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Title: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on October 02, 2012, 06:00:32 PM
Just a friendly reminder to check out the latest prime-time comic book show.

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Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Perry on October 02, 2012, 06:42:12 PM
I hope it has a run like SMALLVILLE for you guys that enjoy it.  8)


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Jeff on October 03, 2012, 07:08:24 AM
Can't wait!


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on October 12, 2012, 02:24:25 PM
Pretty good, I thought. I'll be following this one.


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Perry on October 19, 2012, 06:53:08 PM
I was really bored today, so I stopped by HULU to check this show out.

Pretty good start that rapidly fell to some pretty bad dialog. I just could not get through it. Just too ... "CW network" for me.

I hear it did fairly well, so I hope it lasts a good long time for you guys that do like it however.
 :)


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Jeff on October 19, 2012, 08:15:45 PM
Had to delete it from the DVR without ever watching it.   :(

Wife has no interest in watching it and without us watching it together just don't have room to add something new.  If it does well might download to the iPhone and watch it on the go.


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on October 27, 2012, 11:52:18 AM
I just don't know what to think about this show. It seems to have a good deal of focus on soap-opera like drama between past lovers and family members and such. But it seems as soon as I decide I've had enough of that crap, the action kicks in and it's pretty damn good for a network T.V. show. And the pilot episode was pretty good all the way through.

Don't know how much longer I'm gonna hold on, but for now I'm still giving it a chance. I just hope there's a bigger focus on action or a big storyline in the works.


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Tokyo Vigilante #1 on October 30, 2012, 11:42:11 AM
It was okay.  Has potential and I can see getting into it later on.

If the dialog gets better and they get past the character intros it might become really good.


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Perry on March 08, 2014, 07:42:54 PM
I just don't know what to think about this show. It seems to have a good deal of focus on soap-opera like drama between past lovers and family members and such. But it seems as soon as I decide I've had enough of that crap, the action kicks in and it's pretty damn good for a network T.V. show. And the pilot episode was pretty good all the way through.

Don't know how much longer I'm gonna hold on, but for now I'm still giving it a chance. I just hope there's a bigger focus on action or a big storyline in the works.

Sure sounds like someone was just as torn as I was  :P

 ;D

Okay, got through a full 7 episodes now. On a roll!!! *But yes, Nate, very soap-opera'y  :)

The first three were just dialog hell, but the action was well done.

Ep 4 - John Barrowman? Oh hell, why didn't you tell me he was in this?  ;D Love that guy.
This episode was better overall, but still had a few eyeroll moments, but just have to get use to those if I am going to continue. Really falling for Katie Cassidy (Dinah Laural Lance). Reminds me of a younger Natalie Zea. Yum

Ep 5 - Loved the Deathstroke appearance, though not a fan of the two tone mask when he still has both eyes? Some really cool easter eggs in this one. Like GA's first appearance being the number on his mug shot and his prison "costume" having the Hex number of Green.
 ;D

Ep 6 - Royal Flush gang? Oh yeah, sweet! And that "Larchmont Highschool ring" looked very much like a Legion flight ring did it not?  ;D Liked how Ollie discovered the list from the heat of the fire.

Ep 7 - Was stoked about the appearance of Huntress ... until the acting started. Ugh, that was rough. And could we have her father, a true Italian mobster look anymore Nordic? This guy was as far from looking Italian as you can get. Still a decent episode.

Onto episode 8 (I can see where Tommy "Merlyn" will soon become an issue)

EDIT - And I forgot to mention how much that Queen Industries "Q" looks like Quizno's?  :D



Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Perry on March 09, 2014, 10:12:41 AM
Okay first off, it is Queen Consolidated that has the "Q" that looks like Quizno's
 ;D

Ep 8 - Ugh, more non-acting from the actress playing Helena. Was happy to see her ride off on that damn bike. Not a fan of her at all. And now step-pappa knows about another list? Uh-Oh.

Ep 9 - Merlyn! Finally. And I totally missed on who it would be. Not Tommy. I'm an idiot. Loved the explosive arrow/ explosive trapped room scene. More Deathstroke and they take Step-daddy? Yowza.

Ep 10 - FIREFLY!!! I liked this episode. However ... Ollies club burns? A brand new club that didn't have to have fire suppression? I mean, no sprinklers at all or anything?
 :D

Ep11 - The dude from FARSCAPE!! And BLACKHAWK!!! Yea to both!!! One thing I will say about this show, they do a great F'n job of throwing aspects of their damn universe into the show, Something that SHIELD needs to take note of (though they have been getting better). Still, some of these scenes are just brutal to listen to. Just so damn bad.
 ;D
What really kills me is the motivation, the essence of these characters keeps changing. Guggenheim is the show runner, and like an editor he is suppose to keep this from happening, but ... yeah, he sucks. It is like ... if this were a comic series every issue (episode) would have a different writer that wants to take some characters into a different direction. The characters are just all over the damn place. No consistency at all.

Ep 12 - Acting here was less than steller, mainly from "Speedy", but love what they did with Count Vertigo. How he got his name was especially cool. Lots more soap opera turns, coming across as lack of cohesion more than twists, but still kinda fun.

The wife asked me "what the hell are you watching" and I could only shake my head. :D

Also, really getting tired of Ollie being shown behind people after he shoots guns out of their hands. I mean, I can see the gun jerk to the left (or right) and fly from the hands, yet he is directly behind them when this happens? A "turn" arrow? Stop that. And oh yeah, why no two or three arrows at a time yet? Come on archer, Hawkeye can do it.
 :)

And the island has just gotten out of hand now. The China guy has turned and then turned, but they were after him yet he is part of their crew yet he saves Ollie and .... AARRGGHHH. Again, just too much. Much like my comments here ... this needs editor.
 :D

Ep 13 - So Diggle finds out about momma and we see the real Slade Wilson (hahaha, just wrote Sam Wilson at first. The Falcon from Marvel is on the island now? Holy hell!  ;D). Another Island situation that is getting to large for the show. Just a mess. That said, I liked this episode.
 :D

Onto episode 14

EDIT - Also forgot to express how much I am absolutely loving Felicity! She is the best thing about this show hands down. Great acting and great dialog for her so far.


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on March 09, 2014, 11:18:22 AM
Yeah, Felicity is a sweetheart. What nerd wouldn't like her?


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Perry on March 09, 2014, 01:04:46 PM
Yeah, Felicity is a sweetheart. What nerd wouldn't like her?

Right?  :)


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Jimmy T on March 09, 2014, 05:13:10 PM
Look at you go Perry! Way to go!!


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Perry on March 10, 2014, 02:59:39 AM
Look at you go Perry! Way to go!!

 :D
Don't praise me too fast, Jimmy. The last two episodes were absolutely brutal to get through (still not finished). They keep up like this and I don't think I will make it to year two.
 :-\

Ep 14 - The good. Touching on more aspects of the "Longbow Hunter" by Grell. The bad, almost everything else. I am just tired of this island story. I know that may be some of my leftover hatred from the putrid last two years of LOST, a show that started so great and spun into a nightmare with the last seasons, but whatever the reason, this island stuff is just not hitting for me. Just not good at all. Way too much spin and totally forgetting the only thing Oliver desires ... to get off the island. Its just jumped so many sharks now I keep looking for Fonz with a pair of skies.

Ep 15 - Okay, didn't see the purse snatcher being Roy Harper, that was a good one. However, I thought this show was about Green Arrow and not the FLASH. I mean the way these cops act they must be from Keystone City because I have not seen this ineptitude since the Keystone Cops.  ;D See what I did there? Three times now they have planned an assault or a sting and all three times they have lost the villain? Hell ... two of the times they let the bad guy escape through the back door? Really, you send no-one to guard the back F'n door? THE BACK DOOR?
 ::)
And then, this Jewel thief just slides open the glass door of the case and just takes the damn jewel in front of everyone? And then is able to place a neck bomb on Felicity and no-one notices that either?
 ::)
And then ... MORE ISLAND CRAP!!!
 ::)
Not even finished with the episode yet. Had to take a break. Oh boy ... getting hard to continue. Busted out about 6 episodes a day prior to these two, but this is a struggle now.

Off to try and end this. Will attempt to get through episode 15 today as well. Hopefully.

 ::)


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: EmeraldWarrior420 on March 10, 2014, 03:41:26 PM
Man, 15 episodes in, and still hating it.

I know you say me trying it again with Season 2 is similar, but if it was me and I was hating it, I would have stopped a few episodes back. When I tried it again in Season 2, I liked what I saw immediately, and kept watching.


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Perry on March 10, 2014, 05:06:05 PM
Man, 15 episodes in, and still hating it.

Not all of it. Well ... most of it  ;D, but it has its good points also.

Like I said, its rough, but there are parts I enjoy. I really like the fact they throw a lot of DC universe stuff in here. I like to find the easter eggs and all.

When I tried it again in Season 2, I liked what I saw immediately, and kept watching.

That's what I am trying to get to. Just can't stand coming into something having missed a plot point or anything. Struggling now to find the glory you speak of later.
 ;D


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Perry on March 11, 2014, 09:19:53 AM
Ep 16 - Geoff Johns solo scripted episode. Eh, typical CW stuff here, but not as logic-crushing as most episodes. More overblown emotion and third tier acting than anything but not the worst seen. I think this episode sets up Tommy finally becoming the Archer ... or is at least laying ground work for it. I like the River Song addition.  :)

Oh, and more island bullshit.

Ep 17 - Ugh. Huntress returns. Oh joy.  :-\ Not sure what is more the slap in the face; the horrible acting by this Huntress chick or the total disregard to the character herself. They totally slaughter who the Huntress is in this show. Just annihilated her. Only thing that resembles the comic character and this fraud is her name and her thoughts of her family tree. Everything else is total crap. Add in the usual "horrible cops" (can't shoot or use cover, keeping a suspect's jacket and gloves on in interrogation, etc ...) and this is, perhaps, the worst episode yet.

Oh, and more island bullshit. At least Ollie works towards trying to get off the island, but I am sure he will give that up for some reason.

Getting really worried about that new Flash show I wanted to check out ... when it hits. If it is anything like this, just no way I can handle it. I mean Barry Allen works very closely with cops and if they are like the cops shown here, that show is going to be more brutal to sit through than this.
 :o

Onto episode 18 ... five more in season one to go!!!


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Perry on March 11, 2014, 10:17:16 AM
Ep 18 - Okay. Okay now. This is what this show could be. Some good action, some hints or slight connections to the DC world and less over-drama. Don't get me wrong, this episode had some 'drama' but it was done pretty damn decent. Kudos to the two writers of this episode.

Some nice parkour work here.

And then ... the island stuff ... Eh, got a little better I suppose


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Jimmy T on March 11, 2014, 10:24:14 AM
I won't lie; the Island stuff with all the running around with Fyre and his crew and their purposes was just ..weird, convuluted, and really didn't hold together for me as well.


Huntress is...yeah, there. I don't mind her smoldering anger, but her motivations and workings were waaaay off.


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Perry on March 11, 2014, 11:06:32 AM
Huntress is...yeah, there. I don't mind her smoldering anger, but her motivations and workings were waaaay off.

Yeah, they kinda screwed that one.
 :-\

Ep 19 - Okay now, again. Back to back pretty decent episodes. The return of Count Vertigo. The Count's direction is a little over the top, but I can chalk that one up to comic-book villainy more than just overacting, so that gets a pass. I like the actor playing the Count (Liked him in Fringe but he was really good as the younger Darling on Dirty, Sexy, Money ... a far too short lived drama) so it helps that I know what he can do, so yeah, I can deal with a melodramatic Count Vertigo. Makes it silver-age comic-booky ... and that's okay at times.
 :)

The island also improved. Still not something they should spend any time with, really, as I like the not-knowing more than the pace they are choosing to show me, but again, better done here in this episode than many of the more recent shots.

Looking forward to the next installment. A feeling that I have not had for a few episodes now, so that is a good thing.


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Perry on March 12, 2014, 10:13:27 AM
Ep 20 - Hey, Deathlok!!  :D Funny how the guy playing a heartless assassin is now a heartfelt cyborg on the other side of the company aisle.  :D Decent episode, but a lot harder to watch right after the comparable Shield, when the later has gotten so much better over the last 3 weeks. Still, not a bad waste of time.

Ep 21 - Again, I love when this show (and Shield) incorporate more aspects of the comic world into the small screen. The Ted Kord fundraiser and the mention of BLÜDHAVEN takes little to no effort, yet makes it that much more fun. That aside ... and even with all the CW teen drama ... this was a pretty well done episode. I liked finally getting the back-story of the boating trip, the reason for it and the betrayal that followed. Also enjoyed the fact that the guy playing Ollie was able to finally show more emotion than the two sides he has been showing. About the best he has ever done and that helps place this in my top 5 episodes of this show.

Two more to go!!!


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Perry on March 12, 2014, 11:43:59 AM
Ep 22 - Ugh. Right when it was looking up they go and step on their @$#%. One of the worst writing/plot developments I have been witness to since watching Days of Our Lives with my mom, when I was 'couch ridden' after getting my ribs broken in a fight back in 9th grade. Sadly, watching this show is sometimes just as painful for me.

So, mere hours after telling Tommy that he has no interest in Laurel as it will never work ... could NEVER work and basically telling Tommy to go get her, Ollie goes and professes undying devotion to her? Knowing it is a total dick move? What an ass. Freaking return of the not-so-great As The World Turns from CW. I bet all the teenage girls were so happy when Ollie and Laurel started kissing. Jesus, this show just ... it's ... sometimes ...
(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent035.gif)

And then, more LOST type bullcrap on this island. Writers or producers or SHOWRUNNERS, not knowing what the hell to do so they keep running around with stupid plot points that should have happened in episode 2 or should never have happened at all. I mean, why kill what's his name after making the video when you could have done the same thing months ago? Absolutely stupid.

This show seems to have no direction what-so-ever at times, except to backtrack ideas at the most idiotic point. Guys, it's not drama when it makes no sense, it's just stupid. As soon as I feel they have a grasp on how to do a show properly, they pull the rug up from the floor, hang it as a tapestry and then try to vacuum it.
 ::)

Okay, one more to go and then onto season 2. I will not give season two anymore than 2 or 3 episodes if this kind of crap writing carries over.

I got the damn bat away from Billy Stannup (or however he spells his name), that guy that busted my ribs and I beat his ass with it ... (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, BILLY!!!!) ... I will gladly do the same to this damn show. Just take the pain they are giving me and force it right back on them.
 >:(

 ;D

One more episode.  :)


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Perry on March 13, 2014, 06:40:46 AM
Ep 23 - Ha, funny how I used (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent035.gif) in my 'review' of the last episode.
 ;D

Okay, some decent stuff in this episode.

I mean sure, besides the typical over the top CW plot devices (which the big networks also use to be fair) like having a smart girl be dumb enough to go into a known earthquake zone to recover ... some papers? Or: having a kid get ready to help a bus load of trapped people, but first stopping in the middle of the street to talk to and kiss his girlfriend and then wait for her to drive away before helping said people and then showing us how one normal guy can lift about 800 pounds of concrete and countless more typical tv stuff, this was one of the better episodes.

Gotta say, the part where Ollie climbs those chains that bind and then falls to snap the pipe in order to free himself ... that was cool as shit. No doubt about it, grade A coolness.
 8)

Also enjoyed that parts of the city did get destroyed and that they showed the chaos. Even the thought of that event would be as maddening as they tried to show. And over all the action was again pretty good.

And I also have to say I was shocked at the way the ended this episode. Didn't expect that last scene to be the last scene. Having your hero crying (or trying to cry, with his non-acting self  ;D) was really an odd way to end a "hero" based show. Kinda respect it for being unusual, but also have to say that it is not the best way to end a show. I mean, I don't need (nor usually want) a "Hollywood ending", but you can at least have the hero be in a stoic state of mind, something that this actor can pull off very well. I mean, have the cut and then have a camera swing through his house or his bar and show him sitting crouched in his chair, with elbows on the chair arms, his hands apart yet fingers touching, his head slightly down ... looking 'through' his desk while slowly zooming onto his eyes. Something like that. Not a crying boo-hoo moment. But hey, that's just me.
 ;D

But, overall, another decent episode. So even after the last one, episode 22, there have been like 3 out of 4 decent episodes. Not bad on average.

EDIT - I did forget to add that I thought they handled the Tommy character very well. I always thought he was going to end up being something different and he never did. Good job with that character.

Onto season 2 to see how good this show can get.
 :)


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Jimmy T on March 13, 2014, 07:00:54 AM
Yes, I know that the first season was all over most of the time. Yes, I know that it's CW. Yes, I know (and hate!) how it takes a season to get characters right, hold the same voice, and maintain the same motivations.

Yes, I think Laurel, above all others on the show, is the largest, weakest link.

Yes, there are plenty of moments for a stupid pill.

And mayhaps, yes, the enjoyment that I am having now colors memories of the past with that rosy glasses many of us like to wear when remembering.

I know that I am really enjoying this now (but yes, stupid/CW moments are still occurring).

But Perry, if you watch the first 3, and don't have the reaction of "you know what? This can be pretty cool to watch; I'm in!" then please, honestly, STOP. It'll be obvious that this show is not for you at all then!  :D


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Perry on March 13, 2014, 08:12:42 AM
But Perry, if you watch the first 3, and don't have the reaction of "you know what? This can be pretty cool to watch; I'm in!" then please, honestly, STOP. It'll be obvious that this show is not for you at all then!  :D

 :)
Yep, that is the plan. Give it 3 episodes. If it is the same ... or if I feel the same about it, then I am out. I will have given this show over 1000 minutes, over 18 hours, and if that isn't enough to pull me in ...  :D

I went through all of that so I can get to this point. The point of season 2, where two of you say the show is great. But make no mistake, I only went through all of that because I have a problem. I can't come in late to a show like this. I could've easily started at season 2 (or the last episode of season 1 as suggested) instead of watching an additional 22 episodes of those past, but I am an anal kinda guy. I want to know what, when and how for characters depth and motivation (of course, like you agreed, the motivation of season one was ... well ... all over the place, so that may not have helped)
 ;D

So know this, I don't blame anyone for my time spent on this. We all have our likes and dislikes, I just wanted to see if this show COULD be a like for me, and the only way I could do that was to go from the start.
 :)

I hope you know that none of my comments, no matter how harsh, are directed at anyone here. Like I stated, I am just anal as hell when it comes to tv and I find it hard to find enjoyment sometimes because, for some reason, the smallest of things will ruin a show for me. It is a fault I have. Not the people that enjoy the shows like this. You know, what I find great, you may find dismal and vice versa. But bottom line, what I am trying to say is no-one is wrong in what they find enjoyment in. Even if I can't stomach season 2, the fact that at least two Realmers enjoy it is a very good thing!!!
 :)


Title: Re: Arrow Debuts Wednesday, October 10 on CW
Post by: Jimmy T on March 13, 2014, 08:27:54 AM
:)
Yep, that is the plan. Give it 3 episodes. If it is the same ... or if I feel the same about it, then I am out. I will have given this show over 1000 minutes, over 18 hours, and if that isn't enough to pull me in ...  :D

I went through all of that so I can get to this point. The point of season 2, where two of you say the show is great. But make no mistake, I only went through all of that because I have a problem. I can't come in late to a show like this. I could've easily started at season 2 (or the last episode of season 1 as suggested) instead of watching an additional 22 episodes of those past, but I am an anal kinda guy. I want to know what, when and how for characters depth and motivation (of course, like you agreed, the motivation of season one was ... well ... all over the place, so that may not have helped)
 ;D

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Ah...OCD habits....  ;D

And I find no fault at all, nor do I feel any criticism come my way, or anything that you mentioned. If you like the show, I hope you like the show! I think it's great we can have a Green Arrow show! and there is so much more I want, too, but I'm enjoying the ride of it now!

And I certainly don't want you to continue doing anything you feel does become a waste of your time! But hey, valiant effort in the offering too!  ;)