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Title: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on July 21, 2014, 08:15:36 AM
Okay, with boh Marvel taking over the Star Wars property and seeing the omni being solicited in next months previews, I really started thinking about the old question "where do you rank the films"

Now yes, Lucas ruined ... okay, did damage to "His creation" with the prequels (love how us fans deem how well the creator of something handles his creation  ;D), but even the worst of those has some (albeit minuscule) good stuff in them.

My main reason for doing this is I am having trouble with #3 and #4 on my rankings. The first and last two are easy enough for me, but its those middle spots in which I am struggling. Essentially Return or Revenge. Who belongs in that 3rd spot? Now on the surface it may look easy. I mean when Lucas brought us the prequels he brought a load of crap and sometimes those three shovelfuls get thrown in the same compost pile, but ... and maybe it is just me not truly remembering the movie ... was Revenge of the Sith really THAT bad?

Sure Revenge had an over abundance of bad digital effects, pretty weak dialog and of course, the dreaded Chistensen acting, but let's not forget that Return of the Jedi had Ewoks  ;) Of course it also suffers more than any other of the first three by having been handled too heavily by Lucas and his additional effects. Adding back ground in the windows of cloud city was a fantastic choice, all that damn music and singing ... no.

And that is where Revenge shines. Those effects. Again, yes they were overly used and there were some bad scenes (the fake looking fight with Anikin and Obiwan for example), but when they hit (space ship battle) they were a wonder to behold. Plus, it's the origin of Darth Vader,  damn it!

Yet, still, even with the damn Ewoks (yes, I hate them just as much as Jar-Jar) Return is better "story-wise" and I giess that has to win.

So I suppose, I still stick with -

1) Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back
2) Episode IV - A New Hope
3) Episode VI - Return of the Jedi
4) Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
5) Episode I - The Phantom Menace
6) Episode II - The Horrible Hill Roll ... Ummm ... Attack of the Clones

You?

Also, speaking of the disastrous scene in Attack where Anikin and Padmè roll down that damn hill, laughing and giggling ... ARRR, what are your favorite and least favorite parts of each movie? Gonna think on that for a few myself.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on July 21, 2014, 11:33:04 AM
Yeah, if there is anything I am more anal about than Star Wars and shitty minded authors and books...

...it's Star Wars.

For me!

1. Return of the Jedi: Sorry Perry, this story is all about Luke and a Jedi rising, saving Vader, and the most amazing fight/flight scene over Endor that still puts many, if not most, sci fi and action movies to shame. Ewoks? Whatever, that doesn't even phase me. But Luke's ascendance, the amazing movement of Vader's character throughout the film, one AMAZING Emperor (c'mon just remember that look he gives Luke, once Luke says "I'm a Jedi, like my father before me." IT's a priceless look! lol This has been, and always will be, my favorite Star Wars movie.

2. Empire: Anything need to be said? ;)

3. ANH: Ah, duh again.

4. Revenge of the Sith. For me, there was plenty in this movie that if another director or screenwriter could have just tweaked just a bit, it would have been great. The Council's shitty manipulation of Anakin. The Jedi hubris. The gleeful evil of the Emperor. Obi-wan's tortured anger at his apprentice. Hell, Hayden even turned in some good scenes, but he seemed like he had to be leashed to follow whatever Vader myth they wanted him to fulfill. (He did 'My Life as a House' between these movies, and showed he COULD act there). An okay lightsaber duel. Shitty Portman acting (she was atrocius through and through this trilogy).

5. Empty.

6. Empty.

7. Phantom & Attack: Seriously, these movies are so gawd-damned awful, I can't watch them. Best from them? Darth Maul & subsequent duel. The GREATEST LIGHTSABER FIGHTING OF THEM ALL. Amazing. Obi-wan & Jango fight. Great fight of a Jedi & non-Jedi. That Fett should have had legions of fans, not that turd that stood around then fell into a hole in 'Return.' Some of the visuals in the space fight were cool-the pure expanse of it-but that fact that it was all-poorly-rendered in CGI in many places, and that includes Clone troopers, ruins it for me.

And yes, that hill roll was AWFUL, as well as the jump down to the beast's back in the coliseum, and gives the quick kiss to her honey. ARGH AWFUL.

You want favorite & least favorite of all movies? I could write a doctorate thesis on this stuff.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on July 21, 2014, 02:21:55 PM
1. Return of the Jedi: Sorry Perry ...

No apologies. This is, like most, one of those things based solely on opinion  8)

And you opinion is certainly just as valid, if not more, than most.  :) (and yes, I know you didn't mean "sorry" quite like that)  ;)

I do have to ask, however, was this the first Star Wars movie you saw in person, at the theater, when it opened? I only ask because I have found throughout my LCS discussions, that the first movie that you saw of the original trilogy, has a higher "enjoyment rate" usually for fans. Most of the younger crowd (well 20 somethings) enjoy the hell out of Return. Now that rule of thumb doesn't always "hold water", but sometimes it is true. Of course it is not true for me, as I was an original Star Wars: A New Hope theater kid at the bright old age of 11 and I still prefer Emipre, but that first movie/theater does have some form of impact regardless. So just wondering if that was your first big screen one.

(Sill remember how my Grandmother, who took me, held my hand when that damn Star Destroyer flew into frame, and held it ever so firmer as it kept going. HAHA. As hard as it to believe, I think she was more fascinated and in awe than I was. Damn I love that memory.)

That said, the reason I had struggled so much with Return vs Revenge had a lot to do with how damn easily a character I just knew was gonna be a major threat in Return of the Jedi movie, was so easily taken out of the picture. (Fett) And in such a lucky (unlucky), happenstance manner. Totally pissed me off when I saw that and then became even madder when they used the damn Wilhelm scream, not even allowing our "most dangerous Bounty Hunter" to have his own vocal shout. They used the damn stock scream found in countless movies. Then, adding insult to injury and fire to my ire, they have the damn beast that ate him burp? HEY, YOU KILLED BOBA!! YOU BASTARDS!!! Death in almost the worst way possible, for a character I was looking to hate for years to come.

 >:( >:( >:(


You want favorite & least favorite of all movies? I could write a doctorate thesis on this stuff.

 ;D
Yes, that is what I was going for. Still don't have mine yet (other than "Hill Roll" being the ... well, maybe. Need to think on it more and watch the movies again to refresh myself on certain ideas/thoughts that I think I have.
 ;)

EDIT -

Screw it. Just want to do a first pass and see what I can recall from memory. My shitty, so shitty memory  :D Please note that making a list of the best (or the worst for that matter) is so damn hard because there are TONS of really cool moments that I am sure we all love. But as of this minute ...
 ;)

NEW HOPE
`Best - Seeing Vader come through that door and then hearing his voice for the first time. But I don't know, that memory of the Star Destroyer is pretty damn strong and of course, the classic "Don't get cocky"
`Worst - Have to think

EMPIRE
`Best - First time I saw those AT-AT's come into focus. So damn cool and so damn impractical  :D They should have called them AT-EWTATTTO - "All Terrain except where there are things to trip over". I will change this "best" to "This is no cave", "I am your father" or Yoda smacking the hell out of R2 any second now.
`Worst - Have to think

RETURN
`Best - More time
`Worst - Boba Fett's demise. Easily one of the most infuriating things I have ever seen in a movie. Even the sucky ass Ewoks fall in second to that crap. (In the Lucas "I can't stop retouching my movies" edition, having young Anikin be in the ghostly shot was pretty fucking bad)

The other films I need more time as well.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on July 21, 2014, 03:16:38 PM
I didn't see Empire in theaters, but I saw it before Return. Return was seen in theaters.

Even with that, I have no problem saying that Empire may in fact be the better movie (although, it does get off with being a middle part of the story; it's a great movie, leaves ya wanting more, it doesn't have to finish anything, it has the big reveal, so, it's like it has a leg up just because of that).

But personally, yeah, Return is great simply because of the Luke & Vader story, no doubt.

Yeah, Ewoks were never my favorite.

But the opening with Jabba's palace, Leia slave-bikini, Luke taking on the Jabba's barge by himself (I was never a Boba fan, so I laughed at his silly demise).

***

A New Hope

BEST: Trash compactor scene. To me, the characters, the actors, the editing of tense, 'how do our heroes get of this?', the humor, all rolled up EXCELLENTLY in this scene. Hell, maybe they weren't even acting. They were wet, frustrated, scared, at the end of their last nerve, they were all so good together right there, to me, alot of the pretending we are doing some stupid science fiction movie you can see in other scenes was absolutely absent from this, and I loved it. (This was more a thematic analysis. The BEST scene may honestly be the first appearance of the Executor in the first 2 minutes and Vader's entrance).

WORST: Probably the first 15 minutes of watching the droids. More on this theme to follow. (Also, although I still don't "count" it, is the insertion of digital Jabba. Bah. Unnecessary change.)

Empire

BEST: Pacing of the frantic flight from Bespin, lots of laser pistol fire, danger, things are racheted up so high!~juxtaposed against the deep, slow mood of Luke hiding and moving about, wondering where Vader is, and how he would try to stay alive. And, THE REVEAL!!

WORST: No worst. ;)

Return:

BEST: Just after Vader states, "If you will not turn to the dark side...then perhaps..SHE will..." and Luke just lets out "NOOOOO!" (and to me, fully embraces the dark side and lets loose on Vader). The music changes, takes on a frenetic, steroid-version of the Jedi music, and it all comes down to the final moments when Vader is beaten, his hand removed, completely at his mercy~ AND-and Luke pulls back, takes a shuddering breath, sees his father, not his enemy, and stands away. Luke cannot be beaten. The dark side has no hold on him. The Emperor will not prevail. LOVE that moment. ALWAYS gives me goosebumps

WORST: Ewoks. Yeah, duh, unnecessary, felt weak, and were only used because Lucas couldn't find enough people to be wookies. So did begin his 30 year love affair with Warwick Davis and little people. (In looking at remastered versions-HAYDEN AS THE JEDI GHOST NO. NO. NONONONONO. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. NO.)

Phanton Menace:

BEST: That trailer. The best movie trailer in existence. And Darth Maul, and lightsaber (a dual lightsaber!) dueling to end all fights.

WORST: The fact that Lucas made this movie like this. Yes, you can go Jar-Jar, Jake Lloyd, Gungans, Korean Neimodians, video game pod race, Boss Nass, MIDI-CHLORIANS, etc etc, but the worst to me is giving Darth Vader a nickname of ANI. "ann-nee" ARGH. Also, the fact that evryone would die, each movie, unless R2 fixes something to save all the dumb humans. *sighs*

Attack

BEST: As I said, Obi-wan/Jango. Great. Seeing the living Coruscant, being a part of it, versus a visitor as the first movie was. Also, a raging Anakin in the sandpeoples' tents. I laughed so hard! (for all the wrong reasons).

WORST: Everything between Padme/Anakin ever. The hill roll! The barebacked jump & kiss! The entire f'ing time with the droids in the factory! I hate C3PIO and R2! ohmigod Lucas make it stop!!! Yoda & Dooku fight. (*also, see name 'Dooku'). I can't believe Lucas ever saw his feet considering how stilted this whole damn movie was. Ugh. Waaaay worse than I remembered, once I saw it again over this year's May the Fourth

Revenge:

BEST: First act was pretty solid. I won't lie, highly enjoyed it all (even with R2 all around). Then, Padme came into the scene. Ugh.

WORST: Poor acting, shoddy dialogue, poor, poor characterization, and plot. Ewan McGregor was sooo wasted throughout these movies. He really did try to shine at so many points, but not in this trilogy.

I invite discussion. :D

Do I worry about what these next movies could do to "my" movies? Nope, doesn't matter. Because, no matter what, "my" movies are there. I really don't care that the prequel are there, they don't factor into how the actual movies make me feel, or wonder, or dream. Just like if the next ones are poor, it won't change how I'm able to watch the other ones.

Not. one. bit.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on July 21, 2014, 07:45:38 PM
it's too late for me to really bring my scope into this....but i will give you this to tide you over....


the ranking:

1)empire strikes back.  no doubt.
2)return of the jedi
3)a new hope
4)revenge of the sith
5 and 6 tied)phantom menace and attack of the clones.


i can't believe you have all missed the absolute BEST thing about TESB.  this is the film where Han really shows who he is.  he is a bad ass with a big heart.  the BEST thing about TESB is....."i love you."  "I know."  OMG...soooo smooth and badassed.  Han became my hero for all time at the tender age of 7.



Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on July 21, 2014, 07:46:54 PM
i will return for more of this hopefully tomorrow.  i have to pick up some power converters from toshi station.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on July 22, 2014, 06:08:36 AM
it's too late for me to really bring my scope into this....

Never !!! Never too late

5 and 6 tied)phantom menace and attack of the clones.
7. Phantom & Attack:

Okay slackers  :D Stop pussy-footing it and make a decision. Which one is the greater evil. Non of this they both are equally vile to me.
 ;D

i can't believe you have all missed the absolute BEST thing about TESB.  this is the film where Han really shows who he is.  he is a bad ass with a big heart.  the BEST thing about TESB is....."i love you."  "I know."  OMG...soooo smooth and badassed.  Han became my hero for all time at the tender age of 7.

Oh for sure, best ad-lib ever. Great moment

And seven? Awww, you knew what would work with the ladies even then. If you were an 80's hip-hop'er you could have been LLCoolJC.  ;) :)

I didn't see Empire in theaters, but I saw it before Return. Return was seen in theaters.

Hmmm, I wonder if that would count towards our LCS nonscientific and unfunded Star Wars theater research.
 ;D

But personally, yeah, Return is great simply because of the Luke & Vader story, no doubt.

Totally understandable

(I was never a Boba fan, so I laughed at his silly demise).

(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked032.gif)

I should expect such a thing from a DC lover. How dare you? BLASPHEMER
Damn You, good sir.
 >:(


 ;D

Trying not to read too much or yours Jimmy, as I do want to try to find my own without too much influence and then I shall return, but ...


A New Hope

BEST: Trash compactor scene

Yep, fantastic in all aspect.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on July 22, 2014, 07:26:31 AM
Very well. I choose THE PHANTOM MENACE as the worst. Only because Attack has more lightsaber fighting. And child actors are awful.  8)


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on July 22, 2014, 07:27:30 AM
and I simply never saw any real appeal in Boba Fett. He didn't do anything except say, what, 2 lines in Empire? Just didn't do anything for this kid. That, and he didn't have an awesome LAZERSWORD!!!! ;)


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on July 22, 2014, 11:02:31 AM
and I simply never saw any real appeal in Boba Fett. He didn't do anything except say, what, 2 lines in Empire?


I know, that is what made his demise in the next film so frustrating. You have this character that everyone was talking about at the end of Empire, even in the newspapers, so we (the fans) get so pumped about what he will do or so in Return and we get that shit?

You are right for not being enthralled by him, but being 14 or 15 when Empire first hit, THE Fett was a major deal ... in all of our minds at least. Lucas got so much shit over how he treated Boba that he created Jango Fett and "that is where the clones come from" as an apology. He tried to make it up to us and all that did was make us ... well ... me ... dislike Jango

Just didn't do anything for this kid. That, and he didn't have an awesome LAZERSWORD!!!! ;)

Yes, those are pretty bad-ass. Was watching the "Science of Star Wars" (I think it was, or Science of Sci-Fi maybe) and I found it hilarious that while going over all the items in Star Wars (or Sci-Fi in general) and how those items could or couldn't work in the real world, now or in the future, they had to mention the Lightsaber and discuss how light beams just ... don't stop at the end like that.
 :D
Well no shit
 :D

And speaking of Star Wars -
I have been trying and trying to get into the Clone Wars animated series and I am struggling. Only at episode 4 and yet I still can't get excited about watching more. It almost seems to kid oriented or something. Not that that is a bad thing, but it is harder for me to get into shows that are geared for that young of a crowd. I love animation, but if they are targeting too young a crowd I struggle with them. It;s why I think I enjoyed Young Justice over Marvel's Avengers. MA was geared to a younger crowd, or at least seemed that way.

Does Clone Wars get a little better? Should I stay with it or is it a case of if I'm struggling now, I will continue to struggle?

However, I am very hopeful for that new Star Wars animated show will pull me right in from the get go.

This looks pretty damn good and reminiscent of a certain movie that came out in 1977 called Star Wars !!!



Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on July 22, 2014, 04:42:25 PM
That trailer is looking better and better each time I watch it.
 :)


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on July 23, 2014, 03:23:26 PM
it's too late for me to really bring my scope into this....

Never !!! Never too late

5 and 6 tied)phantom menace and attack of the clones.
7. Phantom & Attack:

Okay slackers  :D Stop pussy-footing it and make a decision. Which one is the greater evil. Non of this they both are equally vile to me.
 ;D



ok ok damn you, sir...damn you.   ;D

i give the edge to TPM for 2 reasons....

1)the lightsaber duel between obi wai/qui gonn jin and darth maul.  i mean, seriously....that may be the 2nd best thing about the whole series.  for #1 see above...

2)for the phrase..."and there go Quadinaro's power couplings!"  i have adopted this saying for anytime something goes awry, breaks down or i hit a snag in a home project.  of course, the odd looks i get from my co-workers when our x-ray equipment goes down is awkward.



Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on July 23, 2014, 04:21:13 PM
... the phrase..."and there go Quadinaro's power couplings!" 

definitely going to have to watch for that. I don't remember that at all  :D :D


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on July 23, 2014, 07:14:17 PM
... the phrase..."and there go Quadinaro's power couplings!" 

definitely going to have to watch for that. I don't remember that at all  :D :D

it's during the pod race scene.  the one guy's pod doesn't start up and then his pods explode and fly all over the stadium.  the quote comes from the 2 headed announcer.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on July 23, 2014, 07:52:10 PM
Ahhhh, okay, gotcha.  :D (Damn I loved the sound of some of those pods racers.)


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on July 24, 2014, 05:53:58 AM
OH Ben Burt's sounds for the first movie? Just amazing. All the individual pod racers, the new ships, the sounds of the droi'dekas rolling around, the 'sha kaka" sounds with Maul's entrance. Sounds were great!

That announcer was also the comedian Greg Proops, by the by. Used to be a regular stand in on the first American 'Whose line is it?"


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on July 24, 2014, 08:10:36 AM
Ah, I didn't know that was Proops (Now on Yahoo comedy news, I think).

What do you think about the new animated SW (trailer posted a few posts back), Jimbo? You up for it or not?


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on July 26, 2014, 04:30:57 AM
Okay, yes I'm totally swiping this from Bleeding Cool, like most of the time ;D, and this may have been around for years, but it is the first time I can recall seeing it and man ... I about lost my shit when I saw this ...

HERE (http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/image-11.jpg?9098e0)

 :D :D :D


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on July 26, 2014, 08:27:35 AM
Bwahahahaha ;D


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jeff on July 26, 2014, 09:30:01 AM
That was hilarious!


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jeff on October 16, 2014, 10:33:02 AM
(http://www.nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Darth-Vader-burnt-helmet-150x150.jpeg)(http://www.nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Grave-Robber-II-150x150.jpeg)

Concept Art leaked for new Star Wars film.

See them all -->  HERE (http://www.nerdist.com/2014/10/star-wars-episode-vii-concept-art-leaks-onto-the-web/at-at-base-and-pod-junker/)


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jeff on November 06, 2014, 12:18:29 PM
We have a name!

http://www.blastr.com/2014-11-6/star-wars-episode-viis-official-title-has-finally-been-revealed (http://www.blastr.com/2014-11-6/star-wars-episode-viis-official-title-has-finally-been-revealed)

(http://www.blastr.com/sites/blastr/files/styles/blog_post_in_content_image/public/StarWars7Official.jpg?itok=uIe1_7pN)


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on January 01, 2015, 10:13:10 AM

Just a tease guys ...







(http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g476/ptsteelers/10891554_775641345847734_1418822970851297114_n_zps236144eb.jpg)


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on January 01, 2015, 10:23:54 AM
Is that a major photoshop or the real thing? HA ! Either way, looks great!


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on January 01, 2015, 11:44:28 AM
Is that a major photoshop or the real thing?

That is the question.
 :)


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jeff on April 16, 2015, 01:32:38 PM
We're home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on April 16, 2015, 07:56:49 PM
squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!  :D


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on April 17, 2015, 01:29:42 PM
i showed the new trailer to my daughters yesterday.  at the end when chewie and han step out of the falcon, my youngest daughter got a big grin on her face and said, "oooh, I wanna see that!"

 ;D


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on April 18, 2015, 05:57:39 AM
Yeah, this is making my pre-teen self come alive again.
 :)


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on May 06, 2015, 04:11:45 PM
just throwing this out there.......

has anyone noticed that when Luke starts speaking about the force, he says, "my father HAS it."?


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on May 06, 2015, 06:31:30 PM
That dialogue is just recycled from Return of the Jedi. Its when Luke is giving the reveal to Leia in the Ewok village. Its juggled out of order for the trailer but its the same.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on May 06, 2015, 06:35:33 PM
Also another possible spoiler/rumor milling around

that somehow, perhaps Vader has returned or been brought back in some form since his burned helmet has been found or scavenger?


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on May 07, 2015, 02:54:48 AM
just throwing this out there.......

has anyone noticed that when Luke starts speaking about the force, he says, "my father HAS it."?

A) Are we sure it is not Luke's son talking and
B) Does he not say "had" it?
(I have no idea as I only watched it once.)  ;D


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jeff on May 07, 2015, 04:27:57 AM
just throwing this out there.......

has anyone noticed that when Luke starts speaking about the force, he says, "my father HAS it."?

A) Are we sure it is not Luke's son talking and
B) Does he not say "had" it?
(I have no idea as I only watched it once.)  ;D

He definitely says HAS but Jimmy is correct that it's just the line from ROTJ replayed.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jeff on October 19, 2015, 08:13:41 PM
It's here!



Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on October 19, 2015, 08:18:45 PM
so apparently the entirety of the internet has crashed with people trying to buy tickets.  movietickets.com has been screwing with my mind and my heart for the past 30 minutes.  i get to the point of actually telling it to process my order and it crashes.  i hope i haven't accidentally bought 12 tickets when all i need is 4.  i actually don't think i have bought any.  no emails yet and i called the credit card company and the last charges on the card were from 2 weeks ago.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jeff on October 19, 2015, 08:23:31 PM
so apparently the entirety of the internet has crashed with people trying to buy tickets.  movietickets.com has been screwing with my mind and my heart for the past 30 minutes.  i get to the point of actually telling it to process my order and it crashes.  i hope i haven't accidentally bought 12 tickets when all i need is 4.  i actually don't think i have bought any.  no emails yet and i called the credit card company and the last charges on the card were from 2 weeks ago.


That is crazy!  Surely they should have anticipated the volume. I guarantee some IT guy is getting yelled at right now.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on October 19, 2015, 08:25:13 PM
fandango is having the same issue apparently.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on October 20, 2015, 07:00:59 AM
Now I am NOT joking anyone for their desire to see this movie, I personally am really, truly excited about seeing this, but to see this with a crowd of 200 people just doesn't fill my cup. I will wait until a weekday, go to the one theater on base and sit with about 4 people instead. Even if I have to wait 5 days.
 :D ;D



Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on October 20, 2015, 07:17:31 AM
I was trying to determine if the last lines of the trailer were said by Leia "The Force...it's calling to you...just let it in..."

SO!....did Luke just disappear after ROTJ and never train any other Jedi? If this timeline is correct with our time, then it's been almost 33 years since the Empire fell....which means that no one still has bothered to find or look for Jedi...the longer lived species would remember that...but since Ep III, that was about 57 years ago...and I don't know that much (at least, what I should!) about many particulars from 60 years ago (and before I get jumped on, WWII does not fall into a 'particular' ;) ).

I only muse out loud~none of this is gleaned from interviews or rumors. I'm avoiding all that-although, the night the movie is released, the entire internet and all local and variety shows will discuss every moment of the movie! I'm hoping I can see it on a Sunday afternoon of the weekend release without having been spoiled.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jeff on October 20, 2015, 07:45:05 AM
My wife is like Perry - hates crowded theaters.  So I may have go solo the first weekend - well, I'll take the kid with me for sure.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on October 20, 2015, 02:40:58 PM
i hate crowded theaters also, but i just can't wait too long to see this.  i mean, the 2nd showing on Saturday?  come on!  if i didn't have kids who wanted to go, i would be there thursday night at midnight.  i can see it again in an uncrowded theater a week or two later AND have all the spoilery info and easter eggs that i may have missed the first time to look for.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on October 21, 2015, 06:06:46 AM
The thing that I will hate is that the internet will have nothing but spoiler filled headlines from 'news' sites everywhere. Imdb spoils, CNN spoils, MSN spoils; they all do! So, the next morning after the midnight release, I have to go in hiding to NOT be spoiled about the movie!


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on October 21, 2015, 11:26:19 AM
Eh, what are they really gonna spoil though?

Or will there be "I am your father" type spoilers that get aired on Newsweek or CNN? I mean, maybe. And I am sure you may get the "this character died" type of thing, but meh, nothing that I am going to worry about. I will avoid going to Star Wars dot com or perhaps my "twitter" usage will be lower, but I don't go to too many places, usually, where spoilers are gonna hit in me in the face and to be honest, I am not overly ... overly pissed about minor spoilers I hear anyway. I already know a little of what may happen.

I go out of my way to avoid the ones I can (even as far as never watching "nexxt week on ..." ads after I watch a show  :D), but I know it is part of the entertainment business now that with all the cool stuff we hear about ... speculations and early teasers and info we get about upcoming things, we also pay the price with spoilers.

I do understand the reason for people going when they can so they won't be spoiled, but I just can't take the crowded room with its dismal atmosphere and hate it when I end up missing half of the information or context anyway. Just easier for me to bite the bullet on a few spoilers and go when I an hear everything I want to hear ... what they wanted me to hear ... kick my feet up on the chair in front of me and enjoy myself that way.

I do honestly understand the other way to go about it as well, however.  ;D  8)


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on October 21, 2015, 07:52:53 PM
Eh, what are they really gonna spoil though?


Honestly, there is no shame about what sites will do to push out the first headline here or there.

I did lose count tracking news sites that would do such things as "You won't believe who won <insert game show here>!" and THEY PUT THE PICTURE OF THE WINNER NEXT TO THE HEADLINE!!!

They commonly spoiled who died on GoT by putting the picture of the deceased next to the headline. It won't suprise me to see something like "Guess which original SW character dies!" and have Lukes picture next to it.

No, those headlines I'm seriously dreading. One off comments by idiots on the Today show that reveal spoilers I'm afraid of. Many, many things I dread about being spoiled.

But I want to enjoy the movie, and not sit in a theater of 200 elbow to elbow.

I most certainly will have to go net dark when it comes out. I have no doubt about that.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on October 22, 2015, 07:20:54 AM
Honestly, there is no shame about what sites will do to push out the first headline here or there.

I did lose count tracking news sites that would do such things as "You won't believe who won <insert game show here>!" and THEY PUT THE PICTURE OF THE WINNER NEXT TO THE HEADLINE!!!

They commonly spoiled who died on GoT by putting the picture of the deceased next to the headline.

Dear lord, what site are you going to?  :o If nothing else, just so I can avoid that news site for ... like ... ever!!! THAT is bullshit. Don't blame ys for being mad or avoiding them. I know Yahoo use to post American Idol losers. hahaha. Though I laugh only because I care not at all for that show. I am sure others that DVR'd it found it less amusing. But they stopped doing that last year ... or a couple years ago.

I know every site wants the clicks, but I don't think that is the best way to get them. HAHA. Unless the goal is to have a ton of angry people on your doorstep.

But then again, the internet is seemingly made for angry people to vent, anonymously, so maybe that is their goal. Just get the clicks?

As for going dark  ;D I hear ya. Like I said, I will avoid Twitter and the like (though I am not a social media type, at all, so that is about the only site of that nature I will avoid. Obviously I won't click any SW links on BC  :D

But again, and I know it is not the case for most people, spoilers kinda hit me weird. Yes I like the not knowing until I "get there" on most things, but sometimes the "surprise" is still a "surprise". Sometimes it matters not if I see it at the time or hear about it before. Just depends on the Spoiler size I guess. (Of course remember, I stop watching shows before they show next weeks stuff, so I am very hypocritical)
 :D :D

I just hope to avoid the major stuff for about a week. Just long enough to get the crowd on a Wednesday morning, at or around 10:15, on a Naval base, down a little more than opening weekend at the Cineplex.
 :D :D :D
(I don't expect the "3 people" size that watched Ant-Man with me, but hoping for the "30 people" size that watched Avengers 2 with me)
 ;D ;D
 


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on December 19, 2015, 08:24:40 PM
sooooo.....who has seen it?  i saw it this afternoon so i have ended my self imposed 2 day internet exile.  anxious to discuss. 


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on December 19, 2015, 08:47:47 PM
I also saw it. ..Thursday. ..but I just wanted to let it ruminate fir 3 days or so first. ;D


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on December 19, 2015, 09:14:52 PM
well, this is all i'll say for now in case anyone (i'm looking at you, Perry ;D) is having reservations on whether to go see it or not...i think it is the 2nd best film in the franchise just behind TESB.  JJ really knocked it out of the park.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on December 21, 2015, 05:32:36 PM
Half way through I sent a fast text to my wife telling her that I felt 12 again. Was just in love with this.

I left with a slightly different feeling, but yeah, we are at least back on track. This new movie washed the horrible taste of Episodes 1 out of my mouth though I still need a pick to remove the memory of Episode 2 (that damn rolling down the hill scene).

The only bad thing I can say, and it's not really bad as much as an easy observation that most will make, sadly, is
that it felt like we've been through this once too many times. Like there was this huge buzzing in my ear that kept saying "Here we go again, another Death Star". Almost like I watched a re-make of Episode 4 ... in a way

Again, nothing to ruin the movie for me but ... ya know?

Having said that, The new cast is one I think I will enjoy seeing for years to come. Loved them all!!!!!  :) Great job all around.
 :)

Okay, I do want to say more, but I will also wait.  :D


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on December 21, 2015, 07:54:49 PM
has everyone seen it yet?  speak now....i crave to discuss this movie.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on December 21, 2015, 08:01:11 PM
has everyone seen it yet?  speak now....i crave to discuss this movie.

Well go ahead, just say you're gonna talk spoilers and spew  ;D If anyone reads past that warning ... well, ya know.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on December 21, 2015, 08:12:41 PM
i guess i could do it like this....

was anyone else disappointed when Chewie, Rey and Finn got back to the rebal base after Kylo killed Han that it was Rey and NOT Chewie who hugged and consoled Leia?  it leads me to my theory that Rey is actually  a Solo and Kylo's sister.

*whew*  i feel better now.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on December 21, 2015, 08:17:25 PM
i guess i could do it like this....

was anyone else disappointed when Chewie, Rey and Finn got back to the rebal base after Kylo killed Han that it was Rey and NOT Chewie who hugged and consoled Leia?  it leads me to my theory that Rey is actually  a Solo and Kylo's sister.

*whew*  i feel better now.

Yeah...

I got into a couple of conniption fits. I'm glad Chewie was able to Wookie rage and really wreck some stuff at Han's death. But I wanted a long, mournful, soulful howl at the moon for his loss. A little peeved that Chewie didn't get to be sad.

Then, YEAH, I keep going over whether or not Rey is a twin/sibling to Kylo/Ben. I'm going with not-because that would be utter crap by that point to not tell her. "Oh hey Rey, Leia here. So....I'm your mother, Han was your father...but you never got to realize that because he's dead now. Oh yeah, Kylo there was your brother, but neither of you remember because you were Jedi mind-wiped or something."

<I'm working on my Jedi-mind wipe theory for when I go ballistic and really do my review write up. Gloves are off!!!>

So, eventually, a major SPOILERY talk on TFA when I get to it next!


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jimmy T on December 21, 2015, 09:18:47 PM
Full spoilers and discussion then!!



So, I totally enjoyed this movie. Had a good, great time with it. But I'm me, and will still be a snark, because, well, it's just me. ;)

I did have to say this after it was over "Does JJ only just remake the really good stuff? This was the Superman Returns of Star Wars movies!" (since Star Trek Into Darkness is a combo of TOS with Khan and Star Trek II. Homages are one thing; direct lifts are another.)

Then again, a direct lift maybe would help people with the transition to a SW movie that didn't have a Skywalker or Vader in it. All uncharted, new, scary territory...so, lets have the evil Empire hunting for sensitive data that is hidden in a cute little, unobtrusive droid that is found by a lonely waif of a teenager on a desert planet that must get the data back to a rebellion via a flight on a Millennium Falcon,. At some point, a star of death will be used to destroy a planet, but this killing planet will be easily taken down by a few people down a trench run. 8) 8)

I joke. I really do. I still enjoyed the hell outta it!

Played the right beats, made me smile, and made me want to see more of the new characters. Finn and Poe's early exuberance in camraderie and friendship was done so well. I immediately wanted to root for both their successes. I thought they went and killed Poe right away! I got pissed!

Through Poe and Finn, you can see that this is a 'modern' made movie. The off the cuff humor (which I'll call Whedonesque; we should all know that) almost didn't seem to fit the framework of a SW movie, but then it did. Because it's a movie.

As much as I loved Poe and Finn, I loved Rey even more. Reading about how hard her first days filming were to seeing the finished project, man, am I impressed. Following her journey, her turmoil, her loss and her hopes; just done so amazingly well. I gush. She deserves it.

Then...we have Han and Chewie. Harrison Ford was SUPERB. He got a genie's wish to channel a younger man and show why so many loved Han the most. He had energy, presence, charisma, and he just owned any scene he was in. Hell, even Chewie was such a great old friend to see again; I felt like I spoke Shyriiwook! They welcomed in, made us feel like at home, and let us know that it's okay to love this movie.

Adam Glass...Kylo Ren. I can't tell if he's a handsome man, or a bit fugly, or just goofy...but man, I couldn't take my eyes off him. I was entranced with his performance. LOL Can't even explain it. Not sexually! But I just wanted to soak up all that he did. I loved the weird thing he did with pounding his wounds at the end of the movie to hurt more to channel the dark side! I assumed that's what he was doing! And I loved his conflict!!

Didn't care for such a CG looking created character in the Supreme Leader Snoak. Way too Gollumy...since he was played by Andy Serkis too!

Maz Kanata was a wonderful little lady creature! So sweet and loveable!

The effects of the Falcon flying; awesome; loved it!

The CGI monster on Han's merchant ship; eh, not as much, but the sequence was hella fun.

I was mad at the theater when they groaned seeing Leia for the first time. When 65 years old you get, look as good you will not!!

So, Ben Kylo Ren was Han and Leia's kid. I kept wanting to see if Rey was a twin/sibling...but it just didn't seem what was meant to be. She's either Luke's kid, or a really special Force adept that Luke kept from Ben's attack on his other students (that they hinted at in the movie). But still...did a Jedi Mind-wipe occur to Rey to keep her on Jakku so she wouldn't leave? Did Kylo get wiped as well? Then again, if she was there for, what, a decade, I can see an adult really not recognizing someone thought lost for 10 years or more....maybe...that's in the telling.

I'm not even upset by Han's death. He had a great movie, and well...even old heroes fall. It helps to transfer the movie along to a new generation.

I think they played all the right notes, kept things a little safe, but gave us so much more that we can readily fall into this new SW universe. I'm so very happy for it. :)



Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jeff on December 22, 2015, 03:07:18 PM
Just got back from seeing the movie.  I'm still digesting.  I have some minor gripes but overall I liked it.  

Going now to read the spoilers above.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on December 24, 2015, 08:57:22 AM
going again tomorrow with the kids, my brothers and my parents.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on December 24, 2015, 12:47:04 PM
My youngest daughter is coming into town and wants to take me, so I will be hitting it again as well. Not sure if she has seen it or not, yet.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on December 26, 2015, 08:42:05 PM
So after coming down off the percocet*,we all went to see it again yesterday.  

lemme tell ya', i'm a grown ass 42 year old man, and....

i STILL got choked up when Han died.







*see my "christmas eve surprise" post in the HR mega forum, 'natch.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on December 27, 2015, 10:17:41 AM
lemme tell ya', i'm a grown ass 42 year old man, and....

i STILL got choked up when Han died.

Really? I wish I had that.  :'( I think the way they did it, we knew it was going to happen well before it did. Even before the conversation between the two, you could tell ... yeah ... this is gonna happen. Not that it ruined the moment entirely, but I just didn't get hit with the feels I was hoping for and maybe a more sudden approach would have hit me emotional harder. I wanted the "I am your father" moment there. I wanted the jaw drop "Holy Shit!!" moment and instead I got the Oh, Jabba and his crew were waiting for Leia to unfreeze Han moment. It was kinda expected and just lessened the reaction for me.

I miss him more now than I was saddened by the initial death then
I mean, that's good I guess, that should be the case I suppose.
 :-\

But
, I also had to go into the movie really pissed at Harrison Ford. I thought what he did on Jimmy Fallon was a total slap in the face of all the fans and I really lost a lot of false respect for him. I mean, dude, I know you are not a fan of the series and all, but you don't have to be an ass about it.
>:(


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: jedicow on December 27, 2015, 12:39:24 PM
what did he do on Fallon?


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on December 27, 2015, 02:17:24 PM
what did he do on Fallon?

Oh there is a clip out there. Just being an ass about Star Wars (which he has said many times he hates and thinks as of us fans as just "customers" yet he refused to do the movie until he was paid 5 times what the young stars were paid) and his action figure and ... you name it. Maybe it was just me, but I took it so bad it ruined Han Solo. I hope just for awhile, as I am sure I will get over it.
 :D
But yeah, he had a chance to come on and "do the turn" (Talk about the movie) and he just seem to shit on everything


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on April 14, 2017, 12:58:47 PM
Even though all I really hear is the Joker  :D :D

This looks AMAZING!!!



Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jeff on April 14, 2017, 01:08:13 PM
BIG THUMB UP!!!!!


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on April 14, 2017, 01:24:58 PM
BIG THUMB UP!!!!!

Are you Rick Grimes now? Just one?

 :D :D :D


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Jeff on April 14, 2017, 02:35:06 PM
BIG THUMB UP!!!!!

Are you Rick Grimes now? Just one?

 :D :D :D

Arrrrgh! That's was supposed to say THUMBS!


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Mitch on May 05, 2017, 01:07:13 PM
Maybe it was just me, but I took it so bad it ruined Han Solo. I hope just for awhile, as I am sure I will get over it.
 :D

Yeah,  I know what you mean.   Depending on the character or the actor, sometimes I can look past it.  Sometimes I can't. For example, I used to be a big Ed Harris fan. But then there was one time years ago where I saw him open his big mouth and reveal his empty head and I haven't been able to watch him onscreen since.


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Perry on May 05, 2017, 02:20:07 PM
I hear ya. I think he had the same effect on me, though I can't remember why or where.
 :D :D


Title: Re: Star Wars
Post by: Mitch on May 05, 2017, 02:52:24 PM
There's been a lot of discussion about the statement in the trailer about an end to the Jedi. I realize I might get whacked with a lightsaber for this opinion but I think it might be cool if that did happen. It would be neat to see Rey as a force-sensitive Warrior with an allegiance to neither the beaurocratic dogmatic Jedi or the chaotic Sith.