.

Now the moments I pause at: One, I love that Cop-dad gives his daughter a gun for her protection, and won't take no for an answer. Two, she shoots at the head of another person. Let's think this over! I know this won't be addressed, based on the fact that it won't be thought of any more later, but Iris shot for the head in an effort to kill Dr. Light. If that face mask was just regular tinted glass, Dr. Light would be dead. Iris had no idea that the bullets would be stopped, but she. would. have. KILLED. another person! Will they ever come back to that? Will they ever address any later shock of realizing just truly what she did? I mean, Dr. Light was horribly spooked and appalled that she actually did kill someone. Iris didn't even bat an eye. That's...that's something that could have been explored or used. Or could be in the future.

Speaking of Dr. Light; I liked this iteration. Cool look of powers, cool explanation of powers too, by Wells, that I never considered. (Harnesses the power from a star, which is whatever insanely high temperature, so yeah, probably pretty dangerous). Now, making her Linda's doppleganger....OooOOo...me likey. What a cool way to bring Linda in for some more episodes (especially since she really sizzled and made a great impact as character and actor in her first appearance. Great screen presence, just like when Canary/Sara came on Arrow).

Now, the previews show using regular Linda as a stoog/will accomplice to lure Zoom....they've tried this before with Cisco! To lure Reverse Flash/Wells into a trap! Didn't work then! Why use another to try it? Obviously, Linda looks like she's let into the real story of it, but still, highly unethical and dangerous is my thought!!!!

No, I thought this was a great, all around episode. Every character in this ep also got to be a person as well. I hope that makes sense to you as you read that line.




Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on November 16, 2015, 10:49:57 AM
Ep. 6 'Enter Zoom'

Thoughts always drift away when I wait too long to discuss an episode. What I will say is that the show has done wonders to show the threat, danger, and menace of their big bads. Reverse Flash was the ultimate threat. Zoom is terrifying. I thought for a moment he was going to unmask Barry in the news office!! But yes, Zoom, holy shit, what a presence!!

And the thing with the paralysis! Very cool!

However, a huge stupid pill moment was using Linda as bait as a false Dr. Light. C'MON!!! Didn't they learn anything from last season how damned DUMB that is to do that!! Just frustrating.

However, Barry (Gustin) has amazing chemistry with any female lead, and I enjoy watching him grow another relationship with Patty (who I really enjoy watching!). However, yes, Patty is going to blow some shit wide open as they (Joe & Barry) really just treated her like shit in keeping her out. And yes, Linda is also let into the secret of the Flash. I wonder if this is really how it would work in the real world. Of course I'm going to tell everyone that I'm deeply close with, and yes, they won't tell anyone else either. Duh. Or...maybe it doesn't work that way. I have a hard time imagining which one actually would occur.

And...Grodd returns! And gettting more intelligent! YES!





Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on November 16, 2015, 12:18:56 PM
Ep. 6 'Enter Zoom'

Thoughts always drift away when I wait too long to discuss an episode. What I will say is that the show has done wonders to show the threat, danger, and menace of their big bads. Reverse Flash was the ultimate threat. Zoom is terrifying. I thought for a moment he was going to unmask Barry in the news office!! But yes, Zoom, holy shit, what a presence!!

And the thing with the paralysis! Very cool!

However, a huge stupid pill moment was using Linda as bait as a false Dr. Light. C'MON!!! Didn't they learn anything from last season how damned DUMB that is to do that!! Just frustrating.

However, Barry (Gustin) has amazing chemistry with any female lead, and I enjoy watching him grow another relationship with Patty (who I really enjoy watching!). However, yes, Patty is going to blow some shit wide open as they (Joe & Barry) really just treated her like shit in keeping her out. And yes, Linda is also let into the secret of the Flash. I wonder if this is really how it would work in the real world. Of course I'm going to tell everyone that I'm deeply close with, and yes, they won't tell anyone else either. Duh. Or...maybe it doesn't work that way. I have a hard time imagining which one actually would occur.

And...Grodd returns! And gettting more intelligent! YES!




Agreed.  This show keeps getting better and better.  I also agree that...
This revealing himself to random people is dumb.  He took forever to tell Iris but tells Linda this quick?  Not buying it.

I'm thinking Zoom is going to wind up being the Barry of Earth 2.  Why else would he be so consumed with him?

I like the Jesse Quick reveal (can't remember if that was this episode or the last.

And YES!  Can't wait to see Grodd again!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on November 23, 2015, 09:07:15 AM
Ep 7 'Gorilla Warfare'

Damned Grodd is awesome. AWESOME!! Like I said last season, I hope he just continues to get smarter and smarter! And now with more Gorilla City! (as a fun wrinkle, it's a neat way to also highlight why Grodd would be so different than Solovar or the other gorillas; he's an experiment, they arrived by their evolution in a different, societal way, so yet again, Grodd is an outcast amongst them.)

Harry was great to watch. I love being able to keep 'Ed' on the show, but in a different yet similar manner. Anyone on the outside looking in (like, oh, say, Barry's dad has to wonder at all this insanity!!!).

Yet, Harry walking around is a little goofy, what with being dead and all and confessing to Nora Allen's murder. Then again, that's a Case Closed, and how often do others really look at a person in public and wonder who it is? It's not like others are still searching for a dead man/murderer who was yesterday's news.

Barry's whining or feeling down this season is getting a bit redundant or annoying. Also, he really cannot do a single thing without his team. At times, I get frustrated by that.

But...Kendra is Hawkgirl is almost here! But WHY did Cisco leave the date? Cuz he was spooked? He didn't go talk to anyone about any of it!! The Flash excursion that night wasn't anything, because no one left, so why did he awkwardly leave that date?! There was no reason!! Kendra shouldn't have given him the time of day after that. No reason for him leaving beyond setting up nervous tension later for a writers' moment. Bah.



Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on November 23, 2015, 11:01:29 AM
Now that I am finished with Jessica Jones I can get back to this!! got to catch up.
(Not reading spoilers yet, although I can guess by the title of the last episode who this episode may showcase)
 :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on November 23, 2015, 12:23:13 PM
Now that I am finished with Jessica Jones I can get back to this!! got to catch up.
(Not reading spoilers yet, although I can guess by the title of the last episode who this episode may showcase)
 :D

I don't name them; that's for sure!  8) :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on November 23, 2015, 06:29:45 PM
Now that I am finished with Jessica Jones I can get back to this!! got to catch up.
(Not reading spoilers yet, although I can guess by the title of the last episode who this episode may showcase)
 :D

I don't name them; that's for sure!  8) :D

 :) Oh, I know  ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on December 02, 2015, 10:52:40 AM
Ep 8 'Legends of Today'

So ...many...ah! All the things!!!

So many heroes! So much lack of secret identities! Cisco just dropping Barry's name like that?! C'mon, man! Whatever; expediency!!!

(sadly, these super team up shows just become victims to expediency too often. OH well, still kinda fun).

How much do I love that both this show and Smallville worked to include Hawkman in them? I love it!! He's a hit! People like him! I hope that the wings are magic or whatever! I don't care! Just give me a continually resurrected warrior in Carter Hall! Although, show Ollie isn't enough like comic-Ollie to create that anatognism that was in the comics between GA and Hawkman, but perhaps an older, more battled (through the centuries) fighter like Carter could make Ollie feel put in a place where he no longer holds or feels seniority.

At least Vandal Savage seemed pretty cool.

I will say...that I worry about the shows getting too...comic-booky. LIke, 60's comicbooky, where the Bat-computer always finds the answer or the way. Where the giant Arrow signal just spins on a kaleidoscope, and it's announced by a booming over voice "Meanwhile, in Damien Dahrks dastardly den of doom!" our heroes just spin in.

It's just that Arrow seems far less...grounded these days. I still enjoy! But I get nervous.....Then again, the team up shows are really just big events for fans to enjoy everyone together. So, I like the fun of it. ;)




Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on December 03, 2015, 11:54:08 AM
Forgot it was time for the X-over, so I missed the last part of the two-part'er (maybe I will check into online, maybe) but overall ... well .. I kinda enjoyed it? I guess?

I have the same problems with the lack of ... secrecy as you, Jimmy, not with just the Cisco thing, but then they take this girl to another city and show her those heroes identities as well?  >:(

Also, an Arrow question, They showed the guy in the beginning putting hands on Ollie and sucking his life or whatever ... who was that suppose to be? Me no know.

I'm glad they are bringing in the Hawks, but while toothy Kendra kinda bothers me, the guy they got playing Carter ... not a fan at all.

Also, on the Arrow side, I just don't like the fact that Felicity and him are together. It is just for fan service, I get it, but it isn't right.  ;D It feels wrong as there is little chemistry betwixt them and what little there is that shows through is only because Felicity has so much chemistry period. Put her newar a lamp and they have a little chemistry. HA
 :D

The one part, on the roof, when Barry and Ollie were talking, I cuoldn't help but put a mental goatee on Barry and think how much better of an Ollie he would have been over this freakin' Amell guy. I have just never liked him as Ollie. He doesn't fit the part for me. He is more of a Red Hood kinda guy. But whatever, I am getting off base.
 ;D

Now a question about the new series, Legends of ... something  ... Tomorrow? :D I forgot .... damn it ... anyway, they showed the preview for that new Legends show, and I saw the following characters, but I'm missing who the girl with long hair is ... the one that had that long blade or staff and dressed in blue?
We have:
Rip Hunter (I assume)
Heat Wave
Captain Cold
Hawkman
Hawkgirl
Atom
Firestorm (both peeps)
And I saw the symbol for Hourman, but didn't see him
But who is the girl? Was that Black Canary from Arrow? Didn't look like her. And she had this blue outfit on, it looked like.
 Help?


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on December 07, 2015, 09:05:55 AM

Now a question about the new series, Legends of ... something  ... Tomorrow? ..... but I'm missing who the girl with (edited - semi) long hair is ... the one that had that long blade or staff and dressed in blue?
We have:
Rip Hunter (I assume)
Heat Wave
Captain Cold
Hawkman
Hawkgirl
Atom
Firestorm (both peeps)
And I saw the symbol for Hourman, but didn't see him
But who is the girl?

Looks like it will be
the second incarnation of the Doom Patrol, Negative Energy thing in Valentina Vostok

EDIT - and as for a possible future villain ... only look if you want to be spoiled. I don't think you should look, even though it isn't a big deal ... hell, may not even happen ... could be just a joke .... well ... it's still cool ... but you shouldn't look ... but ... okay ... fine ... look if you want to ... but you shouldn't ...
One of the next villains will be
Tarpit
  ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on December 07, 2015, 10:02:07 AM

And I saw the symbol for Hourman, but didn't see him
But who is the girl? Was that Black Canary from Arrow? Didn't look like her. And she had this blue outfit on, it looked like.
 Help?

Only have time for a quick answer, but yes, it's Sara Lance, the original Canary from Arrow.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on December 07, 2015, 02:47:30 PM
I'm behind and haven't watched the crossover yet.  Killing me not to look at the spoilers above so I can join the conversation.....


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on December 07, 2015, 03:44:05 PM

And I saw the symbol for Hourman, but didn't see him
But who is the girl? Was that Black Canary from Arrow? Didn't look like her. And she had this blue outfit on, it looked like.
 Help?

Only have time for a quick answer, but yes, it's Sara Lance, the original Canary from Arrow.

No, not the one I saw. This girl has shorter hair. I think it is
that negative woman according to the casting and DC Comics anyway


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on December 07, 2015, 06:42:30 PM

I have the same problems with the lack of ... secrecy as you, Jimmy, not with just the Cisco thing, but then they take this girl to another city and show her those heroes identities as well?  >:(

Also, an Arrow question, They showed the guy in the beginning putting hands on Ollie and sucking his life or whatever ... who was that suppose to be? Me no know.

I'm glad they are bringing in the Hawks, but while toothy Kendra kinda bothers me, the guy they got playing Carter ... not a fan at all.

Also, on the Arrow side, I just don't like the fact that Felicity and him are together. It is just for fan service, I get it, but it isn't right.  ;D It feels wrong as there is little chemistry betwixt them and what little there is that shows through is only because Felicity has so much chemistry period. Put her newar a lamp and they have a little chemistry. HA
 :D

My response:

Evil life sucking power guy is the Big Bad of season 4 Damien Dahrk. This season is about magical problems. He's the source. He once worked alongside the League and Ra's, but he splintered away and began doing what he wished with the resources for his own selfish reasons.

Yes, 'toothy' is exactly how I immediately thought of her, and I hate that that's the first thing I thought when I saw her!!! Carter is fine right now, but I'm in a bit of overload with characters. We're just supposed to accept his crazy stories, and since I know them from the comics, it makes sense to me. However, I'm not sure it really goes over that well just delivered in exposition over 2 40 minute episodes. No character growth, nothing to fall in love with. Hopefully that will happen in time. 

However, it's not 'fan service' Felicity and Ollie are together. :p They wrote that rather well, and I'm glad to see where their relationship has grown. So, bah and feh to you!  :D

Quote
The one part, on the roof, when Barry and Ollie were talking, I cuoldn't help but put a mental goatee on Barry and think how much better of an Ollie he would have been over this freakin' Amell guy. I have just never liked him as Ollie. He doesn't fit the part for me. He is more of a Red Hood kinda guy. But whatever, I am getting off base.
 ;D


I said Bah and Feh, sir!!  :P

GA is the closest thing to a 'kewl' Batman DC clone. No extra powers, prowls at night, easy enough to do for television. So, a bit of a gruffer, tougher looking stoic man as GA is the route they went. That, and ...now I'm getting off base. ;)


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on December 09, 2015, 06:58:30 AM
However, it's not 'fan service' Felicity and Ollie are together. :p They wrote that rather well, and I'm glad to see where their relationship has grown. So, bah and feh to you!  :D

 :D Wellllll ....  ;D My question is this ...
were they together in the comics prior to this show? I honestly don't know (and am kinda curious now). Hell, I don't know if Felicity is even a comic character or not, but if she is, they may have gotten together in the comics. However, if not  ;D ... it is "Fan Service" because it was what the fans wanted.  :D They serviced the fans by bringing the two most popular characters together. Regardless of how well they did it.  ;D
But again, if they did it in the comics first, I will retract my hateful words  ;D ;D ;) ;) (well, all my hateful words except the ones about Amell  ;) ;D)


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on December 09, 2015, 10:33:44 PM

But again, if they did it in the comics first, I will retract my hateful words  ;D ;D ;) ;) (well, all my hateful words except the ones about Amell  ;) ;D)

I'll say this about 'Ollicity' as it's been dubbed.

It was obvious from season 1 that Felicity pined for Oliver. And the show did it's best to create the fated love triangle with him, Laurel, and Tommy; of old and new relationships crashing against one another.

Season 2 was about Oliver hiding his secret life from Laurel, since she blamed the Hood for Tommy's death, even though Oliver wanted to be with her. Realizing that wouldn't work out well, he pined and felt bad. However, he and Felicity had an amazing relationship develop, to the point of great eps occurring about this at the end of the season. HOWEVER, it was a little easy to get over Laurel as Oliver quickly fell back into things with Laurel's sister Sara.

Season 3 saw some big relationship and status changes, and Felicity was there standing so much in stead for Oliver, until he realized and acted on his feelings for her as well.

So, I think it was a great slow burn, and well done. Does Felicity/actress bring a lot to the table in performance? You betcha. But I still can believe it with it's development. She was created in and for the show only, too.

And, being that you didn't watch it happen...I say...um... "neener neener!" then.  8) ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on December 10, 2015, 09:06:49 AM
Eh - even if it is Fan Service who cares?  It made sense and is believable.  And they are great together as a team.  She's really the only one who can put him in his place.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on December 10, 2015, 10:33:59 AM
Ep 9 'Running to Stand Still'

Very cool, very good ep. Brings back all the things I love to see; emotions! Discussions of that! Not sitting behind foolish reasons to hide! I dig all that stuff. Done so so very well with Joe, Iris and Barry.

It's so fun to watch 'Harry' on this show as well. Portals between worlds is such an easy out, as Jay and Harry go back and forth with ease. The want to close those portals has still not been realized, and that framing still seems odd in this season.

The Rogues gathering was okay. Felt the Trickster's plan was done better before, but Hamill was so much fun to watch in all this. :D

I liked how 'selective magnetism' worked for the 100 bombs. :D Yes, that was weak.

But Wally showing up...so very, very cool for this show. Works out great.

I love Zoom's design. I love the 'fattening up the turkey' aspect to the storyline. And once again, Wells will help to increase Barry's speed.

Gotta wait until January 19th now!!



Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on December 11, 2015, 08:59:46 AM
Eh - even if it is Fan Service who cares? 

No-One. You guys are acting (typing  :D) like that makes a difference. I couldn't care less that its fan service, but that is what it is. I am going by what I saw from season one and two and they should not be together. Yes she "pined" for Ollie, but in a crush way. Hell, she had more of a connection to Barry, in this incarnation, than she had with Ollie. Pining is not relationship. The core of these characters are not one that belong together. This is just CW teen stuff. Again, you guys like it, it's fine, but no, those two are not good together. The literally have no chemistry on screen. You guys (and everyone else that enjoys this show) see it differently, fine, but I think having two characters that you enjoy just being put together because you enjoy them both is not a good reason to have them together.

Look, I love Felicity, but no, she and Ollie don't work. Sure, in the CW world of lovey dovey the fans go crazy, but they are not magnetic at all. She is not Dinah Lance in anyway. That is the type of character Ollie should be with, not a sticky sweet, saccharine pushing, ne'er have a bad thought woman.
 ;D

She was "wowed" by Ollie and he saw right passed her like she was a good friend. Fans like them both. They get put together. Pfft. Whatever.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on December 11, 2015, 11:38:38 AM
Well I will say in this world Laurel (Dinah) and Ollie had even less chemistry.  In fact her character is really poorly written and uninteresting.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on December 12, 2015, 07:59:46 AM
On that I can't deny. We can both agree on that. I think the way they wrote her from pretty much the beginning is what bothers me so, even though I hate to admit it. I don't know if it is the actress or the writer or the director/direction, but ... it seems like all of them.
 :-\

Dinah is such a powerful character and I hate seeing her like this (or like I did)

Don't get me wrong, I would much rather have Ollie with a woman I think is totally "not for him" vs having him with the current incarnation of the woman he is suppose to be with
 :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on December 12, 2015, 01:13:57 PM
Okay, just saw the most recent episode and I have never been more pissed/saddened by Joe than I am in this weeks show. For two reasons.

1 -
When he states to his damn daughter, regarding the watch his dad gave him, "I always said I was going to give this to my son".

What a dick. Dude, that is your daughter. You don't say shit like that to your "only" child.
"Oh hey baby girl, you know how I always wanted a son right? Well this shit, this watch, it would have been his to show the bond between father and son. Oh, no, your cool and all, but your female, soooo, yeah ... no dicky, no watchy. fuck off"

Fucking writer must be childless because you just don't do that to your kid. Asshole

2 -
Damn it if he doesn't do it again later in the show. When he is asking Barry "who taught my son how to be a man?" or some such (not a direct quote) and I thought ... you sexist bastard. What about who "taught" your daughter how to be a woman? Oh, you can do both?

Look as a parent, both those things just irked the shit out of me. They did that all wrong.  >:(

The rest of the episode was pretty fun  :D (even though I still stick to the sofa from all the sticky sweetness sometimes.)
 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on December 28, 2015, 04:27:26 AM

And I saw the symbol for Hourman, but didn't see him
But who is the girl? Was that Black Canary from Arrow? Didn't look like her. And she had this blue outfit on, it looked like.
 Help?

Only have time for a quick answer, but yes, it's Sara Lance, the original Canary from Arrow.

No, not the one I saw. This girl has shorter hair. I think it is
that negative woman according to the casting and DC Comics anyway


Well of course you are right. I know IMBd had a different name for the character listed and NOT ... what it is now. WTF? What in the hell was I watching? I ... Just don't know. I swear the name was different. They had the ... never-mind.
 :D :D  >:( >:(  :-\ :-\  :D :D

So is this Sarah the White Canary or something? Just "Canary"? And damn I don't like the guys playing Hawkman/Hawkgirl  >:( that last is not a spoiler, but I'm keeping it here anyway  :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on January 24, 2016, 04:00:50 PM
Ep 10 'Potential Energy'

Totally dug it. Great ep to come back to. Great to come back to these relationships. Loved, LOVED the Turtle and his
powers presentation. I really enjoyed that. However, what a weird clunker of a thought by Barry to NOT tell Patty. I mean, he told Iris on a whim for criss'ake. Oh well, drama.

And I'm gonna love to see Reverse Flash back as well. Both of them, Reverse and Zoom? Oh man, what a season! Just wait until we have TWO Flashes cruising around!

Wally seemed to do an odd turn around from the last Christmas Ep where he earnestly showed up on Joe's door stop. Now, he for sure looks the pissed off kid who missed out on his dad's life, as well as have to take care of his sick mom in a different life than this one. I look forward to more great Joe moments from this. Hopefully, 'Wally' is a great actor and can carry himself around Joe and Iris.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on January 25, 2016, 07:31:50 AM
Now I stated I was going to stop being negative with comics, but I didn't say anything about TV shows.
 :D :D

This episode made this show slide waaaay down my enjoyment scale.  :-\

I hate this Wally. I hate Him. I hate his reactions, I hate his attitude and I hate his motivations . I even really hate the way Joe interacts with him. I would knock this punk on his F'n ass. I Hate Wally West. Hate him. As far as his acting ... I am not sure. I spent all my time HATING THIS CHARACTER WITH THE FURY OF A THOUSAND SUNS!!!!! I couldn't tell ya how I felt about his acting. I am thinking I don't like it at all as I couldn't get passed my complete hatred of him to notice anything remotely worth saving in this last episode.

Was this character written by Guggenheim? GAWD HE SUX !!!!

Burn to death on a treadmill, Wally!!!!!!
 >:( >:(

 ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on January 25, 2016, 06:52:51 PM
To Perry's Response:

Yeah, like I even said, he seemed a real big turn considering where he was before Christmas. I don't expect them to be a happy family from the get go. Hell, I would have looked forward to some angry drama "Where were you?! You weren't there for me!" kind of things, but here, he just seemed a dickhead. Like, fine, yeah, this situation sucked, I get it Wally. By the way, you know your Mom was a piece of shit addict that hurt her daughter? I'm sorry you had this life, or that we didn't have each other, but I had to protect my girl. So, if you're a man now, take this man's response-Shape up, suck it up, or get the fuck out of here. Your choice. I want you around, but not if you're prick.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on January 25, 2016, 06:55:45 PM
 ;D
Exactly!!!!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on February 02, 2016, 07:38:22 PM
Ep 11

The Reverse Flash Returns
Without a doubt, Cisco has stolen this season. His every moment with Wells is genius. His comments, his grasp of the situation, all gold to watch.

Oh....Turtle was killed! Misread that scene last ep!!

edit for later

I loved this ep. For me, there is something so fun in watching the hero against his greatest nemesis, especially in full suited colors. The way R-F despises Flash, the bitter pill of anger that Flash has for him, and then they run together. Oh man, so cool, so fun!!

Also, these actors are just killing it!! Iris is amazing. Great story with her and Wally to have moments and make them shine. I'm glad Francine is not to be another character on the show. Is it a bit fast for her to show up then die? Perhaps, but she's the vehicle/Macguffin to unite a family, or at least to break it and remold it. We got to watch Joe in the early eps be so angry and fearful and sad about seeing her, about having to live through his lie, and then to resolve it. That was all great. Then, to see his gentle tenderness to Francine on her hospital bed lets us know he's moved past it, he's been forgiven, and he's forgiven himself. So, it then becomes Iris' turn, and in doing that, it allows her to be broken, but then to be built up as a sister as well. Great stuff.

And, it needs repeating, but Cisco and Wells are great together! What chemistry!!

Oh man, Jay Garrick's doppleganger is Hunter Zolomon! Ha! Fun!!! However...will all seasons revolve around another speedster to fight? Or will season 3 truly be something like Rogue War? I think that would be truly cool too.

I had wondered if Cisco was going to just vibe over to Earth-2 and then make Barry go chase him down.

And Patty! She owned all her scenes! She was great! Fantastic!!!Loved it and her so much! Too bad this Barry is being such a turd about how he's treating everyone with his woe is me mopey Mc'moperson face. Ease up dude!!

Great ep. Truly, great ep.



Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on February 04, 2016, 06:05:19 PM
Ep 12 'Fast Lane'

Hellz yeah, great ep! Cisco had me busting a gut laughing, the West family continues to develop very well through the story, I really enjoyed Tar Pit's presentation of his pain, but then he just turned into the villain of the week. No biggie.

But damn, is Wells a great character (and actor!). He nails every scene of his.

Awesome last speech by Barry at least. Glad to see he's not super mopey all over the place this ep again.

Bwahaha only in a comics show does the line "We're going to Earth-2" seem so damned awesome!!!!




Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on February 05, 2016, 02:45:50 AM
The tar marks coming out of his eyes were a bit much. Too 90's Crow
, but ... yeah, it was okay


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on February 06, 2016, 08:34:59 PM
Caught up on Flash today.  Great episodes.  Loved the Turtle. Loved Reverse Flash. Liked Tar Pit.

And Perry the reason you hate this Wally is because ITS NOT THE REAL WALLY WEST!!  But you knew I'd say that.   ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on February 07, 2016, 07:08:39 AM
 :D

Oh yes I did!!  ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on February 13, 2016, 06:45:36 AM
Ep 13 'Welcome to Earth-2'

 >:(

Okay, so going to another earth is fun, seeing dopplegangers is fun. Cisco and Barry are fun people.

They are also terribly stupid, selfish, and short-sighted.

IN all this time, on Earth-1, Cisco has treated Harry's life like a fun game. Like it wasn't real.

So, cue the trip to Earth-2. All fun and games. Barry doesn't think about what he does, and just runs off, grabs his double, and supplants his life. Going through this whole new world, Barry is utterly brain dead. Confused and stupefied by what he sees, he can't fathom that these are all real people with their own dreams and hopes and worries.

So, in his stupidity in believing that this world should simply be his world in a different, same fashion, he acts the same, and believes everyone should be the same. IN doing so...and 'having fun' in this world...he gets Joseph killed.

Barry is indirectly, but completely responsible for Joseph's death. His selfishness in wanting to be part of this world results in the suffering of these people. These real people. REAL.

Not a game. Not fake. (okay, yes, I know it's a show, but for all intents and purposes).

But Barry and Cisco's desire to have fun with their sight-seeing trip have severely changed the lives of Iris West-Allen and Joseph. I have a SERIOUS issue with their cavalier and stupid indifference to this real world's people and problems.

For viewers? A very fun trip. For the actual characters living in the show? They HORRIBLY messed up. I'm seriously pissed about this




Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on February 13, 2016, 02:41:22 PM
 >:(

What Jimmy said!!!

 >:(


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on February 14, 2016, 07:56:54 PM
I'm a little slow, but I just figured out who this creepy, mob leading Reverse Flash is gonna end-up being ... maybe ...

Huge spoiler potential below ..

Barry Allen ... Earth 2 one I mean

Maybe?  ;)


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on February 17, 2016, 02:32:04 PM
Darn. Not my idea. Man that wouldv'e blown the internet in half, but no ... Oh well
 ;D

Still hate
the way Flash just stands there when trouble is happening. The latest - Zoom getting ready to kill Harrison's daughter and a regular speed person is the first to act? Flash, the hero, gets beaten in the action by Killer Frost?
Hahaha


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on February 24, 2016, 08:17:02 PM
Ep 14 'Escape from Earth-2'

Only half way through this ep; enjoying this a bit more, but if they blow off Barry and Cisco's utter failure last ep, I'll be a pissed off dude.

Also....is the real Jay Garrick in the cell, and a false one on Earth-1? Hopefully this episode will tell!!

Cisco and Harry (the actors) continue to show how they simply dominate this show.

(also, it's a little pat for Barry-2 and Iris-2 to simply accept the doppelganger/alternate reality thing, but hey, Flash asks us to do that all the time! ;D )

Also; Geomancer; again? What a lame-ass second appearance!! Watching Speed Jay running again was cool!!!

Earth-1 Kaitlin and Jay romance is boring. Iris the Reporter is boring. Sorry, but they are. At least the Kaitlin actress gets to do more and show more as Killer Frost.

***what an idiot for standing so close to the breach. Moron.



Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on February 24, 2016, 09:00:08 PM
Ep 15 'King Shark'

Maaaaan, Barry is back to his whiny, selfish bitch self. He's the fastest man alive! He can't live and do 2 things at once? Sheesh.

Glad to see Dig out and about doing different things! That's cool to see!!

King Shark looks so damn cool!!  8) I would have loved, LOVED, LOVED if Dig would have said 'What the fuck?!' and had it bleeped by the WB at the beginning of the ep when he saw King Shark. Would have just loved it. LOVED IT. For me, that's how the start of this episode is going to be in my memory.  :D

Cisco's drop of Caitlin's doppelganger was pathetic. Pathetic writing, pathetic acting. So, that's one of Cisco's biggest failures this season.

Wells (actor) continues to make everyone around him better.

Very forced antagonism between Wally and Barry. I'm happy to see that actually occur, as it really would in real life. However, it's too forced.

And hey! They address Barry getting Joe-2 killed, thank you! Thank you very much!! And everything you say is exactly true, Barry!! Thank you for saying it!!!

And just to say it again, Damn King Shark looked great!! But Dig? A stocking cap in rain? C'mon man, that's just dumb!! Tell me Cisco gives him a new helmet, though!!!

Well, glad to see Zoom is Jay (a future Jay? Another Earth Jay? I still believe the man in the mask is also a Jay, so here we go from here!


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on February 27, 2016, 07:59:08 AM
My Zoom theory (Spoilers from after King Shark ep)

So, Zoom is Jay Garrick. A Jay Garrick, I believe.

Now, its too bad for Caitlin that her Jay, the one she was forced to fall in love with died. Or did he? Watch that Speed-9 formula heal him up! But I don't think it will.

I think the masked man is truly Earth-2's Jay Garrick. The one that was running around originally, not trusting Wells there, but being the good guy.

I believe the Caitlin Jay is a future version of Earth-2 Jay, come back in time. Now, why?

How about future Jay meets Zoom-who happens to be himself from another world. Future Jay is already sick, and knows his speed can help cure it, but either A) Zoom steals Future Jay's speed, to make Jay work for Zoom, or B) desparate Future Jay agrees to go along with Zoom's promise for more speed, from another world, where that Flash hasn't gotten too strong to not be defeated, but is plenty fast to help them both.

So, Future Jay come back to Earth-2 current time, Future Jay helps capture current Jay, locks him up, and Future Jay gets sent to Earth-1. By now, Future Jay realizes he probably screwed up. Zoom has Future Jay's current self, which means that F-Jay works for Zoom, at the peril that Zoom could snuff Current Jay out at any time, and thereby kill F-Jay.

So, F-Jay isn't fast, he's dying, gotta work to get Barry to Earth-2, but then he has a change of heart, Caitlin helps cure him, he finds the heart of a hero, and thinks maybe he can just live on Earth-1, and whatever happens on Earth-2 won't affect him.

Now, I don't believe I'm correctly right on the whys or any of that story stuff, but I certainly feel that Masked Man is the real Earth-2 Jay Garrick. I'd bet someone else's hat on that. 8)




Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on February 27, 2016, 08:08:57 AM
I saw the same thing ...  elsewhere ... though I didn't see their explanation. So at least two smart people think it ... yeah ... Probably.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on February 27, 2016, 08:23:42 AM
I've been trying to get all my own thoughts down before I go looking elsewheres and get corrupted by others.

By the way, I love reading the commentaries of these shows on The Outhouse. I go right there after I finish an episode. Thanks for the link to that, Perry!! :) :)


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on February 27, 2016, 09:25:56 AM
Sweet. You bet. I haven't gone there in some time  :-\ but they do have a great (funny) spin on some things.

Though they can be very bias towards DC Comics. I take all they say about DC with a grain of salt. They seem to think DC screwed them one time and they have never forgiven them for it. I can't remember what it was, but I am sure you can look it up... if you want.
 :)

EDIT - Crap,  :D I couldn't get it out of my head, so I went searching ... I found THIS (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/04/29/dc-comics-boycotts-the-outhousers-over-parody-articles/)

Eh, whatever. Nothing really.

EDIT 2 - and back on the show - I am still getting really pissed at the "non-action" some of the directors are using in some of these scenes. Like
when the cops/guards/agents get eaten by King Shark. They turn the corner, look up and just stand there while he pounces. No gun fire, no reaction at all. Ugh, Make them react a little. Don't just say "okay turn the corner and stop and we will edit in the Shark". NO. Tell them to Turn the corner, see Kingy and react". Then when they edit in the shark it looks right. DAMN IT.
>:(

 ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on February 27, 2016, 10:07:59 AM
Although, I only now realize that I meant to say Comics Alliance for the tv show commentary reviews, not the Outhouse. But I think I still have you to thank for that Perry!!! :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on February 27, 2016, 10:41:37 AM
Although, I only now realize that I meant to say Comics Alliance for the tv show commentary reviews, not the Outhouse. But I think I still have you to thank for that Perry!!! :D

OOOHHHHH, yeah, hahaha totally different beasts there. Haha. Again, you bet  :)

I do go to Alliance quite a bit.  8)


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on March 07, 2016, 12:07:54 PM
I finally caught up on Flash and Arrow this weekend.  Didn't want to read these threads until I had.

This whole identity of Zoom has me reeling.  If they make this too confusing then the general audience will drop out.  At least I think they will.

So if Jimmy's ideas are true then why would...

Jay kill himself?  I don't get that. 

I'm totally baffled.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on March 29, 2016, 08:25:23 AM
Still lovin' this show, but I may have a new outlook on it now.
I just found out that "Flash" (Grant Gustin) went to school with my youngest daughter. I asked her about it and she said "Yeah, and he use to cheat off my French tests too!!"
 :D :D

(Gonna try to dig deeper, but she was late for work so she left me with so many questions !!!)
 :D :D :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on March 29, 2016, 10:24:06 AM
Still lovin' this show, but I may have a new outlook on it now.
I just found out that "Flash" (Grant Gustin) went to school with my youngest daughter. I asked her about it and she said "Yeah, and he use to cheat off my French tests too!!"
 :D :D

(Gonna try to dig deeper, but she was late for work so she left me with so many questions !!!)
 :D :D :D

WHAT??  Pin that girl down and get the scoop on him!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on March 30, 2016, 06:44:19 AM
WHAT??  Pin that girl down and get the scoop on him!!

Oh I did  :D

It seems that he may have actually been in my house at one time, though my daughter can't remember for sure. If he was, it would have been an "in and out" type of thing where I met him, said hi, and that was it. Honestly, my youngest was one of those girls that everyone liked (in complete opposite of my oldest), so her friends list was pretty much the entire school  :D. Towards the end, I just went through the motions of meeting her friends or those she introduced so I could have missed him  :o :o

But again, that is just a maybe anyway. I slim maybe. I don't remember him being here, so I doubt it, but my brain is filled with drugs, so who knows.
 :D :D
 >:( >:(

My daughter says she is pretty sure I have seen him at our neighbors house, which is two doors down at the end of the cul de sac ... where all the kids use to hang out and have parties. Me and the wife would walk down at times and hang with the neighbors and all before I got too bad.

I don't remember meeting him and my daughter can't say for sure, so I am going to say I didn't.

She was just basically "friendly" with him and they weren't really "friends" anyway so I guess I didn't miss much ... other than EVERYTHING!!!
 :D

And after badgering her for more  :D my daughter says "Dag, dad, whats the big deal? He's just a guy"

I can't argue with that I guess.

But he's a guy with super-speed, damn it!!!!
 :D :D :D

Bottom line, she said he was "Alright" while I am left thinking ... you couldn't have dated him?
 :D :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on March 30, 2016, 07:32:16 AM

But he's a guy with super-speed, damn it!!!!
 :D :D :D


EXACTLY!!  What is she thinking???   :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on March 30, 2016, 07:43:44 AM

But he's a guy with super-speed, damn it!!!!
 :D :D :D


EXACTLY!!  What is she thinking???   :D

I know, right?
 :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on March 30, 2016, 09:22:41 AM
Ep 16 'Trajectory'

A pretty fun ep. Not a lot of spoilers or anything. Just good to watch the characters be the characters. Caitlin is still a floundering bit character. Her simpering and crying now are the main part of her portrayal, and that's a weakness. Cisco still continues to be amazing.

Missed seeing Joe do anything cool this ep. No biggie; he always gets his turn.

And hey, how about Jesse's metahuman warning going off when she shook Wally's hand? How come no one else noticed that? :D

Barry is a bit of a pansy and a moron. "oh, this drug hurts and kills its user? But why can't I take it? I'm don't understand why you won't let me try it?" C'mon Barry, you idiot.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on April 02, 2016, 07:26:23 PM
Ep 17 Flashback

OMG!  Loved loved loved loved this episode!


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on April 04, 2016, 05:40:41 PM
It was good, for sure!!
 :)

Would have been perfection if not for the sappy ass video  >:(

 :)
But that's just me  ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on April 04, 2016, 06:14:15 PM
ep 17 'Flashback'

WAS  a great ep. But again, I love and laugh how Barry just gets it into his head to selfishly do what he wants, damn the consequences or good advice he's been given.  :D :D

But what a cool change with Hartley. Really dug that. Great way to make a new regular, maybe!!

Remember when Thawne (the real one) showed up before in this season? I can barely remember why or how!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on April 20, 2016, 11:19:28 AM
ep 18 - Vs Zoom

What a complete bunch of BS

Barry gives into terrorism? Really? Come on !!!!

And that stupid, pathetic "If you ever cared even a little bit for me you would ...." crap dialog from the days when my mom watched Days of Our Lives was also just teeth grinding worthy.

And why did Barry just "have to go get him" when the dude is dying anyway and will be gone if he just stays away? The way Barry taunted Zoom was also just a harsh reminder of a certain scene from Game of Thrones that still sends chills of anger up my spice, so maybe that is also why I hated it.
 :D

And I convinced my doppleganger to die? WHAT? Who the hell would do that? Your future self comes to you and tells you he wants you to die and you do it? Even if he takes "forever to convince" you?? NO, NO YOU DON"T
UGGHHHHH

Even with the origin we got, just a horrible episode. Absolute crap. Was this a Guggenheim written episode?

BAH!!!!

2 outta 10  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

I think with this and Bat vs Supes Jimmy just wants to avoid talking. That's what it is.  That is why he hasn't been on. It's not the new baby.
;) ;D ;)

No, I am not in a smiling mood. This was so damn disappointed.
 >:( >:( >:(

EDIT - and this damn episode just will not leave my damn brain. Had a small dream about it last night. Oh sure, I could have dreamt about countless other things, but no, I still had CW on the brain.

Could the man in the iron mask, that dude in the cell be ...
Zoom's father? Using codes like that to talk to Barry the way he did when Barry was in the cell and Jay/Zoom's dad was a war vet. Could Jay/Zoom gone back in time and grab his father and put him in a cage? But would that mean his mother is still alive? So maybe he go his father from another time? No, neither makes sense I guess as the Iron Mask guy was telling, or trying to tell, Barry how to escape his cell so he probably is a speedster. The more I think about it the less I like it ...

But another thing wrong with the episode -

What's with all the guns? what are they gonna do? Shoot him?  Well, why didn't you do it? Oh, because he if super-fast, that's right, and guns are useless.

And at first I have to admit I hated when Jay/Zoom says when asked why does he dress like the Flash and he replies something about to crush hope or whatever ... I was thinking who in the F'n world thinks he looks like the Flash? He is in a black as hell costume with a stupid mouth-melt mask. Oh sure, he has a bolt of lightning on his chest, but if you put an "A" on someones belt buckle are they really going around dressed as Aquaman? I know, I know, there are more similarities, just saying he is not dressed like the Flash enough to give anyone "hope". Quite the opposite really, right? and then I remembered he was originally dressed as Earth Two Flash, so ... yeah ... that is one complaint/bitch that I have to admit and withdraw. Hopefully someone can talk me through the other parts I am hating on ... hopefully

Oh I am so pissed at this episode
 >:(


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on April 28, 2016, 07:33:02 PM
ep 18 'Vs Zoom'

What, was this a continuation of Batman V Superman V Zoom?

Cuz this ep was downright dumb as dogsh!t.

Not good, not feasible, terrible, terribly thought out, poorly written, and utter nonsense, and nonsensical dribble.

Barry's an ass. And a dumbass.

End of my review.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on April 29, 2016, 07:54:14 AM
yep.

And 19, while better, was not good enough to wipe away the taste left from the episode prior.

Sadly, I ended up fast forwarding though a lot of this episode. I hope this is not the end of this show for me.  :-\ :-[ :'(


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on April 30, 2016, 10:34:53 AM
Wow.  Although disappointing I didn't think it was hate worthy.  I agree with Perry's observations on:
Your not going to convince your past self to let you kill them.  Not to mention the paradox of killing said past self would erase your existence. 

And I agree the crew would not just stand around and give up Barry's speed.  Somebody shoot him.

But as bad as it was I don't think it was "I'll never watch this show again!" bad.

Oh, and my theory on the guy in iron mask?

Earth 2 Wally West.  As to why he's keeping him alive? I have no idea but I suspect it will be a dumb reason.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on April 30, 2016, 10:50:52 AM
Oh, this isn't the end of the show for me. NO way there! But there's been some really dumb stuff happening to extend the season out to it's 22 or 23 episodes. That's what's happening right now.  >:(


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on April 30, 2016, 06:11:08 PM
Well the one episode didn't get me to the point of stopping  ;), all I said was I was getting scared that I may up doing so after watching the next one. I can forgive bad episodes here and there, but when the start coming back to back ... Yeah, I get worried. And hey, ZOOM wasn't just bad, it was the worst episode I have seen. It was horrid
 :-\

And I also wonder if cage boy could be
the real Jay Garrick.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on April 30, 2016, 07:25:23 PM

And I also wonder if cage boy could be
the real Jay Garrick.

Yes I've thought that I too.  Just not sure if that would just be more confusing or not.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on April 30, 2016, 08:20:43 PM
Since we've all thought that one time or another, how confusing would it be if it was:

Zoom's father? Just so Zoom can torture him? After all, how many people after WWII and Nam actually know Morse code? <besides every military character when it's needed...although, that wasn't Morse code, it was binary something or other....>

Then again, probably not, as they are kind of riffing on the 'Man in the Iron Mask' Dumas book, so it's probably just the correct Jay Garrick.

What I wonder.....are Jay Garrick and Hunter Zolomon other worldly dopplegangers? Or will Jay be an entirely new actor to play the actual Mercury Speedster?


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on May 01, 2016, 08:08:17 AM
I thought that at one time too and actually could have sworn I posted it here, but damn if I can find it now  :D :D

EDIT - No, I actually remember now. I just saw it somewhere and thought I posted it here, but did not.
 :D :D

But yeah, could be for sure.  :)


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on May 06, 2016, 07:55:01 PM
Ep ...19? 'Rupture'

Gawd, howdumb are all the heroes that they didn't expect Zoom to come back and be evil despot for this city? How come Cisco can't close the ruptures he opened? Because plot.  ::)

Look at how awful a monster he is. DUH!!! What stupid writing of the show to get them to this point. It's just spinning wheels-fully, I believe- until the finale. Gahk.

I'm more frustrated by it, than hateful of it. Its what happens when you make a Big Bad appear immediately in the first ep, and you try to keep that level amped up the entire season. You can't do it.

Cisco! Cisco is the greatest part of this show! What depth!

Henry Allen's mother's maiden's name was Garrick? Hmm...I think at one point I did suggest that the Man in the Mask was Earth-2 Henry....just so we could see John Wesley Shipp back in a Flash suit! And what do we have; but JWS appear in episodes again!! ;D

And now we again give Barry his powers for a 3rd time in the series.

Iris decides to fully come around to her feelings for Barry...who is more than ambivalent about those feelings, it seems!!

And the drama, of Barry going through with the experiment again, with what everyone else was feeling was ...not there. We all know that he will become Flash again, so the moments shared here don't matter. They don't resonate at all for me.

But this must be how we get Jesse Quick and Kid Flash! ;D

And Cisco with the wand...priceless!!

and ok ep in the end, but nothing that really makes it a true winner. Except Cisco.

He is so cool, that he is at the exact opposite end of the spectrum that involves Caitlin as far from him as possible. Sighs sadly







Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on May 10, 2016, 06:20:02 AM
I liked this episode if for no other reason than...

Looks like we'll be getting Jessie Quick and Kid Flash.  I'm looking forward to a Flash family of speedsters but also hoping it doesn't backfire and I get tired of so many speedsters.

Only three episodes left including tonights!


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Gay Titan on May 10, 2016, 02:05:37 PM
Who is the man in the Iron Mask?


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on May 17, 2016, 06:53:23 PM
After watching the episode prior to the Kevin Smith directed one, I was really close to throwing my remote at this show. I am/was sick of this Barry Allen being so damn stupid. Acting so damn stupid. Luckily, I didn't hit delete and decided to watch the last one ... not the one on currently ... not the one airing right now, but last weeks, with the new Booster Gold writer and holy hell ... YES !!

Finally, another good episode of Flash !!!!

Hope this is the turning point and it stays on this path!!!!! The path of good story telling!!!! ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on May 17, 2016, 07:42:41 PM
Right? Great ep! But only 2 more left this season!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on May 17, 2016, 09:40:19 PM
Tonight's was good but I'm ready for this story to end.


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on May 18, 2016, 08:21:33 PM
Tonight's was good but I'm ready for this story to end.

Agreed.

Almost a full return to form! But also, dammit!!  >:(


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Perry on May 25, 2016, 02:11:03 PM
Ugh, what a season finale.

We get more stupid Barry ... just what this show needed.  ::) And that ending, when he essentially
pushes Iris away?After just getting together?
Oh come on. Enough teen-age drama crap!!! It's like a guy at one of the LCS' I go to said (and he heard it from somewhere but couldn't remember where) -
"The CW shows have their actors dialog their emotion instead of just showing it. That brings the overall level down. Especially when sadness or anger is concerned. It makes them seem like overacting High-School performers"

Yeah, Robert. I get ya. But it isn't as bad and I can overlook it when it deals with a character I like IE the Flash. I don't like dumb-ass Barry however, so ... yeah, Robert. Yeah :-\ :-[

Man, if next year starts like this years past 5 or 6 episodes (one stellar episode aside), I don't think I will stay on. Just not into this show or the characters when they are portrayed opposite of what they truly are. Well, as "truly are" as fictional characters can be.
 ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on May 26, 2016, 06:04:27 PM
More Stupid Barry makes more of the greatest problems!!!

Those Speed force doubles confuse the shit out of me. I can't even figure out what they hell they really were.

Was I right at some point about the man in the mask? Scrolling to check now...

I can't see older pages, but yeah, we were all right. ;)


Title: Re: Flash Season 2
Post by: Jeff on May 28, 2016, 06:53:31 AM
Yeah WTF in that cliff hanger.  Are we going to have to sit through a season of Flashpoint?