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Title: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jimmy T on March 12, 2015, 09:59:25 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-debuts-new-costumes-for-superman-wonder-woman

New Wonder Woman And Superman looks.

First impression? NOPE.

Will let that sink a bit.

I actually don't mind the S look at all, and it's not that I think the T-shirt will last, but I hated it too when Conner Superboy had that look. So...dumb.


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Perry on March 15, 2015, 09:29:46 AM
I'm right with ya here, buddy. How is Clark gonna hide now? He gets a buzz cut the same time Superman does? And what the hell is with the Superboy outift? I mean, I get the jeans look with Morrisons "early years" stories, but ...

Oh well, will just be around for a limited time anyway and maybe you can get some interesting stories out of it in the meantime.


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jeff on March 15, 2015, 01:12:58 PM
How many times are they going to keep trying this?  NO ONE WANTS NEW UNIFORMS FOR THESE TWO.  There's a reason they call them "iconic".  They should start putting up odds in Vegas for when they go back to the original costumes.


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Perry on March 15, 2015, 02:07:55 PM
I agree ... about Supes ... or at least to the point I think he should stay the same but still lose the red undies, but there is no reason for Wonder Woman to still be "fighting crime" in a freaking bathing suit.

It is just like Captain Marvel. Her old look ... well, I loved it damn it, but it also made no sense. Even less sense than WW's actually as Carol had a bathing suit AND thigh-high boots.
 :D

I still see nothing wrong with a pantsed (?) Diana, especially when she can still have her bustier (as long as the eagle curves over to prevent the flop-out  :D)   


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jimmy T on March 15, 2015, 05:35:48 PM
and that's what I want too.

Put her in pants. Nothing is lost! Women are damned sexy in amazing pants! But thigh high boots? Really? Hell, I'd be fine with the bustier having straps over the shoulder. Imagine straps that flare like eagle wings? Tha'd be cool!

Apparently J. Scott Campbell was ripping on this lame design. That outta tell ya something.

And oh, Perry? There's something about the future solicit for 'Superman'-Clark is standing in burned out clothes with his Super suit undertneath, and the tease caption is 'The secret's out!'

We will see, we will see...


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jeff on March 15, 2015, 06:51:50 PM
I have to disagree on WW in pants.  It looks stupid IMO.

I like her in the battle/roman skirt.  I can compromise with that look.  But pants - yech


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Perry on March 16, 2015, 08:42:37 AM
I have to disagree on WW in pants.  It looks stupid IMO.

I like her in the battle/roman skirt.  I can compromise with that look.  But pants - yech

 :D

Something about Diana's legs that does it for you, huh?  ;)

Do you feel the same about other female characters that wear pants or is it just Wonder Woman?

Reminds me of the old debate - Should the guys share the bare legs demand? ;D

(http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g476/ptsteelers/line2-29-10-620x418_zpsjof9ddbl.jpg)


EDIT -
Put her in pants. Nothing is lost! Women are damned sexy in amazing pants! But thigh high boots? Really? Hell, I'd be fine with the bustier having straps over the shoulder. Imagine straps that flare like eagle wings? Tha'd be cool!

Would be very interested in seeing that.  :)

Apparently J. Scott Campbell was ripping on this lame design. That outta tell ya something.

Yeah, saw his posts. And yes, that tells ya all ya need to know  ;D (No offense to our boy Jeff of course)

And oh, Perry? There's something about the future solicit for 'Superman'-Clark is standing in burned out clothes with his Super suit undertneath, and the tease caption is 'The secret's out!'

We will see, we will see...

Ummm .... hmmmm ... so ... Well once that genie is out of the bottle, gonna be interesting to see how they work him back in. I can't see that proposal lasting too long. But, hey, maybe, as I have always thought the "disguise" that Superman uses, while amazing in the comicbook way that makes comics fun, was just frustratingly too damn obvious
 :D


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jeff on March 16, 2015, 09:15:49 AM
What makes me laugh is that they usually say they are doing this to not be sexist yet all the women I know that have an opinion on the costume want the classic Linda Carter costume.  They think it s dumb to change it.


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Perry on March 16, 2015, 10:17:09 AM
What makes me laugh is that they usually say they are doing this to not be sexist yet all the women I know that have an opinion on the costume want the classic Linda Carter costume.  They think it s dumb to change it.

1) Are these women comic readers or just women that know 'of' Wonder Woman
2) Would these same women dress that way at a Con
3) Would these women want their daughter dressing that way at a Con
4) Would you want YOUR daughter dressing that way at a Con  ;)

And seriously and not being combative, just wondering, do you feel the same about other female characters that wear pants? Should they not (IE Captain Marvel's new look)

And by the way, I have no issues with the skirt or the 'showing of skin' but the issue is that Wonder Woman is THE female character for a company and there are tons of little girls that can't 'pretend' to be her or dress like her because of the bathing suit aspect. Why would you (being a company, not 'you' as in Jeff  :D) ... why would you want to limit the amount of females that can/will/want to dress/promote your character, when just a simple change can solve the issue.

Look at how many women, and more importantly; girls are dressing as Carol Danvers now (a companies "B" list character) compared to those dressing as Wonder Woman (a companies most recognizable female character)

Again, the leather skirt is not bad, and if done correctly could really tie in the Amazon aspect as well as the strength of the character, but that riding up the ass bathing suit has to go.
 ;)

Hell, just look at Cambell's rendition. It looks really good for a comic (although he being him still has to show as much damn skin as possible  ::)) but would you want your little girl to dress THIS (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/03/16/j-scott-campbell-redesigns-wonder-woman-his-way/) way? Isn't this just as bad as the Power Woman boob window? (Which I also like in the comics  :D)

I mean lower that skirt a little ... no, a little more ... keep going ... okay, there!  ;D And at least put some damn straps on that damn bustier to make it not look like she was shopping at Fredericks and I think there is something here. Because right now, there isn't too much difference from this ...

(http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g476/ptsteelers/10616010_10152811588615835_7695654997266477739_n-600x772_zpsb4re3eli.jpg)


and this ...

(http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g476/ptsteelers/WW_zpszwij79kk.jpg)

or is this a better comparison?
 ;D

(http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g476/ptsteelers/ww2_zpsnfeoi3iq.jpg)

EDIT -
And once again I look back at this and ... I just want to make sure you know, Jeff, that I am not bashing you for your opinion. I think we are not that far apart in our thinking and I am scared I went a little too "Perry" with my comments.
 :D
Please know that I am not knocking you for what you think or feel, again, I like the Boob Window  :D :D but more curious to what you think, not WHY you think it.
 :)


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jimmy T on March 16, 2015, 11:11:18 AM
Lets not forget (although, maybe you did, I don't know what you thought of the show), we had this once upon a time:

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132327/2761106-xena_in_ulysses.jpg)

An armor looking bustier, with straps, leather plait skirting. I think it's a good look. I mean, the Gal Gadot WW shot is more of an armor bustier look (sans straps), and it still says ass-kicking female here.

What Finch's design is, is just stupid to me. Cover the legs up with pants, fine go for it. But with thigh-high boots? and a non-functional skirt (which, whatever, all of Jim Lee's costume designs for New52 were stupid)?

It's at this point where I think DC needs to ask Marvel what they're doing, since they've redesigned X uniforms forever, and seem to come up with more than a few good ones every once in a while. 

......

Then again, WW's bustier has been most portrayed as an armor piece since Kingdom Come. Before that? Honestly, mostly just part of the cloth material of her bustier, unless she did bust out some armor set pieces (which did happen way back Perez's reboot as well).

So, either make it all cloth/clothing material, and marry it to a uniform ala Captain Marvel (*but her helmet & hair still look stupid), or make a second pure armor set.

But this look of "North Pompeii High School Marching Band" uniform is already on my poop list.


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jimmy T on March 16, 2015, 11:21:49 AM
Also, along with that; you guys see Flash's redesign-now with MORE lightning lines!

At least Green Arrow is sans the stupid Hawkeye goggles and is back in a domino mask. Now Listen, I know they don't hide a secret identity, but this is comics, and there has to be some creative license with design attractiveness!


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Perry on March 16, 2015, 01:46:54 PM
A) Yes, Xena's outfit is a perfect example of the strap and skirt and how it can work.
B) Yes, I did forget about her  :D
C) I have not see the Flash's new costume and I am now scared  :-[
D) Why I am listing things in this manner, in this thread?


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jeff on March 16, 2015, 03:34:33 PM

4) Would you want YOUR daughter dressing that way at a Con  ;)


She's 8 dude.  There a lot of full bodied costumes I wouldn't let her wear.   :D :D

The Xena look is what I'm cool with.  The original WW had a skirt so I'm not bothered by that change.  It's the classic look I want to keep.  These "pant" looks are always too drastic.

Have you been to a comic con lately?  There is always a plethora of women dressed as WW (whether they should be or not   ;D  )


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jimmy T on March 16, 2015, 06:22:17 PM

Have you been to a comic con lately?  There is always a plethora of women dressed as WW (whether they should be or not   ;D  )

Its the dudes dressed as WW that make me worry.  :o


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jeff on March 16, 2015, 09:43:31 PM

Have you been to a comic con lately?  There is always a plethora of women dressed as WW (whether they should be or not   ;D  )

Its the dudes dressed as WW that make me worry.  :o

Oh man - you are soooo right on that one!


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Perry on March 17, 2015, 12:18:07 AM
Have you been to a comic con lately?  There is always a plethora of women dressed as WW (whether they should be or not   ;D  )

 :D
Yes I have been and I have also seen tons of pics from most Cons across the nation and maybe it is a Texas thing  ;) and you are seeing a lot there, but I am not seeing an abundance of WW anywhere. Especially not in her bathing suit style clothing. In fact the ones I really see now are the professional or traveling arts cosplayers dressing as her.

And as for the daughter thing ... yes, she is eight, but shouldn't see be able to dress up as one of DC's (or Marvel's) main comicbook characters? That is my point. No father should allow their daughter to wear her outfit.

I'm not trying to be a curmudgeon,  :D, I just think having the top heroes in comics dress in a manner more acceptable that a kid could emulate is not a bad thing. We can always have the sexy costumes with stupid ass designs like Emma Frost or Starfire (before the update) whose costumes defy all manner of reason, but for the most popular and well known heroes ... the icons, shouldn't our kids be able to copy their wardrobe? Shouldn't you be able to feel good about your daughter wanting to dress as DC's most famous lady?

And aside from the too much skin aspect, isn't having a hero fight villains while pulling bites out of her butt a little too much to ask of them
 :D

Anyway, I think we can all agree that the Xena type of costume would be a good look for Diana  :)


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jimmy T on March 17, 2015, 08:04:31 AM
I've also started a thread at facebook asking my women friends to comment on the new look.

Now, I think the 3 of us have been looking at it aesthetically, functionally, and then more over at the large social piece a bit last.

My women friends (the dozen that replied) liked her tits won't be popping out, that she looks sexy without having to show skin, that she looks strong while still being sexy, and that their daughters can dress this way (this responses are posted in order of most commented on).

Only my 40 year old sister commented on anything aesthetically about the skirt or the blades.


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jeff on March 17, 2015, 10:03:45 AM
That's a good idea Jimmy - I might try that too.

I did go back and look at the new costume and you know, it's really not that bad.  But what is with the blades?


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jimmy T on March 17, 2015, 10:22:55 AM
I did go back and look at the new costume and you know, it's really not that bad.  But what is with the blades?

All the aesthetic things I hate about it just seem to be regurgitation motifs from the 90s. I wonder if you did xray graphs on the original, would you find a few many pouched-utility belts riding her hips and thighs? Maybe some kinda visor or spikes off the shoulder pads? ;)


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jeff on March 17, 2015, 10:48:36 AM
I posted the question to my female friends on Facebook and already getting responses.  Here are the first two:

"Needs no change! I would like to see the costume show "fit" Wonder Women over busty. Still like the old one better either way."


" I like the old one better. Not sure of their definition of sexist. I guess covering more of her skin seems less sexist because men don't have to show skin? But, leaving a small waste, huge bust and putting thigh high boots like she's a hooker on her is better???? Stay with the classier costume!"



Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jeff on March 17, 2015, 11:15:59 AM
Ok - that may have been a mistake.  Now I've got women fighting on my Facebook page.


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Perry on March 17, 2015, 11:39:57 AM
 :D

As far as the blades ... yeah, ridiculous.


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jeff on March 17, 2015, 12:30:52 PM
Ok - that may have been a mistake.  Now I've got women fighting on my Facebook page.

Oh boy.  In the midst of the debate one of my male friends posted this:

"Do chicks even read comic books in the kitchen? "

This should get interesting.


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jimmy T on March 17, 2015, 05:17:27 PM
Ok - that may have been a mistake.  Now I've got women fighting on my Facebook page.

Oh boy.  In the midst of the debate one of my male friends posted this:

"Do chicks even read comic books in the kitchen? "

This should get interesting.

omigod friend me-James Tonn Fond du Lac I want to read this!!!  :D :D


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jeff on March 18, 2015, 09:42:35 AM

omigod friend me-James Tonn Fond du Lac I want to read this!!!  :D :D

Friend request sent.  Unfortunately - none of them took the bait!!

EDIT:  Love the Aquaman shirt!


Title: Re: Is DC trying to get me to drop comics?
Post by: Jimmy T on March 18, 2015, 08:20:06 PM
Still fun to read through, though!

And thanks!! My wife says the hanging plant 'photo-bombed' my picture there. :D