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Title: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on October 08, 2014, 07:11:41 PM
Yup; new thread. Just watched the first Episode.

REALLY liked it! Have a good feeling from what I just watched, and I look forward to more! Go big super hero super science tv show! Here goes nothing! :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on October 08, 2014, 08:09:30 PM
 :o

How did I miss this?  What day?!  What time?!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on October 08, 2014, 08:12:05 PM
Oh whew!  My DVR got it tonight.  I'll watch it tomorrow and report back.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on October 08, 2014, 10:04:29 PM
Yeah Jeff, they played it 2 nights this week! Good thing too; my dvr tried recording a Flash ep on a broadcast that my dish doesn't pick up!! Woulda been SO PISSED.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: G:The Last Man on October 10, 2014, 11:22:19 PM
That first episode was fantastic!

So many nods to the DCU......Grodd, Ferris Aircraft, Reverse Flash!!!!!!......I just.......gahhhhhhhh......so awesome!!!!!

And the old TV Flash plays the Flash's dad.......and Arrow shows up.....so much good stuff!!!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on October 11, 2014, 09:36:04 AM
Better than Arrow so far for me as it is being a tad less "CW", but that "CW" style is still there at its base so I am not sure how long I will be able to stay. Gonna hang for as long as I can because I am hoping they go a little less "pretty people with pretty problems" here and avoid being just another CW teenage "sexy" show. I am sure it will still play-out like a regular CW type, but I have hopes.  ;D Plus, I like the rouges more than any GA villain so seeing them will be a treat.

Oh ... and .... ZOOM!!!!!!
 :)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on October 17, 2014, 05:55:09 PM
This is so much better than Arrow. Sorry Jimbo, I know you like you some Arrow, but this show is just ... better  :P ;D

I, having such a lack of DC knowledge, had no idea who the main antagonist was in this last episode, but it mattered not. Enjoyed this perhaps even more due to my lack of awareness. Can't wait for the other peeps we know are coming to arrive.
!!!!

While I am starting to dread watching GOTHAM, sadly (and I hope that soon changes) and Agents is really up and down (the last episode, three, was a tad better than episode two), it's nice to have a comic show I look forward to.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on October 18, 2014, 01:40:49 PM
This is so much better than Arrow. Sorry Jimbo, I know you like you some Arrow, but this show is just ... better  :P ;D

I just love a real comic booky show, too! Geoff Johns even said in a recent interview, that 'The Flash' is going to be the closest to a comic book as any show out there. And I applaud it. I understand why they didn't go that route with Arrow, but with how Seasons 9 and 10 of Smallville showing how fun lotsa comic stuff can be, I think the Arrow will continue to amp up all their comic connections.

And yes Perry, choices may vary. I'm just glad the Flash is awesome so far!


Quote
While I am starting to dread watching GOTHAM, sadly (and I hope that soon changes) and Agents is really up and down (the last episode, three, was a tad better than episode two), it's nice to have a comic show I look forward to.

I got a Bat-friend who REALLY enjoys Gotham, and I feel like he's just phoning in that appraisal. :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: jedicow on October 19, 2014, 08:16:20 PM
I just got around to watching the first ep today and IT WAS AWESOME!  really looking forward to more!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on November 15, 2014, 04:47:49 AM
Well it was fun while it lasted.

I kinda started to lose my love for this with the previous episode, but this last one ... and
the fact that Arrow and Flash will soon be crossing over ...
just about killed the show. What started out good is now diving further into the typical CW type of style. I am not sure it wasn't there the entire time, but I certainly see/feel it now.

Hope this turns .... well, I hope I turn around because it was "cool" seeing what they did to a certain villain a couple episodes ago but the Cisco drama stuff was horrible and this last episode didn't "blow me away" by any means.

Kinda worried now.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on November 15, 2014, 05:06:00 AM
No, the Plastique ep wasn't that good. Cisco is a REALLY weak character. I just want to see more of Joe West, if anything.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: G:The Last Man on November 15, 2014, 07:58:38 PM
I'm more forgiving than most.  ;D

Nevermind the bad episode, which even happens to great shows......but, how cool was it when he ran up the side of the building?  I love how they slow down the Flash's speed!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on November 15, 2014, 09:43:17 PM
OH there's no doubt here; I'm still really enjoying this show. Loving it, even!

I realize when TV is not-so-great, and I can excuse many things, except for those tiny, personal things that stick in my craw (gun violence & wounds, 1-handed catching holding people off of ledges, "magic" computers that solve all of TV heroes problems). As for Flash, I'm not finding them as much, or I'm allowing myself to not see them because there is so much other stuff I enjoy. :D

(but magic computer stuff on this show irritates me as well....but it's WAY worse on Arrow).


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on November 16, 2014, 10:08:36 AM
The kiddo and I caught up to the Captain Cold episode yesterday.  I'm glad she loves this show even though she just wants to see kissing.  I love it because it's great. :)

I'm only behind one episode but even a bad episode won't kill it for me yet.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on November 16, 2014, 01:03:27 PM
 Jeez, guys,

;D :D

It's not like I said "Well that episode sucked. I'M OUTTA HERE !!"

 ;D :D

I can just see that this show, on the CW, is heading towards being just like every other show on the CW and I just can not watch shows like that.

Look, I can watch old cheezy ass movies, read old super-cheezy ass pulp books and can enjoy some older comics but I can separate that knowing that was how they spoke/wrote/produced dialog back then, but we don't live in the 1950's any longer so when shows are scripted as horribly, to me, as the shows on the CW are (Smart people or police in particular doing absolutely STUPID ass things and talking to each other in a manner that is so saccharine sweet that it would make Christ gag or so painstakingly cute/sexy that even my 8 year old grand-son says that " ... all the boys on this show talk like they are girls" ( ;D true story), then yes, I struggle watching the show.

Now, again, I read a shit ton of pulp books (Doc Savage, Spider, the Shadow) so I know far too well how dialog can be dated and hard to relate to or even stomach, so for anyone that enjoys the shows on the CW I do not in anyway condemn them personally as I am well aware some of the books/movies I watch would make most everyone here eye's roll  ;D, but just wanted to clarify my position as one that is just not dropping the show ... that I gave a full, dedicated chance to ... for just having a bad episode or two. Even when that is I what I used as one of the decided factors in my decision to stop watching this show.
 ;)

Now, with all being said  ;D ... enjoy this show guys !! It deserves an audience for sure, I just can't be a part of it.
 :) 8)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on November 17, 2014, 08:00:14 AM
Oh man...it's gonna take a couple of weeks for me to forget the line "all the boys talk like girls"....because that is kinda true! .lol  :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: G:The Last Man on November 22, 2014, 12:04:07 PM
How cool was that supersonic punch?!?  Special FX are well done on Flash's abilities.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on November 23, 2014, 05:31:59 AM
How cool was that supersonic punch?!?  Special FX are well done on Flash's abilities.

I will give the CW this, they did a good ... very good job of allowing money for special effects. One of the true bright spots on this show.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on December 03, 2014, 08:55:58 AM
Ha! Cool! Flash v Arrow part 1

AND they bring in the woman who has Ollie's kid?! WOW. Firestorm's first appearance! So cool! So fun! I has hoping Rainbow Raider might do some other stuff, but REALLY looking forward to Boomerang now


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on December 10, 2014, 09:45:53 AM
This show; I say let it go as big and as huge as it can! Costumes! characters! super-hero stuff galore! Let~it~RUN!!!!

Mid-season finale was terrific. Love Grant Gustin. Unfortunately, again, the main lady-Iris-is the weakest character of the bunch. Acting, she's fine. But her love-glazed starlet worshiper angle for the Flash is weak, hollow, silly. Her <character> inability to see Barry as he feels for her is rather poor.

()however...I cut some slack for that. It mirrors a chapter of my life where my leading lady simply did not recognize my feelings or what I did for her as anything romantic at all. It's heart-breaking, and Grant did fantastic with it.

I read one review that really noted that the Zoom, 'the man in the yellow suit', truly brings an aspect of terror to the show. He is powerful; nigh, unstoppable. He is a truly palpable threat that seemingly cannot be countered, and it's an edge to a show that has not pushed towards that quite yet.

And tha's true! The danger of Zoom was really felt, and quite well!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on December 10, 2014, 11:26:26 AM
Did you read yesterday where Mark Hamill is going to be on the show as the Trickster?  Just like he was on the old John Wesley Shipp Flash series.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on December 10, 2014, 10:26:16 PM
Did you read yesterday where Mark Hamill is going to be on the show as the Trickster?  Just like he was on the old John Wesley Shipp Flash series.

Yup! I love an old versus new Trickster. Very Johnsian. :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on December 25, 2014, 10:04:50 AM
So I was bored as I don't know what yesterday (First Christmas without kids in the house so most of what I use to do in preparation I no longer do) so I decided to sit down and hit up the CW site and watch the rest of the Flash episodes I missed. Still think this show is better than Arrow, but I still just struggle with some of the reactions and dialog between these "adults" with their "I'm not talking to you" attitude or "I've known you forever but now this one thing that we will not discuss is going to kill our relationship" drama is crazy on this show. But ... I wanted some Flash damn it, so I fought through that (Plus, it's a lot easier when I don't have to fast-forward through the commercials. I am literally putting forth no further effort to watch this show than clicking play, so the struggle is lessened)
 ;D
 
Ha! Cool! Flash v Arrow part 1

AND they bring in the woman who has Ollie's kid?! WOW. Firestorm's first appearance! So cool! So fun! I has hoping Rainbow Raider might do some other stuff, but REALLY looking forward to Boomerang now

Well I didn't see part two, as I only watched this Flash episode, but yeah,
loved me some Firestorm. The effects when he flew away were very well done. Pretty good episode

Mid-season finale was terrific.

It truly was. A fantastic episode with great action, showcasing
the threat that is "Who is that guy in the yellow suit?" and the installment of the "wait a minute" ... the part where they realize that due to the color of lightening, that there were two guys there when Barry's mom was killed. Nice way to bring more "OOOhhhh" to the show.
:)

The danger of Zoom was really felt, and quite well!

Yep, just can't agree with you enough here.  :)
The voice, the look, the way he beat the living hell out of ... himself? Maybe? Maybe not? Just great. Everything about him that makes him dangerous or at the least foreboding was highlighted very well. Really enjoyed it

And saved the first comment in your post for last as it sums it up perfectly ...

This show; I say let it go as big and as huge as it can! Costumes! characters! super-hero stuff galore! Let~it~RUN!!!!

YEP !!!!
 8)

(To express how much I loved this episode, I may even add this show back on my list.  :o Will need you to remind me when it starts, Jimmy  ;))


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on December 26, 2014, 09:11:57 AM
Will do Perry!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on December 26, 2014, 04:33:15 PM
Will do Perry!

 8) Thank ya


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on January 07, 2015, 09:36:52 AM
Was able to set the DVR to record the new episodes, Jimmy. No help needed (but maybe just a reminder to make sure ... maybe ...  ;D)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on January 07, 2015, 09:50:28 AM
We got 2 weeks yet. LIke, exactly 2 weeks yet.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on January 11, 2015, 10:11:05 PM
Still catching up and finished part one of the Arrow crossover earlier tonight.  Well dang if that didn't get me interested in Arrow again.  I had only made it through the pilot and part of the 2nd episode.  Now I'm through episode 4.  I see more binge watching in my future.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on January 12, 2015, 06:38:27 AM
Hey mister!!! You keep that darn Arrow talk out of this here Flash thread !!!

 :D :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on January 12, 2015, 10:55:01 AM
And Golden Globe winner The Flash is fully renewed for Season 2 !!!! Wahooo!!!!

Talks of a yearly Arrow/Flash crossover have surfaced; how cool is that?!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on January 12, 2015, 11:52:03 AM
Yay for part one of that.  8) ;D

Virtually brain numbing for the other.  ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on January 22, 2015, 09:44:00 PM
Great for all this too. At one point, I wasn't buying the whole 2 guns against the Flash, but other parts of it I did. It's tv, they'll do the best they can. LOVED the ending; so Geoff Johns! SO, SO Geoff Johns. Still got it when it comes to Cold and the Flash!

Irksome moment? Iris just shoves her way to the front of the police line. Ugh. Just to shoehorn the female lead into the show. I hate that with every series. It's why they only keep the secret from her for so long. Otherwise, it's a tedious part that is obnoxious to do.

Hence, why Lana soooo wore out her welcome (as a written character by the show) on Smallville, and Chloe just rose to the top of the charts for fans. Lois too.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on January 23, 2015, 01:12:02 PM
Wow, you'll give Jeff the benefit of spoilers, but for Perry ... oh no. No spoiler label for him
 :D
My own fault for continuing to read when I could tell where it was going
 :)

I did manage to stop reading about half way through, as I think I saw just a little too much. Be back soon to discuss, as I've yet to watch the episode. That is all I wanted to say
 :P


 ;) ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on January 23, 2015, 10:24:26 PM
Wow, you'll give Jeff the benefit of spoilers, but for Perry ... oh no. No spoiler label for him
 :D
My own fault for continuing to read when I could tell where it was going
 :)

I did manage to stop reading about half way through, as I think I saw just a little too much. Be back soon to discuss, as I've yet to watch the episode. That is all I wanted to say
 :P


What? I spoiled nothing, Sir! :p

Once you read it fully, you'll see that I did protect you here. I may expect an "oops, my bad"   8)

just kidding. Enjoy the show. ;)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on January 24, 2015, 05:37:50 AM
 ;D
I look forward to apologizing.

(Can't believe I didn't watch it last night!  >:()


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on January 25, 2015, 05:43:46 PM
Irksome moment? Iris just shoves her way to the front of the police line. Ugh.

That
and they couldn't think to just make the riot shields full length. Like that Cold gun can't just freeze their damn legs?

Still, other that those couple issues it was another enjoyable episode. Not sure I am looking forward to next week as that looks like an episode I will have issues with  :D, but this one was pretty good. 
Nice to see the guys back in orange prison suits again. That is the guys from Prison Break, right?
I never watched that show, but I have seen enough previews of it and it looks like them. If it is, I just now noticed that it was. I mean, I noticed it early in this episode, but still, didn't notice it prior
 ;D

Oh and I checked on that comic that Barry had in his little red back-pack, what was it, his nerd something?  ;D  THIS (http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=162495) is the issue in question and Iris is completely wrong, it is only valued at cover price  ;) (unless she meant it had sentimental value  ;D)

Also, a DC question, did DC ever make an acronym for Firestorm like they did on the show? I don't remember that, but they could have done it with the new 52 or I just missed it from the old DC. Just wondering.



Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on January 25, 2015, 07:04:52 PM
Yup; those 2 were brothers in 'Prison Break.'

I worry about the Pied Piper translation into a tv character. Not sure if it'll be cool...(like Captain Boomerang was!!!!) or if it'll be like...that Arrow SPOILER
Cupid chick
.

And Space Ghost? Nobody is paying premium price for Space Ghost! Saw that too and laughed! :D

I know that I don't recall anything ever broken down to be F.I.R.E.S.T.O.R.M. in the comics. Seems extremely silly for an acronym like that with the show actively calling the man in the yellow suit 'Reverse-Flash.' Why not just let him call himself Firestorm and be done with it?



Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on January 26, 2015, 07:48:44 AM
I need to catch up.  Trying not to read this thread until I do.   ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on January 30, 2015, 07:37:02 PM
Well this past episodes villain was not portrayed as badly as the previews made it look, so I was happy to see that. Pretty good episode actually, though I did find what I think bothers me the most about this (and even more with Arrow). I really picked up on it when "the team" was just looking so let down by Dr. Wells 'action'. It is that the characters are just flat out ostentatious with their indignation.  ;D I mean that is as close to a perfect description as one can make. They are showing their indignation by way of being pretentious.  :D It is like suddenly this high horse appears and everyone must jump on top of it at least one scene an episode. It's not over acting, its over directing. These characters are sometimes forced to act like their mom and dad just told them there is no Santa Claus.
 ;D

Anyway, still a very enjoyable episode.  ;D

I will say that I did have two issues with the Piper, but they are more funny issues than story issues as they are both costume related and not something I am really mad about.
 ;)

1) This Piper is gay. There is no way any outed gay male is going to dress in total, head-to-toe solid black. Oh hell no! Where is the contrast? Where is the style? At least put on a bright belt or something!
 :D

2) This Piper slams the Cisco for wearing a "Han Shot First" t-shirt but then he later dresses like F'n Emperor Palpatine? Jealy much or something?
 ;D

I also liked the inclusion of a certain "gang" in this one, even though it was through slight of hand, Easter Eggy'ness (until we are told later by Joe) but they are now in play at least and that can't be bad, right?
 :)

And is Thawn getting closer to ... well you know ... or what?  ;)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on January 31, 2015, 10:59:20 PM
Actually, comic Piper is gay too.

Interesting main point in first paragraph. Never looked at it in that way, but I really feel you hit the nail on the head with that analysis.

And Piper's abilities certainly carried off better in the show than I thought they would. I had hoped a teensie bit that when Hartley was telling Cisco that Cisco would let Hartley walk free we would see some sonic mind control stuff-ala the comic version! But no.

Still, a very cleverly done character rendition who added more than just a fight, and had many full reasons for acting the way he did with motivations all his own. Looking forward to more!

His hoody top over his suit was a little bit more than just 'lame' too. :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on February 01, 2015, 06:29:46 AM
Actually, comic Piper is gay too.

Ahhhh, never knew that. Good for DC.

Of course looking back at some of the issues I have read ... of course the Piper is gay  ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on February 07, 2015, 10:35:10 AM
Well this past weeks episode was probably one of my favorites, and I am NOT a fan of the main villain. It was just a very well done episode all around. The "CW attitude" that I have the most trouble with was pretty much nonexistent and in fact there was a seen where I just knew it was coming and they didn't do it. So Yay for them.

Question however, especially relating to this weeks villain, how do they feed the prisoners they are keeping locked away? Again, especially with this week's bad guy?


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on February 08, 2015, 09:15:22 AM
Question however, especially relating to this weeks villain, how do they feed the prisoners they are keeping locked away? Again, especially with this week's bad guy?

COMICS!!!!

Those are questions that don't get asked, so we don't have to worry about the answers!!

After all; does Star Labs still make money? Doing what?

Is Barry the ONLY forensic pathologist on the force? Are Jesse and Eddie the only detectives? Is Lance the only detective in Starling City?

Ollie lost his company (& presumably his home)-but is he still billionaire poor? Or poor/poor?

COMICS!!!!

Those are things to not explain.  ;)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: G:The Last Man on February 08, 2015, 10:24:33 AM
But what about this week's ending?   8)



Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on February 08, 2015, 02:06:04 PM
But what about this week's ending?   8)



It was very well done  :) Surprised as I thought they wouldn't show ... that character ... because of the cost associated with the effects or ... costume
 ;D

Question however, especially relating to this weeks villain, how do they feed the prisoners they are keeping locked away? Again, especially with this week's bad guy?

COMICS!!!!

Those are questions that don't get asked, so we don't have to worry about the answers!!

After all; does Star Labs still make money? Doing what?

Is Barry the ONLY forensic pathologist on the force? Are Jesse and Eddie the only detectives? Is Lance the only detective in Starling City?

Ollie lost his company (& presumably his home)-but is he still billionaire poor? Or poor/poor?

COMICS!!!!

Those are things to not explain.  ;)

 :D
Well I can understand the COMICS rationale, just like Star Trek's SCIENCE  ;D, but I was just wondering if they ever mentioned anything about it and I just missed it.

If it goes under the same rule of characters never needing to use the bathroom to poop that is all fine, but just curious.
 :)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: jedicow on February 22, 2015, 06:21:53 AM
i am probably a little late to the party for this, but I have been behind in my viewing and just watched the last 4 episodes over the past 2 days. 

I think Harrison wells is really....

barry allen.  more specifically, the barry allen who disappeared in the "crisis" alluded to in the newspaper headline from the future which he was looking at earlier in the season.  I think he somehow found himself in the past and put things in motion to possibly stop whatever crisis is coming from happeneing.

what sayest thou, fellow realmers?


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on February 22, 2015, 08:10:38 AM
Me likey!!!!

EDIT - But wait, thinking on it more
"the man in yellow" did kill his mom, why would Barry from the future put that costume on? I mean, I guess to invoke the drive in younger Barry to get better, stronger and faster, I suppose. Your idea does make a lot of sense as to why the good doctor is "helping" Barry, but putting on the outfit of your mothers killer is a little ... odd and creepy ... yeah?

And of course - EDIT 2  ;D - You posting this idea, led me into a fast little research of the show, and I came across something I didn't know and am kinda shocked no-one has brought it up (of course now I need to go back and see if someone did bring it up  :D) ... that the name of the uber-mechanic on this Flash show - Cisco Ramon - is the name of
the DC comic character Vibe!!!
WTF? How am I just now getting this information?

 :o
 :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on February 22, 2015, 08:51:29 AM
I think Harrison wells is really....

barry allen.  more specifically, the barry allen who disappeared in the "crisis" alluded to in the newspaper headline from the future which he was looking at earlier in the season.  I think he somehow found himself in the past and put things in motion to possibly stop whatever crisis is coming from happeneing.

what sayest thou, fellow realmers?

As I looked over the thread, I realized I never discussed this very point! :)

I've talked about it with friends, but never brought the point up here until now. This is certainly an angle I'm still considering to actually occur. Thanks for bringing it up here jedicow!

Think about it:

Wells and Barry even visually look a little like each other. Imagine Barry in 10 years disappears during the Red Skies event (like the paper says), goes back in time 25 years+, is involved with the murder of Mrs. Allen, then lives those 15 years until the particle accelerator accident. That adds another 25 years to his life, and since Barry is 25 years old right now, that puts him near to 50...which is what Wells looks like. Hell, if you analyze some prior eps, Wells cadence of speech is similar to Barry's speech too. That, and Wells is very up on all the  math and speeds for things to occur as the Flash.

1. The older Allen blood marker? That doesn't mean it's current Barry blood; it could be future Barry blood too! The man in yellow may still be a Thawne-Zoom. Imagine future Barry back in the past to stop his mothers murder (hence his disappearance), can't stop the murder, but kills Zoom. Now, perhaps for some reason he loses his speed powers, but Zoom is different and that Zoom collects tachyons for speed (as what that computer keeps saying to Wells, and why he stole that device); hence, why future Barry takes the suit of the murderer and uses it for his own. Perhaps this future Barry wasn't ready to do what he should have done to stop Zoom earlier, so he now figures he'll harden current Barry to be ready to kill Zoom earlier-and then now be able to save his mother's life.

2. I also subscribe to the fact that there will be 2 Zooms. I'm just not sure that Wells is Eobard Thawne. Doesn't seem right for what Thawne would want to do.

3. WHAT if, due to all the future tech with him, Wells is actually from the 30th century, and he happens to be Impulse's evil clone? ;D ha! that'd be a riot!!

The thing  wondered, why does Wells reveal himself now? In this manner? I can't wait for the March 17th ep, but why drop the charade now? Does someone get that too close to finding out his secret, so he has to push his time table up?

Also Perry, yeah, he's comic vibe. And Caitlin is comic Killer Frost too! ;)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on February 22, 2015, 09:20:39 AM
... And Caitlin is comic Killer Frost too! ;)

I looked that one up as soon as I saw the love angle with Ronnie Raymond early on  ;D (I remember my Pat Broderick Fury of Firestorm issues  ;)) But yeah, totally missed the Vibe thing
 :(


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on February 22, 2015, 10:07:41 AM
Yeah I got clued into Killer Frost and Vibe about a month ago.  The context I heard it in was like everyone already knew and I was late to the party so I didn't post it. :-[



Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on February 22, 2015, 01:41:22 PM
... And Caitlin is comic Killer Frost too! ;)

I looked that one up as soon as I saw the love angle with Ronnie Raymond early on  ;D (I remember my Pat Broderick Fury of Firestorm issues  ;)) But yeah, totally missed the Vibe thing
 :(


Speaking of Pat Broderick-I'm reading the Great Darkness Saga from Levitz's LoSH; guess who the artist is? :)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on February 22, 2015, 06:26:54 PM
Speaking of Pat Broderick-I'm reading the Great Darkness Saga from Levitz's LoSH; guess who the artist is? :)

That was Broderick? I thought it was ... dude that did AMBUSH BUG  ...

EDIT - Yeah, Jimmy, That was Keith Giffen that did that.

EDIT 2 - Well I guess Broderick did do the lead-in ... kinda. He did a few issues leading up to it anyway, so yeah, I guess that qualifies. If you are reading in collected format at least.
  ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on February 22, 2015, 07:03:11 PM
Speaking of Pat Broderick-I'm reading the Great Darkness Saga from Levitz's LoSH; guess who the artist is? :)

That was Broderick? I thought it was ... dude that did AMBUSH BUG  ...

EDIT - Yeah, Jimmy, That was Keith Giffen that did that.

EDIT 2 - Well I guess Broderick did do the lead-in ... kinda. He did a few issues leading up to it anyway, so yeah, I guess that qualifies. If you are reading in collected format at least.
  ;D

In the trade, all the lead up is him as primary artist; yeah. Although, visually paging through the book, it doesn't look like that much of a change when it's listed as Giffen as solo artist.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on February 22, 2015, 07:15:13 PM
No, I can agree that they do blend well with little distraction. In fact, I don't think my younger me even noticed it was two different pencils at the time and if I did, I wasn't taken aback.
 :)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on February 26, 2015, 11:25:16 PM
The CW trying to get me to add another show to my DVR?

BC says maybe - HERE (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/02/26/cw-contemplating-super-hero-team-show/)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on February 27, 2015, 07:43:39 AM
Whatever DC's media is doing for television, they are killing it. Guggenheim can help put good things in place, Berlianti, Kreisberg, Sokolowski; just doing good work, and I'm enjoying it!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on February 27, 2015, 09:17:04 AM
Sounds great!  Now if I can just catch up on the current shows.....


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on February 27, 2015, 09:31:20 AM
Sounds great!  Now if I can just catch up on the current shows.....

Do it, Jeff! You got 3 weeks until Flash & Arrow return!!! ;)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on February 27, 2015, 10:51:22 AM
Guggenheim can help put good things in place ...

Well hopefully, like the Flash, he will have nothing to do with this! Keep him on Arrow and away from everything else and I will be happy.
 :)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on February 27, 2015, 11:01:06 AM
Guggenheim can help put good things in place ...

Well hopefully, like the Flash, he will have nothing to do with this! Keep him on Arrow and away from everything else and I will be happy.
 :)

I've come to believe he's a 'big idea' kinda guy, and that it's best if offer more competent writers come in to do the dirty work like "story continuity" or characterization, or plot hooks and resolutions to the rising narrative. ;)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on February 27, 2015, 11:08:56 AM
That's a cool way of thinking.

I however have come to believe that I want nothing to do with anything he has his hands in  :D

(Meaning one day, I will come here and praise something to the highest of glory, state it is the best thing every made, produced or thought of and that 'thing' in which I applaud will be the brainchild of Guggenheim)

 :D :D ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on March 18, 2015, 08:57:19 PM
SOOOOOO OGoooddd!!!

Can't wait to see next week! Argh! 7 more days! So much work before then. ARGH!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on March 19, 2015, 04:32:03 AM
Oh man your not kidding.  At least two jaw dropping moments.  Best part? The fact that my daughter keeps talking about it with me the next day!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on March 26, 2015, 06:00:59 AM
Okay, I'll say it. Didn't like the gold gun. Nope. Not that I wanted a figure skating light blasting hypnotist either, but not a gold gun wielding sister. ::)

That said, I really like watching this Cold rendition. I dig this guy. I know he'll be more on the spin off show, but there's a part of me that would like to see him and his Rogues operating each week on the Flash show, almost independent of the Flash's storylines. Kinda like when Johns really made them their own entity in his writing of Flash.

We got to watch Michael Rosenbaum do all kinds of Lex things without Clark knowing in Smallville for years; why not let Cold run his own crew alongside Flash heroics? :)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on March 26, 2015, 01:29:36 PM
I also was ... let down by the addition of the "Gold Gun". And, like Jimmy, I wasn't excited at the thought of an ice skater either, but would rather have had her wield a "golden knife" "golden sword" or "blade" (to tie into her ice skating comic past). She use to slice people up but good in the comics with her skate blades, why not keep her on the same path here?

That aside, I found the ebo busting episode to be pretty fun. Loved how Barry was in shock that Iris wanted nothing to do with him yet also glad he found a way out by having a very smart female friend come up with something.
 ;D

And while I wasn't blown away by Cold at first, having grown up on the Silver-Age version more-so than the latter version, he has certainly growing on me more and more, and finding him almost a perfect guy for the role.

I am totally psyched about next weeks, but I am also very, very worried it may come across as too ... aged (cheezy). Still, I am looking forward to it.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on April 01, 2015, 08:25:14 PM
SWEET JEEBUS. This. Show.

If Arrow has taught anything to superhero tv, it's that you hold NOTHING back. You try to make every episode like it's your last.

I...I'm floored. I feel ABSOLUTELY terrible for the true person that was Harrison Welles. He was just...coldly murdered. Him, Tess; that moment. My heart sank. I felt so terrible for the life that they were going to have (because THEY WERE going to have that life; Eobard new about, but couldn't wait around for it.) I mean, I just...I was rocked. I can't even say why, for myself, or for what inside me, was just hit, or resonated SO MUCH with that moment of the true Welles death. Perhaps it's seeing your love dying/dead beside you. The incredulous situation he found himself in with this man speaking nonsense, and not doing a damned thing to help. It just...hurt to feel that situation.

The Flash and Zoom racing and fighting in this ep was damned cool. Well, the breaking of the time barrier, them exploding forth, the arms chugging, the lightning zipping around, too damned cool for me.

And Hamill! Loved him. Each sinister part, each goofy aspect, each cold moment, each scene chewing moment, I loved it all and dug it to death. Can't wait to see him back around again!

Then...letting Eddie in on it? Oh boy, there is going to be some awful moments in that friendship. Eddie actor just nailed that moment of stunned astonishment too.

And 2 more weeks before anything!!!

Listen, I know I'm nerdgasming right now, but if I enjoy it, and I'm allowing myself to look past some hokey tv or comic situations without being insulted, then I'm drinking the biggest pitcher of Kool-aid I can and go full-on cult lavishing this. I see no reason to hold back feeling good about spending my time on this, be it watching or posting. :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on April 02, 2015, 07:33:54 PM
I AM YOUR FATHER!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on April 04, 2015, 08:31:45 PM
I AM YOUR FATHER!

Jeez man, Im glad I watched the episode first, prior to coming to this thread. Are you not the one that put the spoiler option up?  :D

Yes, as soon as he said it was a blood reason we all knew what was coming.
 :)

SWEET JEEBUS. This. Show.

If Arrow has taught anything to superhero tv, it's that you hold NOTHING back. You try to make every episode like it's your last.

I...I'm floored. I feel ABSOLUTELY terrible for the true person that was Harrison Welles. He was just...coldly murdered. Him, Tess; that moment. My heart sank. I felt so terrible for the life that they were going to have (because THEY WERE going to have that life; Eobard new about, but couldn't wait around for it.) I mean, I just...I was rocked. I can't even say why, for myself, or for what inside me, was just hit, or resonated SO MUCH with that moment of the true Welles death. Perhaps it's seeing your love dying/dead beside you. The incredulous situation he found himself in with this man speaking nonsense, and not doing a damned thing to help. It just...hurt to feel that situation.

The Flash and Zoom racing and fighting in this ep was damned cool. Well, the breaking of the time barrier, them exploding forth, the arms chugging, the lightning zipping around, too damned cool for me.

And Hamill! Loved him. Each sinister part, each goofy aspect, each cold moment, each scene chewing moment, I loved it all and dug it to death. Can't wait to see him back around again!

Then...letting Eddie in on it? Oh boy, there is going to be some awful moments in that friendship. Eddie actor just nailed that moment of stunned astonishment too.

And 2 more weeks before anything!!!

Listen, I know I'm nerdgasming right now, but if I enjoy it, and I'm allowing myself to look past some hokey tv or comic situations without being insulted, then I'm drinking the biggest pitcher of Kool-aid I can and go full-on cult lavishing this. I see no reason to hold back feeling good about spending my time on this, be it watching or posting. :D

Yes, it was a little too comic booky at times, but this show seems to handle it pretty well. Even though I don't want this to be the norm
(Breaking into a prison because all the cops in the city are searching for a bomb was a little too Nolan Batman to me ... Yes, I had a huge issue with that similar premise in that movie)
it was still good enough that, like you were saying, there is no reason to hold back feeling good about this show.

I liked a lot here. I liked
the way his dad looked at the camera when he said -
"The Flash will win" (or whatever it was ... I forget now, but when he was tied to the chair he said that and looked, glancing, right at the camera.

I liked the phasing, though thought it was really stupid to phase through a gas truck when you are trying to lose a bomb that is strapped to your wrist  ::)

I also felt really bad for the real Harrison Wells, but I am at the same time glad I saw that. I was getting to like Well's a little too much and needed to be reminded that he is a bad guy. Stop thinking he is misunderstood. I saw him kill people including Cisco.  What am I doing starting to like the guy? :D

As far as showing himself to Eddie? Not getting that. It has to be part of an upcoming plot, but there was no reason for him to show himself. Just have her dad tell Eddie to talk to here about it or him and Flash still in costume. I mean, I guess it showed how important it was that she stop, but I question how the reached that being the last option or the best option.

Really did appreciate Mark Hamill using a different laugh than his Joker one. I was really scared they were gonna throw that in as it was the "Trickster"

Really fun episode, even with the "oh come on, really?" moments.

Oh and I couldn't find the remote fast enough to stop the previews (I never watch any previews of the next week on any of the shows I watch as I want to experience them as I watch) or the coming up this year preview as it were, but I hope
the Arrow coming over once more to Flash will again not be a tie-in that I have to watch both Flash and Arrow but only the Flash. And I hope they get that new team of Atom, FireStorm, Black Canary and Captain Cold show together here and not Arrow as well, but I don't think that will happen. Will not be THAT lucky  ;D (But mainly I truly hope that the only thing Guggenhiem is involved in with this new show is putting it together and then just walking the fuck away.
 >:(



Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on April 04, 2015, 09:09:04 PM
As far as showing himself to Eddie? Not getting that. It has to be part of an upcoming plot, but there was no reason for him to show himself. Just have her dad tell Eddie to talk to here about it or him and Flash still in costume. I mean, I guess it showed how important it was that she stop, but I question how the reached that being the last option or the best option.


I agree with you on that.  Besides....
Why would he tell Eddie and not Iris?  I mean if he would just tell her then she would stop.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on April 05, 2015, 04:12:27 AM
I agree with you on that.  Besides....
Why would he tell Eddie and not Iris?  I mean if he would just tell her then she would stop.

Exactly


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on April 08, 2015, 04:00:00 AM
Coming up on Flash ... and possibly Arrow ...




The Atom can fly? I mean, like booster pack / jet propulsion fly?

 :-\

EDIT - and possible major "end of season" spoiler ... Caution ... Last warning ...
 ;D

You can tell this is where we are gonna start to see our beloved little tech start to show herself or become - Killer Frost. And by "our beloved little tech" I mean Ms Frost of course, not the super cute Arrow beloved little tech  :D

Uh-huh. I bet, I bet. Ending scene perhaps?
 :)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on April 08, 2015, 06:09:45 AM


The Atom can fly? I mean, like booster pack / jet propulsion fly?

Indeed; that's been the route they've taken. Oh sure
he has other miniaturized tech that he uses, but so far, no super shrinking for the Atom


This trailer I hadn't seen yet either. Man...what a thought to voice that Cisco & Kaitlin might be helping Welles and know certain things! 5 more eps! So good!!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on April 12, 2015, 08:04:14 PM
Starts this week!

FINAL FIVE!!!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on April 13, 2015, 08:39:39 AM
Starts this week!

FINAL FIVE!!!!

Thank goodness!  Hannah asks me everyday if we can watch the Flash!  Driving me crazy!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on April 13, 2015, 10:52:14 AM
Can. Not. Wait. Though it is painfully obvious I have to  :-\


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on April 13, 2015, 11:08:06 AM
Well, I kept the last issue, er, episode on the dvr, so I can watch it again before the new one airs tomorrow!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on April 14, 2015, 07:10:35 PM
AND WE'RE BACK......!!!

Super Hero Team up! That Atom suit and uses look better and better each time out, and man, tv cgi has come a LONG way.

It's a bit of a wanker episode though. Final tension of the boss fight and her motivations were weak-like 60's comics villain exposition weak. It truly only served as a vehicle to get the crossover to work together.

and its the crossover that makes the rest of the ep work. Ray works so well with this group. He, and this Atom presentation, are such...good guys. It's hard to see him do well in Starling! That, and his story in Arrow has been a sider note to Ollie's story...but I digress.

It's fun to see that even though the future was changed...that time still occurred? So Cisco is starting to recall remember it? Hmm....as long as it serves internal story logic, sure, why not.

Iris works much better in any scene where she's not opposite Barry. Her relationship issues with Eddie, as seen by the last scene, are done well, seem 'real' and have consequence. The stuff with Barry on the couch is CW melodrama. HA!  8)

Super excited for next weeks ep! More crossover!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on April 20, 2015, 06:17:01 AM
I love this show and
I love seeing some Emily Rickards (Felicity Smoak) and I enjoyed seeing our girl 'Beth' from the Walking Dead revived, if only to "bee" a villain (  ;D yeah, I went there .. haha) but not one of the better episodes really. Other than at the very end when I wanted another 15 minutes of this episode!!!!!
 ;D

And also, I hate ... just absolutely hate
that the Atom can fly. I asked Jimmy about that and he said they did do that in the comic at some point, so I am glad I can't condemn the makers of the show for going out there, but having Atom have the ability to fly just takes away from his name. Yes, I am aware that atoms can "fly" around (and Electrons themselves do so much more) but to me, he is just a cheap Iron Man knock off now instead of being the great character he could be.

A few nit-picks here -
Atom says the bees can't penetrate his uniform or outfit ... costume, yet his face is almost completely open. Bees couldn't have gotten him there?

When Cisco saves Ray, both Ray and Felicity have their backs turned or not paying attention anyway. They then turn around and see Cisco holding his neck. They have no knowledge of what happened to him other than he was stung. Ray then concludes that Cisco saved him (Ray)? Man, is that an ego or what?  ;D How do you know he just didn't get stung because he was there or that he was the target? He literally didn't see a damn thing.

And lastly, again, I have to ask ... Why in the @#&% did Barry unmask to Eddie? Now all it is doing is causing problems with Eddie and Iris with no other benefit to anyone at all. And what guy is going to let his woman, his love, get pissed like that about a situation like this? Not me, I would be all "Barry, you need to tell her or I am. I aint losing my night-time lovin' because you showed me your face for some damn reason that makes no sense"
 :D

EDIT -
And why did the bees attack Barry after they flew out of the guys mouth? They were programmed to attack the one guy not Barry. And if they just attacked him because he was there, why didn't they attack Joe when he arrived to save Barry?   ;)

Still loving the show and look forward to next week !!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on April 21, 2015, 07:22:53 PM
Who is Harrison Welles?

A bit of a blah episode to me. More about the characters playing off each other, and it's a bit weak at that. I think the best part was the road conversation between West and Lance, as the double entendre and double meanings apropos for each others lives' really was a smart bit of writing.

I always laughed really hard at "here is a list of people who said they were innocent of crimes in the last year" No shit, right? They said they didn't do it? lol

This CW show just happened to break down in trying to be a bit more cop procedural, and it just really showed that the writers don't write a cop procedural.

But next week looks like a smooth bit of ass whupping!!!  8)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on April 25, 2015, 03:26:05 PM
This was the worst episode of the Flash I have seen.

This was bad all over the place, from ridiculous law hyperbole (Suddenly at least six people charged with the crimes have an alibi so now they are released? And can't you just check Thawns gun to see if it had fired any shots?) to ridiculous powers (how does a guy that can change into "ANYBODY" suddenly get the power to also arm himself with guns and pepper spray that the original bodies where carrying?) to cops being stupid (you know your "partner" is the Flash, but when a villain escapes, he runs to the front door and you see the bad guy at the back door you don't yell "FLASH, OVER HERE!"?) to at least five or six other problems. Ugh. This was bad.

The last three scenes saved it for me though.

One Cisco discovering the room and then three, two them going in the room and three Barry seeing the headline " Flash disappears during  "Crisis"  ;D

But what I want to know, did anyone see ...
right after that scene when Joe and the Doc were leaving each other, the camera panned to show that huge plaque ... and it was the Justice League !!!! I got Green Arrow, Wonder Woman, Flash and Aquaman. There are three left, the center guy (Zues) is suppose to be Supes I think, but I can't see an "S", to his left, our right I guess is Batman (is that a bat on his head? What is in his hands? The batbelt? and the lower left, with the fire at the bottom, is that Martian Manhunter or Cyborg? It looks like he is holding a hammer and there is fire, so maybe he is suppose to Hephaestus and thus metal/Cyborg?

Of course maybe I was just seeing things in the Greek Gods pictured and all it was what an image of the Gods of Olympus?


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on April 26, 2015, 01:00:11 PM
This was the worst episode of the Flash I have seen.

This was bad all over the place, from ridiculous law hyperbole (Suddenly at least six people charged with the crimes have an alibi so now they are released? And can't you just check Thawns gun to see if it had fired any shots?) to ridiculous powers (how does a guy that can change into "ANYBODY" suddenly get the power to also arm himself with guns and pepper spray that the original bodies where carrying?) to cops being stupid (you know your "partner" is the Flash, but when a villain escapes, he runs to the front door and you see the bad guy at the back door you don't yell "FLASH, OVER HERE!"?) to at least five or six other problems. Ugh. This was bad.

We agree. Fully. On all issues alluded to.

The last three scenes saved it for me though.

Quote

But what I want to know, did anyone see ...
right after that scene when Joe and the Doc were leaving each other, the camera panned to show that huge plaque ... and it was the Justice League !!!! I got Green Arrow, Wonder Woman, Flash and Aquaman. There are three left, the center guy (Zues) is suppose to be Supes I think, but I can't see an "S", to his left, our right I guess is Batman (is that a bat on his head? What is in his hands? The batbelt? and the lower left, with the fire at the bottom, is that Martian Manhunter or Cyborg? It looks like he is holding a hammer and there is fire, so maybe he is suppose to Hephaestus and thus metal/Cyborg?

Of course maybe I was just seeing things in the Greek Gods pictured and all it was what an image of the Gods of Olympus?

Always been there Perry. ;) It was a fun mini-easter egg from the first episode, having the greek gods there paralleling the League.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on April 26, 2015, 01:26:00 PM
Always been there Perry. ;) It was a fun mini-easter egg from the first episode, having the greek gods there paralleling the League.

 :D  ;D       >:(

 ;D :D
I thought I'd seen it before, but for some reason the "Justice" word just really stuck out for me this time. Almost like a new plaque.
 ;D
Shit
 :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on April 30, 2015, 03:37:29 AM
Putting this here for some reason, maybe because I still haven't watched this weeks episode yet and this is kinda related so ... Okay, I don't know why, but here it is.

We all know that the big two have treated creators like shit at times. From denying usage pay to downright thievery, but I saw this today and just had to shake my head in shame. Shame that a U.S company would treat one of it's own in such a bullshit manner (not surprised by it mind you)

So Gerry Conway (and Al Milgrom) have apparently brought up the case to DC or their lawyers about them using their character Killer Frost in this new Flash show, without any compensation for them being the creators. Well DC responded with something that will just have your head spinning.
 :D

Conway writes - (Clipped from HERE (http://screenrant.com/dc-comics-creator-policy-criticism/) ... and you really should read the entire article)

"You’ll be pleased to hear (I hope) that DC agrees I and Al Milgrom are the co-creators of all manifestations of “Killer Frost.” We are also considered the co-creators of Crystal Frost. And, of course, by the twisted logic that credits Power Girl as a derivation of Superman, Al and I must also be the creators of Killer Frost’s New 52 secret identity, Caitlin Snow. Right? No. We’re not. And DC insists we are not. And I agree with DC. Caitlin Snow was created by Sterling Gates and Derlis Santacruz.
Except, according to DC Entertainment, she wasn’t. Because she was “derived” from the original creation of Killer Frost. Which means Al Milgrom and I created her. Except, according to DC Entertainment, we didn’t. Nobody created her. Or, rather, nobody gets credit and creator equity participation for creating her.
And that, my friends, is truly obnoxious and despicable."

Wow!
 ::)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on April 30, 2015, 08:58:33 PM
All I can muster currently is


"grrrrrr..........."

 >:(


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on May 01, 2015, 08:31:54 AM
This weeks episode was great.  BUT - Next weeks is the one I've been waiting for all season!



Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on May 07, 2015, 08:37:57 AM
Without spoilery stuff....man, these shows (Arrow & Flash) do some amazing things at eps 19, then let it simmer back down until season finale. VERY glad to see Grodd here; but the show is definitely a bit on the easy roil since the fit hit the shan with Reverse Flash reveals.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on May 07, 2015, 07:04:56 PM
I could have done with a little more "Jaws" like Grodd. Instead of the barrels trick to make up for the creature not working or looking right, use shadows, sounds and vocals.

Grodd just looked awful at times. I know you're on a budget, but show us the power by not showing us everything sometimes.

And Candice Patton is a much better actress than anything else on CW.  Her Iris is fantastic when emotions are needed. Still a little too dramatic with the directing, but this girl goes above and beyond the teen channel skills.
Major props to her.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on May 07, 2015, 10:20:51 PM
And Candice Patton is a much better actress than anything else on CW.  Her Iris is fantastic when emotions are needed. Still a little too dramatic with the directing, but this girl goes above and beyond the teen channel skills.
Major props to her.

Wow....I woulda thought that you would have hated her most on this show! Mostly because she's had to fill in as the girlfriend of both hero and human side of the same person. The tweeny angst, etc etc. To be fair, she'll probably be a bit better from this point forward, as the stories don't have to duck around her, but I won't lie that I think she's the one I like least on the show.

Cisco's personality has really grown on me; so much that I just know he's that kind of a geek, so it's fun to watch him just be him. Kaitlin...well...she's been a bit of a cypher too, actually. She's the smarts, she had a deep personal hurt-that's been resolved-and now she's just like a member of HR at your company. Sure, she's helpful, but you aren't going to be best friends with her. Maybe if we continual to see more that she's been the one most betrayed by the secrets of this season.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on May 08, 2015, 04:12:31 AM
Do you like the character the least least or the actress the least, because I am only talking acting talent here. I meant that her tweeny angst is portrayed in a more milder, real life way than any of the other girls on these two shows. Between the Lance girls, Miss Snow and the cute Felicity (whom I sure like watching), Iris handles the emotional side with more composure and skill than all the other ladies. More standard acting and less daytime tv melodrama acting
 ;)

The character is .. well ... not nothing, as she is (or was) a major driving force for Barry, but let's just say used more as a foil, distraction or obstruction up until now. Hopefully
 :D

 


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on May 08, 2015, 07:27:22 AM
Do you like the character the least least or the actress the least,
Oh, character for sure. I mean, yeah, what character? She always shows up with the biggest smile; a smile that is oblivious to the world around her. No clue how deeply Barry loves her (but this happens in life too), oblivious to how serious Eddie is for her (but this happens in real life too...), hmm....I guess what I really haven't liked about the character is that her actions seem inconsequential to the lives of those around her. Barry and Eddie (and Joe) feel utterly the same way about her, no matter if she was dumb about something, smart and cagey, or worried. Hmm...gotta roll that around on my tongue to see if I made sense of what I said. More than ANYTHING-under utilized or just misrepresented.


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Between the Lance girls, Miss Snow and the cute Felicity (whom I sure like watching), Iris handles the emotional side with more composure and skill than all the other ladies. More standard acting and less daytime tv melodrama acting
 ;)


Up until they had Felicity be more of a crying shrinking violet the last 8 eps this season, I would for sure make the strongest case that she was far better than Iris in all those regards.

And as it is, since Iris was boring, I haven't watched to really gauge her. I will say, Iris is already FAAAAAR better than Laurel Sn 1 was, that's no doubt!! Iris certainly has worked better with little she's had in comparison!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on May 13, 2015, 04:24:09 PM
An okay episode, I guess.

I just don't
like it when Arrow is on the Flash. It doesn't ruin it or anything, it just seems forced. And what the heck is the deal with Firestorm. Does he just "flame On" and fly around?

Didn't much care for the "prisoner movement" thing either. Come on, Barry. Arrow couldn't help you with that but then what, 5 hours later he was ...whatever ... ugh

Hoping this comes back around and I am sure it will. It is just the last two have been kinda yukky for me.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on May 14, 2015, 09:18:56 PM
An okay episode, I guess.

I just don't
like it when Arrow is on the Flash. It doesn't ruin it or anything, it just seems forced. And what the heck is the deal with Firestorm. Does he just "flame On" and fly around?

Didn't much care for the "prisoner movement" thing either. Come on, Barry. Arrow couldn't help you with that but then what, 5 hours later he was ...whatever ... ugh

Ah...the vehicle of contrivance. You wonderful plot device. Was I fine with Barry calling in the calvary to help? Sure thing! It makes the villain that much more powerful that you need 3 to take him down. So, when he rears his ugly villainous head once more, and Barry does it by himself, then it'll be all the more worth it!

I did like the 3 headed hero. The reason that they got there was poor. I'm glad to see that Barry got proven that he can't be like the Arrow, but it was one big damned stretch for Barry to act like that-especially what he did for Snart. However, Snart was spot on for doing what he did in the manner he felt like doing it. So, kudos for that.

In a way...bad characterization lead to great characterization led to even greater personal revelations. But blah to to the very start of it. I wonder how far Joe will really let himself get pushed along by the Flash train of doing things.

Great moments with Eddie and Iris. At least Eddie got to get it off his chest that Barry was always a part of their relationship, even if Iris won't admit it.

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Hoping this comes back around and I am sure it will. It is just the last two have been kinda yukky for me.

Agree-ish on this. But man..that last ep looks like it's all coming off the rails!!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on May 16, 2015, 08:06:47 PM
I have mixed feelings on this episode.

I liked having the team up to take down Wells BUT I have to agree that having Arrow being part of it doesn't make sense.  ESPECIALLY with what is happening on his show.

I'm glad Eddie ended that relationship.  I was tired of it already.  But I get it that its the CW.

Overall I really did like the episode - just had those gripes.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on May 19, 2015, 09:04:03 PM
Holy shit, I was crying.  :o


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on May 21, 2015, 08:15:27 PM
Season Finale 'Fast Enough'

What an amazing first season. What a great way to show that a speedster can be fascinating to watch on tv, and what a way to show that you can FULLY embrace the costumes and wackiness of comics, and make it just sing!!

What a great inter-personal/relationship episode. Barry, simply looking for 'someone to tell me what to do.' Watching Henry say "don't change yourself! I love my son as the man I see before me!" Very aptly balanced with Joe giving Barry his blessing to (possibly) destroy the life they've lived together as father/son to allow Barry to grow up with his father and mother. What moments with these fathers. FANtastic!

Very good, thematically, to drive home the point to Barry that if he goes back in time for himself, he will (again, possibly) ruin other peoples' lives. Seeing Caitlin and Ronnie marry; that's a life they've found in this time. Who is Barry to possibly undo this?

Also, I feel so damned dumb for not even making the easy connection; why would Cisco have 'dream memories' of an alternate time line? Lazy writing? No, he's VIBE, you f'ing idiot! VIBE! Jimmy T, you just won the Dunce cap. Put it on!!

Cavanaugh as Eobard unleashed was very fun to watch. You can see and tell that yes, he truly respects, and grudingly cares for the team around him. Still, that doesn't ultimately mean everything to him, since this isn't home. His and Cisco's talk was great. As if Eobard wanted to slip into their old roles, and Cisco, almost like a stubborn teenager, wasn't having any of that. Very cool to know that Cavanaugh is still a series regular next season.

And...Eddie Thawn! WOW. What a hopeless, shameless moment for him. Hopeless, being that it seems the right thing to do. Shameless, in that he shouldn't feel shame for what he's done. No one would cast stones at him for what he's done, but hate that it happened.

BUT...being this is all time travel and paradoxes and what not (how great that a paradox singularity opened up when Eobard died!), what can we think to hope to expect? I don't know, but we also know that Earth-1 and Earth-2 are coming up, along with more (confirmed) speedsters.

But..lets go back to Barry, back in time, watching his mom get attacked. And Future Flash waves our Barry off from interfering. What...what a moment that Grant Gustin established with hid dying mom. He let her know that everyone is okay, and that everyone would BE okay. Dying, and the only thought is her family. What with my near-clinical depression the miscarriage tragedies of this year, the excellent moment of the show, yes, I lost it. Just f'ing lost it.

That's why it was sooooo awesome to see Flash flying out of the first singularity to smash the time bubble and lay the shit out of Zoom!!! That was a really cool fight right there too!!

And the time travel visions?! Ahk, so cool!!!!! Next season won't be here soon enough.

Next season just won't come soon enough. ;)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on May 27, 2015, 06:32:31 AM
What an amazing first season.

While I totally agree with you on this one, I have to ponder the accuracy of this ..

What a great way to show that a speedster can be fascinating to watch on tv, and what a way to show that you can FULLY embrace the costumes and wackiness of comics,

DC has not shown they can embrace the costumes at all. Sure they highlight ever-so briefly a lighter Flash costume, even writing one of their characters to say how cool it looks, but they have yet to grab that look, the original look, and run with it. Even every villain on the Flash was darkened down in some way. I understand you can't go totally balls out "like the comic", but what is wrong with that future Flash's look? They were just scared to go that route from the onset, rightfully so I can honestly say, but now ... let's get that damn suit on Barry!!!!!

They darken the hell of Superman (if there ever was a character that shouldn't have that done ...), and are creating a darker look for Wonder Woman (which I totally agree is the right call for her, if they do her well) all because their biggest success is the "Dark" Knight?

Tell ya what, if DC/CW/whomever comes back next year and Flash has that brighter, "future costume" on, I will say they have finally embraced the costumes. If not, they are still too scared. And now you are this successful, maybe they have another fear keeping you from changing?

Still don't want to undermine what they did with this show. it is fun, exciting with comic gems through-out ... just a really good show. Especially for comic fans, but even for those that are not.
 :)

Also ...
I think we are starting to see the effects in the comic shops of good comic shows and movies. For the first time sales are being influenced by these good shows/movies. Even slightly, it is a great thing.
 :)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on May 27, 2015, 06:45:06 AM
Oh, I'm sorry! I should have meant to say "DC tv shows". The movies? I have to exclude that my from thinking when I'm talking about the shows. ;)

And yes, the suits are turned down in their palettes (and they'll get to the proper suit yet), but they put him in a suit right away! With the goofy ear pieces right away! No 'Smallville' hiding for 10 years! That's what I enjoy. That they embrace putting people into costumes and  use the 'wackiness of comics.' All his main rogues make an appearance, they don't alter them too much (but I miss Wizard's weather control rod), and they refer to the man in yellow more as Reverse Flash than anything else until really late in the season.

That's what I meant. TV shows, not movies. ;)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on May 27, 2015, 07:00:35 AM
And yes, the suits are turned down in their palettes (and they'll get to the proper suit yet), but they put him in a suit right away! With the goofy ear pieces right away! No 'Smallville' hiding for 10 years! That's what I enjoy.

Ya know what ... me too. Good call actually. I didn't take Smallville into consideration at all. You are 100% correct, my man. when you compare the two, it is like night and day. I get what you mean now, for sure.

I too am glad to see they have made a push towards not only putting them into costumes more, but like you said ... that I totally went the wrong way with ... embracing the costumes. Making them just as much a part of the show as not.
 :)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on May 27, 2015, 08:42:24 AM
Heck, that was why Sn (9 & 10 of Smallville were fun. Hawkman was there! In costume! And Stargirl! And Dr. Fate! So cool to see costumes. Even the mock JLA team up they had in Sn....7? 8? was cool. Sure, everyone just had their colors in their hoodies, but at least the line up looked consistent and fun!


Ah....costumes.....

Stephen Amell has said he's put on the 'Arrow' suit for the last time....so...costume update methinks?! I hope!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on May 27, 2015, 10:59:26 AM
Well for you, I hope as well  ;D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on May 27, 2015, 06:52:32 PM
Once again, Jimmy nails it with his post episode summary.

Great finale.  But what a paradox.

 
Eddie kills himself to stop Reverse Flash. But if Reverse Flash is never born then he didn't come back in time.  If he doesn't come back then Eddie doesnt kill himself. So Reverse Flash is born. And we start all over.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on May 27, 2015, 08:23:04 PM
That was the angle I was missing, Jeff! Duh Jim, duh! what an idiot I was to not recognize what was bothering me about that whole thing. At least there was (semi-) confirmation that Sn 2 will start moments after the Sn 1's ending.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on May 28, 2015, 05:14:30 AM
 ;D Damn you, Jeff

Shit!!

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 :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Wringer on May 28, 2015, 07:34:23 PM
Great finale.  But what a paradox.

 
Eddie kills himself to stop Reverse Flash. But if Reverse Flash is never born then he didn't come back in time.  If he doesn't come back then Eddie doesnt kill himself. So Reverse Flash is born. And we start all over.

And it gets deeper...
with Reverse Flash having never existed, he couldn't go back in time and kill Barry's mother. in effect he does what Barry went back in time to do in the first place.  Reality should have shifted with Barry's family intact and no Flash unless it happens a different way then depicted

but tons of fun if you don't think too hard about it.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on May 28, 2015, 09:09:12 PM
I think I've read enough quantum physics and string theory books and listened to Neil DeGrasse Tyson talk enough to believe all this could be happening, since it would be continued new universes of exploration.

So yes, this could happen...and still be the way it's currently viewed...as long as we don't think of it along the line of linear thinking and linear storytelling.

After all, there 'technically' was no chance ever for  Eobard Thawne to come back in time, since 100 years in the future is so much further ahead than the day Eddie shot himself in the chest...which, again, was predicated by Eobard coming back!

Ah time travel stories...at some point all rationale will break down and not make sense after the final explanation...but since the show ended with a new singularity occurring...well, I think the writers have the right idea. Some bad 'fit hit the shan' and the universe is getting ready to clean it up by obliterating the offenders. :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on May 28, 2015, 09:14:39 PM
OR

Does time get set to the correct timeline that it was before Eobard decided to go back far enough to killy Barry's mother?

After all, in Eobard's time frame, he gained power/grew to hate Flash and be his worst enemy. Due to those fights, he then decided to go back, kill her, and that's when young Barry saw 2 speedsters.

Well, that doesn't happen.

What did happen (that we never saw) was that Barry grew up (presumably, yes) with both parents, Harrison Wells and wife took longer to make particle accelerator, Barry somehow still became the Flash, and eventually ended up making enemies or becoming enemies with Reverse Flash.

That world still saw Barry become Flash, still saw Barry get Iris....so perhaps we get to see that actual timeline unfold! Maybe Barry's dad gets to be a series regular on the outside of the bars! Maybe we get to know and love Barry's mom! And...Eddie ends up alive again!

But with only Cisco remembering!!!

Hell, this may be how Cailtin becomes Killer Frost. Maybe she has a different job (we know she did, before being brought on by Thawne/Wells, so maybe her own research led her to accidentally becoming Frost.

And, no matter what, some things always just occur. Like Firestorm's creation. Perhaps there is *some* fated happenstances.

See! Time travel talk is fun!! :D


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on July 06, 2015, 04:18:42 PM
Another fun thing...rewatching the season as I dvr it again.

During a flashback (of the Mist episode) just as the particle accelarator is about to be turned on for the first time. Welles stands and remarks that he should say something momentous. But, he just looks around the room and says "It feels like I've been waiting centuries for this moment." ;)

Or how about later in the same ep, when Caitlin is wondering how they are supposed to work 100 feet above a metahuman prison, Welles also just says "oh, you'd be amazed what you can get used to."

HA!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on July 06, 2015, 06:29:02 PM
When is Season 2 scheduled again?  :-\ I'm missing this.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on July 06, 2015, 08:10:38 PM
September I believe.


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on July 07, 2015, 05:19:53 AM
Okay, not too long.  :)


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on July 19, 2015, 07:00:29 AM
In the 'Blackout' episode, when Barry is being held up, on the wall next to him is a poster/flyer for some show or play about the duo of Nighthawk and Cinnamon in the wild west (Hawkman/Hawkgirl reference ;) )


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jimmy T on September 10, 2015, 07:49:11 AM
Oh boy...about a month or more....new trailers...Jay Garrick! Atom-Smasher!!!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Jeff on September 10, 2015, 08:28:21 AM
Oh boy...about a month or more....new trailers...Jay Garrick! Atom-Smasher!!!

Sweet!  Can't wait to see how they do Jay Garrick!


Title: Re: Flash Season 1
Post by: Perry on September 10, 2015, 10:47:58 AM
So ready for this show to kick off!