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Title: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on November 29, 2013, 03:41:42 PM
Coming in February....

(http://www.mycomicshop.com/res/images_products/import_from_office/subservice/DEC13/DEC130616.jpg)

Fantastic Four 1 (02/26)

(W) James Robinson (A/CA) Leonard Kirk 'THE FALL OF THE FANTASTIC FOUR' PART 1 The world's greatest comics magazine begins anew with Marvel's First Family, the Fantastic Four! But as the brilliant MR. FANTASTIC, the compassionate INVISIBLE WOMAN, the ever lovin' THING & the hot-headed HUMAN TORCH embark on a strange mission, they aren't met with new beginnings, but an untimely end! As the family of cosmic explorers head towards their darkest hour, who could possibly be behind their downfall? And how is one of their oldest enemies, the sadistic dragon known as Fing-Fang-Foom involved? Prepare for the fantastic!


Will Perry be able to resist?


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR - New Series by James Roninson
Post by: Perry on November 30, 2013, 07:27:47 AM
Will Perry be able to resist?

Yes, that is the question  :D

Sadly, the answer is yes. Yes I will be able to resist.  :-\

I feel I am resolved to just enjoying MY "first family of comics" in the "back issue bin" (used as a metaphor). I may further celebrate my love for the F4 by buying the new Marvel EPIC COLLECTIONS sets, SEEN HERE (http://www.collectededitions.com/marvel/features/ce_spotlight_041213.html), (basically it is the Essentials, but with a little better paper stock and in color) starting with the first release, vol 17 (collecting issues from around 298 to the early 300's), but even that I am not sure about.

The reason, and another sad revelation for me, is that after the last few incarnations of the Four, it is painfully obvious they have just out-lived their days. The passion is just gone.

That is not a knock on the team. I mean, if you want some good, classic Marvel, you go back and read some 70's and early 80's F4. Aint nothing like it. Great stuff. But recently ... eh.

Of course, if this new title would have had an artist I truly enjoyed, I am not sure my will and ability to stay way would have been so devout and strong.
 ;)



Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR - New Series by James Roninson
Post by: Jimmy T on December 03, 2013, 09:56:30 PM
My Leonard Kirk enjoyment cells in my brain just sighed in a depressed manner due to your comments Perry. :(

Loved the FF From Waid (skipped JMS; no loss), Millar was pretty solid, and Hickman took Millar's messy toys and built something really awesome out of it for me.

Who just wrote FF? Was it Fraction? Gawdawful. I couldn't get through 2 issues. This could bring me back. Depends on what Robinson shows up. (Recent Earth-2 Robinson? Or JLA Robinson?)


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR - New Series by James Roninson
Post by: Perry on December 04, 2013, 07:25:23 AM
My Leonard Kirk enjoyment cells in my brain just sighed in a depressed manner due to your comments Perry. :(

My eyes offer their sincere apologies to your grey cells.
 :)


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Perry on March 01, 2014, 06:42:42 AM
ALL NEW FANTASTIC FOUR Issue #1

First and foremost I must eat a little crow and tell Jimmy I was wrong. So, Jimmy, I was wrong. I really enjoyed Leonard Kirk's art in this issue. I was never a fan before, but his style looks more like Stuart Immonen in this issue than what I remember of his work prior, so yes, I enjoyed it.

Now that I have downed those feathers  ;D ...

I enjoyed this issue. After that less than enjoyable start of the Invaders, I was honestly scared going into this issue. But thankfully James pulled through. He brought us THE Fantastic Four. He brought the voice of the characters as well as the true tone of the team. Both aspects were sadly missing in the last run by Fraction, but I can say with glee that the FF is now back to where they are suppose to be and I am really intrigued by what this is heading to (we are pretty much told what will happen on page one, but getting there will be fun ... and that is something I wasn't sure of prior to reading)

However, I do have one complaint. It is not just on Robinson, as a lot of creators are now doing it, but this habit of using two pages for the freakin credits has just gotten out of hand. I am not sure if it was Bendis or Hickman that started it, or when I first noticed it, but it is bullshit. What pisses me off is that they (Marvel) include those two pages as part of the toal pages in the story. "22 pages of story". Well, no, its freakin 20 pages of story and a huge ass credit scene.
 >:(

I will add a picture here soon, as soon as my phone charges to show what the hell I mean, but I am sure you guys are aware of the practice.

Still, even with that crap  ;D I enjoyed this issue.

7 outta 10 - New uniforms

Oh ... and  ...  :D

Will Perry be able to resist?

Yes, that is the question  :D

Sadly, the answer is yes. Yes I will be able to resist.  :-\

OOOps
 :D


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Perry on March 01, 2014, 12:26:56 PM
As promised, though later than expected ...

(http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g476/ptsteelers/0ef779e6-1451-4cb4-8a4a-80f2c7f1f871_zpsd1682512.jpg)

This.
This shit is just getting out of hand.
I, nor anyone else, consider this two page of credits as "story" so Marvel, stop implying it is!!!
 >:(


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on March 01, 2014, 06:37:25 PM
I get it. They are trying to be cinematic.  I don't normally mind it but you are right that they shouldn't be selling those two pages as story.


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Perry on March 01, 2014, 06:47:13 PM
I get it. They are trying to be cinematic. 

Oh, you're spot on, but with all the other double-spread pages I could use a little less cinema on my paper.  ;)

Felt like there was only 30 comic panels in this entire book. That is not true, but it felt that way. It still averaged, with its 22 pages and 85 panels, a paltry 4 panels per page (3.9 actually). Not a lot of art work in that average. Big art, but not a lot.
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Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Jimmy T on March 02, 2014, 08:00:21 AM
But how else can you double ship a book each month? ;)

Not saying that's how FF will be...but...that's how other books have had it done.


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Perry on March 02, 2014, 09:01:08 AM
But how else can you double ship a book each month? ;)

Not saying that's how FF will be...but...that's how other books have had it done.

Well as I am sure you know, FF 4 and 5 are solicited for the same month.  ;)

I don't mind it as much as I use to (as I only get a few Marvel books now)  :D

Besides, I understand the reasoning. Marvel use to publish about 100 books a month and the last 20 or so sold for tit, so instead of that, they decided to focus on less titles, but publish the same volume. Makes sense.



Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on March 02, 2014, 09:55:15 AM
I have to say that I also liked this issue. I'll likely add FF onto my pull for the foreseeable future.  It does kind of feel like the old Fantastic Four - especially with Ben wearing the old trench coat and hat and going to see Alicia.

I'm interested in seeing how things unfold to get us to the teasers we got at the beginning.  Good start to what appears to be a good run.


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Perry on March 05, 2014, 06:22:49 AM
It does kind of feel like the old Fantastic Four - especially with Ben wearing the old trench coat and hat and going to see Alicia.

Exactly what I thought. I thought it felt like reading the great Roy Thomas, Rich Buckler (my favorite FF artist) and Joe Sinnott issues of the mid to late 70's. It just had that "feel" to it.


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Perry on May 13, 2014, 01:20:54 PM
Issue #3

Okay, it happened. Finally. A writer (one whom I never would have expected it to be ... for some reason) has finally made me feel like I am 12 again just by reading a Fantastic Four comic. Now I don't mean he made me re-live those feelings of being confused by body changes and going mad with testosterone influx  ;D I mean feeling like I'm 12 in the best way possible. The way I use to feel when I read the FF back then. Just loving comics.

This issue, to the non-Fantastic Four fan, is nothing spectacular, hardly anything great in here that they would notice at all in-fact, but there is something here that makes this such a time-traveling device for us FFFans that makes this issue so great. The dialog was spot on. The voice of each character was solid as a rock. The theme/plot was one that is very much like the plots when the cover price was 30 (or maybe 35 at the most). That last page reveal ... so damn perfect that it put a huge smile on my face. I remember this kind of comic. I remember when this comic, this title was like this. This comic, this issue, brings me back when it not only said "The Worlds Greatest Comic Magazine" on the cover, but actually F'n meant it.

Again, I can't stress enough that there is nothing of great importance in this issue, I don't want you to rush out thinking this will be a comic that you can resell for a huge profit or anything (because it wont be)  ;D, but the greatness that resides in this issue is more important than any monetary value that could be placed on it. Yes, what is between these pages is a trip back in time, when the Fantastic Four were just that ... FANTASTIC!!!

9 outta 10 times looking for my first pubes  :D :D
EDIT - (Ummm, the book is better than that sounds aloud  :D)


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on May 22, 2014, 04:28:51 AM
Issue #4

Another fun but nothing mind blowing issue.  Typical super hero team fight super villain team.  But it was fun nonetheless.  Guest stars Ant Man and She Hulk were fun to see.

But I have to say.  I just don't get Miss Thing.  Dumb name and she looks ridiculous.


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Perry on May 22, 2014, 04:37:13 AM
But I have to say.  I just don't get Miss Thing.  Dumb name and she looks ridiculous.

Have yet to read my issue ... as it isn't here yet  ;D, but I agree. It started as a fun homage to Ben's suit he used to wear back in the day of 25, and with Fraction writing, although it still didn't work for me, I could see that "funny" aspect to it. But now, it's time for her top go. I applaud James trying so hard to stay with continuity (as much so that he has even worked in some Cap and Namor angst in INVADERS due to what's going to happen in Original Sin), and even stating that he is trying to work in and follow up on what writers before him brought, but I would not miss her at all. Time for her to go or at least retire the suit and let her become just a regular character again.


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Perry on June 02, 2014, 06:08:11 AM
Not sure who is following this "story" or who is not, but if this is true (and with each new report, I start to worry more) I will be utterly heartbroken.

Marvel to cancel the Fantastic Four because of Fox Studios?

Now this was primarily from Bleeding Cool, known for some over the top speculation at times, but also known for getting the "dish" way before anyone wants them to.

But here are the two reports, with the even more scary CBR comment (scary because they have a habit of not just reporting "rumors").

Article one - HERE (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/05/29/would-marvel-really-cancel-fantastic-four-to-snub-fox/)

Article two - HERE (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/05/30/artists-given-specific-instructions-not-to-use-fantastic-four-characters/)

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Perry on June 02, 2014, 06:34:08 AM
Been thinking on this more, and the only thing I can think of is that maybe Robinson, with his FF plotting, is doing something big with the family and Marvel is trying to keep all aspects quiet. Since issue #1 of the current run Robinson has been saying he is going to tear down the family to bring them back up, so maybe that is all part of this.

I mean, comics are not that effected by movies (and I can't see the reverse being any different) so pulling the FF just for Fox is kinda stupid.


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Jimmy T on June 02, 2014, 06:36:35 AM
It's hard to believe that the comic side is cranky/pissed at the movie side, and would do this. I mean, would NOT selling the comic really harm a movie production? I sincerely don't think so, but I'm not in the business, so I have hard time understanding any thing that appears stupid to me. ;)

But...very weird. I'd prefer it to have to be something to do with Robinson's plans instead of a snub at Fox.


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on June 02, 2014, 08:12:12 AM
It could explain why they are killing the Watcher.  When was the last time we saw a skrull?  Hmmmmmm.

Seriously, I don't see how this would make good business sense.  The movie should bump up the sales of the comic.


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on June 02, 2014, 04:13:09 PM
You know the old saying, "There is no such thing as bad publicity." Could just be one big publicity stunt to stir up interest in the film.


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Perry on August 03, 2014, 07:06:11 AM
FANTASTIC FOUR #7

Once again we find that James Robinson can write the ever loving dog shit out of the Fantastic Four!! No bones about it, this guy knows and respects these characters. Not only that, but he takes that intrusive Original Sin tie-in mandate and spins it into a yarn worthy of any FF story of the past. In fact, there is even one panel that pays total tribute to said past. Johnny, saddened by what he has done (ruined Ben's chance to be "human"), stands there looking at his hands, with his palms up, just like Ben did on the classic Fantastic Four #51 cover of "This Man, This Monster" that this issue is ... related to.

Love how Robinsons does that. Throws little Easter eggs into his stories for old fans to grab hold of, peel, eat and enjoy.  ;D

Plus, Robinson knows how to end a freakin issue. He is always killing that last page. In true classic FF style he leaves you drooling for the next issue to hurry up and arrive in your hands. Damn have I missed that "What is going on? Well tune in next month to finds out" feeling. Robinson gives it to us each month.

If you were ever a fan of the FF, back when the cover price was less than a quarter and a dime, you really need to buy this book. Honestly. This is the FF of old.




Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Wringer on August 03, 2014, 09:54:33 PM
the first issue should be hitting MCU soon if not this week...we got Invaders 2 wks ago.  FF is always hit or miss with me but with your recommendation i will give it a read.


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Perry on August 04, 2014, 05:46:03 AM
You may have to wait an additional 2 months to get the "real good" stuff, as issue #1, while good in a classic FF kinda way, is also kinda typical in an FF kinda way. If you get what I mean. The first two issues border on that "hit or miss" deceleration :-\
I enjoyed it as it certainly had the voice of the characters correct (something most writers just can't get right), the threat to the characters correct (The FF have a certain danger level that should be maintained) but the enjoyment of the characters was slightly missing.

Again, the first two issues were not bad, but not as enjoyable as ... well, I guess issue #3 was when I started to get the nostalgia tingles and then that last page of issue #3 was when it finally kicked off to feeling like the FF of old!!
 :)

But yes, not too much longer. :)

Gonna be joining you and Jimmy soon enough on that Marvel Unlimited as well. As I am not "collecting" and Ebay is just getting to be a pain for me, why should I keep spending $20 a month on Marvel comics, when I can spend $70 a year and just have to wait a little? I mean, I am really gettin into my HC buying now and that is nothing but waiting.
 ;D


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Jimmy T on August 04, 2014, 07:54:59 PM

Gonna be joining you and Jimmy soon enough on that Marvel Unlimited as well. As I am not "collecting" and Ebay is just getting to be a pain for me, why should I keep spending $20 a month on Marvel comics, when I can spend $70 a year and just have to wait a little? I mean, I am really gettin into my HC buying now and that is nothing but waiting.
 ;D


And yeah, I'll be right there waiting for FF. If it is Robinson greatness, I have no problem getting that in trade...along with my 6 Byrne Visionary FF trades...Millar's duo of trades...Hickman's 6 Fanastic Four and 4 FF trades... like me some FF!!!

And Unlimited is great fun! Some times miss the floppies, but I'm already nearing my "done with it!" phase with ebay. Got some more I want to move, then a definite break will be coming.

And I like getting the trades I really enjoy, too!


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Perry on March 29, 2018, 12:12:00 PM
F.F. officially back in monthly coming August.

Dan Slott and Sarah Pichelli

I ... I am okay with this.

Sarah Pichelli ... I am not a huge fan of Pichelli. Oh she is good, not saying she isn't, but not an artist that would have been in my top 10 or so, but I am happy with her (I will have to wait and see the designs I suppose)

Dan Slott  ... I am also okay with this. Again, would not have been my first choice, but I know his passion will be there (Not trying to sound like a Marvel Exec) and as long as he is not on for say ... 12 years, his stories should be well enough for me to enjoy.

Am I "blown away" by this creative? No. But I am still pretty darn happy. Especially that they say Marvel Two-In-One will also continue!!!!
 :)
Yeah, over all, good news.


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Jimmy T on March 29, 2018, 07:39:26 PM
Perry, I'm going to turn things back around on ya.

Slott's FF will be for, in most likelihood, what the FF movies are to you.

Just not good enough, I think.

I hate to poo-pah it; because its great to bring them back, and with creating a want in the community to do so!!!

But Slott is on Iron Man and FF. True, he's been double writing issues -solo- for like 6 years, but I ...just don't...believe in Slott. Not anymore. Man! I LOVED his She-hulk!! back like, what, 15 years ago? LOL



Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on March 29, 2018, 08:23:49 PM
Im was not very excited about Slott either but then I thought of Superior Spider-Man.  Now Im cautiously optimistic!


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Wringer on March 30, 2018, 10:56:51 AM
i keep going back to his great run on Thing and the the excellent Spidey/Torch mini and think he will do a good retro feeling run, similar to his SilverSurfer 


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Perry on March 30, 2018, 12:53:02 PM
I see Slott as the writer that CAN be the writer I want him to be.

I do know what you mean though, Jimmy, especially with Pete Slott just had me scratching my head every other arc it seemed. But I also remember really digging his Spider-Man early on. It wasn't until year (I don't know ... later) that I found myself off and on and off and on and off again with his Amazing Spider-Man.

That is not to say that he can't kill me with one swoop either. I never got or understand the love for his She-Hulk run back in the day (Maybe I would now?) but I downright loved ... LOVED his Superior Spider-Man run and that is what I am hoping for here.

I hope C.B is not lying when he said the Slott's pitch for the F.F was "fantastic", but bottom line is I have to try it, I have to, it's my baby, so I may as well go in being hopeful. But not too excited.
 ;D

And hey, how about this, now that Conan is back at Marvel, maybe he will take Ben's spot for a couple months.
 :D :D :D

Man, Marvel use to really push some crazy stuff back in the day.
 :D


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on May 24, 2018, 08:20:16 AM
(https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/FF2018001_PichelliVar_NoKids-600x880.jpg)

FANTASTIC FOUR #1
DAN SLOTT (W) SARA PICHELLI (A)
Cover by ESAD RIBIC
FOUREVER Part One
BECAUSE YOU DEMANDED IT THE WORLDS GREATEST COMIC MAGAZINE IS BACK!
Since the end of SECRET WARS, theres been a gap in the Marvel Universe. A void no other team can fill. And its time for the world to move on. But can it? A life-changing decision by the Thing! A momentous declaration by the Human Torch! A clarion call-to-arms that summons Doctor Doom! And a signal in the sky that heralds the return of hope to the Marvel Universe! All this, and Alicia Masters adopts kittens! So cute! Plus, the Impossible Man!
AND BONUS STORIES ILLUSTRATED BY SIMONE BIANCHI AND SKOTTIE YOUNG!
IF YOU READ ONLY ONE MARVEL COMIC THIS MONTH, THIS IS THE ONE!
56 PGS./Rated T $5.99


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on May 24, 2018, 08:36:24 AM
(https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/FF2018001_RossVar-600x912.jpg)


Alex Ross Variant cover.

Both "Alex" and "Ross" have 4 letters each.  Conspiracy?

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/05/22/marvels-fantastic-four-relaunch-numbers/ (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/05/22/marvels-fantastic-four-relaunch-numbers/)


Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Perry on May 24, 2018, 02:48:46 PM
They have some really nice covers for this relaunch. That said, it is sad that sales will be contourted because of that crap. 2 covers. TWO. That is all you need. not 20. Get sales to show as sales again.

Either way, I am happy my family is coming back home again.  ;D

(and there are two characters that Ross draws, in all of Marvel, that my eyes just don't enjoy.
1 - The Thing
2 - Iron Man
I don't know why, but I have never liked Ross' version of either.

HERE (http://kultstudio.com/__data/a449cd26df1b6658cdca5e8117101d3e.jpg) and HERE (https://www.alexrossart.com/assets/images/Shadows-Iron-Man-(1).jpg) are just two of the Iron Man images. I mean ... no, no no, although THIS ONE (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/3/30/Tony_Stark_Iron_Man_Vol_1_1_Ross_Variant_Textless.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180321004553) isn't as bad to me

The FF cover above and THIS ONE (https://www.dynamicforces.com/images/TNAvengersInv1Sketch_Ross_Thing.jpg) for poor ole' Benjy. True he looks more like a "thing" under Ross, but ... Me just no likey.




Title: Re: FANTASTIC FOUR
Post by: Jeff on May 25, 2018, 08:22:36 AM
Yeah I'm not a fan of his Thing either.  Too cartoonish looking and Alex Ross is supposed to be the go to guy for realism looks.  The Iron Man ones you showed don't bother me but man, that Thing is not fun to look at.