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Title: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on October 08, 2014, 07:21:43 AM
And it's here! Hoo boy, gotta go watch!!  : :)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on October 08, 2014, 10:05:04 PM
and...I really enjoyed it! Really liked it alot. Really just like watching where this show keeps going. So glad this show is going and going and well, going!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on October 09, 2014, 08:52:58 PM
What did you think of the surprise?


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on October 09, 2014, 09:46:28 PM
I was hit pretty hard by it. I thought "no way! Really?!" Holy crap!! But...based on stuff said between seasons, they said that this was going to be the season for Laurel's growth...which means...she becomes Canary. Hell, the fore-shortened spot of her holding her sister, with the mask in foreground? She takes that, I'm guessing, and wants vengeance and trains for it.

Really looking forward to what happens when Thea reappears.

It's weird, but I found myself missing some of the real apparent physicality of the series. Like, when Oliver was jumping/running all through Hong Kong? That was pure Amell, and I loved it!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on October 21, 2014, 11:07:20 AM
Dealing with
Sara's death was great. Felicity, much like Chloe, is allowed the greatest range of a character on a show, being that she has no fate she must meet as a comic character, and she is an amazing actress. Dealing with her raw emotions with Ray (Brandon Routh) Palmer at the elevator, or snapping back at Oliver was great.

Diggle continues to be able to grow beyond his role as well, and any time he speaks, I believe in his character's experience and work he has done before ever meeting Oliver.


Amell owns the role, and I have to come really enjoy his Oliver, and they are finally letting him be less wooden and <Batman>stalwart.

And Vinnie Jones will be coming aboard as Brick! Fun stuff!!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on December 03, 2014, 08:58:46 AM
I know this is all a re-imagining (much like the New 52), and although it is borrowing from other Rogue galleries, I've enjoyed the twist and change to bring in more weapons based villains into the (Green) Arrow fold.

Making Deathstroke a huge adversary of GA seems a simple moment of brilliance to me. Having Huntress around, Bronze Tiger, Deadshot, and now Captain Boomerang lend a rather interesting flair of the armed rogue being the type of villain that a master archer would face.

That, and I rather like the image of Deathstroke facing off against the Emerald Archer instead of chasing teenagers down.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on December 03, 2014, 02:03:51 PM
Would have liked to have see Cap Boomerang
 :-\
Wish that was in season one.
 :'(


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on December 03, 2014, 09:12:40 PM
Boomerang was a BAMF!!!! He was so cool in presentation! I TOTALLY believed that a dude with razor- and exploding-boomerangs could own a group by himself! Ha!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on December 10, 2014, 10:21:39 PM
I may seriously have liked this mid-season finale BEST OF ALL.

I enjoy watching this mythos so much.

I know I get rather stringent on Superman mythos, and I like taking the different wrinkles of the Batman mythos, but man, I seriously love the many Green Arrows I've seen in the last few years for sure!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on January 11, 2015, 10:14:27 PM
Looks like I'm going to give this another try.  After watching part 1 of the cross over with Flash, I found myself interested in Arrow again.

I went out to Netflix and I'm through the first four episodes of Season 1.  Definitely liked Deadshot.  I see how it plays like the new 52 run of Green Arrow.  It's getting better with each episode so I'm going to keep going.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on January 12, 2015, 06:37:34 AM
*shiver*





 ;D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on January 12, 2015, 08:43:48 AM
Just love it Jeff. Give in to your pleasure and ride that wave.  :D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on January 12, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
 ;D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on January 12, 2015, 10:54:19 AM
And fully renewed for Season 4!!!! Wahoo!!!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on January 15, 2015, 03:24:42 PM
Still on Season 1.

Ok - I got hooked at episode 7.  I'm up to episoed 13.  LOVE Count Vertigo.  I hope he comes back.  Captain Jack Harness (John Barrymore) as Merlyn?

I can do without the usual CW ramance drivel but yeah - I'm loving this show now.

Sorry Perry!   :D :D :D :D

EDIT:  Although they've got to get Deathstroke a better mask.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on January 15, 2015, 09:55:46 PM
Glad you enjoy it Jeff!! But definitely after 7, and right on at 13 and on, particularly on after that, it's great!

(well, CW great, far better than yet another CSI great)

Ah hell, I love the show (bad love tween triangles and all), but I'm so glad it's going-and going strong!!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on January 16, 2015, 07:13:34 AM
... I'm loving this show now.

Sorry Perry!   :D :D :D :D


 ;D
No need, good sir. It SHOULD be enjoyed. Always want comic book based shows to get views and acknowledgement as it can only do good for us longtime fans. I hope even more people watch and enjoy!!

Of course I also just wish this show was on ANY network other than the "teen drama" filled CW so I could watch as well.
 :-\
Though ABC FAMILY could be worse ... maybe
 ;)

*he leaves wondering how much more time he has with the Flash*
 :-[


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on January 17, 2015, 09:50:02 PM
I just started episode 22 of season 1.

John Barrowman is bad ass as Merlyn!  

Perry not sure how far you got but you need to get past episode 13.  This show is great!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on January 17, 2015, 10:28:02 PM
Dang it!!!!  I wanted to goto bed.  Now I HAVE to stay up to watch Episode 23!!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on January 17, 2015, 11:13:51 PM
Season 1 finale was awesome.  Totally made up for the slow start in the early episodes.  Season 2 up next.  I just hope there's a way I can watch Season 3 without having to wait for it on Netflix.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on January 18, 2015, 07:09:57 AM
Perry not sure how far you got but you need to get past episode 13.  This show is great!

I fought my way all the way through season one and hit season two episode ... 2 ... or 3 ... (as I heard season two was better) before finally throwing my hands up and vowing to never return. I still remember the straw that broke my back. That damn picture of the boat that this family, who supposedly lost both the father and the son on, sitting elegantly on the foyer table for all to see and be constantly reminded of when you open the front door. That was all I could stand. No family would have that there. That's like me having a picture of the car that killed my brother sitting on my coffee table. It is just stupid and made no sense. But what do you expect from that crap of a writer/creator/show runner Guggenhiem. You remember how I feel about him back from his craptastic comics he wrote tried to write. He is absolutely horrendous in-case you forgot  ;D) and this show ... from his hands to my eyes is just, well, not good ... for me 

All that said, I think if you look back at my post you can see I still tried and even enjoyed some here and there but I struggled with this show for a long time. After watching episode upon episode of cops act as dumb as shit, having Ollie surrounded but missing him or allowing bad guys to escape through a back door (Twice? In one season?), constant small things (like the picture) that made no damn sense, at all, as well as the constant CW teen love crap, the bad just over ran the good in this show.

So take the teen-age love crap, mix in the stupid cops and other things that just irked the hell out me, add in show runner Guggenhiem and there is no F'n way I had a chance.  :-\

Again, I tried, hard, multiple times and I am honestly glad you and Jimmy (and a lot more people) enjoy it, but as a show, it is bad. Sorry, it just is. That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't enjoy it  8). I said many times you guys should enjoy it if you can. Hell, I enjoy many a stupid ass show.  :D I just can't here. Not with this. And that saddens me as I love the property that is GA.

And I am hoping the other CW hero show, the Flash, stays its course. I can fight back my eye-rolls at the "Oh, we are beautiful people" and teen love stuff with Flash, and though I left already once because it looked like Flash was going to go the Arrow route ... I am back now. For now.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on January 18, 2015, 07:39:36 AM
Oh yeah, I know you tried really, really hard Perry. I'd just hate for you to keep beating yourself up on it-or the show, either. ;)

I mean, I'll even groan when there are ridiculous situations with a hero surrounded by dozens of gunmen-and they all miss, or only one of them fires at one time.

But, I'll see that on commercials for Hawaii 5-0, some CSI thing, some NCIS thing, whatever; they all do it. NOT saying I like that, but in the TV medium...eh, they don't care, they make up what they want to.

For me, the beats of who 'this' Ollie are is what draws me. The 'unable to love Felicity' angle is so sweet, his stubbornness, his anger, Merlyn is awesome! Diggle's just cool. I'm there. :)

Considering how much I judge, and how little I watch on TV now, the fact that I honestly have stuck with this surprises me, so...I guess I'm just all hook, line, and sinkered now. And I really don't care, either. ;)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on January 18, 2015, 07:59:33 AM
Oh no, I get it, and I want to apologize for saying that the show is "bad". It isn't ... bad, it is just ... crap, I can't explain it.

I do beat myself up with this show because I WANT to enjoy and promote comic based stuff, I WANT to enjoy a Green Arrow show and I WANT to be in the conversation with you guys. I WANT to like and enjoy this show, even with all the things I find troubling, but I can't and that makes me even more mad at the show. I don't like the show, but I hate the show for that very reason ... I hate it because I don't like it. Does that make sense? I want to like you but you are making it impossible so I dislike you for that even more?
 :D

Anyway, seriously, it isn't "bad" it is just not for me. And I do apologize for saying that it is "bad". It is still just deep anger I have that I can't enjoy this damn thing because it is "bad" for "me".
 :-\
It's my issue. Well it's my issue with that damn Guggenhiem!!!!
 ;D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on January 18, 2015, 08:03:08 AM
I do beat myself up with this show because I WANT to enjoy and promote comic based stuff, I WANT to enjoy a Green Arrow show and I WANT to be in the conversation with you guys. I WANT to like and enjoy this show, even with all the things I find troubling, but I can't and that makes me even more mad at the show. I don't like the show, but I hate the show for that very reason ... I hate it because I don't like it. Does that make sense? I want to like you but you are making it impossible so I dislike you for that even more?
 :D

Scarily enough, this makes PERFECT sense. I think I've had this exact conversation with other people. I think I may have had this most recently with a Batman friend of mine who says that he thinks Gotham is the best of the comic shows currently. I...kinda wanted to hit his head with a wrench.  8)

Quote
:-\
It's my issue. Well it's my issue with that damn Guggenhiem!!!!
 ;D
For this I can agree. This man has done (mostly a lot) of crappy comics writing work. I'll back your campaign platform on this one!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on January 18, 2015, 08:44:45 AM
I think I may have had this most recently with a Batman friend of mine who says that he thinks Gotham is the best of the comic shows currently. I...kinda wanted to hit his head with a wrench. 

 :D ;D :D
Would it be a Bat-Wrench?

And yes, Gotham ... uggghhh.... DAMN IT !!!!  >:( >:(


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on January 18, 2015, 09:41:19 AM
I was going to make a joke about you holding too much in but decided against it.   :D

Now that I know you've given it a very fair shake I won't beat you up.  Not every show is for everyone and that's a good thing.  I never wanted to watch it because I liked the GA in Smallville and just wanted a spin off.  Now that enough time has passed I can enjoy this for what it is.  And I'm glad they went this route instead of a Smallville spin off.

As for the bullets flying with no hits.  I'm a fan of Commando, Expendables, Rambo, Die-Hard, and really all things Schwarzenegger and Stallone.  So really, I'm not allowed to judge. ;D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on January 22, 2015, 09:41:02 PM
After the midseason break...

GREAT. LOVED IT.

*with a small caveat

Jeff, I'll still put it in spoiler boxes for ya.


Without Ollie in the foreground, I get to see more Roy. Roy, who seems more like Sn 2 Roy. He's flippant, but more young than asshole. He's penetrating with questions, but defers to the ones who knows. Diggle, oh man, Diggle really shows why, as the 'old man' of the group, he's listened to. His comment of "I still thought of myself all this time as Oliver's bodyguard still" got me. Great line!

Felicity is amazing. Great actress. Her direction right now with Ollie's "death" is nailing it for her character.

How awesome is John Barrowman as Merlyn? 'I could have killed you! Thea yells. "That's cute that you think you could." GREAT FRIGGN LINE!

Love seeing Vinnie Jones as Brick. A great storyline part too-all the evidence stolen (I'm sure there would probably be some backed up in computers, but without the actual physical stuff? Eh, I could see this happening in a comic book!)

My caveat? Oliver being back alive. I need a super awesome reason beyond Chinese smoke and herbs and spirits from beyond. I'd rather accept the Lazarus Pit over that. Or, whatever 'magic' they use, just make it as the same kind that keeps R'as going. I'd be...satisfied with that.

And seeing Laurel as Canary? I'm not...in hate with it. She's grown up, gotten a wee better on the show, but to be fair, she's got a lotta work to do to shine as brightly as Sara did.

Nope, great come back. :)

(Perry, I trust in you that you just like to read my enthusiasm. ;)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on January 23, 2015, 05:07:08 AM
I finished Season 2 yesterday.  Starting season 3 this weekend and hopefully will be caught up soon.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on January 23, 2015, 01:10:04 PM
(Perry, I trust in you that you just like to read my enthusiasm. ;)

Indeed, sir.
 :)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on January 30, 2015, 01:50:29 PM
Just checked into Arrow again. Was so pumped about this weeks Flash (that I still have to see) that I recorded this past episode just hoping to get into the new DC characters that are pretty prominent now in this show, having enjoyed what I have seen of Cold and Heat Wave from the Flash. Wanted to see Red Arrow (or Arsenal or whatever they are calling him) and the new, name I recognize from the comic, Canary (as I see "she that shall not be mentioned" has now taken over the mantle ;D). Only ended up watching about 5 minutes.

I will not go into the why's and whatnot's here ... again ... (you've heard enough from me on those) I will just say that while this show is still not for me, I will try again next year.  :)

Sooner or later one of us will break.
 :D ;D :D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on January 31, 2015, 10:56:05 PM
Perry....

I'm betting the super lazy 'Oh Oliver's just alive now' really hit ya. I, too, NEEDED a bit more than the nothing of he was nursed back to health. The cold helped keep him going? What?! Cold slows the heart and metabolism, especially with a person bleeding to death!! Yeah, that part irked me. I wanted a magic herb, soul powered katana, her life for his; something!

Or, was it the new Canary? Was that alley fight just not...not? ;D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on February 01, 2015, 06:24:37 AM
Actually, Jimmy

You nailed it. I really struggled with the aspect of his death, then the fight scene early on but what really killed it was the talk between Roy (Red Arrow/Arsenal?) and Canary (part 2). Was just not a good discussion  ;)

But again, I got pulled back to try and even though it didn't work this time, I will give it another go again next year :)

(I bet if Guggenhiem were gone I would enjoy this show more)
 :D :D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on February 01, 2015, 08:28:20 AM
It's still hard, even for me as a fan of the show, to completely buy Laurel's transformation. At least Berlanti, in his interviews, states that she will keep growing and failing as a developing hero. Ollie had the island. Dig is an Iraqi veteran. Roy grew up on the streets and had training with Ollie. But Laurel? While she's been busy training this season, she got her butt handed to her plenty of times this ep.

Her indignation is true, but like you said on Flash, its probably over driven by over-acting and over-directing. Then again, with so many characters, plot lines, and settings on these shows, they have to move out of a spectrum of developing emotions towards an outlier point of feeling to make the point.

Wasn't a hugely strong ep either, but Dig and Roy and Felicity are doing awesomely with their spotlight. :)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on February 01, 2015, 08:42:51 AM
True and all that being said ... let me know if you know of another DC character that will be popping up in the show, even after the show has aired (On-Demand works fine!  ;)) as I still want to see how they work them.
 :)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on February 01, 2015, 09:46:12 AM
I'm looking forward to the day when Brandon Routh dons an Atom costume!!!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on February 01, 2015, 09:54:29 AM
 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Oh yeah, that does sound intriguing.

Hopefully he will cross-over to the Flash!  :D ;) I want him over there !!!  :D In the DC/CW show I do watch  :D

Though I am extremely excited that Firestorm will eventually be (more) involved


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on February 01, 2015, 10:19:45 AM
I know that Ray Palmer and Felicity will cross over into Flash again later this season to get more Star Labs help with developing the chip for Ray's white dwarf star tech.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on February 01, 2015, 10:37:14 AM
Sweet!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on February 04, 2015, 09:30:39 PM
So...there's this...

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Brandon Routh in full Atom gear!!!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on February 04, 2015, 09:40:40 PM
So, this ep on February 4th...

I just loved it. ;D

I love a bunch of the cheesiness to it; because it's almost part of the mythology!

I love the heartache too; characters just have to push it to make it dramatic!

I love the secrets; everyone has them, and they will hurt!

I love the heightened tension; I like that I am still kept guessing all the time!

Merlyn's history was great to see explored, because, well, John Barrowman is DA MAN on this show! Just fantastic. He's the gravitas to this show that Joe West (Jesse...something...d'oh! can't remember) is on FLASH.

Roy has had such a growing up part on these last 4 eps. I love seeing him kick more ass, I dig that he has a bigger presence and voice on the team, and I hope his pure sidekickiness is more behind him, especially with Laurel rocking the Black Canary action.

And Ollie....well, he's a bitchin' presence as <Green> Arrow. Give me more!

I know that the 'cops are powerless to get into Brick's territory in the Glades' is super hokey...but it's ENTIRELY what happens in comics all the time!! Can you say 'Shadowland?' Or, 'Spider-Island?' Or AIM Island? Or No Man's Land? It's SO a comicbook thing!! har har!

Did I still want a far better explanation for Ollie's resurrection? YES. HELL YES. His 'death' was such a stunner, that his return was nearly a non-event. It was just gonna happen. It just needed a bigger kick than it got.

And seeing someone like Cin come back and make a huge impact on Det. Lance? OH that's gonna be fun to see play out! Merlyn training Ollie? Looking forward to it! Thea seeing Arrow make his speech? She totally knows that it's Ollie! BUT she couldn't say anything on Ollie's return since Merlyn was in the room, and she still thinks that he doesn't know!!! Oh what tangled webs!!

Still; will Roy get an ep to do something in forgiveness for the cop he killed? What's gonna happen when Sarah's truth comes out? Her murderer and her death? What brings the Atom into all of this? (3 weeks until that!!!)

Such fun stuff; I'm LOVING the hell outta this show. :)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on February 05, 2015, 03:35:46 AM
I'm still a little behind on this season but that Atom costume looks awesome!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on February 05, 2015, 06:26:54 AM
So...there's this...

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1947781_836463326395812_7180827488169155576_n.jpg?oh=971dcf318148442c5bb0ea4a584413a3&oe=5555ED22&__gda__=1431226297_ddd94061bff22cfa04f9444410949ca4)

Brandon Routh in full Atom gear!!!

Hmmmm, I do like it mostly. I like the look of the silver pieces that look like springs or wound metal rope as they resemble some sort of hydraulic arms (good for a costume that changes sizes ... moves) and I like how they got the "A" in there without making it look too Captain America like, but ...
Why is the helmet shaped like he is Hector Hammond? (just a trick of the light I hope)
Why the half-visor? (Worried about contagion? Should you cover the entire face?)
And my main question, do sub-atomic particles have a habit of attacking the crotch region? Is that why the extra padding is there? Is the Higgs Boson just going around grabbing junk?
 ;) ;D :D

And I hope they get rid of the screws on that pad covering the biceps, I think that would be better served as a pocket or a pouch and not just a screwed on piece of ... something. But maybe they have plans for those and they don't really bother me at all, really.

Overall a very nice design.  :)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on February 10, 2015, 06:18:28 AM
Sooo


Future episode SPOILERS ... MAYBE???

Just heard a podcast from a guy I trust that the shows powers that be are thinking about, again, THINKING about ...
Making "Diggle" John Diggle's middle-name and not his last. Not sure how they will work this as who would name their kid Diggle? I think Diggle works best as a nick-name instead of a middle-name but anyway, they are thinking about changing his last name.

Now the more Spoilery part of this possible future Spoiler ... please don't read if you don't want to be spoiled ... 
The reason for them taking "Diggle" from this guys last name is they are thinking about changing it to Stewart. Yeah, as in JOHN STEWART!!!!!

Now this may not happen and probably won't, but I do see the reasoning behind the move and the potential for it as again, more future Spoilery ...
I think they like the actor and want to include him in the future with a bigger role and, let's be honest, the guy does look like the guy he may end up portraying
But hey, I do trust this "report" to be true, even if they don't end up doing it. So, if you did look, what do you think? Keeping it spoiler free for now please.
 :)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on February 10, 2015, 09:13:12 AM
So..um.....yeah Perry, I read. :D

I think it would be a bit of a shame. Dig has become something very special as himself. Sure his background lines up (Except the engineering part), and he could say he always took his mother's name because he didn't like his father's (father left, bad person, etc etc).

But I'd hate to lose Diggle. Heck, so popular they put him in the comics! Considering GA's rather lean supporting team and supporting characters, I'd rather hate to lose this guy to another role.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on February 10, 2015, 09:50:57 AM
I couldn't help but peek.  I can see it but I'd rather they not do it.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on February 11, 2015, 10:33:22 PM
Ep. 'Canaries'

Holy crap!  :o :o

What an ep! I'm loving how continually surprised I am at the stakes and how this season keeps one-upping itself! I'm so happy that the show is where it's at right now!!!

For starters, from the beginning; telling Thea? What a moment! What courage! Loved how Ollie really was so hurt. Great portrayal by Amell; really being able to loosen up to see how his TV sister would respond-and what a great response! It wasn't a selfish "you lied to me for so long!" shtick-but amazement at what her big bro can do!

Roy standing up to Ollie later after Laurel's ass-whupping; what a scene down in the Arrow-cave! Roy has got some chops on him too!

Laurel...doing better as an actress. LOVED, just LOVED, her explaining Sara's death to her father. And THANKFULLY the show didn't do the cliched trope of his heart giving out right then and there; but the emotion? Spectacular!

Thanks so much to the show for not giving in to every horrible cliche that most of the CW shows do (yes, they have their own, but man, this show really pushes some stuff!


Every ep is giving me more and more reasons to just bend over backwards and coo all night long about this show! So very glad it's done well, it did better, and it's done AWESOME to lead the way for shows like Flash, or to herald shows like Gotham to try, and for networks to try things like Constantine and iZombie.

I dig this so much. Rewatching the first season is definitely going to go quicker now!!!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on February 27, 2015, 10:31:26 AM
Fun note; I finished a show on the dvr, regular tv clicked on to the soap 'Young & the Restless' and who should be on there?

Original Green Arrow, Justin Hartley, from Smallville!

Made me want to pop open my dvds and see his first episode appearance. :)

Made me so made originally when they did the Arrow show and recast the role...but I'm very satisfied now. Amell does a very fine job, and not only that, on facebook (particularly) he's cultivated a huge following, as well as raising millions for charities through t-shirt sales and appearances. By all accounts, a man very grateful for his fame and where he's at, humbled by the fandom, and giving of his time to those that enjoy the show and what he does.

I've bought 2 t-shirts through his fundraiser campaigns. I'm a fan. :)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on March 18, 2015, 08:57:42 PM
GAH I loVE this show! Now to rewatch more from past seasons!!!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on March 19, 2015, 04:35:48 AM
I'm still several episodes behind on this and Blacklist. Gotta find some time to binge watch.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on March 24, 2015, 07:46:40 AM
If you don't follow Amell on Facebook, you can read all of the story in one little blurb here.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/03/23/stephen-amell-brings-birthday-joy-to-young-arrow-fan/

He's the man!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on March 26, 2015, 05:58:16 AM
Ep 'Suicidal Tendencies'

Okay, loved this one far better than last week's ep. Why? The show is at the point where it can do more with all the other characters in the Arrow's world, and it still holds up well.

I loved the highlight on Deadshot. I had originally thought it silly to bring back a bit of a one note villain, at least that's how I viewed his initial appearance. Then, making him part of the Suicide Squad and forcing Diggle to work with im seemed a bit of comic/tv convention, but each appearance of Dig and Lawton together has really worked. This ep was no different, especially with the flashbacks focusing on Lawton's war return. His parallel with Dig's current life was really cool to see, and watching Lawton really come around to rise as a hero by his own choice was super cool. (And, no doubt, he just has to get blown off the roof to return later. More than likely, this is the last time we get to hear or see 'Suicide Squad' on the tv show since the movie is coming, but hey, there's HIVE! That was mentioned today as well. :D )

I really enjoy Felicity and Ray together. Ray's black and white viewpoint, his focus being that an answer is always found after study really sets him apart as his own hero when compared to Ollie.

<I did have to laugh that after the Arrows/Atom fight, Ollie nobly walks off, although his sidekick was just blasted unconscious by ATom's electric blast! :D >

Also, the other side character that really gets to grow, or shine more, is Det. Lance. His cauldron of remorse-turned-fury and rage is really boiling over. Having been lied to for weeks/months by his daughter and the Arrow about Sara's death has turned him into a bloodhound tracking his prey. I laughed at the mayor's office fight between him, Laurel, Ray & Felicity. The mayor has no clue about the hidden history and knowledge that all are arguing about, but oh, they know!

And what an ending!! What's up with Maseo? How does he turn from a father and husband to a man who has to deny his wife, and where's their son? What happened to make him turn from his family and Ollie to a pure assassin for R'as? There's a part of me that wants his 'true' soul to be in the katana of...well Katana, in some magic sort of way to mirror the comic.

No, I look forward to next week's ep for a more centered Det. Lance ep, as he ends up meeting Ra's. Give me a time machine! Want more!!!

So enjoying it; so sad that I think there is only 5-6 eps left this season!!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on March 28, 2015, 06:41:27 AM
Trying to be part of the discussion and still not being able to watch this show, I went back to Bleeding Cool and bookmarked the last 11 show recaps they have. Starting at "Guilty" (episode 3.6) and going to the latest episode "Suicidal Tendencies" (episode 3.17). Doing this allows me to at least get a little bit of knowledge of what is going on in DC's other show. I think this is about the only way I can stay connected to Arrow.
 :D  :)

Sooo... Starting with 3.6 ...
I guess Laural's sister has been killed and Roy has a dream that he did it? Has it been reveled (before this episode) who did do it? (Don't want to be spoiled if the reveal happens in a few more episodes)  ;)

It is nice to see Ted Grant is the one teaching Laural how to fight. Just wish he was a tad bit older  :-\

BOXING GLOVE ARROW!!!

Oliver is "berating Laural" for hanging with a vigilante? (That seems hypocritical)

and what is this marakuru? (again, without future spoilers if possible)  :)

Here is a funny part of the recap - "Roy comes clean.  Good timing.  Oliver lets him go, and we get more moping Laurel.  The problem with Laurel is her character spends so much time moping about things that when she actually has a good reason we just donít care anymore."
Very true, yeah?
 :D

Recap found HERE (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/11/14/guilty-avoids-interesting-questions-recapping-this-weeks-arrow/) Just in-case anyone wants it. Gonna try and get the next recap in soon.  :)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on March 28, 2015, 12:54:55 PM
I think this is about the only way I can stay connected to Arrow.
 :D  :)
Cool cool!

Quote
Sooo... Starting with 3.6 ...
I guess Laural's sister has been killed and Roy has a dream that he did it? Has it been reveled (before this episode) who did do it? (Don't want to be spoiled if the reveal happens in a few more episodes)  ;)

It is nice to see Ted Grant is the one teaching Laural how to fight. Just wish he was a tad bit older  :-\

BOXING GLOVE ARROW!!!

Oliver is "berating Laural" for hanging with a vigilante? (That seems hypocritical)

and what is this marakuru? (again, without future spoilers if possible)  :)

Here is a funny part of the recap - "Roy comes clean.  Good timing.  Oliver lets him go, and we get more moping Laurel.  The problem with Laurel is her character spends so much time moping about things that when she actually has a good reason we just donít care anymore."
Very true, yeah?
 :D


BOXING GLOVE ARROW FOR THE WIN!!!! Best comic show visual ever!!! :D

The revel of the murder of Sara has not happened before this episode.

Oliver is hypocritical. It's because he believes he's right. I call that 'Batman Ego Syndrome' 8)

Mirakuru is the superdrug that was found on the island and used to save Slade Wilson's life. Fast forward to Season 2 present, where it's also used to give superhuman powers, but makes a person go a bit crazy. Roy got himself hopped up on it last year.

And Laurel's moping; very true. She's gotten better...but I think she's still the weakest point of the entire series.

There's some updates!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on April 01, 2015, 08:18:11 PM
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

omigawdomigawdOHMIGAWD OH MY GOD!!!!!

Ep 'Public Enemies' My heart was racing the entire time!!!!!!

Ra's is not fucking around! He outs Ollie to Detective Lance. Lance puts it out on air! There is nothing, NOTHING that Ollie can possibly plan for!!

Det. Lance is one dude on a mission. His hate is palpable. His need for vengeance is as strong as a hurricane. That actor is just killing it. Just nailing it. Just commanding it. I don't even know how to react to him! Hate him? be amazed by him? Wish he would see what he's doing? Understand and follow? I'm speechless.

The EP said after this episode, "nothing will ever be the same." Nothing can! It's...huge, wide open, just...what will they do? Where will they go? How do they go on? The very important line of Lance to Ollie "You're not the hero. You're the villain."

Does Ollie go truly rogue from here on out (or as the direction the show takes in season 4)? He will utterly outside the law and community to uphold what 'needs' to be done for the city? (Pure Batman-esque there).


2 MORE WEEKS TO THE NEXT EP!!! DAMMIT!!!!

I need some air. I got the vapors.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on April 07, 2015, 07:46:44 AM
I guess that will give me time to get caught up being that I'm only up to "Canaries".     ;D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on April 08, 2015, 06:10:31 AM
I guess that will give me time to get caught up being that I'm only up to "Canaries".     ;D

Jeff GET GOING!!!  :D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on April 12, 2015, 10:39:12 AM
I guess that will give me time to get caught up being that I'm only up to "Canaries".     ;D

Jeff GET GOING!!!  :D

Finished "Canaries", "The Return", and "Namda Parbat".  Only three episodes left to be caught up!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on April 12, 2015, 08:03:55 PM
You'll almost be caught up to fall behind then, again.  ;) 8)

Starts this week!! FINAL FIVE!!!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on April 15, 2015, 07:56:13 PM
So..this ep "Broken Arrow" 4/15/15

I'm...shaken on this. Again, Blackthorne is awesome in this role of vengeance knight/personal chip on his shoulder role. OH, he's just killing it. The thing is; he's. not. wrong. Not entirely. But he is going to burn himself in the flames of damnation of the funeral pyre he's trying to build for Ollie.

Poor Ray...so earnest and wanting to help, but yeah, he's a bit removed from Team Arrow, so he definitely cannot feel the pain and hurt they have going on.

Amell shows he's got some acting chops with his pent up frustration, worry, fear, and loss that he has this ep. I'm glad for that. Quite Glad.

But, since you may be reading this already knowing what happens...the 2 switcheroos. Roy is off the show? I follow Colton Haynes on facebook, so I'll be checking tomorrow if he does a post about saying good bye or anything.

That and ...Thea's presumable death? Holy crap! It's so true; everyone around Ollie kinda keeps dying!

And I did feel really sad; this season was to be about 'identities'-Thea finding out who she was, Felicity finding where she fits in love, Laurel finding her place and role, Ollie finding out about being himself and the Arrow-

-cept both Ollie and Arrow are lost to him. He definitely is a hurtin' man.

and no, I won't deny the way that Roy's death was faked was kinda rather stupid/made up for tv. Very comic-booky at that point, cut it really wrecked it for me how awful I felt when I thought that the show really killed Roy!!!

4 more eps!  :o


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on April 19, 2015, 07:35:53 PM
Ep 'Suicidal Tendencies'

Okay, loved this one far better than last week's ep. Why? The show is at the point where it can do more with all the other characters in the Arrow's world, and it still holds up well.

I loved the highlight on Deadshot. I had originally thought it silly to bring back a bit of a one note villain, at least that's how I viewed his initial appearance. Then, making him part of the Suicide Squad and forcing Diggle to work with im seemed a bit of comic/tv convention, but each appearance of Dig and Lawton together has really worked. This ep was no different, especially with the flashbacks focusing on Lawton's war return. His parallel with Dig's current life was really cool to see, and watching Lawton really come around to rise as a hero by his own choice was super cool. (And, no doubt, he just has to get blown off the roof to return later. More than likely, this is the last time we get to hear or see 'Suicide Squad' on the tv show since the movie is coming, but hey, there's HIVE! That was mentioned today as well. :D )

I really enjoy Felicity and Ray together. Ray's black and white viewpoint, his focus being that an answer is always found after study really sets him apart as his own hero when compared to Ollie.

<I did have to laugh that after the Arrows/Atom fight, Ollie nobly walks off, although his sidekick was just blasted unconscious by ATom's electric blast! :D >

Also, the other side character that really gets to grow, or shine more, is Det. Lance. His cauldron of remorse-turned-fury and rage is really boiling over. Having been lied to for weeks/months by his daughter and the Arrow about Sara's death has turned him into a bloodhound tracking his prey. I laughed at the mayor's office fight between him, Laurel, Ray & Felicity. The mayor has no clue about the hidden history and knowledge that all are arguing about, but oh, they know!

And what an ending!! What's up with Maseo? How does he turn from a father and husband to a man who has to deny his wife, and where's their son? What happened to make him turn from his family and Ollie to a pure assassin for R'as? There's a part of me that wants his 'true' soul to be in the katana of...well Katana, in some magic sort of way to mirror the comic.

No, I look forward to next week's ep for a more centered Det. Lance ep, as he ends up meeting Ra's. Give me a time machine! Want more!!!

So enjoying it; so sad that I think there is only 5-6 eps left this season!!

Just finished this episode.  Now I'm only two behind!

So I guess Ray Palmer is not the Atom but really......

Ironman?   :D   I mean come on DC, no need to copy Marvel.  Make him shrink!!  Like....uh....Ant Man.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on April 23, 2015, 07:38:26 AM
"Fallen" 4/22/15

Um...an okay ep, but what with OLLIE AND FELICITY GETTIN' IT ON!!!! fanboyz/girls across the net get their 'Ollicity' quotient to the max. :D

I like John providing a great bit of conversation to Maseo.

I'm still waiting for Thea to be something that she's...not, since coming back from Lazurus pit. I hope something more develops from that, otherwise, it was an easy resurrection...then again Ollie's resurrection was just as easy!

The flashbacks don't serve much for me at this point. I assume at the end of this flashback season, that's when Ollie gets kidnapped/involved with the Russians, so he can learn their language and become a Captain and get his tattoo.

I also wonder PREDICTING here that Thea may become a green Arrow of Starling if Ollie isn't able to come back to Starling before season's end.

I enjoy wondering how/if/what will happen, but I"m not utterly sold on the League stuff, as it's complexity or machinations seem rather weak once you delve into it.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on April 23, 2015, 09:40:58 AM
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

omigawdomigawdOHMIGAWD OH MY GOD!!!!!

Ep 'Public Enemies' My heart was racing the entire time!!!!!!

Ra's is not fucking around! He outs Ollie to Detective Lance. Lance puts it out on air! There is nothing, NOTHING that Ollie can possibly plan for!!

Det. Lance is one dude on a mission. His hate is palpable. His need for vengeance is as strong as a hurricane. That actor is just killing it. Just nailing it. Just commanding it. I don't even know how to react to him! Hate him? be amazed by him? Wish he would see what he's doing? Understand and follow? I'm speechless.

The EP said after this episode, "nothing will ever be the same." Nothing can! It's...huge, wide open, just...what will they do? Where will they go? How do they go on? The very important line of Lance to Ollie "You're not the hero. You're the villain."

Does Ollie go truly rogue from here on out (or as the direction the show takes in season 4)? He will utterly outside the law and community to uphold what 'needs' to be done for the city? (Pure Batman-esque there).


2 MORE WEEKS TO THE NEXT EP!!! DAMMIT!!!!

I need some air. I got the vapors.

Watched this and the next one last night.  WOW!!!  You are so right about Capt Lance's acting chops.  That scene in the prison van blew me away.  That line you mentioned sealed amazing skill.  He delivered it to perfection.  I sat here thinking "Wow.  This guy is a great actor."  And that surprise ending!  Just incredible episode.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on April 23, 2015, 09:42:29 AM
Too right Jeff. I hope whatever comes up to the season finale actually lives up to this!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on April 23, 2015, 09:46:29 AM
So..this ep "Broken Arrow" 4/15/15

I'm...shaken on this. Again, Blackthorne is awesome in this role of vengeance knight/personal chip on his shoulder role. OH, he's just killing it. The thing is; he's. not. wrong. Not entirely. But he is going to burn himself in the flames of damnation of the funeral pyre he's trying to build for Ollie.

Poor Ray...so earnest and wanting to help, but yeah, he's a bit removed from Team Arrow, so he definitely cannot feel the pain and hurt they have going on.

Amell shows he's got some acting chops with his pent up frustration, worry, fear, and loss that he has this ep. I'm glad for that. Quite Glad.

But, since you may be reading this already knowing what happens...the 2 switcheroos. Roy is off the show? I follow Colton Haynes on facebook, so I'll be checking tomorrow if he does a post about saying good bye or anything.

That and ...Thea's presumable death? Holy crap! It's so true; everyone around Ollie kinda keeps dying!

And I did feel really sad; this season was to be about 'identities'-Thea finding out who she was, Felicity finding where she fits in love, Laurel finding her place and role, Ollie finding out about being himself and the Arrow-

-cept both Ollie and Arrow are lost to him. He definitely is a hurtin' man.

and no, I won't deny the way that Roy's death was faked was kinda rather stupid/made up for tv. Very comic-booky at that point, cut it really wrecked it for me how awful I felt when I thought that the show really killed Roy!!!

4 more eps!  :o

Finished this last night too.

Man!  I jaw dropped when they said Roy was dead.  I actually liked how they fooled Ollie - as comic booky as it was.  I would have been shocked about Thea but when I turned on the TV to watch this my DVR was taping last nights Arrow and I saw Thea being dropped into the Lazarus Pit  >:( . My own fault - got spoiled by being behind.

I'm working from home today and plan on watching Fallen here shortly.  Then I'll be all caught up and can start digging into Dare Devil.   :D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on April 23, 2015, 09:51:38 AM

I'm working from home today and plan on watching Fallen here shortly.  Then I'll be all caught up and can start digging into Dare Devil.   :D

What's this Dare Devil you speak of? That's so 2 weeks ago. :D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on April 23, 2015, 10:53:44 AM
"Fallen" 4/22/15

Um...an okay ep, but what with OLLIE AND FELICITY GETTIN' IT ON!!!! fanboyz/girls across the net get their 'Ollicity' quotient to the max. :D

I like John providing a great bit of conversation to Maseo.

I'm still waiting for Thea to be something that she's...not, since coming back from Lazurus pit. I hope something more develops from that, otherwise, it was an easy resurrection...then again Ollie's resurrection was just as easy!

The flashbacks don't serve much for me at this point. I assume at the end of this flashback season, that's when Ollie gets kidnapped/involved with the Russians, so he can learn their language and become a Captain and get his tattoo.

I also wonder PREDICTING here that Thea may become a green Arrow of Starling if Ollie isn't able to come back to Starling before season's end.

I enjoy wondering how/if/what will happen, but I"m not utterly sold on the League stuff, as it's complexity or machinations seem rather weak once you delve into it.

Finally caught up!!

I think this version of R'as is really weak.  Not sure if its the actor or the way he is written but I haven't been a fan all season.  Now if Ollie does wind up taking his place....now THAT will be interesting.  I'm hoping for some more episodes with the team back at Starling.  A lot of interesting stuff with them.

Now to see what that Dare Devil thing the kids are talking about is all about..........


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on April 30, 2015, 09:02:05 PM
Al Sah-him

Perry would HATE this ep. :D

more than a few points that are so overly dramatized, a bit over acted, but many little bits that I still felt the heartache and misery that is the Team Arrow back in Starling City.

For starters...Oliver kills again! Yup, he did!

2nd...are we going to see John finally get suited up for i.d. protection? Here's hoping! And I kinda liked the Canary scream in action. Cool beans!

Thea becomes Speedy in the real! Hope she dons Roy's red domino mask by season's end!


2 more eps I think. *sighs* Oh well, that much faster I get to refinish season 2. ;)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on May 07, 2015, 10:17:02 PM
This is your sword

First off, Katana looked FANTASTIC in costume. Just. GREAT. Awesome translation, and the mask really worked so well. Hell, makes me hope she comes around more than a few times in the future then.

The Maseo/Katana fight was decent. I won't lie; it would have paid off sooooo much better in a full film treatment. The show has tried to go this route; leave it all out there, don't hold back; go for the moment! And at times, it fills that in spades. 'Public Enemy' ep really shows this. It's not too often that (as of late) it goes in for some real heavy cliches, but it certainly did in the Maseo "I'm in the prison of my own making, so my wife killing me grants that release that I may forgive myself and love her again just as I die" shtick. Oh well. That writing was on the wall a million miles away, but hell, it was at least cool to watch happen.

I think part of my other malaise towards parts of this season's direction has been how weak-ass every assassin is. Not a one gets a serious hit or hurt on Team Arrow. What pansies? At least have Diggle look like he went to hell and back. The Point blank kill shot on the one assassin was BA though.

The one other trope this season is Oliver's "please, you just have to trust me." Then again, maybe it isn't so much of a trope as no one is buying into it, everyone is mad as hell at him, and, no one will trust him now! However, next week's season finale looks hella cool, as Ollie pulls back to being him again. But perhaps he doesn't get to return to Starling as Arrow next season (initially), and well, maybe work solo for a bit to regain their trust and the city's as well. If anything, that may be what the next season is about-trust.

After all, season 4 has to be about Oliver getting in with the Russian mob, doesn't it? That's how he becomes a Captain owed certain favors. I imagine getting the Russians to let you live means one must do extraordinary things to earn that...trust. ;) And that storyline would mirror present day back in Starling for Ollie to regain trust all around.

Flashbacks are a bit 'meh' but I can deal. The trying to save one single family member just really didn't hit that hard here. Having Shado have a twin was a bit of a groaner too; but it did help to give Ollie a bit more closure for that.

That ending...well, previews showed them get back into action, so you knew no one died, and that all would be well enough. Oh well.

Ray is a bit too much aw shucks happy to help kinda guy, even through his hurt, heartache, and loss, and all around in general bit of a doormat to Team Arrow. I'd like for him to have one major moment to maybe talk about that to Team Arrow, if not Felicity specifically when it's all over.

Next week...season's end!!!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on May 13, 2015, 09:07:31 PM
My Name is Oliver Queen Season Finale

A very nice, satisfying end. I think I'm more excited about where this season will go. The highlight of the season was, of course, the Public Enemies episode. The next 5 eps were all about the Nanda Parbat, Demon's Head, etc, which just didn't quite keep the feel of the show very well.

Of course Oliver was planning the double-triple-back-to-double cross of Ra's and the League. We knew this, and well, it didn't seem that exciting in the execution. Watching the seeming repetitive antics of hurting his friends again and again stretched too many points.

Of course we would get to see Oliver and Ra's fight again. But what a fight! Very cool in delivery, great choreography, and just all around cool sword play. Liked it alot; almost wish he was in the green hood to deliver.

Of course Merlyn gets to live. As a bystander, I can easily say "well OF COURSE I would kill him." Deservings got nothing to do with it, I think Clint Eastwood opined in a western. I'm a little peeved he is alive, as many times over, it makes little sense. OH, it makes great comic book sense, especially with putting him as head of the League. I wonder what Oliver's caveat is with the deal he made. Hmm...

So, the season closes, and more than anything, I truly look forward to a great many things.

1. Ollie happy. I hope he grows the 'stache and goatee while away. I think that would be a neat visual with the Sn 4 opener. Maybe him and Felicity own a flower shop in Seattle. ;)  (Naw, it'd be a internet cafe, actually).

2. Ray becoming the Atom. Full on shrinking I think! Bring on the other show!

3. Heroes of Starling. 'Speedy' will be there, as well as Black Canary (who, still gets a wee better each time), and, well, Nyssa went back to Nanda, so maybe she won't be a regular here anymore.

4. John's story. I don't know what Diggle will want to do now, but I know it will tie into HIVE, as Damien Dark will become the major factor of Sn 4. That, and finding the HIVE connnection that found Deadshot to kill Dig's brother.

5. Laurel & Captain Lance. I found it a good moment at least for Lance to not want Oliver dead. He hasn't gone that far down, but man, that doesn't mean Ollie's off the hook with him. This relationship I truly want to see meet again.

6. The hook! What brings Ollie back! What could allow him to hood up again? (oh yeah, what will John's mask look like?). Will Ollie's open identity be a thing of tabloid like with Matt and early DD rumors?

What I will say, I will say that I miss more of the 'normal' life of Sn 1. Ollie had family that he did family stuff with. Ollie had dates, he had friends, he tried to relax. He tried to find normalcy. I'd like to see a balance get struck with the vigilante stuff again. He's found that he doesn't need to be a martyr anymore. I'd like to see him be able to be that way (at least with Felicity for a while.

Still, I've got warm fuzzies about seeing the show in this 3rd season, and will be just thrilled to see Sn 4 return!!

Edit
Also, Palmer technology blows up, THEN Ollie and Felicity take off for the coastal road trip?! LOL I  know it would have made more sense for the explosion to occur last, but thematically you want the 'right off into the sunset' but it just makes them look like assholes for leaving in the first place!!!

Unless...No Prize here...they've already been driving for days....and it's on...lets say the 3rd out of them driving that Ray has his little explosion. There! Now they aren't assholes!!!  :D :D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on May 17, 2015, 05:28:02 PM
So
Ollie and Felicity are an item?
What? Is that true?


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on May 17, 2015, 06:40:48 PM
So
Ollie and Felicity are an item?
What? Is that true?

They are! They hooked up when she thought Ollie was going to forever leave them in Nanda Parbat, and after retaking their city back in the finale, they go to 'ride off into the sunset' together-literally! They were on the sun soaked coast line just driving away. :)

Gets ya right...there...*pound the chest*

 :-*


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on May 17, 2015, 06:46:51 PM
 >:(

Boooo!!!!

Fan service.  ;) ;D Come on, man, He is suppose to be with who he is suppose to be with. Booo I say. Booo.

"Lets take the two most popular, one male and one female and put them together even though they shouldn't be"
BAH!!!
They have no chemistry together (Not romantically I mean, don't mean show chemistry) and should never have been joined. Her and Barry had more ... "IT" than her and freakin Ollie. At least he and Lance had romantic chemistry. I mean she can't act but they fit. 

Booo I say again.
 :P

 ;D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on May 21, 2015, 12:39:13 PM
This is your sword

First off, Katana looked FANTASTIC in costume. Just. GREAT. Awesome translation, and the mask really worked so well. Hell, makes me hope she comes around more than a few times in the future then.

The Maseo/Katana fight was decent. I won't lie; it would have paid off sooooo much better in a full film treatment. The show has tried to go this route; leave it all out there, don't hold back; go for the moment! And at times, it fills that in spades. 'Public Enemy' ep really shows this. It's not too often that (as of late) it goes in for some real heavy cliches, but it certainly did in the Maseo "I'm in the prison of my own making, so my wife killing me grants that release that I may forgive myself and love her again just as I die" shtick. Oh well. That writing was on the wall a million miles away, but hell, it was at least cool to watch happen.

I think part of my other malaise towards parts of this season's direction has been how weak-ass every assassin is. Not a one gets a serious hit or hurt on Team Arrow. What pansies? At least have Diggle look like he went to hell and back. The Point blank kill shot on the one assassin was BA though.

The one other trope this season is Oliver's "please, you just have to trust me." Then again, maybe it isn't so much of a trope as no one is buying into it, everyone is mad as hell at him, and, no one will trust him now! However, next week's season finale looks hella cool, as Ollie pulls back to being him again. But perhaps he doesn't get to return to Starling as Arrow next season (initially), and well, maybe work solo for a bit to regain their trust and the city's as well. If anything, that may be what the next season is about-trust.

After all, season 4 has to be about Oliver getting in with the Russian mob, doesn't it? That's how he becomes a Captain owed certain favors. I imagine getting the Russians to let you live means one must do extraordinary things to earn that...trust. ;) And that storyline would mirror present day back in Starling for Ollie to regain trust all around.

Flashbacks are a bit 'meh' but I can deal. The trying to save one single family member just really didn't hit that hard here. Having Shado have a twin was a bit of a groaner too; but it did help to give Ollie a bit more closure for that.

That ending...well, previews showed them get back into action, so you knew no one died, and that all would be well enough. Oh well.

Ray is a bit too much aw shucks happy to help kinda guy, even through his hurt, heartache, and loss, and all around in general bit of a doormat to Team Arrow. I'd like for him to have one major moment to maybe talk about that to Team Arrow, if not Felicity specifically when it's all over.

Next week...season's end!!!

Finally catching up on this one.  GREAT episode.  I also loved Katana.  Looked great.

Watching finale now.  Will be back soon.....


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on May 21, 2015, 01:27:39 PM
My Name is Oliver Queen Season Finale

A very nice, satisfying end. I think I'm more excited about where this season will go. The highlight of the season was, of course, the Public Enemies episode. The next 5 eps were all about the Nanda Parbat, Demon's Head, etc, which just didn't quite keep the feel of the show very well.

Of course Oliver was planning the double-triple-back-to-double cross of Ra's and the League. We knew this, and well, it didn't seem that exciting in the execution. Watching the seeming repetitive antics of hurting his friends again and again stretched too many points.

Of course we would get to see Oliver and Ra's fight again. But what a fight! Very cool in delivery, great choreography, and just all around cool sword play. Liked it alot; almost wish he was in the green hood to deliver.

Of course Merlyn gets to live. As a bystander, I can easily say "well OF COURSE I would kill him." Deservings got nothing to do with it, I think Clint Eastwood opined in a western. I'm a little peeved he is alive, as many times over, it makes little sense. OH, it makes great comic book sense, especially with putting him as head of the League. I wonder what Oliver's caveat is with the deal he made. Hmm...

So, the season closes, and more than anything, I truly look forward to a great many things.

1. Ollie happy. I hope he grows the 'stache and goatee while away. I think that would be a neat visual with the Sn 4 opener. Maybe him and Felicity own a flower shop in Seattle. ;)  (Naw, it'd be a internet cafe, actually).

2. Ray becoming the Atom. Full on shrinking I think! Bring on the other show!

3. Heroes of Starling. 'Speedy' will be there, as well as Black Canary (who, still gets a wee better each time), and, well, Nyssa went back to Nanda, so maybe she won't be a regular here anymore.

4. John's story. I don't know what Diggle will want to do now, but I know it will tie into HIVE, as Damien Dark will become the major factor of Sn 4. That, and finding the HIVE connnection that found Deadshot to kill Dig's brother.

5. Laurel & Captain Lance. I found it a good moment at least for Lance to not want Oliver dead. He hasn't gone that far down, but man, that doesn't mean Ollie's off the hook with him. This relationship I truly want to see meet again.

6. The hook! What brings Ollie back! What could allow him to hood up again? (oh yeah, what will John's mask look like?). Will Ollie's open identity be a thing of tabloid like with Matt and early DD rumors?

What I will say, I will say that I miss more of the 'normal' life of Sn 1. Ollie had family that he did family stuff with. Ollie had dates, he had friends, he tried to relax. He tried to find normalcy. I'd like to see a balance get struck with the vigilante stuff again. He's found that he doesn't need to be a martyr anymore. I'd like to see him be able to be that way (at least with Felicity for a while.

Still, I've got warm fuzzies about seeing the show in this 3rd season, and will be just thrilled to see Sn 4 return!!

Edit
Also, Palmer technology blows up, THEN Ollie and Felicity take off for the coastal road trip?! LOL I  know it would have made more sense for the explosion to occur last, but thematically you want the 'right off into the sunset' but it just makes them look like assholes for leaving in the first place!!!

Unless...No Prize here...they've already been driving for days....and it's on...lets say the 3rd out of them driving that Ray has his little explosion. There! Now they aren't assholes!!!  :D :D

GREAT GREAT GREAT SEASON FINALE!!

I can't add much more to what Jimbo said in his spoiler.  Why can't DC make films this good?


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on May 21, 2015, 01:30:19 PM
>:(

Boooo!!!!

Fan service.  ;) ;D Come on, man, He is suppose to be with who he is suppose to be with. Booo I say. Booo.

"Lets take the two most popular, one male and one female and put them together even though they shouldn't be"
BAH!!!
They have no chemistry together (Not romantically I mean, don't mean show chemistry) and should never have been joined. Her and Barry had more ... "IT" than her and freakin Ollie. At least he and Lance had romantic chemistry. I mean she can't act but they fit. 

Booo I say again.
 :P

 ;D

I was a little off put when it started too but the pair grew on me.  The awkwardness is gone and I'm glad they are together now.  He had less chemistry with this version of Lance and her being BC seems even more forced.  But they get better each episode so I'm good with how this is going.

Can't wait to see a new direction in Sn4.  Should be another winner.

.....but I will miss Roy.  Hopefully he will come back too.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on September 09, 2015, 08:30:08 PM
I am not trying to go around and bash this show ... but ... Come on, guys. Stop THIS (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/09/09/a-better-look-at-john-diggles-new-suit/) stuff. Ugh. Who is that. Night Thrasher in Magneto variant?
 :D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on September 09, 2015, 09:37:30 PM
Yeah...not super impressed with Dig's get up.  :-\


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Perry on September 10, 2015, 05:45:25 AM
Do you think they are gonna "power him up" later as well? 'Cause this is pretty bad, but if they at least do something with that horrible, no purpose look, I could at least give them a little credit. But honestly, there is no reason for this. This has got to be Guggenheim. It has his stink on it.
 :-\


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on September 10, 2015, 07:43:39 AM
I think, looking at it, it seemed as if they said "How could we make an Army soldier into a superhero (costume)?"

And that's what this looks like it's trying to copy. Diggle running around in a domino mask probably just looked stupid. A hood wouldn't work. A full black mask would, unfortunately, make him look like a thug (perceptionally, sadly). So, a helmet then.

But that helmet is ass. Either close it tight and make it look like a Power Ranger helmet, or open it up like an Army helmet, or give him the Captain America/Daredevil/Flash pullover cowl look. Something to hide his distinctive features, and easy to come off (since Dig works so much better out of costume).

Hell, at this point, might as well make him Gangbuster (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/65423/1970932-gangbuster.jpg/)

Edit and yes-ha! Love the Guggenheim hate. Mostly deserved, too! I can't think of any of his personal comics he's written where I've been enamored of it!!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jeff on September 10, 2015, 08:27:40 AM
It might look better on screen.  I wasn't sure about the Flash costume when the pictures first came out but on screen it looks good.  He kind of looks like the Guardian.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on September 23, 2015, 07:47:19 PM
In my rewatch of season 3, I loved-just loved!-the action sequence against Komodo in Ep 2!!!

Big fight in a ballroom high rise, Komodo's arrow launches a zip line to escape from the nearby broken bay window. Arrow launches himself up from the floor, dives through the window, spinning a pirouette in the air, firing up into the window sill to wall rappel down the outside of the glassy steel finger of the building jutting into the city's night sky and come snapping into a lower window! Just a great sequence!!

You may continue.  8)

(Also, the sword & bow fight in the warehouse between Arrow
Merlyn and Nyssa
was superbadassificus in the next ep too!!)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on September 29, 2015, 10:15:46 AM
Another (yes, yet another) meta-analysis of Arrow Season 3.

PART ONE  8)

I sit here writing this, having just finished the ep 'The Climb,' which I believed to be the single best episode of the series (which could be directly challenged by 'Public Enemy'). However, I must back up, yet again.

Season 3 was a whirlwind of events and separate calamities in the life and world of Oliver Queen aka the 'Arrow.' Having survived the attack on the city by mirakuru mercanaries and Deathstroke, the seasons begins with the city feeling all happy thoughts about its green garbed hero, and with Ollie believing his personal life could work again.

This becomes destroyed, and becomes the major theme of the first act-'its all personal.' The beginning third of the season is all about Sara's death, and what it means within Ollie's world-how he feels, how he projects, how he feels about the life he lives. All the others are caught up in it as well. Everyone's lives are affected and changed. From Felicity trying to quit Team Arrow to move on to be with Ray, to Dig's changing role due to his own duties as father, to Roy's personal journey of learning about the murder he committed, to the ever growing role of Thea.

All the way up to 'The Climb' I loved this first act. (okay, the Cupid episode was terrible. Still skipped that one). The threats were all small, not city or world destroying (which was very welcome, to be honest). They still did their rooftops at night vigilantism. They had newer comic guest stars (Wildcat & the Boxing Arrow! Captain Boomerang was awesome in the crossover episode!! Komodo I hope makes a reappearance at some point!).

You can't see it here(but it shows up later in the season) that there isn't a lot of life outside the hood. While I realize that's what the season is about-that Ollie can't be two people, he can't lead a personal life-it's with a feeling of loss that we don't see his mother, Tommy, acting 'normal' with his sister, going to board meetings or public events as Oliver. That sense of normalcy is lacking. It's truly only noticeable, I believe, in the end of the season-which is all world jet-setting, assassin battles, League membership changes, hunted by all-no one is going to the Big Belly Burger to talk about an old date! The last ep almost completely makes up for this, but again, more on that later!!!

All the action and plot was very well pointed in a true, straight direction. Who murdered Sara? How to capture that person and gain justice? All of this was done through all the characters, whether they fractured away from Ollie, grew tighter, fought or rebelled against him, or had their own tragedy occur, everything in the first 9 eps worked so well to drive towards one specific moment-and that's 'The Climb.' I find it to have worked beautifully. That ep stunned me flat. Left me breathless. Left me heartbroken (re: Ollicity). Left me wondering and hungering for me. Just rewatching that final battle sans music; just heavy breathing and the scuffling sounds of two battling warriors was perfectly executed. And it looked painful!

With Act 1 culminating in this moment, I felt assured that this season would truly be the best one yet-again! However, a re-watch, rereading my old comments, and time will tell what my own final thoughts will be. I like to reassess; hence, my newer posts before SEASON 4 STARTING IN A WEEK!!!!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on October 05, 2015, 08:33:48 PM
My introspection continues, as I rehash more on the third season. I hope I drive to a point where I hope to explain what I hope to see more from the show.

What I consider to be Act II of Season 3 is the sub-plot villain, Brick, all the way up to ĎPublic Enemyí. Vinnie Jones was a terrific thug and cutthroat. He had a shtick (ďYou get one chance to tag me. You put me down; you walk. Otherwise, youíre deadĒ). He wasnít an idiot or a fool. They created an actual menace in him that was a larger threat than the group, sans Oliver, could deal with.

For sure, the No Manís Land was a comic trope for the show, but I didnít feel it insulted any of us too much by its length, or the helplessness it forced upon the rest of the city or its police.

This ran concurrently with Oliverís convalescence from ĎThe Fallí. HOW DID HE ACTUALLY SURVIVE? A big hiccup and failure after an EXCELLENT episode that drew my ire. Considering he was Ďbrought back to lifeí by the woman to become Katana, I had hope for mystical Chinese herbs, or shades of magic from the katana (to give it more of the feel of its comic counterpart, since that houses the soul of her dead husband). Instead, he drank broth, did some pushups, and like Christian Bale in Dark Knight Rises, just got some facebook likes and up and away he went to save the city! His return in the subsequent fight against Brick, as a cityís savior, was a wonderfully created moment, that is only mirrored later by how far he falls in ĎPublic Enemy.í

After his return, there are many other...blemishes, Iíll call them. Bruises on an apple that was looking rather tasty after Act I and the beginning of Act II. We went from city threat, to personal threat, back to city thread, to just personal threat once again. All the cards come out on the table; Thea finds out about Ollie (in a beautiful moment that went against every Hollywood shtick of ďyou lied to me this whole time!Ē).  Merylnís video was made known to Thea, Thea confesses to Laurel; to Nyssa. The league makes moves against Starling to force Oliver to find a killer. This portion of the season was so very busy. Itís hard to write on it concisely considering the scope that was covered.

Oliver and Thea bonding together on Lian Yu to confront SladeÖtheir moments were good, but Slade was a poor season 3 guest star just to show him there.

Rayís continued quest to build the Atom suit was very apart from the workings of the show, but I didnít find his story to be lackingÖit just didnít mesh with anyone else (excepting Felicity). Since Oliver was removed from Queen Consolidated and had no money, financial backing, or popular city clout, Ray stopped being the popular antagonist to Oliverís actions. He was a good guy, doing good work, and always tried to help. Oliver was so busy with personal vendettas and trips, that Rayís angle didnít come across his desk.

The Canaries ep was a great way to bring Sara back to the fold. It took me a long time to believe in Laurelís growth (or acting, in most instances!), but her character arc only did Ėhonestly!-get stronger throughout the season, and she really started to own it quite well. Iím glad to see she got her ass kicked just as much as she actually did help.

Tremors in the Force appeared in Act II with the episode Nanda Parbat. This is where Thea trades in Merlyn to the League (Because she has them on speed dial? AnyhooÖ.). Oliverís plan involves them having to travel across the world to India to rescue him. So begins one of the 7 times or so they fly to India (Ray Palmer must be very forgiving of all the jet fuel they use!!). Oliverís reasoning for why they need to rescue them (to save Theaís soul from having been the reason her fatherís dead) was a bit hollow, since it was only done to get Ollie to meet Raís so that Raís may do the Offer of handing the League to Oliver. A plot line was driven and rammed down our throats through a weak story offering. It was always a bit poor in the original setting of Ďwhyí Malcolm needed to be kept around. Thatís the first point of contention. 

The second point of contention that was only cleared up later in Act III (thereís another!!) is that they keep referring to Malcolm as Theaís father~ as if that has any true importance between being a fact of genetics. Thea wasnít raised by him, loved by him, and in fact, he made her murder a friend to cover his ass!! The importance of him in Theaís life, in my estimation, should barely be a confliction in her feelings. Heís a father in that heís a genetic donor of the X chromosome to Moira Queen; thatís it. But, thatís just me.  But the overused angle of Ďwhy Malcolm canít get killedí is a bit of a letdown throughout the rest of this season. Ollie really got over what a terrible threat Malcolm is, was, and continues to be in a bit too nonchalant manner.

Itís an original staple of the Batman/Raís conflict from the comics that the Detective take over for the Demonís Head, and itís pretty much mirrored in the show from here on out. I canít say it worked all the time, but it gave some interesting conflicts, if only  at the expense of actual good writing to make it work all the time. Thatís another sour lemon to bite into during Act II and III.

However, after this ep were 2 of my favorite eps of all-ĎSuicidal Tendenciesí and ĎPublic Enemyí.

ĎSuicidalí gave all flashback parts to Floyd Lawton aka Deadshot. Heís a returning special forces guy, full blown PTSD, whose life just spirals away. This is mirrored with the current time, where his life finally has a brief meaning again to save Dig and Layla from a blown mission. ITís a sad ep; itís presumed Deadshot Ďleavesí the series since images have started to come out of Will Smith as Deadshot from the movie, and since they are different universes, we canít have them both running around. We also lost Captain Boomerang to his, and his tv character was great! To see Dig work his way around from needing to have deadly vengeance delivered to Deadshot for killing his brother Andy to actually being able to forgive the murderer, as well as care for his life was terrific writing through myriad episodes through 3 seasons. Here, the hero forgiving the dire villain works. With Ollie and Merlyn? Just not so much. Then again, Merlyn never gets close to redemption either!! He merely gets the scales balanced..or more aptly put, tilted in his favor.

ThenÖthereís ĎPublic Enemy.í
AMAZING EPISODE.

Iím not sure I can do more justice to the ep than I did in my original post, but Iíll still gush that this episode left me breathless and unable to comprehend what will happen after this one! Oliverís life is blown up. Itís upside down, inside out, 3 ways from Tuesday. Raís reveals to Det. Lance that Oliver and the Arrow are one and the same, and from that point it is just one tiny stone upending rock after rock after boulder that is the avalanche that crushes Oliverís life. Heís on the run. As are his compatriots. He has no plan. No back up. No chance to think or act-hell, he can barely react. Itís the least thing he can do to stem the tide of danger facing his friends-turn himself in! How? Wha? Hunh? Then the ending of that with Roy trying to take the bullet? OH man I couldnít wait to see the rest of the season!!!

Perhaps I spoke too soon.

And there's a third part!!!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 3
Post by: Jimmy T on October 11, 2015, 08:23:09 PM
LAST PART!! :D

Act III

This compromises the last 5 episodes of Season 3. Raís makes it impossible for Oliver to do anything but say yes to take over the Demonís Head. Oliver ends up taking Raís up on his offer after Raís sleeper agent/DJ McStud screws Thea (is this a rape after the fact), gets her calm, then nearly kills her. Taking her to Nanda Parbat (another plane ride), she is revived by the Lazurus Pit, but Oliver remains behind to become the Arrow..er, Al Sah-him.

From there, Ollie, through some drugs, starts to fall more and more under the sway of Raís and his plans. Team Arrow is back struggling to think of a way to get Oliver back. Their plans meet up when Oliver comes back to have to kill Nyssa, but is foiled. He does some very serious ill will to the group by holding Lyla hostage, and is forced to flee back to Nanda Parbat. Well, now Raís orders him to destroy his past forever by killing Starling City.

However, Malcolm has to come clean with the group that this was all a set up. Ollie is a double agent on the inside to take down  the League. Another plane trip to Nanda Parbat, a big assassin/Team Arrow fight, including Katana herself. However, they are all captured, nearly killed, but end up getting back for the final episode to defeat Raís!

Many things to touch on, and here goes with something Iíve mostly ignored in the prior parts.

Flashbacks in China: honestly, just boring. Moreso, I canít follow Amanda Wallerís motivations or practices. Sheís the head of Argus at this point, and she sees value in making Oliver into some black agent. Why? Is he really that specialized from his 2 years of island survival to become your secret weapon? Why not train him properly? Instead, you force him to live with another agent-who, by the way, is doing it under duress because you have threatened to kill his family if Oliver doesnít comply? What?! Isnít Argus an American agency? Black Ops is one thing, but sheís extorting and killing innocent people too? What is her game? This glaring injustice really detracts from any enjoyment from the flashbacks. When Maseo, Tatsu, and Oliver became a rogue team to stop the virus being spread, then it go interesting. Tatsuís sword fight with China White was fantastic too! Any use of her being a true threat was a great moment. Hope to see her appear a few more times in the series. Having Maseo be so damned selfish in his grief was really hard to watch, and to watch him leave his wife seemed extreme in action too.

Tatsu and Maseoís sword fight: As a quick follow up, this was SO COOL!! A great scene, you knew Maseo had to die here, but it was a fight of regret, loss, anger, and in the end, a truly, horribly sad moment. I think Maseo says something like he was already dead 5 years ago. But still, this moment had power and resonated for me.  Tatsu, while seemingly very taciturn for a lot of time seeing her (I donít know how well she speaks English; she was always very stilted in her speech.) But her misery and grief at Maseoís death was very powerful.

Thea coming back from the Pit: Iím to understand that this will hit more in the next season, but it was so glossed over at this point. When I think on it, this was, of course, just the set up hit to get Oliver to take Raís offer. AS I dwell on it, it feels like the season ran out of time to tell a properly layered and nuanced story of Oliver taking over the League and inserting his secret plan through it. From Theaís resurrection on, the whole third Act was just a whirlwind of continual change and hurried plans. Thatís why it didnít feel that impactful.  The turnabouts in the last 3 eps were just rushed and non-impactful. The gas to kill them? Like anyone bought the threat of them dying? I understand its more the character motivations that matter at that point. Could they or couldnít they trust Oliver? How should they react to being jerked around? Etc etc.

The League is a joke: I donít think I need to say much on this. Yes, our heroes must win against faceless goons, but these yutzes simply died like grass in Arizona. Pathetic. Felt no threat from them. Why fear the League at all? Felicity may have killed one by throwing a laptop at him! (okay, yeah, Merlyn did get him in the back with an arrow ;) ).

Motivations of Raís and making Oliver the Demonís Head: This one I could spend way too much time on. Not like I havenít mused enough on this season already! After the Offer ep, Raís just seems oddly pathetic, and past his prime. Some Ďancient prophecyí detailed Oliverís ascension, and well, that was it for Raís to say goodbye to the good life. Oliver hoodwinking him at the end made him look like an old man sitting at the dinner table going ďeh?Ē to all the jokes he canít hear from the grandkids. He grew weaker and weaker as a threat the more he was seen in the third act. Then, forcing Nyssa to marry OliverÖhuh? Sure, whatever. Keep the Batman story analogs going, I guess.

This all said, I still enjoyed the season...for the most part. Had some GREAT episodes, so many GREAT moments. Great characters doing great things with each other. The overall arc was not strong, and in some points, not very good. The characters ruled this season. Their directions, actions, reactions, interactions and feelings is what made so many moments of this season worth watching. So, I'm still all in.  8)