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Title: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jeff on November 17, 2013, 10:31:22 AM
Wow.  Scott Snyder has some competition.  Jeff Lemire's Green Arrow is every bit as good - maybe better - than Snyder's Batman.

(https://multiversitystatic.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2013/07/Green-Arrow-22-Vertigo.jpg)

I picked up the back issues where Lemire started - Issue 17 to current and although you can enjoy this from any issue; I reccomend picking it up from the beginning.  This is a great journey as Oliver Queen tries to find out the truth about his father.  Great story and filled with plenty of surprises.

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Komodo - the first arc which kicks off all the mystery and sets the stage for the journey Ollie is about to take.  This introduces a lot of the major players.  Everything that can go wrong for Green Arrow does right off the bat and the story that unfolds follows a seemingly un-winnable  fight for GA to find out the truth while being hunted by the police and the villains.

(http://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/120/1418419.jpg)(http://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/120/1463162.jpg)

A 2-part story introducing the New 52 Count Vertigo and Shado - a key part of his fathers secrets.

(http://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/120/1500962.jpg)

The Villains Month Count Vertigo comic that brought my attention to this series.  I'm really glad I read this as I have a new comic I'm excited about.

(http://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/120/1541339.jpg)(http://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/120/1608434.jpg)

I haven't read 24 & 25 yet but will probably do that today after football.  I just couldn't wait to go ahead and post about this comic.

DC is doing so little thats right these days but THIS comic is one that is hitting it out of the partk.

BUY THIS BOOK!!


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Perry on November 17, 2013, 10:49:28 AM
Lemire is a great writer (easily in the top 5 at DC) and while we may differ slightly on him being better than Snyder  ;), he is not the reason I am not buying that book. He is certainly worthy of my dollars as a writer, but I am still too stuck on my older Ollie and just have no interest, as of now, reading about this new, 20 something Ollie. Especially a young Ollie that, plot wise, ties into the dreadful ARROW tv show (sorry Jimmy, I know you are a huge fan).

Honestly, I may have actually even tried this new seires with the younger Ollie once Lemire came on, had it not been for that tv show. Yes, I hate that show that much.
 :-\

Very happy that you have found another top notch title however, Jeff. Love it when people are able to find a comic they truly enjoy!
 8)

I also can vouch for Jeff's giddiness and joy about this book. Never read it, but I am sure it is good knowing Lemire is writing it and Jeff is telling all to read it. I trust them both. As Jeff said ...

BUY THIS BOOK!!!  

(Edit - Calling my boy Dave now to see if he has any issues  :D :D :D DAMN IT)


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jeff on November 17, 2013, 11:26:29 AM
I just pretend he shaved.

 ;D


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jimmy T on November 17, 2013, 02:02:59 PM
.... ties into the dreadful ARROW tv show (sorry Jimmy, I know you are a huge fan).

 


Eh, what do you know? HA! :D

As far as the comparison of pre/New 52, I feel that the character that really could use an utter reboot was GA. Seriously, the 'stick it to the man' champion of the O'Neil/Adams era is looong gone, and all we've had since then is bad imitations of that sentiment (same as anyone who wrote DD after Miller).

Now, at least Ollie has always been shown to have a personality-that personality may have changed between writers, but that personality was always (to me) the reason why this guy would be on the Justice League (which still is something that I wonder about Hawkeye and the Avengers).

But, New Olliver Queen is a project that deserved a revamp and a better emphasis of who he is.

Unfortunately, they dropped the ball since issue #1, and it's only been with issue 17 that DC finally has something that can hitch their cart too.

I'll read this Green Arrow. Oh yes, yes I will.

Glad you caught up Jeff!!


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Perry on November 21, 2013, 12:08:21 PM
But, New Olliver Queen is a project that deserved a revamp and a better emphasis of who he is.

Not sure why that would be the case, but I got a couple issues, gonna check it out at least.  :)


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Perry on November 24, 2013, 08:55:49 AM
I enjoy the art style. I will say that.


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jeff on November 24, 2013, 09:23:25 AM
I enjoy the art style. I will say that.

I thought you would.  I really liked the picture I posted at the beginning of this thread.  It's a two-page spread in the comic.


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Perry on November 24, 2013, 09:29:33 AM
Yeah, I like the use of "showcase boxes" in the panels.
(EDIT - They are not in that pic you posted, however)  :D


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Perry on November 29, 2013, 08:22:15 AM
Just finished reading 17-24.

While Jeff and Jimmy are absolutely correct in their praise for this title (it is well written and the art is top notch), I still find it hard to enjoy this younger Ollie. Add in the obvious tie-in to a show that I couldn't get past the first episode and it suffers more. For example, I felt nothing when the one character at the end of #24 is revealed, as I am assuming he is a character from the show, and thus there was no impact for me upon his reveal/arrival.

Now, again, don't get me wrong, this is a top notch comic. One that I enjoyed overall and one very worthy of the praise that both gentlemen mentioned above give, but once more, my own mental problems prevent me from wanting to add this title to my pull. That said, I would like to continue reading it, so hopefully my boy Dave obliges in that regard.
 ;D

Bottom line, even with my two personal issues (Ollie's age and the CW), this is easily an 8 outta 10 "Spidey can't have a totem story but GA can?" book that EVERYONE should read.
 8)
 ;D   


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jeff on January 26, 2015, 07:59:52 AM
Has anyone read the issues post-Lemire?  Watching Arrow has reignited my interest in this book but I don't want to add it if I"m going to be disappointed.   ;D


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Perry on January 26, 2015, 09:20:01 AM
Sure, its great, its .... okay, I have no damn idea.  ;D


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jimmy T on January 26, 2015, 12:06:01 PM
Most of Lemire's most important elements are shuffled off in the first issue. They are spoken of in narration, but are quickly excused for the new writers to begin.

And the new writers, the show's front runners in writing and producing, well, the book becomes a little more 'Arrow' and a little more pre-New 52.

I tried not to do a knee-jerk reaction at the completely different outing-because it is! Yet, that's what happens with new teams. Kieron Gillem was not Matt Fraction on Iron Man. Rick Remender was not Brubaker on Cap. Yet, some are good, some are poor, but all must pull their own directions.

So, I'm taking stock of the new direction, and watching...and waiting. I don't immediately love it; I appreciate it, as I don't mind this Oliver Queen either. But there is just a bit of something....else that I want. What that may be? I cannot truly say. I can just say that the book doesn't have it quite...yet.


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jeff on January 26, 2015, 12:42:11 PM
Thanks Jimmy!  I think I'll wait to see how you ultimately land before picking it up.


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jimmy T on March 09, 2015, 09:57:39 AM
And so it ends.

A new business mogol/figure is set up as Oliver's nemesis. Oliver is taken to a low point, but is risen by the end due to the aid of friends, compatriots, and new allies.

The TV writers' run will end as a 6 issue stint that brings in the character of Felicity Smoak, the new52 Mia (sick of saying that now, I come to realize. "The New52 version of..." BLECH!!! >:(  )

As it ends....it was a fine little tale. A decent read for a fill-in, but nothing earth-shattering, or that amazing either. Think of Brad Meltzer's 'Archer's Quest' and THAT is an amazing 6 issue 'fill-in.' Wow is what I said to that.

With a new team (that I'm excited for with author Ben Percy with art by Richard Zircher. Looking up Ben Percy, he writes 'mythic tales'. From an excerpt: "Percy says, "I think I'm writing about it with a mythic voice. My stories are about bigfoot and bearded ladies, horse ranches, marijuana colonies and elk-hunting resorts. And I'm writing about all these things with a salty, mystical voice (that) I hope partners the material and the landscape." (not a quote on his future Green Arrow, just his writing). I think I'm also very excited for Patrick Zircher, who I have enjoyed for a long time on art!

So, this is done. I'll resell it. No big deal. Not disappointed I bought it, but nothing I will really say any more on.


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Perry on June 02, 2015, 05:09:21 AM
Okay, so this new team starts at 41? And they are NOT tying into the show at all?

If that is the case, I may ask my boy to start hooking me up again with this title. I had no interest in the show heavy GA, but if it is just going to be a regular GA comic with no tv connection I can most certainly come on for Zircher alone.


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jimmy T on June 02, 2015, 06:46:03 AM
Well, I can't say what, if any, tv show influence it will have. I don't know what direction the new writer will take. I think the solicits mentioned something about tracking something supernatural in Seattle, so we'll see if I remember right, or if this is the truth.

If Dig and Felicity are still supporting cast members....? Maybe. But the tv writers are gone.


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Perry on June 02, 2015, 07:56:54 AM
Hmmm Seatlle. I like that. North-Western mountains, forests, lakes and weather. That could be worth it alone as there can be a lot of story ideas there. (And that is where I want to move to in another few years. Football at 10 AM!!!!  :D)

That said, I have no interest in reading about Felicity or anyone else from the show so ... I don't know. Maybe I will just wait an issue or two to see ... or hear...  :)


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jimmy T on June 03, 2015, 08:18:55 PM
I think it's a GREAT first issue. Back to a 'feel' that I dig from Green Arrow-something akin to Lemire made this nu-Ollie more level, this guy is a bit more street wise, down to earth, and very much NOT a 'super-hero' comicbook character.

Really dug the initial intention and foray.


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jimmy T on July 04, 2015, 07:07:54 AM
Second issue out, and I'm still into it. I think its a great feel to have this half-sister around for the title, too.


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Perry on July 04, 2015, 05:11:40 PM
Have not read 41 or 42 yet, but this "half-sister" isn't anything like Kate is to Clint is she?


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jimmy T on July 05, 2015, 08:30:58 PM
Have not read 41 or 42 yet, but this "half-sister" isn't anything like Kate is to Clint is she?

Uhhhhhh...she's got sass to her, yeah, but she's not a sidekick out and about on the town. She wants to be, but Ollie keeps her in school.


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jeff on July 05, 2015, 09:01:33 PM
Have not read 41 or 42 yet, but this "half-sister" isn't anything like Kate is to Clint is she?

Uhhhhhh...she's got sass to her, yeah, but she's not a sidekick out and about on the town. She wants to be, but Ollie keeps her in school.

Is she like the sister on Arrow?


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jimmy T on July 06, 2015, 03:12:14 PM
Eh, not quite like Thea. This half sister is the daughter of Shado, as well, so she's already an ass-kickin' warrior of the bow before Ollie met her.  8)


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jeff on July 06, 2015, 04:45:59 PM
Eh, not quite like Thea. This half sister is the daughter of Shado, as well, so she's already an ass-kickin' warrior of the bow before Ollie met her.  8)

Oh that's right! I forgot all about her. Yeah she is awesome.


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jimmy T on September 10, 2015, 07:13:27 AM
Green Arrow 43


Really, REALLY enjoying the mystical flair and fantasy storytelling of Benjamin Percy. For an unexplainable reason, I love these fantasy elements being brought into Green Arrow. For me, in the appreciation of the character and genre, it just works. From what Lemire did with his 7 tribes of Weapons, to the magic that is coming from Percy, I'm so totally onboard.

This last issue was about a wolf! Only! And I loved it! So cool!! A great read.

I know I can really badmouth New 52 DC You or whatever they're trying to call it, but this stuff....some great work for the Emerald Archer!!!


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jimmy T on January 24, 2016, 04:09:18 PM
Great reading this still, all the way up to issue 48. A little cranky that I didn't pick up the $6 annual, as that feeds into a new status quo in the title, but I love Percy's voice with this Green Arrow and movement.


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Perry on May 26, 2016, 05:44:44 AM
Hey Jimmy !!!!! I'm thinking about giving your boy Percy a try when GA ... rebirths itself  :D, but first I have to ask; is he writing this book in-line or with any connection to the TV show Arrow, or is this a totally different beast than that? I only ask as I remember both the GA comic being tied to the show directly for a few issues before and I seem to remember speculation that DC wants the comics to tie more with the shows (though maybe that was rumor only)

What say yee? Should I give it a try because it is not in anyway related or tied to the CW show or is there a large or even just a small amount of the show inside and, as such, I should run away as fast as I can?

Thanks, man!!!  8)


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Jimmy T on May 26, 2016, 05:57:22 PM
Nope; I thought I said that right away. The TV show has no influence on Percy's work. I think in the first issue Ollie has a conversation with Diggle, but that was it. Felicity was shipped elsewhere pretty fast. This Ollie just reads like younger years of "our" Ollie, to be honest. ;)


Title: Re: GREEN ARROW
Post by: Perry on May 26, 2016, 06:00:23 PM
Sweet. I may try it. I just wish he was just a tad older. Just a tad  ;D