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Title: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on October 27, 2013, 10:05:34 AM
I really enjoy my time with this show. Is it Angel or Firefly good? No, not quite. But it's on par with Seasons 9 & 10 of Smallville (big time heroics, ramifications, and consequences, with cool names and costumes occurring all over).

No, I think the show is really meshing with it's self-built aura of what GA should and will be on TV-even more so, since it's more successful than the GA comic-and the fact that Diggle has been brought into the comic as well!

This GA I can get behind, and at least Lemire (in the comics) is developing the New52 GA into a good character-only a year and half too late from the reboot.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on October 28, 2013, 05:02:47 AM
Glad you are enjoying it.  8)

Was going to jump on the GA book with Lemire until I heard that they were following the shows GA in plot (though perhaps not a "tie-in"). As I just cringe every time I think about the show (I think I made it through 10 minutes), reading a comic based on it, or set in the setting, or anything just made me run away.

I hear the comic is very good however, and hey, the dialog has to be better than the show   ;)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on November 23, 2013, 02:39:38 PM
Still digging this show; enjoy the movement forward; can't wait to see just how they'll handle having Barry Allen on the show, and YES!~ he's getting a mask!

This is the overjoyed 12 year old in me; sorry.

Carry on. ;D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on November 23, 2013, 04:22:55 PM
This season has been much better than the first. The first season felt like a soap-opera, with a few action-scenes thrown in. This season has had much focus on the action and Arrow/Canary's history, which I like.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: sinisteri on November 25, 2013, 09:04:03 PM
Wonderful show!

Love how well it brings in a diverse number of DC characters. I wish new 52 could be this good!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on November 25, 2013, 09:16:20 PM
To make Perry feel better, I will say that the Count Vertigo actor is terrible! :D

Flash on the show in just one more week! Well, Barry Allen that is.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on November 26, 2013, 03:10:09 AM
To make Perry feel better, I will say that the Count Vertigo actor is terrible! :D

 ;D Naw, man, I don't want you guys that enjoy the show to be burdened by such things.

I hope the Barry Allen actor knocks it out of the park

Gonna be interesting to see, if he does do well, if he will be the next Flash on the big screen and bring your tv to big screen tie-in together.
 :)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on November 30, 2013, 12:04:33 PM
This season isn't just better, I'm calling it: Best show on T.V. right now! So glad it isn't the CW soap-opera it was last season.

The last few episodes in particular, were just so awesome. Diggler breaking into the prison to save his wife, and running across Deadshot. That episode was so action packed and fast-paced, it's what T.V. nowadays needs more of, and less talking heads. And it totally set-up for a future Deadshot vs. Arrow episode.

And how many comic book references does this show drop? It's hard to tell if we're gonna see future development with these characters or if they're just name drops to get fanboys excited. But I've seen quite a few.

-Kate Spencer (Manhunter) is Oliver's mom's lawyer. (Played by the hot doctor from Stargate SG-1, but a blonde this time instead of a red-head.)
-Amanda Waller (leader of Task Force X and the Suicide Squad) is Diggs' wife's boss
-Ivo Storm (creator of Amazo) is the baddie on the flashback island sequences.
-S.T.A.R. Labs is mentioned in news reports in the background.
-And Barry Allen is in the previews for the next episode!

Plus we already have the obvious connections of Black Canary to Sarah and Speedy/Arsenal to Roy Harper.

And OMG, that big reveal at the end of the last episode. I so didn't see that coming. I guess I should have with the nature of comics, but I didn't.
Does that mean his son could still be alive, too?

Anyone not watching Arrow this season, is missing out. And this is coming from a guy that gave up halfway through the first season due to it's soap-operish nature (which it no longer has).


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on November 30, 2013, 03:34:33 PM
Glad folks are enjoying, but as long as Guggenhiem is invloved and it is on the CW, I just can't see it being a show I could possibly enjoy.

I may switch over next time it is on to see, but ..  :-\

(But noway it is the best show on TV  :P  ;))


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on December 21, 2013, 11:23:30 AM
Okay Nate and Jimmy (and whomever else watches this show),

I keep hearing how season 2 is much better than season 1, so I am thinking about giving this show another go around. But I hate starting so deep into a tv show, so is there a point in season one where the writing gets better? I mean, I really WANT to like this show (Help support comic shows!!!) but the writing in episode one (which I barely made it through) was abysmal to me (again, opinions being what they are) and episode two was just the same. BUt ... say after episode 5 or 6 or even 15 even, if the show finds its legs more, I may give it another shot (Just signed up for Netflix again, and they have season 1 on there).

I do see that Marc Guggenheim is a head creator, so I may just be sworn off this show forever as I am not a huge fan of his comic work or his small screen stuff, but damn I want to join in the fun.

Am I just a lost cause when it comes to this show or is there a point were it gets less ... well ... where it gets more Perry friendly?
 :)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on December 21, 2013, 11:49:16 AM
I can't really say for sure. But I'd imagine if you're like me at all when it came to the show, that you'd like Season 2 a lot better. I actually stopped watching it about halfway through season 1, because I couldn't stomach the CW teeny-bopper drama of it. But to tell the truth, there still is a little of that in Season 2, just lot less of it. It focuses more on the action and his missions in the hood, rather than so much of it being about him and his family's interaction.

I'd just start with episode 1 of season 2, if I were you. It does refer to what happened in the season finale of season 1, but you'll get the gist of it. I did, and I missed the season finale.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on December 21, 2013, 01:08:20 PM
Thanks my man. My indeed try that.

(Still will give Flash a go when it hits as well)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on December 21, 2013, 04:40:32 PM
I think season 1 started picking up more after episode 14 'The Odyssey'-Diggle is doing his own investigation, Felicity is fully on Team Arrow, and the stuff with the Dark Archer is going on, and Laurel starts to do more stuff with Tommy. I wonder if the show's producers can see that she and Oliver have no on screen chemistry? I truly hope they don't ever get together.

And the show gets waaay better, but yeah, not as good as Buffy or Angel of Firefly, but not as bad as Smallville in the first 4 seasons.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on December 21, 2013, 04:45:45 PM
It kind of feels more like a Batman show, than a Green Arrow show, really (it Batman had a team working with him). He's a disturbed soul seeking some kind of vengeance he never gets. The show is very dark, but also more realistic than your average comic book setting. And he has the whole millionaire alter-ego thing going on.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on February 11, 2014, 09:43:19 PM
I still really enjoy this show. And I think it's a pretty good show too.

Love the big cast, I like the moments that are occurring, and heck, Laurel even shows a little bit of range now with the...latest revelation before the break.

I like that I don't know exactly where Ollie's heart, or sometimes, even where his head is at. There's so much I do want to see more of (Ollie in the public eye, Ollie at Queen, Consolidated, Ollie connecting further with his family-)

-Actually, not sure that 'Ollie with his family' is ever going to be as strong a thing as it was in season 1. I really loved the isolation of his pain at being gone for 5 years, and I feel ...to a degree, honestly...that the 5 years gone should almost always be thing for him with his family and in the public (considering how different he is now).


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on February 26, 2014, 07:54:55 PM
This return episode was AWESOOOMMMMMEEE!!
 
Probably the best acting Laurel has done in the series; LOVE the huge cast! So many moments and people colliding together! And so much to look forward to!

EXCITED!!


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on February 26, 2014, 08:05:09 PM
Probably the best acting Laurel has done in the series

I am sure.  :P

 ;)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on March 05, 2014, 06:24:33 AM
When is this season over so I can try it? I hear it is a lot better than season 1 (not hard to accomplish  ;D ...  ;)) so I would like to give it a go when it hits the Netflix.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on March 05, 2014, 08:40:45 AM
When is this season over so I can try it? I hear it is a lot better than season 1 (not hard to accomplish  ;D ...  ;)) so I would like to give it a go when it hits the Netflix.

I'd suggest starting with Season 1's Finale, then going into Season 2. The first few episodes of Season 2 tie into some big things that went down in the Season 1 Finale. (And it was a helluva episode, anyways.)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on March 05, 2014, 08:50:39 AM
Okay, cool. Thanks  :)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on March 07, 2014, 06:58:35 AM
Okay, so still trying to find a way to watch this show (yes, I am relentless) and I found the episodes that Guggenheim actually wrote. Though I am aware as "show runner" he has his hands in all of them, he was responsible for the teleplay on the first three episodes as well as six and about five others and was lead writer of about four episodes.

Soooo, if I can get past the first three ...  :D

Lord, I am just not a fan of that Guggenheim. I mean this guy brought us that damn Green Lantern movie and that watered down, utter crap of a show NO ORDINARY FAMILY. His Blade comic was about the worst title I read in the last 20 years, only being beaten out by the more abysmal FOOLKILLER by Greg Hurwitz (Who later redeemed himself with his Moon Knight run).

This is just hard for me, guys  ;D


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on March 08, 2014, 08:01:46 AM
I mean, it is certainly no Firefly or Buffy or Angel. It doesn't truly live in the seriousness of it's moments like a Supernatural or Burn Notice (just looking over at my shelf  :D ), and yes, it's certainly WB.

But it allows me to enjoy the universe of an even more fictionalized Green Arrow, and it has some really cool moments, some really great moments, and it spins within it's own universe really well.

I COMPLETELY understand why you don't like it Perry; but, it happens to be the CW's best rated show. It's successful, it's for sure going to be back for a season 3, it may have gotten a Flash show up and running (nyuk nyuk), but man, if it's painful, then just stop.  :P :-*


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on March 08, 2014, 08:09:13 AM
but man, if it's painful, then just stop.  :P :-*

I CAAAAAN'T.
 ;D

I must support comic shows.
 ;)

Actually made it through the first two episodes. All the way through!! No fast forwarding or anything!!! The fight scenes are very well done. The dialog .. I just turn my ears off sometimes as it just seems to be Pretty people being pretty.  ;D I do like the guy playing the cop. Daddy Lance. I liked him on the RIVER and he reminds me of Johnny Lee Miller (Elementary) due to having the same hair-line.
 ;D

Hopefully I will be able to get through the last Gug episode (#3) today or Monday.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on March 08, 2014, 10:38:05 AM
I know the feeling. Everyone raves on and on about Breaking Bad. I tried. I watched a bit into the marathon they had a month or two back on AMC. I just don't get it.

But if you don't like it, stop watching it. No reason to force yourself. There is other shows, movies, and comics to read to fill that time.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on March 08, 2014, 10:55:38 AM
I just don't get it.

Now THAT is just crazy talk  :)

And besides, you said yourself you stopped watching the show and yet say its great. My attempts are to find out why


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on March 08, 2014, 01:31:05 PM
I just don't get it.

Now THAT is just crazy talk  :)

And besides, you said yourself you stopped watching the show and yet say its great. My attempts are to find out why

I stopped mid-season 1, which was more drama-focused. But season 2 I've been following every episode.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on March 08, 2014, 01:36:28 PM
I just don't get it.

Now THAT is just crazy talk  :)

And besides, you said yourself you stopped watching the show and yet say its great. My attempts are to find out why

I stopped mid-season 1, which was more drama-focused. But season 2 I've been following every episode.

I know. My struggle to "want to like" this show is no more crazy than you stopping season one because you didn't like it and then trying again in season 2 and finding it very enjoyable.
 :)


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on March 13, 2014, 08:39:36 PM
Ep 1 - A decent start, though Thea is starting to grate on me. Like the more heroic (don't take a life) aspect or drive for Ollie. And Felicity has some great moments. The Island, just not digging it, but something is a little better there.

Ep 2 - Liking Roy more and liking Thea less, that trend continues. Still looking up however as the show seems to know a little bit more about what it wants to do and can at least see the lanes on the road to get there. Nowhere near as scattered in feeling as previous, and that includes the island parts. The mess it was the first season seems to be streamlined and now has a purpose. Like all the writers are talking to each other now. Guggenheim's control has lessened.
 ;D

Ep 3 - Very cool episode. I really like Lance away from the detective's badge and back in blue and on the streets.

Plus, tons of comic related stuff. From "52" showing up everywhere, to "Tony Daniels", to Ras al Ghul, to Dollmaker, plus more. Liking the blonde chick whom I guess will end up being the missing sister and Black Canary, but not too sure yet.

Show still has its problems, like a bad guy using gravity to make his "doll making formula" flow into the throats of victims, when a hard blow would force it back up the tube. Or hell, just put your tongue over the damn tube and BAM, no fluid in the mouth. I mean, they couldn't add a contraption to make that look more than just a huge I.V?

I just hate shows that have inept cops (like having 3 cops concentrate their attention on busting Lance for interfering and putting handcuffs on him while a known killer is just inside the building they arrived at. It's like "There he is, go get him! Oh, wait, lets cuff this cop first"  ::)), but ... eh ... part of the "disbelief" you have to allow for such things I suppose.

Still, an overall improvement so I am hopeful.
 


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on March 13, 2014, 09:36:23 PM
Ep 4 - Okay, first off, yes, I (and I am sure 100% of the people here) got that it was the sister under the mask. However I am soooo damn slow that I missed the major point of proof that shows us she is the Black Canary. Her damn "sonic bombs". HA. Holy hell I didn't put 2 and 2 together last episode and see that was the replacement for Canary's Sonic Scream. I was just shocked when I realized it this episode.
 ;D

Also totally missed this "Blood" guy would be called "Brother".  ;D

Two things I should have just grabbed hold of totally slipped by me.  :D

Anyway, another decent episode, leaving curious as to what will happen next. I have only felt that once during all this, so that is a good thing. Kinda getting worried the island scenes will be going all apeshit again, but I am remaining hopeful they stay on the upward swing they have had the past 3 episodes and this episode was just a little skid mark on the panties that is the island scenes.

Still can't stand the stupid cop routine (three guys come blazing down the street on the back of a pick-up, firing machine guns and the cops do nothing. Allow this leader to make his "This is my town" speech and then start shooting again and only then do the cops act?
 ::)

Can we please just write better cops? You can accomplish everything you want and make the bad guys imposing without making the good guys look ridiculous. I mean, to borrow an SNL News sketch ... "I mean REALLY"

Still, standard cop bitch aside, another de ... no ... a fun episode. Yeah, the first fun episode for me.  :)
  


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on March 13, 2014, 10:06:55 PM
Ep 5 - OH COME ON!!! A picture of the boat? The Queen family kept a picture of the boat that their husband/father and son/brother died in, on a table in the foyer/greeting area of their house? A pretty picture of the boat that ruined this family there, sitting for all to see on a table by the front door? Not a picture of the dad or Ollie ON the boat, that, even though stupid, would be something, but noooo, just a picture of the damn boat?

All so Sara can have a flashback? Absolutely stupid ass writing. Just have her see a picture of an ocean or a pitcher of water or ... ANYTHING other than the damn boat that family members died on!

Okay, I'm done for the night. Have to walk away now and try to let the memory of this crap fall to the wayside before I see more cops doing something moronic or something else. Just stupid.

Pathetic writing. Lazy, craptastic writing.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Jimmy T on April 28, 2014, 07:20:39 PM
Ok , I REALLY dug that last episode!!! Truly, a show that I can get behind. Probably the finest acting they've done in the

Miller's crossing choose your own death scene!

My predictions for season's end:

There's gonna be a Queen as mayor, and it'll be Oliver.


Title: Re: Arrow Season 2
Post by: Perry on May 09, 2014, 05:39:35 AM
Well, with the word coming in that FLASH has been picked up for a season, I decided, once more, to try and finish this sister show.

After 10 minutes I just had to surrender to the fact that I just can't do it.

I am not a happy camper as I tried so hard to enjoy this show (or even just get through it) on many occasions, as I really want to support/watch a "comic" based program, but I just can't. I am not able to separate what I need to separate and my brain just keeps screaming at me with ever minute I put it through this.

I know it is a favorite of yours, Jimmy, and I am not tryint to imply you're wrong in finding enjoyment in this (I am truly jealous I can't experience it the way you do) but no-one can say I didn't try.

I will be giving the FLASH a shot, but I can honestly say, as soon as I see the kind of writing/directing/acting that this show has, I will be off that one immediately. Not going to try and go through what I did with this show ... again.
 :)

But ... with that all said ... keep me updated, man! What happened?
 :)